Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[Carwin261]

One for the future, but because of his age can be in the 1st team squad without counting to the 25

He’s mainly right footed ,either cover or replacement for Benson.

[Nori1958]

Lot of money to be spending on one for the future

Not seen a price so don't know

[jedi_master]

Koleosho and Odobert (both 18) being the long term replacements for Benson and Zaroury allowing sales next summer for large money (hopefully, as that will mean they've done the business in this league) allowing further squad regeneration is exactly the type of thing we should be doing if we can afford it. It's what we did under Garlick and Dyche for a bit with our centre backs and strikers until we suddenly just stopped.

[randomclaret2]

Not seen a price so don't know

Think Ive seen €11m quoted, but as ever take with a pinch of salt

[Newcastleclaret93]

Think Ive seen €11m quoted, but as ever take with a pinch of salt

That’s what the journalist that broke the story is saying.

[dermotdermot]

I wonder if it was a case of one or the other with Odobert and Daramy?

Hopefully we can get a centre mid or two and a left back this week and that would be us done I think (although, if Weghorst is leaving I really do think we need a taller/line leading striker as an option too personally).

Weghorst IS leaving. I’m carrying his bags.

[Nori1958]

Think Ive seen €11m quoted, but as ever take with a pinch of salt

Sounds high, but who knows nowadays, probably lots of bonuses if that's correct
I also think that the real price paid is always lower than any figures quoted in the press

[northeastclaret]

Koleosho and Odobert (both 18) being the long term replacements for Benson and Zaroury allowing sales next summer for large money (hopefully, as that will mean they've done the business in this league) allowing further squad regeneration is exactly the type of thing we should be doing if we can afford it. It's what we did under Garlick and Dyche for a bit with our centre backs and strikers until we suddenly just stopped.

Adding the older Redmond and Townsend to bridge the age gap so not too reliant on the two 18 year olds too soon ?

[CoolClaret]

60-70 million dropped still without addressing any of our main issues…

Just me thinking that we’d have Tella/Hamer/Maatsen/O’Shea + for a lot less than that and be looking a lot healthier heading into the season

[Newcastleclaret93]

60-70 million dropped still without addressing any of our main issues…

Just me thinking that we’d have Tella/Hamer/Maatsen/O’Shea + for a lot less than that and be looking a lot healthier heading into the season

I do find it a little strange and I am getting a little concerned that this is now the 8th senior team winger we have on the books yet we are incredibly short in other positions.

At this point my thought process is we just have to trust that VK knows what he is doing.

[claretonthecoast1882]

60-70 million dropped still without addressing any of our main issues…

Just me thinking that we’d have Tella/Hamer/Maatsen/O’Shea + for a lot less than that and be looking a lot healthier heading into the season

Where has is been said that Tella Hamer & Maatsen can leave and what price they are available for ?

[Big Vinny K]

60-70 million dropped still without addressing any of our main issues…

Just me thinking that we’d have Tella/Hamer/Maatsen/O’Shea + for a lot less than that and be looking a lot healthier heading into the season

Kind of irrelevant when 3 of them don’t appear to be available.
We have no idea as to what their clubs are asking for these players or whether they are even actually available. Neither Chelsea or Southampton have to sell Maatsen or Tella and there’s nothing we can do about that.
VK would probably agree that they would all make us stronger - but so would lots of other players who are out of our reach or simply not available. So he moves on to try and get those that are and he seems to have done a pretty good job of that last year

[roperclaret]

I do find it a little strange and I am getting a little concerned that this is now the 8th senior team winger we have on the books yet we are incredibly short in other positions.

At this point my thought process is we just have to trust that VK knows what he is doing.

We are not ‘incredibly short’ we need a first choice LB and a quality CM.

[CoolClaret]

Where has is been said that Tella Hamer & Maatsen can leave and what price they are available for ?

I’m going off purported fees and fees that ‘we weren’t prepared to go to’ as wildly reported across numerous sources.

I think we’re being far far to clever looking for gems that we can flip for a good fee - it’s a frigging PL season and you need some players that can come in and be up to it instantly.

I feel like our targets and signings so far (bar the frees) are what a team in their 3rd+ year in the PL targets.

Feels very Watford

[CoolClaret]

I do find it a little strange and I am getting a little concerned that this is now the 8th senior team winger we have on the books yet we are incredibly short in other positions.

At this point my thought process is we just have to trust that VK knows what he is doing.

I find it hard to believe that VK solely decides the fee and who we sign - I think that’s more than just him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We are not ‘incredibly short’ we need a first choice LB and a quality CM.

We currently do not have a first team left back and we need at least 2 CMs.

So I would say we are incredibly short.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I find it hard to believe that VK solely decides the fee and who we sign - I think that’s more than just him.

Off course. When I say trust VK I mean the whole team involved in bringing players in.

I am concerned but I believe they are actively trying to address our weak areas.

I assume we are just finding it harder than we originally anticipated. I am sure in an ideal world VK would have loved a LB and CM in ahead of friday

[Conroysleftfoot]

Where has is been said that Tella Hamer & Maatsen can leave and what price they are available for ?

Totally agree. They could be asking 30 million per player for all we know.

[ksrclaret]

I’m going off purported fees and fees that ‘we weren’t prepared to go to’ as wildly reported across numerous sources.

I think we’re being far far to clever looking for gems that we can flip for a good fee - it’s a frigging PL season and you need some players that can come in and be up to it instantly.

I feel like our targets and signings so far (bar the frees) are what a team in their 3rd+ year in the PL targets.

Feels very Watford

I'm a little concerned as well at the moment, but I've every confidence we will recruit players in the LB and CM positions that genuinely improve the first 11. If we haven't done that by September, something has gone wrong and that will be the time to judge.

The business we have done so far has been a mixture though - don't pretend we've only signed gems. Beyer, O'Shea, Redmond, and Amdouni improve the starting 11 immediately. Then there are players like Trafford, Koleosho, and now Odobert that are hopefully going to improve many times over with us.

We've struck a good balance so far but there are still issues to address.

[CoolClaret]

Totally agree. They could be asking 30 million per player for all we know.

No chance, Hamer has one year left for example and are widely reported to be preparing to accept around 12 mill

Get your guys and consolidate, get fancy once established.

Leeds signed a ton of young exotic talent for big fees that are now worth f*** all. It’s a very risky strategy that I don’t think we have the luxury to mess with.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm a little concerned as well at the moment, but I've every confidence we will recruit players in the LB and CM positions that genuinely improve the first 11. If we haven't done that by September, something has gone wrong and that will be the time to judge.

The business we have done so far has been a mixture though - don't pretend we've only signed gems. Beyer, O'Shea, Redmond, and Amdouni improve the starting 11 immediately. Then there are players like Trafford, Koleosho, and now Odobert that are hopefully going to improve many times over with us.

We've struck a good balance so far but there are still issues to address.

I agree with your comments,

But Beyer isn’t an upgrade as he was here last year. O’Shea an upgrade on THB?

I am not even certain Redmond gets in our starting eleven ahead of Zaroury.

I do agree on Amdouni he looks great.

I think we have signed a lot of unknowns and it’s difficult to judge right now where the squad is at.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I’m going off purported fees and fees that ‘we weren’t prepared to go to’ as wildly reported across numerous sources.

I think we’re being far far to clever looking for gems that we can flip for a good fee - it’s a frigging PL season and you need some players that can come in and be up to it instantly.

I feel like our targets and signings so far (bar the frees) are what a team in their 3rd+ year in the PL targets.

Feels very Watford

I am fairly confident that by the time the Villa game comes round in 3 weeks time, virtually all the business will be done, I don't expect any signing to be the difference between us winning or losing to Man City. We aren't signing players in the order required either just the order in which they can be done.

[CoolClaret]

I'm a little concerned as well at the moment, but I've every confidence we will recruit players in the LB and CM positions that genuinely improve the first 11. If we haven't done that by September, something has gone wrong and that will be the time to judge.

The business we have done so far has been a mixture though - don't pretend we've only signed gems. Beyer, O'Shea, Redmond, and Amdouni improve the starting 11 immediately. Then there are players like Trafford, Koleosho, and now Odobert that are hopefully going to improve many times over with us.

We've struck a good balance so far but there are still issues to address.

Beyer 100% O’Shea perhaps or more solid depth but was a good signing.

Amdouni we simply do not know - he’s highly touted but hes still coming from a very weak league where he scored 12 goals.

I have confidence in him though and believe will be a good signing but for that fee right now? Well we will see

[Newcastleclaret93]

I am fairly confident that by the time the Villa game comes round in 3 weeks time, virtually all the business will be done, I don't expect any signing to be the difference between us winning or losing to Man City. We aren't signing players in the order required either just the order in which they can be done.

I’m pretty certain they will be in within the next 7-10 days. To give VK enough time to bed them in ahead of Villa

[bfcjg]

I expect VK and his team will be quite a few steps in front of even the most " in the know " journalists re recruitment. He is a relentless worker and very detailed. We will get what we need.

[CoolClaret]

No one is infallible…

[ksrclaret]

I agree with your comments,

But Beyer isn’t an upgrade as he was here last year. O’Shea an upgrade on THB?

I am not even certain Redmond gets in our starting eleven ahead of Zaroury.

I do agree on Amdouni he looks great.

I think we have signed a lot of unknowns and it’s difficult to judge right now where the squad is at.

To me signing Beyer was the best thing we could have done in the LCB position. No way could we have upgraded on him for the fee we paid.

I've been really impressed with O'Shea in pre season. A captain and leader at WBA, he's been defensively solid and has showcased a similar passing range Harwood-Bellis did. Can't call yet whether he is an upgrade but I'm confident in him this season. O'Shea was probably less than half the price as well.

Redmond to me will probably play the old Tella off the right wing but making outside-to-in runs and then allow Benson to play the last half hour of games (when finally fit again). Again, can't call yet whether he is an upgrade on Tella but 250+ games (only 29) at PL level suggest that was such smart business on a free transfer.

Amdouni is clearly a star and is everything we need in the number 10/ false 9 role. Pace, athleticism, great technique to link up with the other forwards, and an eye for goal.

I'm really happy with those 4 and I think they all improve us.

[ArmchairDetective]

A lot of our players thrived last season because of the team, system and coaching team they played in. Despite their talent they might not have looked half as good playing in another team. Best not labelling our new signings as 'not as good' as last season's players for me. We have no idea how well they would have performed or will perform in our team. We have a young exciting team and things can change quickly, so good luck trying to predict who will be our rising stars this season. I have no idea at this stage but I'm excited to find out.

[Newcastleclaret93]

To me signing Beyer was the best thing we could have done in the LCB position. No way could we have upgraded on him for the fee we paid.

I've been really impressed with O'Shea in pre season. A captain and leader at WBA, he's been defensively solid and has showcased a similar passing range Harwood-Bellis did. Can't call yet whether he is an upgrade but I'm confident in him this season. O'Shea was probably less than half the price as well.

Redmond to me will probably play the old Tella off the right wing but making outside-to-in runs and then allow Benson to play the last half hour of games (when finally fit again). Again, can't call yet whether he is an upgrade on Tella but 250+ games (only 29) at PL level suggest that was such smart business on a free transfer.

Amdouni is clearly a star and is everything we need in the number 10/ false 9 role. Pace, athleticism, great technique to link up with the other forwards, and an eye for goal.

I'm really happy with those 4 and I think they all improve us.

I am happy with them signings I just think at this stage it’s difficult to call them upgrades.

I think Amdouni will be an improvement in that forward role but I am also aware it’s likely going to take 3-6 months for him to get used to the pace of this league.

I said it on another post but a top Cm and LB dramatically changes the output of this team. We just need to get them through the door

[nil_desperandum]

I can't find any statistics to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that a large percentage of business in the transfer window usually occurs in the final 48 hours, and particularly the final 24 hours, because many deals rely on a sort of domino effect as one deal triggers another.
We've already done a lot of business, and I fully expect that we will land further targets before the midnight deadline.
We did a lot of good business in August last season, and I don't see why this season should be any different.
There seems to be a lot of unnecessary panic on here.

[CoolClaret]

I am happy with them signings I just think at this stage it’s difficult to call them upgrades.

I think Amdouni will be an improvement in that forward role but I am also aware it’s likely going to take 3-6 months for him to get used to the pace of this league.

I said it on another post but a top Cm and LB dramatically changes the output of this team. We just need to get them through the door

Agreed.

Amdouni again is still young and is coming from the Swiss league, I don’t think he will come in week one and thrive but could be a gem.

What we do need right now is players that can come in and contribute right away.

Beyer, Redmond and O’Shea definitely can from our signings and for what just under 20 mill all in is good business.

Like I’ve said before. I thought we’d be sitting here with a pretty much all our main needs addressed and ready to hit the league hard. It’s looking like we might take a while to get going which is always hard in the PL.

[ksrclaret]

I am happy with them signings I just think at this stage it’s difficult to call them upgrades.

I think Amdouni will be an improvement in that forward role but I am also aware it’s likely going to take 3-6 months for him to get used to the pace of this league.

I said it on another post but a top Cm and LB dramatically changes the output of this team. We just need to get them through the door

Agreed. As it stands I think our starting 11 is weaker than last season's but it will only take quality improvements at LB and CM to change that.

I also think it will take the whole team a few months to properly gel and acclimatise. Looking at our incredibly tough start (those first 5 home games! ), I'll be pleasantly surprised if we're not near the bottom at the end of October. It will require patience from all of us.

[RicardoMontalban]

Like I’ve said before. I thought we’d be sitting here with a pretty much all our main needs addressed and ready to hit the league hard. It’s looking like we might take a while to get going which is always hard in the PL.

Patience young grasshopper. I think that is a position very few teams find themselves in. The majority of the league will be active right up to the deadline I expect, and that will certainly include us. That said we’ve got a hell of a lot of business already done which stands us in good stead. There’s still some work to do but there is every indication that we’re cracking on with it.

[boatshed bill]

Agreed. As it stands I think our starting 11 is weaker than last season's but it will only take quality improvements at LB and CM to change that.

I also think it will take the whole team a few months to properly gel and acclimatise. Looking at our incredibly tough start (those first 5 home games! ), I'll be pleasantly surprised if we're not near the bottom at the end of October. It will require patience from all of us.

If we adequately replace Maatsen (who some said wasn't good enough anyhow) and can assume that Amdouni is a match for Tella then we are not weaker than last season, are we?

[Firthy]

I the ship has sailed on Tella, Maatsen, Hamer and now Lokonga.

Hopefully we can get Souza, a LB and attacking midfielder otherwise I'll think we'll struggle in midfield with what we have.

[ksrclaret]

If we adequately replace Maatsen (who some said wasn't good enough anyhow) and can assume that Amdouni is a match for Tella then we are not weaker than last season, are we?

If you read my post again, you'll see I wasn't dealing in 'ifs'. I acknowledged that the 'ifs' will change things.

[CoolClaret]

I the ship has sailed on Tella, Maatsen, Hamer and now Lokonga.

Hopefully we can get Souza, a LB and attacking midfielder otherwise I'll think we'll struggle in midfield with what we have.

Definitely sailed on Maatsen

I think a solid fee early summer got him over the line but whatever that’s done.

Hamer is definitely still available imo and Leeds are sniffing.

He’s easily PL quality

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Bit early to say the ‘ship has sailed’ on some of our targets. We have no idea what discussions are going on behind the scenes.

[boatshed bill]

If you read my post again, you'll see I wasn't dealing in 'ifs'. I acknowledged that the 'ifs' will change things.

I don't need to read it again. I wasn't arguing with you.
In my opinion we would be no weaker than last season if we can sign a left fullback.
We would strengthen if we could sign a top quality CM, so I agree with you.

[ksrclaret]

I don't need to read it again. I wasn't arguing with you.
In my opinion we would be no weaker than last season if we can sign a left fullback.
We would strengthen if we could sign a top quality CM, so I agree with you.

Apologies, it read like you were raising a disagreement with me.

Let's hope we get these final two pieces of the jigsaw pretty soon and then we can all sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Juan Tanamera]

I the ship has sailed on Tella, Maatsen, Hamer and now Lokonga.

Hopefully we can get Souza, a LB and attacking midfielder otherwise I'll think we'll struggle in midfield with what we have.

A friend who I go dog walking with took his lad to Wembley yesterday.
He bought a programme and said that on Arsenal's squad list there was no sign of Lokonga's name.
I've nothing to back this up, but read into it what you will.

[BigChaCha]

A blind man on a galloping horse can see that we have had a poor window so far overall and that VK and the recruitment team really have to pull something out of the bag in the remainder of the transfer window!...

We have one of the weakest set of strikers in the league (Can't see many of them getting more than 5 goals)...

We have one of, if not the weakest set of central midfielders in the league...

We still haven't signed a left-back...

We haven't replaced THB's leadership and organisational skills...

We have less pace and a proven goal threat than last season!

We will survive but it has been a wasted transfer window so far.

[gandhisflipflop]

So much unnecessary panic on here. We will be a good counter attacking side I think this season. While I would love another cm in and I think we need it, I can easily see midfield being bypassed a bit as we shift the ball from back to front quicker.

[boatshed bill]

Apologies, it read like you were raising a disagreement with me.

Let's hope we get these final two pieces of the jigsaw pretty soon and then we can all sit back and enjoy the ride.

No worries.
I think we'll be OK.

[CoolClaret]

So much unnecessary panic on here. We will be a good counter attacking side I think this season. While I would love another cm in and I think we need it, I can easily see midfield being bypassed a bit as we shift the ball from back to front quicker.

Worth mentioning that our main creative outlet from the back that split teams open with his passing is no longer on the team and nor is our top goal scorer from last season.

[northeastclaret]

A lot of our players thrived last season because of the team, system and coaching team they played in. Despite their talent they might not have looked half as good playing in another team. Best not labelling our new signings as 'not as good' as last season's players for me. We have no idea how well they would have performed or will perform in our team. We have a young exciting team and things can change quickly, so good luck trying to predict who will be our rising stars this season. I have no idea at this stage but I'm excited to find out.

I totally agree. The way VK improves players the same could have been achieved with different loan players.But even then Mattsen was often targeted for his defensive weaknesses by the opposition. Tella’s strengths need the right system around him etc

The catch 22 is that VK has improved the value of all those loans players to the extent that he only knows if he can get better value from other signings or loan players and do the same again.

[Hipper]

Worth mentioning that our main creative outlet from the back that split teams open with his passing is no longer on the team and nor is our top goal scorer from last season.

Muric?

[Steddyman]

A blind man on a galloping horse can see that we have had a poor window so far overall and that VK and the recruitment team really have to pull something out of the bag in the remainder of the transfer window!...

We have one of the weakest set of strikers in the league (Can't see many of them getting more than 5 goals)...

We have one of, if not the weakest set of central midfielders in the league...

We still haven't signed a left-back...

We haven't replaced THB's leadership and organisational skills...

We have less pace and a proven goal threat than last season!

We will survive but it has been a wasted transfer window so far.

Why do I have a feeling this is one of those posts that will repeatedly reshared throughout the next 12 months, and won't age well?

[boyyanno]

A blind man on a galloping horse can see that we have had a poor window so far overall and that VK and the recruitment team really have to pull something out of the bag in the remainder of the transfer window!...

We have one of the weakest set of strikers in the league (Can't see many of them getting more than 5 goals)...

We have one of, if not the weakest set of central midfielders in the league...

We still haven't signed a left-back...

We haven't replaced THB's leadership and organisational skills...

We have less pace and a proven goal threat than last season!

We will survive but it has been a wasted transfer window so far.

Oooof. I think that's very very harsh.

Obviously without at least 1 LB and 1 CM then the window will have been a waste, but aside from those two positions I think we have had a good window so far personally. I'm not sure what people were expecting if this is considered a "wasted" transfer window.

[brexit]

No one is infallible…

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