England v Spain - World cup final

[TheFamilyCat]

i did, but tried but you have ignored it like the usual snowflake.

I must have missed the bit when you said what purpose it wasn't fit for. Resorting to meaningless insults like snowflake shows that you're probably struggling.

Based on this exchange I can only assume you are rarely successful in court.

[Darnhill Claret]

So some people are saying that they want women footballers trashed in the media and social media. That would serve what purpose exactly?

How would that make women's tootball a better product? When I watch football that doesn't involve Burnley I see all types of skill levels within a game, no matter what the level. Schoolboy, non-league, EFL, EPL and international football. If you think that only top level football is any good, how can you spot potential?

[Willy]

Definitely not one of our best performances today and despite an improved 2nd half,Spain were technically better and defended robustly.
Whenever,I've watched the women's national team,I've always enjoyed the football being played and been impressed with the skill levels,organisation and understanding of the game.

[Steve1956]

Based on this exchange I can only assume you are rarely successful in court.

[claptrappers_union]

Which bits of the media directly compare women’s football to the men’s game? Can you provide examples?

Only this morning I heard 5Live say - “Let's hope the women can do what the men haven't been able to do since 1966”

Then there's that player who ‘broke Wayne Rooneys England goalscoring record’ a couple of years ago.

[Quicknick]

I couldn't give a damn about this match.

[Bosscat]

I must have missed the bit when you said what purpose it wasn't fit for. Resorting to meaningless insults like snowflake shows that you're probably struggling.

Based on this exchange I can only assume you are rarely successful in court.

[HahaYeah]

I couldn't give a damn about this match.

Why keep coming on the thread then?

[equinox]

I must have missed the bit when you said what purpose it wasn't fit for. Resorting to meaningless insults like snowflake shows that you're probably struggling.

Based on this exchange I can only assume you are rarely successful in court.

Proper cat fight.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Unfortunately, I think today was our best chance of winning another world cup, either for the men or women. The Spanish were far better than us and deserved to win. Technically we are still behind the top nations in the world.

[davideyresleftear]

I couldn't give a damn about this match.

It gets really exhausting really quickly if you pop into threads/topics you don’t care about just to tell people you’re not interested, Nick. Trust me on this.

Most people adopt a strategy where they only spend time commenting on things they DO care about. I find it to be a handy tip. It’s how I managed to shorten my trip to the shops from 5 hours to just 30 mins. I used to go into every shop and publicly declare that I wasn’t interested in their products and wouldn’t be shopping there. Now? Well, let’s just say my partner no longer thinks I’m having an affair since buying milk doesn’t take me three hours anymore.

[equinox]

Unfortunately, I think today was our best chance of winning another world cup, either for the men or women. The Spanish were far better than us and deserved to win. Technically we are still behind the top nations in the world.

England are a better team than Spain, Weigman got it wrong today though, she's been a superb manager but today, of all days, she got it wrong.

[Croydon Claret]

Based on this exchange I can only assume you are rarely successful in court.

My Cousin Pushpinpussy

[agreenwood]

Only this morning I heard 5Live say - “Let's hope the women can do what the men haven't been able to do since 1966”

Then there's that player who ‘broke Wayne Rooneys England goalscoring record’ a couple of years ago.

So which bit of that tells you that the particular pundit/reporter thinks women’s football is as good as men’s football?

If a female wins Wimbledon next summer and the commentator declares that the player is the “first Brit since Andy Murray to win Wimbledon”, would you think that the commentator was actually saying that the female player was as good as Andy Murray?

Do you think Wayne Rooney minds that someone said a female player had scored more goals than him at international level? Do you think he believes the commentator is genuinely claiming the standards are close?

[kentonclaret]

Which bits of the media directly compare women’s football to the men’s game? Can you provide examples?

“No England team has reached a senior World Cup Final since Bobby Moore’s team beat West Germany in 1966, and the Lionesses are the first to do it on foreign soil”

Evening Standard Friday 18 August 2023.

Constant comparisons are made to the men’s game because the women’s game has no direct point of historical reference.

[aggi]

Seems appropriate for some on here

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1 ... 7940215049

[BabylonClaret]

The fact that it's the usual people crying like babies over something that upsets their own narrow view of the world bleating about agendas and suchlike shows you all you need to know. Nobody forces anyone to watch women's football - there's no need to keep bleating about how shite it is and how it's not for you. We heard you the first time.

I cannot understand why people get so agitated by it to a point where they come over as narrow minded bigoted dickheads and then spend a further amount of time complaining that everyone else is a woke snowflake for saying they actually didn't dislike something.

The only outrage and offence being displayed is by those saying how shite women's football is.

[AmbleClaret]

Why keep coming on the thread then?

He has to think he needs to remain relevant by being so 'controversial'.Limited brain capacity syndrome.

[HahaYeah]

"Being outside the kitchen is offside"

[kentonclaret]

So which bit of that tells you that the particular pundit/reporter thinks women’s football is as good as men’s football?

What you actually asked was what sections of the media have spoken of the women’s game in a direct comparison. to men’s football. You didn’t ask whether the media considers women’s football to be as good as men’s.
Any tennis commentators worth their salt should be comparing the next British ladies winner to the previous one not to Andy Murray.

[BabylonClaret]

“No England team has reached a senior World Cup Final since Bobby Moore’s team beat West Germany in 1966, and the Lionesses are the first to do it on foreign soil”

Evening Standard Friday 18 August 2023.

Constant comparisons are made to the men’s game because the women’s game has no direct point of historical reference.

That's not a comparison at all. A comparison would be to say this women's team is better than the me s team last year.

It's a fact - no senior international England team has reached a world cup final since 1966

[brexit]

Funny thing about the match, it reminded me of last Fridays match. England were in a 3-5-2 formation, which didn't work for the past 3 matches. It did against a poor Chinese team. We seemed to have no control in midfield, and the wing backs didn't defend well in this formation or get forward. Much better when the team went 4-2-4 but too many poor decisions.
I only mention this because we seemed to be playing 3-5-2 against city and I don't think it worked, I can't remember a cross into the box from Roberts or vitiniho. I don't think we have the players to play this formation. Furthermore, I think 4 at the back with Taylor and Roberts maybe a better plan.

[kentonclaret]

It's a fact - no senior international England team has reached a world cup final since 1966

It’s a fact. No Senior International England men’s team has reached a World Cup Final and lost.

[dermotdermot]

I must admit to finding the behaviour of some of these gals a little unladylike. Middle fingers, expletives and the way the goalkeeper reacted on saving a penalty. Ugh! Quite put me off my Sunday roast.

[Darnhill Claret]

Thought Harry Kane had broken Rooney's International goal scoring record.

[Spiral]

I must admit to finding the behaviour of some of these gals a little unladylike. Middle fingers, expletives and the way the goalkeeper reacted on saving a penalty. Ugh! Quite put me off my Sunday roast.

This criticism of women footballers (or women in general) doing things that are supposedly 'unladylike' is repulsive to the ears of anyone under the age of about 40 years old. I don't know why people feel the need to announce that. Criticise the behaviour on the merits of conduct if you must, much in the same way you'd criticise it of a male footballer, but to describe it as 'unladylike' is just plain sexism. I'd love to see the day where we can have threads on here about the national team without that kind of nonsense.

Earps' reaction to the save was brilliant. There's some proper Joe Hart energy to her. You've gotta love a GK who looks like they do a gram before going on the pitch. And she can shithouse as well as any bloke. Same with Scott at the euros. If I ever have a daughter I hope she grows up to be like them, honestly.

[AfloatinClaret]

...In all other matches I have seen the girls don’t cheat by time wasting and wantin opponents booked...

Different views: I've been thinking throughout the whole tournament and most especially since it entered the knockout stage, how much more cynical the women's game had become compared to the European Tournament, with lots of dives, feigned injuries and time wasting; the England team being no exceptions.
I'm sure the whole England team are very disappointed by today's result and for a few of the players by their own performance, but they need to look on the bright side:
How wracked-off will those Spanish girls who refused to play because the coaching staff were incompetent be feeling this afternoon?

[DCWat]

This criticism of women footballers (or women in general) doing things that are supposedly 'unladylike' is repulsive to the ears of anyone under the age of about 40 years old. I don't know why people feel the need to announce that. Criticise the behaviour on the merits of conduct if you must, much in the same way you'd criticise it of a male footballer, but to describe it as 'unladylike' is just plain sexism. I'd love to see the day where we can have threads on here about the national team without that kind of nonsense.

Earps' reaction to the save was brilliant. There's some proper Joe Hart energy to her. You've gotta love a GK who looks like they do a gram before going on the pitch. And she can shithouse as well as any bloke. Same with Scott at the euros. If I ever have a daughter I hope she grows up to be like them, honestly.

Why the hell is her bellowing **** off, **** you etc. etc. a brilliant reaction? I wouldn’t want to see it from a son or daughter playing football or any other sport for that matter.

There are plenty ways to show passion and desire without the need for that.

[Pickles]

Why the hell is her bellowing **** off, **** you etc. etc. a brilliant reaction? I wouldn’t want to see it from a son or daughter playing football or any other sport for that matter.

There are plenty ways to show passion and desire without the need for that.

What should she have said? "Hurrah, I am immensely pleased I succeeded in the saving of the penalty! Begone, you pesky Spaniard!"?

[DCWat]

What should she have said? "Hurrah, I am immensely pleased I succeeded in saving in the penalty! Begone, you pesky Spaniard!"?

If that’s your only alternative to showing passion, without aggressively swearing and shouting at the opposition, fair enough.

I’d have been quite happy with a “get the **** in, come on”, I didn’t think that the confrontational approach was needed - it was a bit odd.

[Pickles]

Right. Couldn't your example of something suitable also be aggressively swearing? Odd. But it's opinions isn't it. I've got absolutely no issue with someone being what you think is confrontational in a World Cup Final. Sport is competitive, it has an edge. Maybe she should've said "hard luck chum!"

[Spiral]

What the fk is the point of a swear word if you're never gonna use it? Never once heard in real life or read a comment on here where someone criticises a male footballer for swearing on the field. Even as a bloke I can't begin to tell you how much I detest this double standard.

[boatshed bill]

Anyone still keen on Viegman as men's manager when Southgate leaves?

[Rick_Muller]

Anyone still keen on Viegman as men's manager when Southgate leaves?

I’d love it to be honest

[boatshed bill]

I’d love it to be honest

I think some pundits have gone a bit over the top with this.

[dermotdermot]

Why the hell is her bellowing **** off, **** you etc. etc. a brilliant reaction? I wouldn’t want to see it from a son or daughter playing football or any other sport for that matter.

There are plenty ways to show passion and desire without the need for that.

I'm glad that someone agrees with me. Spiral would obviously like a son or daughter to act in a similar way. I wouldn't. Nothing at all 'sexist' in it. You could refer to male footballers being ' ungentlemanly' in the same way as female footballers being 'unladylike'.

You could think back to perhaps the 1970 World Cup when Gordon Banks made a terrific save from Pele. He didn't feel the need to scream at the Brazilians to f..k off and act like an animal. No, he just accepted the congratulations from both sides. There was also no need for players to get themselves so hyped up before or during a game. Brazil just coasted to a marvelous win in the final against Italy playing football of a calibre that you rarely see today. The same in another encounter between the two in the 1982 finals when Italy took revenge by beating Brazil in what a commentating Bobby Charlton referred to as the best game he had ever seen.

No, there is nothing to be proud of in players acting in this way.

[Spiral]

So are we all just gonna sit here and pretend Ashley Barnes isn't (rightly) celebrated as a Burnley legend in large part due to his personality? Because I have some news: Barnes was never the most talented or prolific player in any Burnley squad he was a part of; he's loved anyway because he plays exactly like we all would. He pushed the Blackburn keeper in the net and everyone was like, give that man a statue. It's telling that people appeal to sportsmanship as an ideal only when it suits, and in the case of this conversation, this position you're defending, it suits to hold Earps and women more generally to this nostalgic standard (let's conveniently ignore all the leg snapping tackles of previous eras) in service of some sexist obligation placed on women to be, in quotation marks, "ladylike", despite her basically doing something similar to that which we would all, without one single objection, love, worship and esteem Ash for doing. How can you and anyone else not see the double standard here? The next step in the development of this falsely stated argument is to claim that Ashley Barnes is actually unsportsmanlike, and that you would not want your son or daughter to model their behaviour on his on-field behaviour, but we all know this is a bare-faced lie, an argument that anyone would only falsely and insincerely make from a position of defending what they've already said on here.

[aggi]

I'm glad that someone agrees with me. Spiral would obviously like a son or daughter to act in a similar way. I wouldn't. Nothing at all 'sexist' in it. You could refer to male footballers being ' ungentlemanly' in the same way as female footballers being 'unladylike'.

You could think back to perhaps the 1970 World Cup when Gordon Banks made a terrific save from Pele. He didn't feel the need to scream at the Brazilians to f..k off and act like an animal. No, he just accepted the congratulations from both sides. There was also no need for players to get themselves so hyped up before or during a game. Brazil just coasted to a marvelous win in the final against Italy playing football of a calibre that you rarely see today. The same in another encounter between the two in the 1982 finals when Italy took revenge by beating Brazil in what a commentating Bobby Charlton referred to as the best game he had ever seen.

No, there is nothing to be proud of in players acting in this way.

A good effort at trying to climb back out of the hole you dug. What I found really bizarre though given your comments is that when searching for "ungentlemanly" I don't find a load of comments from you about male players.

I mean, the only thing I can conclude from that is all male players must be perfectly behaved. Definitely can't be any other reason.

[Middle-agedClaret]

So are we all just gonna sit here and pretend Ashley Barnes isn't (rightly) celebrated as a Burnley legend in large part due to his personality? Because I have some news: Barnes was never the most talented or prolific player in any Burnley squad he was a part of; he's loved anyway because he plays exactly like we all would. He pushed the Blackburn keeper in the net and everyone was like, give that man a statue. It's telling that people appeal to sportsmanship as an ideal only when it suits, and in the case of this conversation, this position you're defending, it suits to hold Earps and women more generally to this nostalgic standard (let's conveniently ignore all the leg snapping tackles of previous eras) in service of some sexist obligation placed on women to be, in quotation marks, "ladylike", despite her basically doing something similar to that which we would all, without one single objection, love, worship and esteem Ash for doing. How can you and anyone else not see the double standard here? The next step in the development of this falsely stated argument is to claim that Ashley Barnes is actually unsportsmanlike, and that you would not want your son or daughter to model their behaviour on his on-field behaviour, but we all know this is a bare-faced lie, an argument that anyone would only falsely and insincerely make from a position of defending what they've already said on here.

FWIW, like, I never thought anyone should give Ashley a statue. Like.
UTC.

[boatshed bill]

So are we all just gonna sit here and pretend Ashley Barnes isn't (rightly) celebrated as a Burnley legend in large part due to his personality? Because I have some news: Barnes was never the most talented or prolific player in any Burnley squad he was a part of; he's loved anyway because he plays exactly like we all would. He pushed the Blackburn keeper in the net and everyone was like, give that man a statue. It's telling that people appeal to sportsmanship as an ideal only when it suits, and in the case of this conversation, this position you're defending, it suits to hold Earps and women more generally to this nostalgic standard (let's conveniently ignore all the leg snapping tackles of previous eras) in service of some sexist obligation placed on women to be, in quotation marks, "ladylike", despite her basically doing something similar to that which we would all, without one single objection, love, worship and esteem Ash for doing. How can you and anyone else not see the double standard here? The next step in the development of this falsely stated argument is to claim that Ashley Barnes is actually unsportsmanlike, and that you would not want your son or daughter to model their behaviour on his on-field behaviour, but we all know this is a bare-faced lie, an argument that anyone would only falsely and insincerely make from a position of defending what they've already said on here.

What makes you feel you have the right to speak on behalf of "everyone", like?

[Jakubclaret]

Why the hell is her bellowing **** off, **** you etc. etc. a brilliant reaction? I wouldn’t want to see it from a son or daughter playing football or any other sport for that matter.

There are plenty ways to show passion and desire without the need for that.

It's a very strange concept & quite inconsistent thought processes I think when it becomes perfectly acceptable & excusable for a woman to be foul mouthed in the passion of the game, but when some spectators are criticised for booing for what they consider to be an inappropriate racist gesture some accuse them of being racist idiots & the very same people haven't even mouthed off any expletives. It's amazing what can be acceptable when it isn't & what isn't unacceptable when it should be.

[CoolClaret]

This thread is hilarious.

Said it before but I think for women’s footy to be better as a spectacle the pitch/nets should be smaller and it shouldn’t run on as long.

I think that’s what stops the spectacle being as good because the obvious physical differences become more apparent - especially as they fatigue.

It’s getting better for sure - still not sure how I feel about the overt promotion of the game to a scale that I don’t think it deserves; plenty of other women sports with unbelievable athletes that receives nowhere near the same promotion

Hard to judge any team either till they get to the sort of last 16 - some absolutely torrid teams playing in that tournament.

[CoolClaret]

What makes you feel you have the right to speak on behalf of "everyone", like?

Not to mention that Barnes was/is a lot more a skilful than some give credit for.

His chesting ability is up there with anyone, Spiral is making him out to be Matt Rhead or some alehouse brawler

[Spiral]

There's a lot of sad $hit written on this thread but I think the sentence "I follow a pub team in Accy" might be the single saddest sentence I've ever read in my life. I think if those lads from the pub team in Accy gave a pass on a pie or two and perhaps drank water instead of RealAle™ it'd improve the Spectacle™, but here we are, with miserable old shits watching literal pub football while complaining about the quality of the women's game as though it's that which affronts them, the quality of the game, and not the fact that their insecurity is being pricked by the fact that legitimately successful and talented women aren't running after them like servile maids, slaving away in a kitchen making a roast dinner for some piteous trog with a beer belly and a tiny cock.

[Jakubclaret]

There's a lot of sad $hit written on this thread but I think the sentence "I follow a pub team in Accy" might be the single saddest sentence I've ever read in my life. I think if those lads from the pub team in Accy gave a pass on a pie or two and perhaps drank water instead of RealAle™ it'd improve the Spectacle™, but here we are, with miserable old shits watching literal pub football while complaining about the quality of the women's game as though it's that which affronts them, the quality of the game, and not the fact that their insecurity is being pricked by the fact that legitimately successful and talented women aren't running after them like servile maids, slaving away in a kitchen making a roast dinner for some piteous trog with a beer belly and a tiny cock.

Or simply some people with sinister agenda's could be making a big deal from some blokes harmlessly remarking that they aren't interested in women's football because they consider it to be sh1t, if people didn't explain the reasoning it'd be open to them just being plain sexist but when legitimate valid reasoning is offered it's something else that the person that dared to offer that said opinion is substandard in satisfying a woman because of an ingrained caveman ideology.

[Spiral]

It’s getting better for sure - still not sure how I feel about the overt promotion of the game to a scale that I don’t think it deserves; plenty of other women sports with unbelievable athletes that receives nowhere near the same promotion

It's because footy is better than all other sports. People might have their own individual preferences - someone might prefer rugby over footy, or cricket over footy, or fencing, or judo, or rowing, or cycling, or dressage, or darts, or boxing, or heptathlon, or F1, or swimming, but in this country no other sport engages people emotionally on such a scale as football, and it's for this reason that it gets more coverage than other sports both in the men's game and the women's game, in spite of the relative athletic or skill 'level' it's played at compared with other sports.

[Spiral]

Or simply some people with sinister agenda's could be making a big deal from some blokes harmlessly remarking that they aren't interested in women's football because they consider it to be sh1t, if people didn't explain the reasoning it'd be open to them just being plain sexist but when legitimate valid reasoning is offered it's something else that the person that dared to offer that said opinion is substandard in satisfying a woman because of an ingrained caveman ideology.

Nah, my explanation is still better than your gibberish. Nobody feels the need to declare how much they dislike other sports - they just leave its fans to it to enjoy in peace. It's only with women's football that we see miserable, bitter, sexless, insecure blokes making pains to announce at every opportunity how much they dislike it, and the surety with which they voice that view suggests a deeper prejudice. It's the pattern of the behaviour that betrays sexism.

[Jakubclaret]

Nah, my explanation is still better than your gibberish. Nobody feels the need to declare how much they dislike other sports - they just leave its fans to it to enjoy in peace. It's only with women's football that we see miserable, bitter, sexless, insecure blokes making pains to announce at every opportunity how much they dislike it, and the surety with which they voice that view suggests a deeper prejudice. It's the pattern of the behaviour that betrays sexism.

Well clearly that isn't the case going off this thread & others, I remember about a month ago a poster on here maintained the same stance you are maintaining here regarding other posters just showing disdain for women's football, as it transpired another poster who didn't like motor racing had commented also on that particular thread, so people are showing & commenting dislike for other sports It's happened on snooker threads, it's not just womens football the evidence is factually suggesting otherwise despite your ilk beating that same drum. It's only because the recent success of women's football has shone the spotlight & increased the exposure. You seem to be searching for things that don't exist & trying to find things which aren't there

[Vegas Claret]

some sad news: Spain's match-winner Olga Carmona found out father had died after game
https://news.sky.com/story/womens-world ... e-12944295

[Spiral]

Well clearly that isn't the case going off this thread & others, I remember about a month ago a poster on here maintained the same stance you are maintaining here regarding other posters just showing disdain for women's football, as it transpired another poster who didn't like motor racing had commented also on that particular thread, so people are showing & commenting dislike for other sports It's happened on snooker threads, it's not just womens football the evidence is factually suggesting otherwise despite your ilk beating that same drum. It's only because the recent success of women's football has shone the spotlight & increased the exposure. You seem to be searching for things that don't exist & trying to find things which aren't there

Aye, sure pal, snooker threads get to five pages on here, and they're posted regularly, and it's just everyone chiming in about how $hite they think snooker is. You carry on believing that your one or two little exceptions plucked from your arse - oblivious, I might theorise, to the possibility that such comments are a provocation made in response to the typical course of a women's football thread - are patterns of behaviour comparable to what we see on women's football threads. You keep believing that, good for you pal. A story as old as time: the eternal search for a higher justification for being a dick.