Nottingham Forest v Burnley - Player Ratings

[quoonbeatz]

Haha love comments like this.

Expert football analysts like Quoonbeatz who believes a premier league winning player is incorrect and Trafford is not better than Muric.

I genuinely don’t even know why people are so hung about Muric. Ekdal was in our championship team yet O’Shea has walked in ahead of him and no one bats an eye lid.

Why don’t you just trust the managers judgement?

Man is so lacking in comprehension skills he's completely invented what I believe.

[ClaretTony]

So a guy going off BBC text and a guy who watched half a game criticising the markings of several people who watched the full game.

Peak UTC.

And a guy completely misreading a post and making a stupid comment

[Quarry claret]

Well I was there, and was NOT a big fan of Muric at the start. I also watched the whole of England's U19s tournament and was excited and pleased to sign Trafford, but last night I saw a phenomenon in that Murics presence was culpable he did seem to project an aura of calm on the team. I actually said to my son, that he should come into contention and should play Saturday. Nothing against Trafford but after that display, Trafford will now be under MORE pressure. This was also NOT Forests reserve side, there were plenty in the side. Burnley played well I enjoyed it. We suffered badly due to the amount of injuries, but continued unabashed. Brennan Johnson's and Gibbs- White intro sparked them into life,but not as much as Foster and Amdouni's intro did.
Murics handling positional play and distribution earned him his mark, and Newcastle Claret and others have the bias against Muric, for disgracefully slating people who were there.
I also felt Brownhill had a good game and should play Saturday. Gudmundsson I would mark higher, and Redmond not so, he lost possession too often. Not faulting anyone else we played well and WON using 6 yes SIX subs, don't for goodness sake tell Sean Dyche !!
I did think on the way home that I hoped one was for concussion and that this morning I'd wake up, somebody had noticed and we weren't going to Salford. LOL.

[Quarry claret]

Well I was there, and was NOT a big fan of Muric at the start. I also watched the whole of England's U19s tournament and was excited and pleased to sign Trafford, but last night I saw a phenomenon in that Murics presence was culpable he did seem to project an aura of calm on the team. I actually said to my son, that he should come into contention and should play Saturday. Nothing against Trafford but after that display, Trafford will now be under MORE pressure. This was also NOT Forests reserve side, there were plenty in the side. Burnley played well I enjoyed it. We suffered badly due to the amount of injuries, but continued unabashed. Brennan Johnson's and Gibbs- White intro sparked them into life,but not as much as Foster and Amdouni's intro did.
Murics handling positional play and distribution earned him his mark, and Newcastle Claret and others have the bias against Muric, for disgracefully slating people who were there.
I also felt Brownhill had a good game and should play Saturday. Gudmundsson I would mark higher, and Redmond not so, he lost possession too often. Not faulting anyone else we played well and WON using 6 yes SIX subs, don't for goodness sake tell Sean Dyche !!
I did think on the way home that I hoped one was for concussion and that this morning I'd wake up, somebody had noticed and we weren't going to Salford. LOL.

[boyyanno]

And a guy completely misreading a post and making a stupid comment

How did he misread it and how is the comment stupid?

You only saw half a game didn't you? And the other guy didn't see any of it? And you both disagreed that Muric should have been rated a 9?

Seems like the comment is bang on the nose and as the person who runs this site you shouldn't be saying comments are stupid because you're embarrassed that you only saw half a game.

[ClaretTony]

How did he misread it and how is the comment stupid?

You only saw half a game didn't you? And the other guy didn't see any of it? And you both disagreed that Muric should have been rated a 9?

Seems like the comment is bang on the nose and as the person who runs this site you shouldn't be saying comments are stupid because you're embarrassed that you only saw half a game.

Another who has misread my comment with a ludicrous comment added about being embarrassed.

[boyyanno]

Another who has misread my comment with a ludicrous comment added about being embarrassed.

So you think Muric was a 9 then?

Seems you're struggling to explain how the comments have been misread

[ClaretTony]

So you think Muric was a 9 then?

Seems you're struggling to explain how the comments have been misread

Not struggling to explain anything and wouldn't even bother anyway given your offensive comment. I have an opinion, I've given it, there was me thinking that this was why we had this message board.

[Big Vinny K]

I think Muric’s ping is almost comparable to Edersons. Are we in the market for a player like Ederson though? That’s kinda my point, the next up is sort of best in world football

My honest guess:

I think Aro has a very relaxed attitude and demeanour which could give off the impression that he’s too relaxed and maybe rub someone who’s completely and utterly obsessed with the game (VK) the wrong way at times.

Some guys just turn it on, on match day.

I’m not into this sort of argument from authority about any and every possible debate re football - Gary Neville won countless silverware, captained his club and was an absolute mess as a manager (not suggesting that VK is before anyone uses that to flame me).

People can be wrong or stubborn or both! I’m wrong a lot…as is everyone!

I’m not saying VK or anybody else can’t be wrong. Obviously they can and are.

I’m just struggling to work out why people are calling for Muric after a couple of games when Trafford seems to have done little wrong. Muric was far shakier in the first 7 or 8 games of last season than Trafford has been so far and most sensible people agreed that Muric should be given time (as should all of our new players or existing players working in new systems etc)

As said above by Bordeaux let’s accept and hope we have 2 quality keepers and that strong competition between them will improve both of them and benefit the team.

[boyyanno]

Not struggling to explain anything and wouldn't even bother anyway given your offensive comment. I have an opinion, I've given it, there was me thinking that this was why we had this message board.

Strange that you find it acceptable calling another posters comments stupid but you don't like it yourself?

It's pretty clear that you won't explain because you can't. Your comments have been correctly interpreted as not agreeing that Muric was a 9. That's absolutely fine, but it's also fair to say that after only seeing half a game you're opinion isn't very valid. You didn't like that so attacked the poster.

Now you're trying to take the high ground. Pretty pathetic really when it's there in black and white.

[Swizzlestick]

I’m not saying VK or anybody else can’t be wrong. Obviously they can and are.

I’m just struggling to work out why people are calling for Muric after a couple of games when Trafford seems to have done little wrong. Muric was far shakier in the first 7 or 8 games of last season than Trafford has been so far and most sensible people agreed that Muric should be given time (as should all of our new players or existing players working in new systems etc)

As said above by Bordeaux let’s accept and hope we have 2 quality keepers and that strong competition between them will improve both of them and benefit the team.

I'm not sure he was far shakier. Trafford has looked nervy to me and I don't think his distribution is on a par with Muric (yet, anyway) - seems more hesitant and doesn't ping it as quickly as AM can. I wasn't there last night so can't comment on how AM did, but I do think he's very unlucky to lose his place, and I'd be surprised if the support he had last night wasn't just that, rather than any particular slight on Trafford.

[CoolClaret]

I’m not saying VK or anybody else can’t be wrong. Obviously they can and are.

I’m just struggling to work out why people are calling for Muric after a couple of games when Trafford seems to have done little wrong. Muric was far shakier in the first 7 or 8 games of last season than Trafford has been so far and most sensible people agreed that Muric should be given time (as should all of our new players or existing players working in new systems etc)

As said above by Bordeaux let’s accept and hope we have 2 quality keepers and that strong competition between them will improve both of them and benefit the team.

I don’t particularly hold the view that Muric was that shaky in all honesty.

For example you may point to struggles with his early season distribution but I think that is marred by the Blackpool game at home when Cullen dropped in after our centre halves split wide and he took a poor touch and got the ball nabbed off him. That’s a ball that teams do to beat the press and I don’t think it was on Muric.

Using the same logic, what has Muric done wrong to be dropped?

I agree - competition is good and it’s perhaps the rocket up the arse Aro might need to reach his full potential.

Just think starting 19yr old Trafford in a new team against City then Villa after never playing higher than League One is a bit daft, especially when Aro done nothing to lose the shirt.

[Big Vinny K]

I'm not sure he was far shakier. Trafford has looked nervy to me and I don't think his distribution is on a par with Muric (yet, anyway) - seems more hesitant and doesn't ping it as quickly as AM can. I wasn't there last night so can't comment on how AM did, but I do think he's very unlucky to lose his place, and I'd be surprised if the support he had last night wasn't just that, rather than any particular slight on Trafford.

I agree he was definitely unlucky to lose his place. Other than the first few games he was great for us last season.

[RVclaret]

I don’t particularly hold the view that Muric was that shaky in all honesty.

For example you may point to struggles with his early season distribution but I think that is marred by the Blackpool game at home when Cullen dropped in after our centre halves split wide and he took a poor touch and got the ball nabbed off him. That’s a ball that teams do to beat the press and I don’t think it was on Muric.

Using the same logic, what has Muric done wrong to be dropped?

I agree - competition is good and it’s perhaps the rocket up the arse Aro might need to reach his full potential.

Just think starting 19yr old Trafford in a new team against City then Villa after never playing higher than League One is a bit daft, especially when Aro done nothing to lose the shirt.

Trafford is 20 almost 21.

[CoolClaret]

Trafford is 20 almost 21.

That he is.

The rest still stands like.

[ClaretTony]

Strange that you find it acceptable calling another posters comments stupid but you don't like it yourself?

It's pretty clear that you won't explain because you can't. Your comments have been correctly interpreted as not agreeing that Muric was a 9. That's absolutely fine, but it's also fair to say that after only seeing half a game you're opinion isn't very valid. You didn't like that so attacked the poster.

Now you're trying to take the high ground. Pretty pathetic really when it's there in black and white.

I give up - I have an opinion, it doesn't match yours so ,you start insulting people - not sure why I would be embarrassed to be stuck in traffic, and there's no black and white. If you bothered to read my comment, based on what I saw, you might think differently. Then again, probably not, wouldn't suit your agenda.

[boyyanno]

I give up - I have an opinion, it doesn't match yours so ,you start insulting people - not sure why I would be embarrassed to be stuck in traffic, and there's no black and white. If you bothered to read my comment, based on what I saw, you might think differently. Then again, probably not, wouldn't suit your agenda.

Nope I'm not letting you off so easy.

You attacked the poster for saying your opinion isn't valid because you didn't see half the game. I'm sure you'd agree that's fair.

Yet you said he misread your posts and called his comment stupid?

Can you explain why its one rule for you and one for everyone else?

[ClaretTony]

Nope I'm not letting you off so easy.

You attacked the poster for saying your opinion isn't valid because you didn't see half the game. I'm sure you'd agree that's fair.

Yet you said he misread your posts and called his comment stupid?

Can you explain why its one rule for you and one for everyone else?

If I posted what I really wanted to post in reply to your nonsense then I'd have to ban myself. I'm not going to do that so

[JohnMcGreal]

I wasn't there last night so can't comment on how AM did

Don't let that stop you, it isn't stopping other people.

[boyyanno]

MOD: Offensive post removed and poster warned

[claretonthecoast1882]

If I posted what I really wanted to post in reply to your nonsense then I'd have to ban myself. I'm not going to do that so

Go on

[FCBurnley]

I think for anyone giving him a nine he must have turned in one of the greatest goalkeeping performances ever in the first half. What I saw in the second were him giving the ball away at least twice with poor balls out and twice dropping the ball but recovering it. I just sensed it was all a bit anti-Trafford in the away end last night. Based on the second half, I'd have given him a six or possibly seven.

I was not at the game and could not watch on tv. So my question is How good or bad was Muric distribution and control of his penalty area as this is where I think Trafford needs to improve. ?

[boyyanno]

MOD: Post reported and removed - warning issued

[WellingboroughClaret]

I genuinely think Muric was the difference between the two teams last night. His calmness under pressure means ha can take and deliver passes with precision enabling him to act like a 12th player. In the first half he delivered one outrageous pass right into JBL’s path creating a clear chance (which I reckon Tella would have buried). As you’ll have witnessed in the second half CT, Forest also tried to play out from the back several times but Turner is no Muric and as a result they gave away three corners and a chance. For these reasons I think a 9 is not OTT. I’m not anti Trafford at all, but I’d say at this point Muric offers us more in games like this. Perhaps VK plans to use him when he thinks we will be on the front foot and Trafford when we need to be more defensive.

[ClaretTony]

I genuinely think Muric was the difference between the two teams last night. His calmness under pressure means ha can take and deliver passes with precision enabling him to act like a 12th player. In the first half he delivered one outrageous pass right into JBL’s path creating a clear chance (which I reckon Tella would have buried). As you’ll have witnessed in the second half CT, Forest also tried to play out from the back several times but Turner is no Muric and as a result they gave away three corners and a chance. For these reasons I think a 9 is not OTT. I’m not anti Trafford at all, but I’d say at this point Muric offers us more in games like this. Perhaps VK plans to use him when he thinks we will be on the front foot and Trafford when we need to be more defensive.

Turner made an arse of it more than once in the second half. But we all saw us get it wrong twice in that second half because of the goalkeeper's distribution too which seems to have passed unnoticed.

[FCBurnley]

Turner made an arse of it more than once in the second half. But we all saw us get it wrong twice in that second half because of the goalkeeper's distribution too which seems to have passed unnoticed.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Muric getting criticised for dropping a ball when he was fouled is up there with Lee Grant getting criticised for not saving a shot that went wide.

[ClaretTony]

Muric getting criticised for dropping a ball when he was fouled is up there with Lee Grant getting criticised for not saving a shot that went wide.

That was IanMcL - was thinking about Grant today. He wasn't in the class of the goalkeepers we've had since but he got a bad press from Burnley fans because he wasn't Jensen.

If Muric was fouled on the two incidents last night, and I can't say whether he was or wasn't being so far away, free kicks weren't given.

[summitclaret]

About time we got back to ratings.

CT - 10
Boyyanno - 0

[ArmchairDetective]

I was there last night. There was a fair bit of vocal support for Muric even before the game kicked off as he entered the pitch, including from myself. From my perspective, last night was the first opportunity this season to offer support to a player that was a big part of our season last season, and a player that probably feels a little hard done by after being replaced at the start of this season. This opportunity was helped by the fact that he started the game stood about ten yards from our fans. Muric had a great first half, particularly his distribution which helped dictate play, which was clearly missed by some posters on this thread but has stuck with the people that were lucky enough to avoid the traffic and attend the whole match.

The vocal support for Muric does not equate to criticism of Trafford, who I hope will soon also have chants sung about him by the crowd. Maybe it was just the area that I was in but I didn't hear one person in the crowd speak negatively of Trafford. I did hear, however, that Muric must have given Kompany a lot to think about for our next league game.