Matt Le Tissier

[Anonymous Claret]

I had a lad working with me today.

A PKE fan, he reckons they are going to win the Championship.

Said it with a straight face as well.



P.S MLT - proper fruit loop.

Now that's a conspiracy thory

[Greenmile]

From what Rowls posted earlier i very much doubt that MLT is anti semitic. However if he is anti semitic and proved to be he deserves everything that comes his way. I think it is probably a similar situation to Corbyn who was demonised as anti semitic when imo that was a complete hatchet job on him to stop him becoming PM.

I believe that certain situations are manipulated by the media to portray individuals in a certain light. The powers that be also like to keep the plebs divided whether that be through race, skin colour, nationality, religion, gender ideology, politics or whatever else they can get us arguing about with each other. If someone is gaining popularity and raising peoples awareness of the injustices in the world they are often attacked by the corporate machine.

For example I have often heard it said that if people understood how the banking system really worked there would be a revolution tomorrow.

The power brokers, not the (s) elected political leaders will do everything that they can to hold onto their power, because if enough of the people realise what is happening regarding their manufactured wars, global health control and global governance etc it is game over.

More and more people are starting to realise this and the injustice that a tiny, tiny small group of people own most of the world's wealth.

From 3 years ago when I read this forum I felt very much on my own but now there are more and more people on here starting to question things with similar opinions to myself in some areas.

I believe this is also a spiritual war and the fact that more and more people are tuning into prayer, meditation and manifestation is also helping us fight the darkness that rules over us.

On a personal level I try to treat everyone equal regardless of race, sexual identity, religion or anything else. If we all do that the world will be a better place. BTW my mental and spiritual wellbeing is much better when I don't post on here

I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but if you don’t think that disseminating an article by a Holocaust denier which claims that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 is antisemitic then my “doubt” has sadly run out.

Every phrase I’ve bolded in the quote above is just a euphemism for “the Jews” and I’m now convinced you’re fully aware of this.

[Inchy]

Whenever I hear a conspiracy theory I ask myself two questions.

Why do they need to lie?
How does this actually effect me if true?

With 9/11 some clowns think it’s an inside job so it gave the justification for America to invade the Middle East. My reply to that particular nonsense is America don’t need to wipe out thousands of their own citizens to Invade the Middle East. If they want to do it they will do it. If they need a lie they can think of one that doesn’t involve the death and destruction of lower Manhattan.


Same with the covid vaccine nonsense. Why lie? And if they needed to lie to get a jab in us why not create a disease that kills kids. People would be far more willing to have a jab if the disease kills kids.


People are uneducated and bored.


Also the bbc isn’t bad. I know bbc journalists and they are sound and wouldn’t lie just to fools some blokes on Facebook.

GP news is a joke. It’s basically ‘let’s have a debate with my panel of 4. 3 of which are right wing nutters, and one left wing nutter. Let’s gang up on him’

[TheFamilyCat]

I think we need Le Tiss back on Soccer Saturday to tell the world about the Premier League conspiracy against Burnley. People need to know the truth.

[TheFamilyCat]

It’s the common tactic. As a post said further up, UTC is behind with things like this.

When you start liking JakubClaret's posts it's time to have a serious think about everything you believe.

[Anonymous Claret]

I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but if you don’t think that disseminating an article by a Holocaust denier which claims that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 is antisemitic then my “doubt” has sadly run out.

Every phrase I’ve bolded in the quote above is just a euphemism for “the Jews” and I’m now convinced you’re fully aware of this.

This is how you perceive things but are 100% wrong.

[Anonymous Claret]

When you start liking JakubClaret's posts it's time to have a serious think about everything you believe.

That's the spirit. Another example of Internet bullying. I try to judge the message rather than the messenger

[Greenmile]

This is how you perceive things but are 100% wrong.

Matthew 12:37

[Anonymous Claret]

Matthew 12:37

If you genuinely believe your twisted logic report me to the police for hate crime.
I look forward to a visit from the plod.

[Greenmile]

If you genuinely believe your twisted logic report me to the police for hate crime.
I look forward to a visit from the plod.

Brave words from “anonymous claret”

[fidelcastro]

Brave words from “anonymous claret”

I can't think why he's anonymous

[Anonymous Claret]

Brave words from “anonymous claret”

Not really. Back your absurd accusations up

[Jakubclaret]

Not really. Back your absurd accusations up

Now you have really presented a problem

[helmclaret]

File him with Right Said Fred and Ian Brown.

[Greenmile]

Not really. Back your absurd accusations up

I have done already - you don’t think that disseminating an article by a Holocaust denier which claims that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 is antisemitic.

Let’s take this by baby steps. Do you believe the Holocaust happened? Do you believe Jews were responsible for 9/11? Do you believe that Jews were celebrating in NYC on 9/11? Do you believe the Jews working in the WTC were pre-warned before the planes hit? Do you believe that Jews made a large amount of money from insurance policies as a direct result of 9/11?

Do you believe that any of the beliefs above are antisemitic? If so, which ones?

[Carlos the Great]

He has clearly turned into a head the ball ..: I no longer engage with conspiracy theorists in dialogue as they are so far radicalised it’s like a scene from Venom where their body has been taken over by an alien being .. I bet he voted Brexit .. thinks Covid was a scam .. Global warming doesn’t exist :: Princess Di was murdered and Elvis works at the chop shop in town

[TheFamilyCat]

He has clearly turned into a head the ball ..: I no longer engage with conspiracy theorists in dialogue as they are so far radicalised it’s like a scene from Venom where their body has been taken over by an alien being .. I bet he voted Brexit .. thinks Covid was a scam .. Global warming doesn’t exist :: Princess Di was murdered and Elvis works at the chop shop in town

You were talking so much sense but let yourself down at the end.

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[Anonymous Claret]

To answer your questions

1. I believe the holocaust happened.
2. I don't believe Jews were responsible for 9/11. However I do believe it was an inside job by the US.
3. I don't think Jewish people were celebrating 9/11.
4. I don't believe Jewish people per se working in the WTC were warned about the impending attacks.
5. I don't think 'the Jews' as you like to put it made a lot of money out of the 2 towers collapsing but it appears from everything that I have read Larry Silverstein the guy who took out the insurance policy in July 2001 made an absolute fortune out of it. Now if you can prove that to be wrong I stand to be corrected.

[Anonymous Claret]

To answer your questions

1. I believe the holocaust happened.
2. I don't believe Jews were responsible for 9/11. However I do believe it was an inside job by the US.
3. I don't think Jewish people were celebrating 9/11.
4. I don't believe Jewish people per se working in the WTC were warned about the impending attacks.
5. I don't think 'the Jews' as you like to put it made a lot of money out of the 2 towers collapsing but it appears from everything that I have read Larry Silverstein the guy who took out the insurance policy in July 2001 made an absolute fortune out of it. Now if you can prove that to be wrong I stand to be corrected.

[gandhisflipflop]

When you start liking JakubClaret's posts it's time to have a serious think about everything you believe.

If you look at the posters name before deciding whether or not to like a post, then I’d suggest it’s you that needs a rethink.

[Anonymous Claret]

I have done already - you don’t think that disseminating an article by a Holocaust denier which claims that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 is antisemitic.

Let’s take this by baby steps. Do you believe the Holocaust happened? Do you believe Jews were responsible for 9/11? Do you believe that Jews were celebrating in NYC on 9/11? Do you believe the Jews working in the WTC were pre-warned before the planes hit? Do you believe that Jews made a large amount of money from insurance policies as a direct result of 9/11?

Do you believe that any of the beliefs above are antisemitic? If so, which ones?

To answer your final question, I believe that all the statements could be considered anti semitic.
However that does not mean that odious people should be exempt from criticism because of their race.
It does not mean that nation states cannot be criticised because of their race also.

[Greenmile]

To answer your questions

1. I believe the holocaust happened.
2. I don't believe Jews were responsible for 9/11. However I do believe it was an inside job by the US.
3. I don't think Jewish people were celebrating 9/11.
4. I don't believe Jewish people per se working in the WTC were warned about the impending attacks.
5. I don't think 'the Jews' as you like to put it made a lot of money out of the 2 towers collapsing but it appears from everything that I have read Larry Silverstein the guy who took out the insurance policy in July 2001 made an absolute fortune out of it. Now if you can prove that to be wrong I stand to be corrected.

That’s good to hear.

On your point 5 (and the slightly strange / ambiguous “per se” in point 4), do you believe Larry Silverstein had advance info about the attacks?

[Greenmile]

To answer your final question, I believe that all the statements could be considered anti semitic...

So do you believe Matt Le Tissier is antisemitic for promoting all of these views? If not, why not?

[Inchy]

To answer your questions

1. I believe the holocaust happened.
2. I don't believe Jews were responsible for 9/11. However I do believe it was an inside job by the US.
3. I don't think Jewish people were celebrating 9/11.
4. I don't believe Jewish people per se working in the WTC were warned about the impending attacks.
5. I don't think 'the Jews' as you like to put it made a lot of money out of the 2 towers collapsing but it appears from everything that I have read Larry Silverstein the guy who took out the insurance policy in July 2001 made an absolute fortune out of it. Now if you can prove that to be wrong I stand to be corrected.

Why do you believe 9/11 was an inside job? If you say it’s something to do with justification to invade the Middle East you’re a moron. The yanks don’t need to fell two towers and wipe out thousands to invade the Middle East, they can just do it

[Inchy]

Does anyone remember when the US invaded the Middle East in the early 90s without smashing down two towers?

[gandhisflipflop]

Does anyone remember when the US invaded the Middle East in the early 90s without smashing down two towers?

I don’t believe that it was an inside job. I do believe that there could have been people that had prior knowledge of the event though and could have prevented it. It’s already been acknowledged that certain agencies had a culture that didn’t communicate with eachother.

[Anonymous Claret]

That’s good to hear.

On your point 5 (and the slightly strange / ambiguous “per se” in point 4), do you believe Larry Silverstein had advance info about the attacks?

I have seen stuff online that every Monday morning he had breakfast in the WTC but on 9/11 he supposedly and conveniently had a dentist's appointment. However I cannot find anything to corroborate that story. It could just be malicious gossip to discredit Silverstein. Unless proved otherwise I have to presume Siverstein didn't know.
The case of him making a fortune out of his insurance policies seems solid. As I said earlier if this is not the case please point me in the direction to verify the fact he didn't vastly profit out of the towers collapsing.

[Carlos the Great]

Maybe the Americans shot the twin towers down in friendly fire ? It wouldn’t be the first time would it

[CoolClaret]

To answer your questions

1. I believe the holocaust happened.
2. I don't believe Jews were responsible for 9/11. However I do believe it was an inside job by the US.
3. I don't think Jewish people were celebrating 9/11.
4. I don't believe Jewish people per se working in the WTC were warned about the impending attacks.
5. I don't think 'the Jews' as you like to put it made a lot of money out of the 2 towers collapsing but it appears from everything that I have read Larry Silverstein the guy who took out the insurance policy in July 2001 made an absolute fortune out of it. Now if you can prove that to be wrong I stand to be corrected.

Christ almighty.

The US couldn’t even keep the world from knowing that Bill Clinton had an affair in the white house - and that was between two people! How the hell are they gonna keep a globally planned plot under wraps?

Also - you know why he got a ‘new’ insurance policy?….

… because he just took out a 99 year lease on the f***ing building that was previously owned by the port authority of NY&NJ -

It’s almost like you need an insurance policy when leasing commercial property. Who’d have thought it.

[JohnMcGreal]

I have seen stuff online that every Monday morning he had breakfast in the WTC but on 9/11 he supposedly and conveniently had a dentist's appointment. However I cannot find anything to corroborate that story. It could just be malicious gossip to discredit Silverstein. Unless proved otherwise I have to presume Siverstein didn't know.
The case of him making a fortune out of his insurance policies seems solid. As I said earlier if this is not the case please point me in the direction to verify the fact he didn't vastly profit out of the towers collapsing.

September 11th 2001 was a Tuesday.

[Inchy]

I don’t believe that it was an inside job. I do believe that there could have been people that had prior knowledge of the event though and could have prevented it. It’s already been acknowledged that certain agencies had a culture that didn’t communicate with eachother.

Incompetence is one think, intent is another.

I’m pretty sure no one( apart from the terrorists) had prior knowledge that the terrorists were going to fly planes into those buildings on that date at that time. Otherwise they would have stopped it. Because there is literally no reason not to stop it.


If a rich jew wants to make money on insurance, he doesn’t need to kill thousands of people to do that

[TheFamilyCat]

I have seen stuff online that every Monday morning he had breakfast in the WTC but on 9/11 he supposedly and conveniently had a dentist's appointment. However I cannot find anything to corroborate that story. It could just be malicious gossip to discredit Silverstein. Unless proved otherwise I have to presume Siverstein didn't know.
The case of him making a fortune out of his insurance policies seems solid. As I said earlier if this is not the case please point me in the direction to verify the fact he didn't vastly profit out of the towers collapsing.

September 11 2001 was a Tuesday. Other than that, there could be something in it.

[gandhisflipflop]

Incompetence is one think, intent is another.

I’m pretty sure no one( apart from the terrorists) had prior knowledge that the terrorists were going to fly planes into those buildings on that date at that time. Otherwise they would have stopped it. Because there is literally no reason not to stop it.


If a rich jew wants to make money on insurance, he doesn’t need to kill thousands of people to do that

I’ve nothing to back that up, it’s just a feeling I’ve got. I just find it very difficult to believe that nobody had prior knowledge. They even trained in the USA and showed no intent of learning how to land a plane. They were under surveillance prior too apparently.

[Anonymous Claret]

September 11th 2001 was a Tuesday.

It was something I read online and I haven't the relevant text to hand. The poster may have said Tuesday but there is nothing else I can find to back up their point about Siverstein's dental appointment or missed breakfast at the WTC

[Greenmile]

I’ve nothing to back that up, it’s just a feeling I’ve got...

The conspiracy theorist’s mantra, there.

[TheFamilyCat]

It was something I read online and I haven't the relevant text to hand. The poster may have said Tuesday but there is nothing else I can find to back up their point about Siverstein's dental appointment or missed breakfast at the WTC

I wonder why.

[gandhisflipflop]

The conspiracy theorist’s mantra, there.

On 9/11 yes I’ve nothing to back it up, and I don’t really care either way it’s just a theory I have. It doesn’t affect my life true or not.

[Anonymous Claret]

I wonder why.

Here you go.

Took me 30 seconds to find, I am sure there may be more examples.

Go down to September 11 Attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

[TheFamilyCat]

Here you go.

Took me 30 seconds to find, I am sure there may be more examples.

Go down to September 11 Attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

Wikipedia, you've converted me.

[Rileybobs]

Here you go.

Took me 30 seconds to find, I am sure there may be more examples.

Go down to September 11 Attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

You say he made a fortune from his insurance pay-out, yet the replacement buildings cost more to construct than his insurance award. Or am I missing something?

[ecc]

"It might be worth examining what Le Tissier has actually said here.

According to the JC article, the only thing he has posted is, "What a thread." That's it. Three words.

The JC extrapolates that this constitutes an "endorsement" but that isn't necessarily so. It implies that Le Tissier re-tweeted the threads but it isn't explicit in stating this.

I would often re-tweet pure nonsense for the sake of it. I was particularly fond of re-tweeting caustic and nasty tweets at one point just so that the author's nature could be seen by others.

It's not worth castigating Le Tissier for this unless he unequivocally states that he actually agrees with the sentiments of what he has re-tweeted.

Until or unless he does so, we've no idea of his motivations. And all those accusing him of being in hock to whacky conspiracies have jumped the gun. He might be. He might not be.

Nothing in the linked JC article demonstrates that Le Tissier believes this stuff, it's all supposition.

It's easy to spot click bait when we don't agree with the article. Less easy to discren click bait if it conforms to or reinforces our own world view.

"

It's very, very unusual for me to agree with you Rowls on anything other than football but I think it only right and fair to cast aside our political differences and say you're right on this issue (IMHO).

As you say, MLT has just typed "What a thread". Had he no history of "quirky" comments, he might be thought to be saying "The thread's a lot of rubbish".

I happen to be more pro-Jewish than most people despite being Catholic but this is just lazy journalism. I often read the Jewish Chronicle and agree with many of their journalists but some of them do leap on to non-stories.

Le Tissier is an outcast and has made sure he has no future in the UK football world. He stepped down from his role as ambassador at Southampton although I don't think he had any choice.

It's sad that a man who was a damn good player on his day has ended up like this but you can't spout some of the stuff he's come up and retain credibility.

[Anonymous Claret]

So do you believe Matt Le Tissier is antisemitic for promoting all of these views? If not, why not?

I don't think MLT is anti semetic from a post that he retweeted. What did he retweet 'What a thread''? I follow some of the stuff he does such as on Twitter or the podcast with Simon Jordan and he has always appeared decent and genuine. However I could be wrong but I don't think that I am.

Sometimes when people re tweet they are not always endorsements.

He may have been astounded at the thread and thought 'God I am out there but this person is another level.

He may have agreed with the content of the post. I haven't read the thread but from what you say the main poster is a holocaust denier. If this is the case then MLT needs to be held accountable if he condones or agrees with the views of that person.

However we don't know what the context of those words by Le Tissier actually mean. The only person who knows is Le Tissier himself.

Until he actually gives a statement in relation to this incident I will keep an open mind.

[Anonymous Claret]

Wikipedia, you've converted me.

Do some searching yourself. See if you can find anything to prove or disprove it.

[BabylonClaret]

I don’t believe that it was an inside job. I do believe that there could have been people that had prior knowledge of the event though and could have prevented it. It’s already been acknowledged that certain agencies had a culture that didn’t communicate with eachother.

Hindsight is a great thing. The US intelligence agencies ****** up largely because of group think. The same kind d of group thinking that caused our shamanic response to Covid as well.

There's no conspiracy- just a sad indictment of the inward facing and un diverse make up of most of our ring elites

[BabylonClaret]

I’ve nothing to back that up, it’s just a feeling I’ve got. I just find it very difficult to believe that nobody had prior knowledge. They even trained in the USA and showed no intent of learning how to land a plane. They were under surveillance prior too apparently.

I recommend you read Rebel Ideas by Matthew Sayed. It's a very interesting book about confirmation bias and the danger of echo chamber thinking - 9/11 is a case study in the book and a critical reason why nobody joined the dots is a lot down to the way the COA recruited and how they failed to share intelligence with others due to political reasons.

[BabylonClaret]

Here you go.

Took me 30 seconds to find, I am sure there may be more examples.

Go down to September 11 Attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

There is literally nothing in there about him avoiding his usual breakfast on the day of the attacks. It like you heard some bullshit somewhere that confirmed your bizarre "there has to be a conspiracy" theory and just accepted it.

[Anonymous Claret]

There is literally nothing in there about him avoiding his usual breakfast on the day of the attacks. It like you heard some bullshit somewhere that confirmed your bizarre "there has to be a conspiracy" theory and just accepted it.

Silverstein has said in interviews that he usually spent his mornings in breakfast meetings at Windows on the World on top of the World Trade Center North Tower, and with new tenants in the building. However, the morning of September 11, 2001, his wife insisted he attend a medical appointment, inadvertently saving him from certain death.[23][24]

The above statement is from Wikipedia so it may or may not be true

And here's The Manhattan Institute

https://manhattan.institute/article/the ... round-zero

[yTib]

conspiracy theorists will always choose the conspiracy over the truth. it's rather sad.

as for le tissier i think sammyboy summed it up early on in the thread.

but footballers are hardly famed for their intellect.

[Rileybobs]

Imagine having a medical appointment on a Tuesday morning. What are the odds?!

[BabylonClaret]

Silverstein has said in interviews that he usually spent his mornings in breakfast meetings at Windows on the World on top of the World Trade Center North Tower, and with new tenants in the building. However, the morning of September 11, 2001, his wife insisted he attend a medical appointment, inadvertently saving him from certain death.[23][24]

The above statement is from Wikipedia so it may or may not be true

And here's The Manhattan Institute

https://manhattan.institute/article/the ... round-zero

Helpful if you'd said it was under septe.ber 11 atta ks under "Career".

But there's nothing g suspicious in the report there (except in your head). If he really was implicit in the attack then do you think he would draw attention to the fact that he wasn't in his usual breakfast meetings in Window on the World?

Of course it is POSSIBLE that he was implicit in the attack but it's far more likely he wasn't. So better really to avoid promoting a possibility with no evidence to support it other than circumstantial