when do questions start to be asked

[evensteadiereddie]

The reality is in this first season, particularly, there are certain clubs best case scenario that we will give a decent game and possibly nick a point or the odd win.
There are a number of matches, Luton, Wolves, Bournemouth, Brentford, Sheff Utd, Everton and so on where we have a decent chance of winning.
Unfortunately, our opening games, bar Forest, have been as difficult as they possibly could have.
We have to be patient, let's see how those other sides go on when they meet the big boys.
Ultimately, if we go down so be it. The consolation is we'll be well set for another astonishing season next year.

[Ric_C]

There are zero easy games in this league, zero. Comments like "They were there for the taking" completely baffle me.

What I would say is that we look a lot more solid with a proper number 8 behind a main striker. I think Amdouni will make way once Foster is back.

We controlled large parts of the game last night, it reminded me of a few home games last season. We just need to keep tweaking and learning. I much prefer this to watching the last few years of Dyche where we had around 30% possession in most games.

[evensteadiereddie]

Absolutely.
As VK said, we were always in it and played decent football from beginning to end.
I hate the cliche but I think the journey is only just starting.

[Newcastleclaret93]

To answer the OP it will be around feb or March when questions get asked.

I’m pretty confident VK will be sacked by Pace if it looks like we are going to be relegated.

Just as I was confident Dyche would get the sack.

VK did wonders in the championship but ultimately the club and the owners will do whatever they can to avoid relegation.

[Newcastleclaret93]

To answer the OP it will be around feb or March when questions get asked.

I’m pretty confident VK will be sacked by Pace if it looks like we are going to be relegated.

Just as I was confident Dyche would get the sack.

VK did wonders in the championship but ultimately the club and the owners will do whatever they can to avoid relegation.

I should also add I would be gutted if he is.

[dsr]

Its valid feedback, but what hurts is that PL clubs, to quote Sean Dyche , will find a way to win, even though they may on the day not be as good as you. A draw last night would I feel have been a fair result but Utd found a way to beat us

To be fair, the way United found to beat us was by finding an experienced international forward and paying him £250k per week plus bonuses.

We have to find a different way to win. And on another day, we might well have won, but the difficulty about "finding ways to win" is that they don't work every time. Against Man City, Villa, and Spurs, we were nowhere near finding a way to win. Against Forest, we almost found a way to win but came across a referee who found a way to stop us. And against Man United, we played well and came close but didn't find that way.

[Rileybobs]

There are zero easy games in this league, zero. Comments like "They were there for the taking" completely baffle me.

Man Utd were there for the taking though. Our opposition last night was essentially Man Utd in name only, they were extremely average bordering on poor. Unfortunately they still have some world class players who can do world class things out of the blue, and that is ultimately why we lost the game.

I do agree with you that there are no easy games in this league, however I would expect plenty of mid to low end teams to give us a tougher game than Man Utd did last night so ultimately I think we missed a good chance to put some points on the board.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Man Utd were there for the taking though. Our opposition last night was essentially Man Utd in name only, they were extremely average bordering on poor. Unfortunately they still have some world class players who can do world class things out of the blue, and that is ultimately why we lost the game.

I do agree with you that there are no easy games in this league, however I would expect plenty of mid to low end teams to give us a tougher game than Man Utd did last night so ultimately I think we missed a good chance to put some points on the board.

I agree, apart from a moment of pure world class football United on the whole looked poor.

Probably never a better time to play them with the amount of injuries they have as well.

[evensteadiereddie]

To answer the OP it will be around feb or March when questions get asked.

I’m pretty confident VK will be sacked by Pace if it looks like we are going to be relegated.

Just as I was confident Dyche would get the sack.

VK did wonders in the championship but ultimately the club and the owners will do whatever they can to avoid relegation.

Nonsense.

[KRBFC]

He asked which games we should expect to win, not lose.

So again, for all you "we don't stand a chance / write it off / free hit" types... who SHOULD we be allowed to be thinking about beating?

I don't recall this attitude in 2009/10 or any season going forward until about 2018 when Dyche was in full Dyche mode...

Dyche was relegated in his first PL season you lemon

[Granny WeatherWax]

I mean a completely stupid thread, but VK won’t be sacked if we are relegated, and rightly so.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nonsense.

Why is it?

I can’t see under any circumstance the owners will accept relegation and let the manager stay.

[NewClaret]

Why is it?

I can’t see under any circumstance the owners will accept relegation and let the manager stay.

I’d be amazed after all the investment ALK have made, publicly stating they’re a few years ahead of their plan, if they sacked him.

Pointless discussion though since that’s a long time away and I think we’re looking pretty decent to be honest.

[NewClaret]

He asked which games we should expect to win, not lose.

So again, for all you "we don't stand a chance / write it off / free hit" types... who SHOULD we be allowed to be thinking about beating?

I don't recall this attitude in 2009/10 or any season going forward until about 2018 when Dyche was in full Dyche mode...

Bournemouth, Luton, Sheffield United, Brentford, Everton, Wolves, Palace, West Ham (maybe), Fulham, Forest.

Basically the bottom half teams, which is what we are right now.

[agreenwood]

So many vultures on this forum.

In some ways I prefer the more straightforward posters with outlandishly premature views, than those who revel in instability and pretend that they don’t want x or y to happen, but let you know there’s a point at which they’ll be unhappy.

[CoolClaret]

I’d be amazed after all the investment ALK have made, publicly stating they’re a few years ahead of their plan, if they sacked him.

Pointless discussion though since that’s a long time away and I think we’re looking pretty decent to be honest.

They said the same about stuff about Dyche after they resigned him, 6 months later he was potted.

[NewClaret]

Man Utd were there for the taking though. Our opposition last night was essentially Man Utd in name only, they were extremely average bordering on poor. Unfortunately they still have some world class players who can do world class things out of the blue, and that is ultimately why we lost the game.

I do agree with you that there are no easy games in this league, however I would expect plenty of mid to low end teams to give us a tougher game than Man Utd did last night so ultimately I think we missed a good chance to put some points on the board.

If United were there for the taking I’d say it’s because we made them look very ordinary.

An alternative might’ve been to try and sit back a bit more, let them have the ball and hit them on the break (seem to recall that a lot of Brighton and Munich’s goals were on transition). I think that’d have led to a far worse result though.

But agree in moments we could have been more aggressive in our play.

[Boss Hogg]

If we have saleable assets the owners might accept relegation. Not sure they would willingly accept another relegation though and especially after spending the amount they have. I think anything is possible and expect that this board will be proactive and not reactive.

[NewClaret]

They said the same about stuff about Dyche after they resigned him, 6 months later he was potted.

Not engaging in a debate about something that is so far off being a reality, but the obvious difference is that Vinny is Alan’s hire and seems to be willing to play a style/business model way more aligned to his vision.

[Claretmisterg]

VK is more aligned to developing young talent than Dyche was. Dyche had tunnel vision and was focussed on not losing games. ALK want a platform to recruit and sell on at a profit. They will accept relegation provided we can keep bouncing back. If it looked like we were heading for League 1 VK would be potted.

[CoolClaret]

Not engaging in a debate about something that is so far off being a reality, but the obvious difference is that Vinny is Alan’s hire and seems to be willing to play a style/business model way more aligned to his vision.

I’m not debating mate just stating facts.

Pace signed Dyche to a bumper extension then potted him.

I don’t think it will happen because I don’t think we will be cut adrift come crunch time, but if we are and we’ve spent the money that we have it wouldn’t surprise me at all - I tend to judge people off what they have done and not what they say.

[CoolClaret]

VK is more aligned to developing young talent than Dyche was. Dyche had tunnel vision and was focussed on not losing games. ALK want a platform to recruit and sell on at a profit. They will accept relegation provided we can keep bouncing back. If it looked like we were heading for League 1 VK would be potted.

There’s me thinking Dyche turned young Trippier, Pope, Keane, Tarky and Ings into England internationals and all went on to have big moves after Burnley…

[NewClaret]

I’m not debating mate just stating facts.

Pace signed Dyche to a bumper extension then potted him.

I don’t think it will happen because I don’t think we will be cut adrift come crunch time, but if we are and we’ve spent the money that we have it wouldn’t surprise me at all - I tend to judge people off what they have done and not what they say.

Well let’s hope it never becomes something we have to contemplate or debate more seriously.

[Rileybobs]

If United were there for the taking I’d say it’s because we made them look very ordinary.

An alternative might’ve been to try and sit back a bit more, let them have the ball and hit them on the break (seem to recall that a lot of Brighton and Munich’s goals were on transition). I think that’d have led to a far worse result though.

But agree in moments we could have been more aggressive in our play.

We made them look ordinary, but they also were just ordinary. They had lost 3 of their opening 5 fixtures and still have a negative goal difference after beating us. They looked incohesive, disinterested and lacklustre. The name Manchester United carries gravitas, but the truth is we would have faced a tougher test against more than half of this division - the difference being most of those teams don’t have a player capable of doing what Fernandes did.

United were there for the taking just as Chelsea are shaping up to be in a couple of weeks time. That’s not to say we should be beating them, just that if we have a bit more about us in the final third we can.

[Claretmisterg]

There’s me thinking Dyche turned young Trippier, Pope, Keane, Tarky and Ings into England internationals and all went on to have big moves after Burnley…

Trippier and Ings were signed by Howe. Dyche did a fantastic job for Burnley. Just saying that VK is in with the board regarding developing new talent and that comes across in Mission to Burnley.

[CoolClaret]

Trippier and Ings were signed by Howe. Dyche did a fantastic job for Burnley. Just saying that VK is in with the board regarding developing new talent and that comes across in Mission to Burnley.

Aye they were and they weren’t doing much till Sean got his hands on them.

Just find some of the revisionist nonsense about Dyche to be tiresome.

VK is the one that instigated the whole signing a ton of young players thing, no doubt about it and it is more of the model we should be utilising.. still good to have a balance of experience and youth on the field though.

[warksclaret]

We made them look ordinary, but they also were just ordinary. They had lost 3 of their opening 5 fixtures and still have a negative goal difference after beating us. They looked incohesive, disinterested and lacklustre. The name Manchester United carries gravitas, but the truth is we would have faced a tougher test against more than half of this division - the difference being most of those teams don’t have a player capable of doing what Fernandes did.

United were there for the taking just as Chelsea are shaping up to be in a couple of weeks time. That’s not to say we should be beating them, just that if we have a bit more about us in the final third we can.

The only thing separating us was the world class finish of their goal. TNT sport TV spent more time on that goal than how we had performed. A 0-0 result would have been a true reflection and a great building block for us

[Claretmisterg]

Aye they were and they weren’t doing much till Sean got his hands on them.

Just find some of the revisionist nonsense about Dyche to be tiresome.

VK is the one that instigated the whole signing a ton of young players thing, no doubt about it and it is more of the model we should be utilising.. still good to have a balance of experience and youth on the field though.

The years under Dyche were fantastic and totally unexpected from what had gone before. Whatever happens will always be there. Have followed them from the very top to the very bottom.

[Billyblah]

I bet you're fun at parties.

Mr Sykes is either winding us up..or he's in the "you only sing when you're winning " camp.

The Championship and PL , are quite literally, different leagues, the latter now being the playground of the mega rich.

There's no more dancing around the opposition with the expectation of 3-0 wins.
Its down to grinding out results against the lower PL opposition and scraping the occasional point against the teams with more quality.

[dsr]

One question that could be validly asked is, how have other teams played against the teams that beat us?

Answer - the bottom 12 excluding us have played a combined 12 games against Man C, Villa, Spurs, and Man U. They have drawn 1 and lost 11, scored 8 and conceded 29. So we aren't far off the average.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just had the misfortune of glancing at this thread before bed. So much negative tripe.

We would now be on arguably 6 points but for that wrong VAR decision. I maintain if Foster plays yesterday we win instead of being frustrated and sent off. As it is, we are not yet adrift, and have Chelsea and Newcastle to get out of the way soon too. If we lose to Luton, maybe that is the time for hypothetical musing, as it is now I think we’re a mid table team after 20 games.