Clarets Vs Newcastle

[123EasyasBFC]

He made arguably the save of the season today to keep us in the game.

I’m sorry but under that press we could have had Ederson in goal. It would have been no different at all.

Our out ball was a long ball to three players under 5.10 against massive defenders.

Save of the season? You have having a laugh, it literally hit him, every keeper in the league is expected to save that

Popes save to Amdouni is better than any Trafford made today

[Devils_Advocate]

Five games into a season isnt a long time. I remember 5 games into last season...

Going nowhere fast if we continue to play out from the back in that way though.

I simply do not understand this passing around the keeper. Ok if you have players the quality of Man City but we don’t have that luxury. Cost us 2 points yesterday. And might have just cost Chelsea 3 at Leeds !

We’re by far the best team in this division based on what ?

We are miles off from being a top 6 team never mind winning the league. We will do well to to finish in the top half, we are awful at the back and don’t have a goal scorer, are we relying on Brownhill for goals ?

I think ALK have done a tremendous job in lowering expectations while reinvesting as little as possible on quite poor players. I think our best players are the loan players, not a good sign. If it wasn't for VK (who I fully trust and support), I'd fancy this club to be in serious trouble of relegation in the next 2-3 years.

Now ALK have got most of the money out of the club that they possibly could, I question their future motivation. Now we're gonna decline year on year with income dwindling as ALK run to make profit every year (because they can't cover losses).

It is what it is, fans accepted this already without much fuss. I see VK's vision but you need to reinvest for it to work, we're forever taking the cheap option and so far, I'm not convinced by really any of the permanent additions, maybe aside from Cullen. Bored of saying it but if you put 2 quality additions into this side, it's a different story. That would require some level of reinvestment from the £20m Mcneil fee which has likely already gone out of the club.

How many goals will we give away playing Tippy Tappy in our own 18 yard box this season ?

Think we have a dodgy keeper we need to replace.
The sooner Taylor is removed from central defence the better.
We are not using Roberts strengths
Barnes is neither use nor ornament.

A mile off a promotion winning side for me. We don’t have to pass it out from the back all the time and always look for an extra pass. Muric will let in plenty of howlers playing like this. We need a commanding centre half and a striker and to speed things up. Barnes has the movement of an oil tanker. Wrong subs and made far too early. Lost our way after that

[Newcastleclaret93]

Save of the season? You have having a laugh, it literally hit him, every keeper in the league is expected to save that

Popes save to Amdouni is better than any Trafford made today

I’m sorry but that save was top drawer. Genuinely world class

[IPAclaret]

The Top Clarets have spoken...

Thanks BigGaz , I've never really considered myself a 'top Claret' but if it's coming from you I'll take it....

I actually agree with a lot of what you say, some of our playing out from the back is suicidal; our midfield isn't good enough and we may well lack goals.

But this is the style of football we've signed up for and it isn't going to change.

What is the alternative ? I'm not being argumentative, I just don't see us playing any other way

When some posters on here were predicting a top 10 finish I personally thought that was ridiculous.

But I do think we're improving and we've had a very difficult start. We could and should have beaten Forest and got at least a point against Man Utd.

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[Steddyman]

There can’t be much doubt that Trafford is much better at keeping the ball out of the net. Muric is unquestionably world class with his feet.
Given the number of shots we’re facing Trafford is the better choice

Again, the stats don't back up these statements. The opposite is true.

[Steddyman]

The problem is a large portion of our goals are coming from defensive mistakes. Your judging goals conceded like a Dyche defence, most of the goals conceded come purely from midfield and defence **** ups. There’s nothing a keeper could have done about 95% of the goals this season.

Our defence are picking up on the nerves of Trafford with the ball at his feet.

Muric is ice cool with the ball with eyes in the back of his head. That rubs off on the defence.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Our defence are picking up on the nerves of Trafford with the ball at his feet.

Muric is ice cool with the ball with eyes in the back of his head. That rubs off on the defence.

That is such nonsense.

So Traffords passing is making the Defence part like the Red Sea on a number of occasions today?

People are scapegoating Trafford, he’s arguably been our best player this season with Koleosho.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Some of our passing at times is infuriating , simple balls that are given away, causing panic amongst the team. Then decision making , nothing seemed to work at all. What on Earth were they doing for the second goal? Absolutely mental.

When you’re not giving yourself a chance then you’re deep in the mire. Stupid mistakes need eradicating but when you’re under the pressure that they are aT the moment it becomes harder. Especially when you’re a very young side. The real test is midweek now. They need to get their heads up and show everyone that we can compete with the sides around us.

[Steddyman]

I'm not scapegoting him at all. Our defence looks calm and collected with Muric between the sticks

I do also remember the first 8 games last season too, and the same things were being said about Muric, though his distribution was always top notch.

Trafford made some good saves today, but he doesn't inspire the confidence Muric did towards the end of the season.

[SalisburyClaret]

Again, the stats don't back up these statements. The opposite is true.

There are no stats on Muric in the PL

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm not scapegoting him at all. Our defence looks calm and collected with him between the sticks

I do also remember the first 8 games last season too, and the same things were being said about Muric, though his distribution was always top notch.

Trafford made some good saves today, but he doesn't inspire the confidence Muric did towards the end of the season.

But you’re comparing Muric playing against teams that are two or three levels below what we are now.

It’s literally in comparable.

[Steddyman]

There are no stats on Muric in the PL

So how do you know Trafford is the better shot stopper?

[ksrclaret]

The bottom line is Muric earned the right last season to show whether he’s good enough or not this season.

Trafford kept us in it today but distribution is a big issue. The formula needs a massive rethink and giving Muric a go seems an obvious one. Nothing against Trafford.

[Steddyman]

But you’re comparing Muric playing against teams that are two or three levels below what we are now.

It’s literally in comparable.

Muric vs Nottingham Forest. We win 1-0
Trafford vs Nottingham Forest. We draw 1-1

Though you are right we don't have a lot of apple to apples to compare atm. We could fix that my playing Muric.

[Rileybobs]

Can people not understand that Muric ‘inspired confidence’ last season because our opposition literally couldn’t get the ball off us.

I hope Muric starts the next game because when we invariably lose to Chelsea and the confidence of our defenders isn’t any more inspired this can be put to bed. I’ve not been over-awed by Trafford so far, but he’s pretty much the last reason why we’ve only put one point on the board this season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Can people not understand that Muric ‘inspired confidence’ last season because our opposition literally couldn’t get the ball off us.

I hope Muric starts the next game because when we invariably lose to Chelsea and the confidence of our defenders isn’t any more inspired this can be put to bed. I’ve not been over-awed by Trafford so far, but he’s pretty much the last reason why we’ve only put one point on the board this season.

Yep nailed in one.

We need Muric to have one game so these nonsense discussions after every game stop

[ksrclaret]

Personally, I hope that if Muric starts it leads to a win and a good game.

[Spijed]

As an aside, there were calls for Dan Burn to be picked for the England team.

He'd get ripped apart at that level.

[Rileybobs]

Personally, I hope that if Muric starts it leads to a win and a good game.

I’m pretty sure every Burnley fan does.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m sorry but that save was top drawer. Genuinely world class

It’s not a world class save at all, you can like Trafford it’s fine but that’s a save every keeper in the league makes

[ksrclaret]

I’m pretty sure every Burnley fan does.

You’d hope so.

Some seem to want him to start to stop people asking for him to start though. You can’t imagine they’re wishing him well in that case.

[Swizzlestick]

GK situation isn’t the only issue, but for me it’s an important one - we are desperately missing the quicker distribution that is integral to how we want to play imo. It may be that Muric also struggles against the better quality opposition but he deserves his chance to show what he can do because at the moment it isn’t working for me.

[Rileybobs]

You’d hope so.

Some seem to want him to start to stop people asking for him to start though. You can’t imagine they’re wishing him well in that case.

I don’t think that’s the case, I think some people just believe that Muric wouldn’t have made any differences to our fortunes so far this season, and that comparisons to him in our utterly dominant Championship side are facile.

[ksrclaret]

I don’t think that’s the case, I think some people just believe that Muric wouldn’t have made any differences to our fortunes so far this season, and that comparisons to him in our utterly dominant Championship side are facile.

Let’s hope we get to find out one way or the other soon.

I think both sides of this debate need to recognise we’re only dealing in, like you said, beliefs right now. We could do with some evidence either way.

[agreenwood]

I don’t think that’s the case, I think some people just believe that Muric wouldn’t have made any differences to our fortunes so far this season, and that comparisons to him in our utterly dominant Championship side are facile.

When Muric is playing in the same side as Taylor & Brownhill, I wonder where people will turn next if we still aren’t winning.

[ksrclaret]

When Muric is playing in the same side as Taylor & Brownhill, I wonder where people will turn next if we still aren’t winning.

It’s odd isn’t that posters are speculating on what a winning formula might look like.

[Rileybobs]

When Muric is playing in the same side as Taylor & Brownhill, I wonder where people will turn next if we still aren’t winning.

Jack Cork

I get it, people look at a problem and they try to rationalise it by thinking of a single thing that could be the solution to that problem. We never lost last season but we now we keep, what’s different this season? - No Muric. Ergo get Muric in the team and we’ll stop losing.

[JimmyRobbo]

I’m still waiting for you to say something sensible about anything.

Good point. Saying you should be free to post what you want is never going to make sense.

[ksrclaret]

Jack Cork

I get it, people look at a problem and they try to rationalise it by thinking of a single thing that could be the solution to that problem. We never lost last season but we now we keep, what’s different this season? - No Muric. Ergo get Muric in the team and we’ll stop losing.

Not sure anyone has said we’ll stop losing.

I’ve seen comments on better distribution and understanding, but nothing that says we’ll definitely stop losing.

Would be good if we did stop losing, mind.

[agreenwood]

It’s odd isn’t that posters are speculating on what a winning formula might look like.

I’m not against Muric coming back in, but there’s clearly a strategy at work. Kompany must believe that Trafford is the better bet, if not now, then very soon and worrh persevering with.

At the beginning of last season lots of fans showed little patience for Muric and wanted BPF to play. Thankfully Kompany stuck to his guns and all was well.

As I said on another thread, time might prove that Kompany is being too cute this season, but we’re 6 games in and he’s earned a bit more patience, particularly given the tough start the fixture computer set us.

[Rileybobs]

Not sure anyone has said we’ll stop losing.

I’ve seen comments on better distribution and understanding, but nothing that says we’ll definitely stop losing.

Would be good if we did stop losing, mind.

No, but people are looking for a simple solution to a complicated problem and using false logic such as the way we played last season vs this season - or the fact that we beat Forest in the cup with Muric in goal but only drew with them in the league with Trafford in goal.

[Casper2]

Good point. Saying you should be free to post what you want is never going to make sense.

Keep going

[ksrclaret]

No, but people are looking for a simple solution to a complicated problem and using false logic such as the way we played last season vs this season - or the fact that we beat Forest in the cup with Muric in goal but only drew with them in the league with Trafford in goal.

Fair enough, but when people were calling for Taylor and Brownhill to return I think it’s fair to say it was the right call and we’ve looked better since Villa and Spurs.

We’re still not right though so perhaps Muric might be the right call as well? All part of a formula, I don’t think anyone believes there is one silver bullet.

Just as an aside, is there anything you’d change about the team or set up? I get we’re not as qualified as VK but we’re allowed to speculate.

[Rileybobs]

Fair enough, but when people were calling for Taylor and Brownhill to return I think it’s fair to say it was the right call and we’ve looked better since Villa and Spurs.

We’re still not right though so perhaps Muric might be the right call as well? All part of a formula, I don’t think anyone believes there is one silver bullet.

Just as an aside, is there anything you’d change about the team or set up? I get we’re not as qualified as VK but we’re allowed to speculate.

Yes fair point, but I think bringing in Taylor, an actual left back, and playing one less attacking player in midfield were more fundamental changes to the way we set up than changing a keeper with a similar quality one when our lack of points has had nothing to do with our goalkeeper.

In terms of what I’d change, unfortunately I missed the game today so can only comment on the others. But I’m not sure exactly what I’d change other than try to find a settled lineup and work on it. Obviously Foster will help.

My concern is more whether we actually can change things significantly enough to compete or whether we just dropped a massive ball in the transfer window. What I am cautiously optimistic about is that we may have enough attacking talent to blow away some of the teams near the bottom of the table. But until we’ve played a few of them it may just be wishful thinking. Time will tell.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Fair enough, but when people were calling for Taylor and Brownhill to return I think it’s fair to say it was the right call and we’ve looked better since Villa and Spurs.

We’re still not right though so perhaps Muric might be the right call as well? All part of a formula, I don’t think anyone believes there is one silver bullet.

Just as an aside, is there anything you’d change about the team or set up? I get we’re not as qualified as VK but we’re allowed to speculate.

I think we have improved in the previous two games but I actually think today was our worst game of the season.

I think for the first time ever watching Burnley (you will be surprised to hear) I have no idea how this team improves (by changing personnel).

I almost think the tactics have to change quite dramatically. I said it on another post but I suspected we would concede a lot but I thought we would also score a fair few. At the moment we don’t seem to be able to get either end of the pitch right.

[Anthonini]

I think Trafford played an excellent game and played some good long balls that should have been exploited better. Against better teams you got to do more with the chances you get.


Overall decent team performance against a very strong Newcastle. We played along very well and gave them a run for their money. Can't pick anyone out who didn't give it all they got. Cullen is looking better and better and for us that's a very important factor as our team is built around him. Berge as a box to box is also getting better. His passing is more direct and he's strong on the ball.

Still hope to see a midfield with Cullen Berge and Ramsey vs Luton town. Ramsey was still decent but on the wings he can't really show his qualities enough with the running into spaces and good through balls.

Missed Trésor today too. Larsen was kind of anonymous with only one good run. Jay Rodriguez not really what we need either. Odobert showed promise but he needs more time to develop.

The four in the back look stable at the moment. Something to build on.

At midfield and up front still some tweaking to do. Get Berge Foster and Trésor in there.

[Rick_Muller]

Just watched the highlights. We played well, and I thought Al Dakhil got the ball when Gordon died on the pitch for their pen.

We’ll be alright

[dougcollins]

Just watched the highlights. We played well, and I thought Al Dakhil got the ball when Gordon died on the pitch for their pen.

We’ll be alright

Ramsey's inexperience showed through today, and he struggled with the role he was given. Cost us the first goal.

(Sorry Rick, I quoted the wrong post but don't know how to correct).

[123EasyasBFC]

Today is the worst performance of the season I don’t see it any different and that’s my opinion before anyone jumps down my throat. After the first goal we looked like we had no answer what so ever. We looked better 5-1 down at home to spurs than we did 1-0 down today