Have we bet the ranch ?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

he'd be daft to even glance at this forum.
And he's not daft.

indeed

[Newcastleclaret93]

Ok name me one team that would buy Trafford for £20-30m

his performances so far merit around 500k if a team was absolutely desperate for a keeper and thats being generous

Aaron Ramsdale was bought for 20m by Sheffield and sold for 28m 11 months later after keeping the lowest number of clean sheets in the league and being the keeper with the highest number of errors leading to goals.

Ramsdale has Almost an identical career to Trafford to date.

He was in league 2, then league 1, then jumped to the premier league.

Trafford has done the same except he’s done it 8 months earlier. They also had a similar trajectory with the England youth set up.

Trafford will 100% be sold for profit

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Aaron Ramsdale was bought for 20m by Sheffield and sold for 28m 11 months later after keeping the lowest number of clean sheets in the league and being the keeper with the highest number of errors leading to goals.

Ramsdale has Almost an identical career to Trafford to date.

He was in league 2, then league 1, then jumped to the premier league.

Trafford has done the same except he’s done it 8 months earlier. They also had a similar trajectory with the England youth set up.

Trafford will 100% be sold for profit

Alan is certainly banking on this scenario, it will be interesting to see if it comes true and if it does i shall be eating humble pie no problem.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Does make you wonder what the string of add ons are in the Trafford deal.

I mean seen as some keep using the fee that it could eventually reach makes you wonder if there was a 5m add on if we won a game with him. Either that or some have an agenda.

[beeholeclaret]

Great post which has brought forth some breathtaking views few of which have posted our great club and players in a positive light. I’m certainly not a happy clapper but we have to look at the bigger picture and the ‘project’ that Pace and VK have put their weight and money behind.

Many on here were slagging off Chris Wood a couple of years ago and he was sold for in excess of £20m. Many are unhappy that Pope was sold for 10m even though he wouldn’t sign a new contract and was in last year of his previous one.

We don’t really know how much money has been paid to build our squad and I would imagine a lot the payments will be spread over a number of years. You really would hope that the debt has been thinly spread across a number of different sources to reduce the risk involved.

We’ve got to be patient and trust that these guys have a meaningful plan.

[Darnhill Claret]

Not all plans succeed. It's not about having a plan. Every club has a plan. Luton and Sheff U both have a plan.

[ClaretAndBlue94]

Would say it is quite the opposite. We can go down and make a relatively healthy profit on a number of players.

[aggi]

We've bought re-sellable assets which should give us some grace but I think some are a bit wild in their estimates of how loads of players' values are shooting up regardless of how we play. If we go down there are probably quite a few players who won't have had a good season and so expecting their prices to appreciate is a bit optimistic.

A few will increase but it's also easy for them to sink without a trace. People talk about how Brighton have made loads of money on their transfers but they started it all off with some hefty transfer losses on players like Alireza Jahanbakhsh.

[boyyanno]

Surely the most like for like comparison is Bazanu who moved from City to Saints? Had pretty much the same trajectory as Trafford and found the PL a step too far, Saints fans would have piggy backed him to another club. They wouldn't have made profit on him.

Anyone guaranteeing we will make money on Trafford is speaking absolute bobbins. In fact if its as easy as everyone is making out I don't know why we didn't just sign a load of England u20's as they will only appreciate in value according to the experts on here.

The simple fact is that players need to preform and if they don't we aren't going to make money on the ones we spent a considerable outlay for.

[boatshed bill]

90 million euros (max) net spend over 3 windows is hardly betting the ranch.

[CoolClaret]

Surely the most like for like comparison is Bazanu who moved from City to Saints? Had pretty much the same trajectory as Trafford and found the PL a step too far, Saints fans would have piggy backed him to another club. They wouldn't have made profit on him.

Anyone guaranteeing we will make money on Trafford is speaking absolute bobbins. In fact if its as easy as everyone is making out I don't know why we didn't just sign a load of England u20's as they will only appreciate in value according to the experts on here.

The simple fact is that players need to preform and if they don't we aren't going to make money on the ones we spent a considerable outlay for.

Exactly. If it was that straight forward every club would be doing it.

There's pleanty of youngsters in recent history that had far more hype than Traff/Ramsey etc and turned out to do nothing. Not suggesting that's likely for them two but it's far from guarenteed.

[Nori1958]

Not all plans succeed. It's not about having a plan. Every club has a plan. Luton and Sheff U both have a plan.

There's might included relegation as a probable

[Nori1958]

Does make you wonder what the string of add ons are in the Trafford deal.

I mean seen as some keep using the fee that it could eventually reach makes you wonder if there was a 5m add on if we won a game with him. Either that or some have an agenda.

The initial fee was low

None of the add ons have kicked in yet

[claretonthecoast1882]

The initial fee was low

None of the add ons have kicked in yet

I agree none of the add ons will be anywhere close to kicking in yet but for some it seems that in the hope of making their case stronger they have decided to add them on now.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Some people appear to be absolutely desperate for this club to fail with its transfer policy

Strange outlook to have

[FCBurnley]

The initial fee was low

None of the add ons have kicked in yet

Were they per save then ?

[boyyanno]

Some people appear to be absolutely desperate for this club to fail with its transfer policy

Strange outlook to have

Show me one.

[aggi]

Some people appear to be absolutely desperate for this club to fail with its transfer policy

Strange outlook to have

I think some are trying to balance out some of the wildly unrealistic optimism. When we signed Trafford for instance there were fans (some on the Beehole End podcast for instance) who were of the view that he'd already doubled in value.

[boyyanno]

I think some are trying to balance out some of the wildly unrealistic optimism. When we signed Trafford for instance there were fans (some on the Beehole End podcast for instance) who were of the view that he'd already doubled in value.

No that's far too balanced it can't be correct. I'm waiting for Sidney to confirm which fans are up in arms at the small success we have had. I'll keep waiting because he was speaking rubbish as per.

[JimmyRobbo]

Only had a year left on his contract I think.


Traffords current value is probably around 500-k to £1m if you were to sell him next week. I’d be amazed if anyone would give over that amount. Ramsey 2-300k , I dread to think how much he has cost , does anyone know?

Come on! Be serious.

We've offloaded players who were not rated anywhere near as highly or with anywhere the upside and pedigree for much more than that. They may not sell, at present, for what we paid but they will before their contracts expire.

We seem to be in panic mode among our fan base. I'm really not sure why the weak will. We are miles better than under Coyle and Dyche promotion teams. AND we have a squad with attacking flair abundant in reserve. Give it chance to settle and see where we are.

Note: We sold Collins for more than we paid despite a very mediocre season. Dwight went for big money after a 'poor' season.

[Nori1958]

Were they per save then ?

That adds so much to the debate, thank you

[StayingDown4Ever]

I think some are trying to balance out some of the wildly unrealistic optimism. When we signed Trafford for instance there were fans (some on the Beehole End podcast for instance) who were of the view that he'd already doubled in value.

The Beehole End podcast.

Someone on here the other day said that a player had gone up £5,000,000 in value because it said so on some transfer website. It’s like saying your house has shot up in value because Zoopla says it’s worth so much.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think some are trying to balance out some of the wildly unrealistic optimism. When we signed Trafford for instance there were fans (some on the Beehole End podcast for instance) who were of the view that he'd already doubled in value.

Some claim he’s doubled
Others claim he’s worth half a million quid now

Both claims are from extremists

Those of us who’re sensible know that he will settle down and we will make a profit, same as we did with Collins

I’ve said it before, we will sell several players from this group for over £20 million, some will go for £30-40 million.

Some don’t like to hear it, because they’d prefer to take a hit so they can pull out the “I told you so” stuff because they don’t like the owners etc

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No that's far too balanced it can't be correct. I'm waiting for Sidney to confirm which fans are up in arms at the small success we have had. I'll keep waiting because he was speaking rubbish as per.

Yeah ok, pot kettle

You can see the fans who don’t think the current transfer strategy is going to work and they don’t want it to work

If you can’t see that, then maybe you’re in that group

I’ve spoken sense for ages in regards to the club, how it can grow and transfer spend/return etc

I want it to succeed and I can see it working as we speak

[CoolClaret]

Some people appear to be absolutely desperate for this club to fail with its transfer policy

Strange outlook to have

I certainly don't wan't it to fail but I think we're being a bit wreckless.

I think that's fair? It's exciting times but we still have a lot of inexperience all around the club at the minute - not that they aren't talented or smart or have a plan but clubs don't particularly do what we do and have continued success.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I certainly don't wan't it to fail but I think we're being a bit wreckless.

I think that's fair? It's exciting times but we still have a lot of inexperience all around the club at the minute - not that they aren't talented or smart or have a plan but clubs don't particularly do what we do and have continued success.

Define continued success
Then compare our owners to the club you’re thinking of when you say continued success

If you say Brighton I’m just going to laugh
Same with Brentford

We’re doing this because we had an aged squad and a large number left

We rebuilt with youth last season, smashed the league & this time round we’ve had to get some more in

It’s ongoing, will evolve and we will see some more losses
It’s not ideal but those same players will bring in more than they cost because they’re still going with bags of potential

Koleosho will go for close to £20 million next summer if he continues to excite and clubs come in for him

Foster for more than that if he carries on

If we have more going for big money it covers the inevitable duds we will get

People will, of course, sit here complaining about this process but we’re not going to buy PL experience for big money, we can’t do it, but we can give players PL experience and see how they develop whilst here before moving on for big money

If we go back down then so be it, it’s just a part of the journey

[evensteadiereddie]

Excellent post.

[CoolClaret]

Define continued success
Then compare our owners to the club you’re thinking of when you say continued success

If you say Brighton I’m just going to laugh
Same with Brentford

We’re doing this because we had an aged squad and a large number left

We rebuilt with youth last season, smashed the league & this time round we’ve had to get some more in

It’s ongoing, will evolve and we will see some more losses
It’s not ideal but those same players will bring in more than they cost because they’re still going with bags of potential

Koleosho will go for close to £20 million next summer if he continues to excite and clubs come in for him

Foster for more than that if he carries on

If we have more going for big money it covers the inevitable duds we will get

People will, of course, sit here complaining about this process but we’re not going to buy PL experience for big money, we can’t do it, but we can give players PL experience and see how they develop whilst here before moving on for big money

If we go back down then so be it, it’s just a part of the journey

We added youth last season yep and had a good balance.

Not all our stand out performers were young signings that would go on for profit like - Roberts, Brownhill, Cullen, JBG, Barnes, JayRod... In fact the ones that were - Zaroury, Benson have barely had a kick this year!

We will see on Koleosho, hopefully, I don't think he should be starting over Anass though, or getting on the field over him.

Not asking to buy a ton of PL players, i'm questioning buying so many youngsters that all play similar positions and not bringing in one or two older heads!

[boyyanno]

Yeah ok, pot kettle

You can see the fans who don’t think the current transfer strategy is going to work and they don’t want it to work

If you can’t see that, then maybe you’re in that group

I’ve spoken sense for ages in regards to the club, how it can grow and transfer spend/return etc

I want it to succeed and I can see it working as we speak

No I can't see fans that don't want it to work and neither can you. It's pretty easy isn't it, show me some? Show some posters saying that they have that sentiment?

You just don't like the fact people have a different opinion than you, thats literally it.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Come on! Be serious.

We've offloaded players who were not rated anywhere near as highly or with anywhere the upside and pedigree for much more than that. They may not sell, at present, for what we paid but they will before their contracts expire.

We seem to be in panic mode among our fan base. I'm really not sure why the weak will. We are miles better than under Coyle and Dyche promotion teams. AND we have a squad with attacking flair abundant in reserve. Give it chance to settle and see where we are.

Note: We sold Collins for more than we paid despite a very mediocre season. Dwight went for big money after a 'poor' season.

I can’t believe I have read on here that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m , who is going to pay that??? I bet Alan hopes they are right. Has someone in their house spiked their water with lsd?

Collins had a solid season despite a couple of mistakes and you could tell instantly he was a good player.

These youngsters are ok but not for starting matches if we have any ambition to stay in the league. Keep them in u21 games if we want them to get better, its a bit insulting asking £60 to watch someone who might become good eventually.

[taio]

I can’t believe I have read on here that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m , who is going to pay that??? I bet Alan hopes they are right. Has someone in their house spiked their water with lsd?

Collins had a solid season despite a couple of mistakes and you could tell instantly he was a good player.

These youngsters are ok but not for starting matches if we have any ambition to stay in the league. Keep them in u21 games if we want them to get better, its a bit insulting asking £60 to watch someone who might become good eventually.

Who has said that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m? I agree with you that would be unlikely. But what's utterly absurd is you saying Trafford is worth £0.5m - £1m and Ramsey £200k - £300k.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Who has said that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m? I agree with you that would be unlikely. But what's utterly absurd is you saying Trafford is worth £0.5m - £1m and Ramsey £200k - £300k.

Newcastle thinks we will make a mint on him.

Ok if you were a club how much would you want to offer right now if you were to put in a bid for them, bearing in mind the way they are both playing right now with their associated stats/fan ratings?

[taio]

Ok if you were a club how much would you want to offer right now if you were to put in a bid for them, bearing in mind the way they are both playing right now with their associated stats/fan ratings?

Right now? The transfer window is closed. But if it wasn't multiples of your stupid valuations.

[Carwin261]

Who has said that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m? I agree with you that would be unlikely. But what's utterly absurd is you saying Trafford is worth £0.5m - £1m and Ramsey £200k - £300k.

Be better loaning him out and getting Peacock -Farrell back I think at the present time his experience would be more positive than negative and let Trafford play some championship football for a season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Newcastle thinks we will make a mint on him.

Ok if you were a club how much would you want to offer right now if you were to put in a bid for them, bearing in mind the way they are both playing right now with their associated stats/fan ratings?

Don’t think I ever said 40m?

I compared him to Ramsdale going for 8m profit in 11 months at Sheffield

[Newcastleclaret93]

Be better loaning him out and getting Peacock -Farrell back I think at the present time his experience would be more positive than negative and let Trafford play some championship football for a season.

You really want PF in the premier league?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Right now? The transfer window is closed. But if it wasn't multiples of your stupid valuations.

So £3-4m?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Be better loaning him out and getting Peacock -Farrell back I think at the present time his experience would be more positive than negative and let Trafford play some championship football for a season.

Send him to championship and play Muric init.

[Carwin261]

You really want PF in the premier league?

Not particularly, however he’s played international football against some of the best teams in the world and I think his distribution was quite good last season,and didn’t leave half the spectators wetting themselves when he had the ball.

[taio]

Be better loaning him out and getting Peacock -Farrell back I think at the present time his experience would be more positive than negative and let Trafford play some championship football for a season.

Not possible.

[taio]

So £3-4m?

Nope

[Carwin261]

Send him to championship and play Muric init.

Deffo the best idea but VK seems loathed to play Muric.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Deffo the best idea but VK seems loathed to play Muric.

Hates the best keeper we have its mind boggling, team is suffering big time, just get him back in!

[Carwin261]

Not possible.

If we don’t he’ll be playing championship football next season anyway.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Deffo the best idea but VK seems loathed to play Muric.

I swear half of this board didn’t watch Muric at all last season. He’s not even remotely close to Trafford’s level

[boyyanno]

Hates the best keeper we have its mind boggling, team is suffering big time, just get him back in!

To be fair those valuations you have put on those two players (Ramsey and Trafford) are an absolute embarrassment.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Nope

90% reduction in value over 8 games, 20 to go , might leave on a free if he plays any worse.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

To be fair those valuations you have put on those two players (Ramsey and Trafford) are an absolute embarrassment.

How much would you say they are worth?

[CoolClaret]

I swear half of this board didn’t watch Muric at all last season. He’s not even remotely close to Trafford’s level

Troll

[JimmyRobbo]

I can’t believe I have read on here that Trafford will be sold next summer for £40m , who is going to pay that??? I bet Alan hopes they are right. Has someone in their house spiked their water with lsd?

Collins had a solid season despite a couple of mistakes and you could tell instantly he was a good player.

These youngsters are ok but not for starting matches if we have any ambition to stay in the league. Keep them in u21 games if we want them to get better, its a bit insulting asking £60 to watch someone who might become good eventually.

Yup. Fair enough. I think I agree with pretty much all of that.