Brentford v Burnley match thread.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm

claretgimmer wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm
So if Bournemouth get three past us next week will it be official then that we really are just s poor poor side with a manager who sadly looks so far out his depth at this level at this stage of his career

It’ll be because Bournemouth have 11 letters in their name, and we only have 7.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm
Change the manager please this is stupidity now

Seriously

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm

We have problems ........................

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm
May well have been, but he’s also made some big saves to keep the score to just the 3.

Yes he’s young and I’ve no doubt he will be a good keeper at this level, but VK isn’t helping him

No doubt about it that VK isn't helping him or many others.
Some strange goings on at the moment. Don't recall any big saves, a couple he should of saved

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 pm

The foes list has really had a boost on here today. Can’t be doing reading some of the bed wetting posts. There are clues - e.g. people still slating Trafford when he has saved 7 shots on target.

hoskinsgoalatswansea · Post by **hoskinsgoalatswansea** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

Everything about that was awful. Defending(just didn’t bother), creativity(practically nothing), finishing (open goal), game plan(what was it?)

Absolutely f’ing dire!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

Kompany has serious questions to answer about the money he has wasted.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm
We have problems ........................

Big

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:01 pm
Seriously

Most clueless display since cotterill

Oldparkwood · Post by **Oldparkwood** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:31 pm
Because it's idiotic calling for Kompany to be sacked. That's why.

It’s idiotic thinking that this team is good enough in its present state.
Something has to change and quickly
Kompany has become very stubborn and if not careful could be his down fall

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:53 pm
How does Muric get a game?

Try him in centre mid - he can't be any worse

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm

What have these 3 in common?
Kompany
Lampard
Rooney

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Feel sorry for the travelling fans they need refunding

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:59 pm
He doesn’t, people will understand if it comes out.

Anything like how Dyche chinned Weghorst and throttled Cornet at Barnfield then smashed a pub on a pissup with Duncan Ferguson?
Love people talking in cryptic riddles spreading negative nonsense rumours about our players especially anyone out of favour. Cracking.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm

tom210 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm
It’s idiotic thinking that this team is good enough in its present state.
Something has to change and quickly
Kompany has become very stubborn and if not careful could be his down fall

Who thinks the team is good enough in its present state?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm

Some really silly comments on here.
£90million euros net spent! Plenty of teams we are playing could spend that on one player.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:06 pm

You can try and be positive all you want. But in 7 games this season (and albeit against some excellent sides), we haven't even looked like getting close to a point. We can't rely on only getting points against 6 or 7 sides. We are along way away from things clicking

Although I still think we will pick up 7 points in our next 5 games, 11 from 14 is really worrying

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm
Some really silly comments on here.
£90million euros net spent! Plenty of teams we are playing could spend that on one player.

We’ve just made Brentford, a team we should be competing with look like cruyff Barcelona

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:07 pm

Colin's free

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm
Some really silly comments on here.
£90million euros net spent! Plenty of teams we are playing could spend that on one player.

It’s not about the money, it’s about the nature of our defeats. We are very easy to beat and we’re finding it hard to score goals.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm
Try him in centre mid - he can't be any worse

Also his natural position tbf

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

spt_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm
Anything like how Dyche chinned Weghorst and throttled Cornet at Barnfield then smashed a pub on a pissup with Duncan Ferguson?
Love people talking in cryptic riddles spreading negative nonsense rumours about our players especially anyone out of favour. Cracking.

Bummed his wife by the looks of it and sent him pics in a dm!

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

It’s so depressing that there is no fight in the side

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:09 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 pm
The foes list has really had a boost on here today. Can’t be doing reading some of the bed wetting posts. There are clues - e.g. people still slating Trafford when he has saved 7 shots on target.

Did you actually watch it?

They weren't saves like Nick has pulled out on the regular, or Heaton at Old Trafford to deny Ibrahimovich.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:10 pm

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
It’s not about the money, it’s about the nature of our defeats. We are very easy to beat and we’re finding it hard to score goals.

Actually quite a few posts are about the money, and it's nearly always £100 million that's quoted (inaccurately)

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:12 pm

We can’t beat the press and then we don’t press the opposition when they play out from the back . We are far to easy to play against.

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:14 pm

Some good news comes out from today.
Vinny won’t be leaving us for City anytime soon.

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:14 pm

Stu wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:12 pm
We can’t beat the press and then we don’t press the opposition when they play out from the back . We are far to easy to play against.

And that is down to the coaching

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:14 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 pm
The foes list has really had a boost on here today. Can’t be doing reading some of the bed wetting posts. There are clues - e.g. people still slating Trafford when he has saved 7 shots on target.

I agree. The narrative has some people so wrapped up in it that the good things he does are just dismissed. I think he needs taking out of the firing line though and Muric given a run. He's got mistakes in him. Just not into this incessant blame game aimed at him. He has a woeful defence in front of him.

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:15 pm

We are weak in the tackle all over the park, the only player who seems capable of winning headers with any conviction in both boxes is Foster (so many times our defenders barely clear the box when defending crosses).

We don't have a Rodri clone so when we turn the ball over we are so vulnerable to the counter attack.

We commit bodies forward but our retention of the ball is so poor in attacking situations, this is therefore where we are most at risk.

There is enough talent but the basics aren't being done correctly, often enough, it's so obvious that other teams know exactly how to deal with us and more importantly hurt us.

I have said Al- Dakhil should partner Beyer but I am changing my mind very quickly, we have to look at getting Ekdal and Beyer together and drilling the back four to work as a unit without the ball rather than placing the emphasis on what they do with it.

Build a base and then use the attacking talent to try to pick up points, twenty three goals conceded in nine games won't see us picking anything up.

I'm still confident we can stay up but the process has to change as well as avoiding defeat next Saturday.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:16 pm

Still only 1 point off safety, so we move onto Bournemouth now! Utc

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:19 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:09 pm
Did you actually watch it?

They weren't saves like Nick has pulled out on the regular, or Heaton at Old Trafford to deny Ibrahimovich.

Our best 2 modern day keepers at the top of their game against a young lad thrown into the action a bit early.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:19 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 pm
The foes list has really had a boost on here today. Can’t be doing reading some of the bed wetting posts. There are clues - e.g. people still slating Trafford when he has saved 7 shots on target.

Yea but according to some they were saved he was expected to make

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:19 pm

Is VK capable of turning this around
He starts the season from a weak position with poor recruitment in the summer - we ended up with quantity over quality
His team selection varies every game - even taking into account injuries
His tactics (today being a classic example) just don't fit with our strengths, never mind the opposition
Our only hope is that there are three other teams looking as weak as us
Bournemouth away will not decide the final outcome but it will go a long way to offer any glimpse of hope
And not just to the supporters but also to the players themselves
And maybe even the Directors

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:20 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:09 pm
Did you actually watch it?

They weren't saves like Nick has pulled out on the regular, or Heaton at Old Trafford to deny Ibrahimovich.

So because they were saves he’s expected to make, he shouldn’t make them?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:19 pm
Our best 2 modern day keepers at the top of their game against a young lad thrown into the action a bit early.

Nick Pope had played pretty much the same amount of games as Trafford when he debuted for Burnley.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:20 pm
So because they were saves he’s expected to make, he shouldn’t make them?

No not at all - but there's more to goalkeeping than saving shots right?

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:23 pm

Trafford is not the problem. He made some good saves (10 shots on target) First goal he could have perhaps done better but not the 2nd and third. The problem was sloppiness and bad decisions. For the next game I’d like to see Cork, Rodriguez, and Brownhill starting to add more experience. Shoot when you get a chance instead of tippy tapping around in the penalty area. Learn how to do set pieces! Sloppy risky passes - stop!

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:24 pm

What’s perhaps most disappointing today is that Kompany had 2 weeks to review what’s gone well and what hasn’t etc. then decides to play that 11. It’s so naive.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:24 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm
Nick Pope had played pretty much the same amount of games as Trafford when he debuted for Burnley.

In a higher league at an older age and had had time with the team prior to learn the system required

claretgimmer · Post by **claretgimmer** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:27 pm

I just feel VK needs to re-think his plans, he needs to find a settled starting 11 ish, he needs to find a system of play that suites the players and not keep persisting with trying to get the players playing how he would like which they`re obviously not comfortable doing at this time, your not Pep G and we`re not Man City smell the coffee Vinny and do the right thing before it becomes too late. UTC

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:28 pm

On the plus side I thought Tresor was a bit better today..despite being played on the wrong flank..again. He at least looked interested.......

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:28 pm

Two things are wrong (but they're big things!)
1. We simply aren't good enough defensively, particularly at CB, no matter who's available or who we pick.
2. We have a large number of excellent Championship players who can absolutely boss any opposition in that division, BUT they can't make the (admittedly very large) step up to the PL Cullen, Brownhill, Al Dakil and Roberts being the first 4 who come to mind, but they're by no means the only ones.
We'll go down for sure and it's how we plan and regroup from that which is the most crucial thing going forward.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:29 pm

Just returned to the hotel.

I said yesterday I’d not heard any booing on games - strike that.

So apart from being dreadful in defence and unable to score, what’s the problem?

Nothing wrong with the away fans atmosphere, just the team who royally ****** it up.

Oldparkwood · Post by **Oldparkwood** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:29 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm
Who thinks the team is good enough in its present state?

You by the sounds of it! Calling people idiots. It’s an opinion and everyone is entitled to it
So you think Kompany will keep us up do you? With the way that it’s going
I certainly don’t so he needs to change something or be changed himself.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:31 pm

Alan get on to fat Sam, take him for a Chinese and do it tonight!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:31 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm
Nick Pope had played pretty much the same amount of games as Trafford when he debuted for Burnley.

26 or so, wasn't he?

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:05 pm
Some really silly comments on here.
£90million euros net spent! Plenty of teams we are playing could spend that on one player.

I say again, we’d have been better off spending that money on the loanees from last season. I simply can’t understand why we bought so many similar players . If it is to showcase them and make money it isn’t working while, for example, Zaroury’s value (which was looking like £40m last season) diminishes with every game he doesn’t play.

At the moment, VK has no clue what his best side is and looks like he’s struggling for a plan B having realised his players aren’t good enough for plan A. For me, he still has plenty of credit left in the bank, but he needs to work out who his best players are, play them in their best positions and make some more pragmatic signings in January.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:33 pm

Martin Keown just said we look like a youth team trying to carry out the Managers instructions. Trafford, he said should look at times to play the ball long, it’s not working from the back.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:33 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:31 pm
26 or so, wasn't he?

Experience > Age

Wazza had played 5 years of senior football by age 21

Jude Bellingham looking the same after getting mens footy since 16.

Even if you're right, then the question is... Why is he starting?