I'm usually pretty positive

[Elizabeth]

but that is indefensible.

It has certainly started asking questions whether we are going to have enough because it looks on that performance that we are miles away from anything resembling a successful relegation fighting team.
What was it all about, a team of boys assisted by experienced pros who are too slow and one dimensional

[Aclaret]

Said it on another thread but I firmly believe if we’d simply bought THB, Maatsen and Tella when all three were available and in budget and used Benson, Zaroury, Muric etc we’d be mid table from pure riding of the crest of a wave. We only needed to add a bit last summer, could have signed the likes of Odobert, Koleosho and Berge perhaps to supplement it. We needed a replacement for Cork either way though, that’s the massive miss.

Nailed it....too many changes.

[Vegas Claret]

What was it all about, a team of boys assisted by experienced pros who are too slow and one dimensional

I think that's the issue, I'm struggling to see what we are trying to do. 3 or 4 changes every game - how are they supposed to build relationships on the pitch when it's a different bloke next to them every game ?

[CrosspoolClarets]

The inexperience is also on the bench and that takes time.

Let’s compare to Thomas Frank.

When already having more coaching experience than Vinny or Bellamy he then spent 2 years as Brentford assistant boss in the Champ, another 2 years getting them promoted, and has had another 3 years in the Premier League.

That is slow, progressive growth. It is obvious our “reset” in moving from Dyche has us behind that curve. But it will come. There are 3 worse sides in this league and a 4th, Everton, face a possible points deduction. Doing it in this league unlike Brentford means some torrid times, but also experience, staying up isn’t vital, whereas building long-term is.

[Vegas Claret]

well, at least VK isn't dressing it up

""It’s simple...it’s not good enough"

[DCWat]

What would you change DC, I'm keen to know.Too many people's arse falling out,after a bad start.

With what we have available, it’s looking like a very tricky one.

I’d probably bring Cork back in for now alongside Cullen, and I might even be tempted to play Berge on the right with instruction to come inside and make us more solid, when out of possession.

We have a wealth of attacking options on the flanks but I don’t think we have the foundation to allow us to use them, as we probably want to or get the most out of Amdouni.

I don’t know if Cork is up to it or not, I just know that we need to try something to make us less vulnerable and give us a platform to build from. His experience could play a key role.

Anything to limp through to January with a few more points in the bag and a chance to add to the squad and hopefully, avoid relegation.

Attracting players when we look nailed on for relegation won’t be easy. In an ideal world, we’d be bringing in a centre half, two full backs, at least one defensive central midfielder and a striker.

Quite why we have so many gaps in the squad, having spent so much, I wish I knew.

[ksrclaret]

well, at least VK isn't dressing it up

""It’s simple...it’s not good enough"

Well at least that’s something

I was worried he’d come out with more tripe about learning when it’s obvious we’re not learning a thing

Time for VK himself now to show he’s good enough and address things. Pick the most experienced team we’ve got, ask them to play football only when in their half, and ask them to give their all. Go from there and see where it takes us.

[bfcjg]

I'm positive City won't be coning in for him.

[Ampth7]

Sadly, I think it’s fair to say we are f***ed………. for this season anyway!

[bumba]

I do agree with you though Bumba, id have Muric, Ekdal, Beyer, Benson and Zaroury in this team instantly. The problem is 3 of them are injured.

I'm not sure what's gone on with Ekdal he never seemed to get a look in towards the end of last season but there's an arguement to be had to say he's our actual best defender as far as defending is concerned

[KRBFC]

I'm not sure what's gone on with Ekdal he never seemed to get a look in towards the end of last season but there's an arguement to be had to say he's our actual best defender as far as defending is concerned

Muric
Roberts Ekdal Beyer Taylor
Cullen Berge Brownhill
Benson Foster Zaroury

I get it from a cohesion point but it does look a little weak. It’s a weird one because I think Amdouni is our best player but where does he fit in. We’ve signed some really good players, that would be one hell of a talented subs bench.

[warksclaret]

You want to stay positive then see a performance like that. The away supporters are probably some of the more balanced ones in our fan base but listening to them tonight coming out of the match you can see how let down they are starting to feel. If you need further evidence of how little the players seemed to care was emphasised by the way they disappeared down the tunnel without even acknowledging our presence and support today. I thought the support the team got today was excellent throughout. Only Josh ran over and gave his shirt away and applauded us. Kompany needs to have a word and in fact should have dragged the players over to us

Disappointed with VK-he is not learning, and we should be learning more from each defeat. What I could have told him today was that you cannot play a TWO in CM of Berge and Cullen, if so Brownhill or even Cork need to make it a THREE. Berge is not aggressive enough defensively and if he starts needs to be advanced. I have seen enough of Koleosho to know his dribbling skills are great but absolutely no end product. His goal miss was an absolute sitter and could have changed the game.Tressor is lazy and does not warrant a start. He was going to be our dead ball kicker but today took 4 dreadful corners. TodaVK he put Larsen on who looked bright then replaced him. This is the third recent game a sub has gone on and replaced almost immediately. I will back VK all the way as I feel its the only option but he must learn from 7 defeats and to start playing players who help secure us the points, and then needs to give this team a run rather than tinker every week.There were a lot of retired people like me today and families with their kids having spent time and money get there so we need to see a manager and team thats united and giving 100%.We can all take losing , but not in that way as today

[CoolClaret]

I'm not surprised we are struggling but I'm surprised in the manner of it, I'm surprised at how quickly VK pushed aside players despite himself saying it takes so long to learn his system.
Surely the sensible option would be to persist with the team who know the system ride the wave of momentum then buy your your potential and ease them in?

It’s the option that anyone with half a brain thought was sensible.

Keep the team together (as much as possible), then one or two smart additions.

By all means take a chance on a few youngsters from Europe but bed them in slowly; ridiculous to Chuck them in from the off and expect them to be up to speed/tenacity of the English game.

[ksrclaret]

Just watching the highlights back on MOTD

We are absolutely bloody hopeless at every aspect of the game. Absolutely horrifying display.

[Anonymous Claret]

Muric
Roberts Ekdal Beyer Taylor
Cullen Berge Brownhill
Benson Foster Zaroury

I get it from a cohesion point but it does look a little weak. It’s a weird one because I think Amdouni is our best player but where does he fit in. We’ve signed some really good players, that would be one hell of a talented subs bench.

Agree with most of this. As anything it's subjective but I would go with Trafford rather than Muric. The back 4, midfield 3 and Foster I completely agree with. As for the widemen I wouldn't be averse to Zaroury and Benson but I wouldn't be too disappointed if JBL or Koleosho started. I am really hoping that Tresor can come good sometime soon also.

[Carwin261]

I think we need JBG and Cork back asap .

[Ric_C]

Also O'Shea is a disaster of a signing. Everytime he plays we ship at least 3 goals

[ClaretPete001]

Some of the happy clappers have gone rogue on this thread...

[KRBFC]

I think we need JBG and Cork back asap .

Gudmundsson is another player from last season that’s injured.

[SydneyClaret]

Looks like the boards in meltdown. Onwards and upwards. We go on.

[Belgianclaret]

I agree yesterday was a terrible performance.

The worrying thing for me was that we were not only outmuscled but also outpaced at times.

Anyhow, we need to do with what we have at the moment, so let's stick with the lads.

Remember we once had a real stinker at Hull under Dyche, then went on a long unbeaten run to win promotion.

Two wins on the trot and things can look a lot different.

But we do need more steel and experience, that's for sure, so the best we can hope for is that this is addressed in January

[beddie]

I agree Belgianckaret but to do that fundamental changes have to be made with the starting 11 which means he needs to take that bold step and do it.

[Healeywoodclaret]

The inexperience is also on the bench and that takes time.

Let’s compare to Thomas Frank.

When already having more coaching experience than Vinny or Bellamy he then spent 2 years as Brentford assistant boss in the Champ, another 2 years getting them promoted, and has had another 3 years in the Premier League.

That is slow, progressive growth. It is obvious our “reset” in moving from Dyche has us behind that curve. But it will come. There are 3 worse sides in this league and a 4th, Everton, face a possible points deduction. Doing it in this league unlike Brentford means some torrid times, but also experience, staying up isn’t vital, whereas building long-term is.

Staying up isn’t vital? Maybe not to the fans, but to the owners who have shelled out big to get all these youngsters in, it will be. They are business men.

[Shaggy]

There’s a few things which stand out to me. Berge and Amdouni cannot play in the same team as their best positions are the advanced centre mid, neither of them is any use defensively. I don’t particularly rate Brownhill at this level but he or Cork have to play alongside Cullen and actually give him some help.

Central defence is badly missing Beyer who not only is relatively switched on defensively he’s also comfortable taking the ball and driving forward with it. We are missing that which is vital to our style of play. Ekdal also needs to come straight back in when available as AAD is just to naive and not comfortable on the ball.

We need 2 new fullbacks in January, Trafford needs dropped and sent on loan to a championship side.

Brunn Larsen also needs to be starting, he’s our best winger that I’ve seen this season in terms of end product.

Attacking wise I think we are ok and with more control of the ball in midfield.

If we are way off the pace come Xmas time then we really should be planning for the championship next year in January.

Picking up points in the next period are crucial.

If VK continues with the scatter gun approach and playing certain players regardless then we may aswell resign ourselves to the championship next year anyway.

[gandhisflipflop]

Also O'Shea is a disaster of a signing. Everytime he plays we ship at least 3 goals

I’m not a fan of his but I thought he did the better of the 2 defenders yesterday. AAD had another shocker.

[deanothedino]

Need Ekdal and Beyer back desperately. I thought the idea of Cork playing was desperate but he genuinely couldn't do worse than what we saw today.

I can’t remember a game in our last two full seasons where we haven’t been a better side because Cork has played.