How many games would you give the manager?

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:17 am

We won't sack Kompany, nor should we. It would cost far too much, anyway.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:14 am
Why should he? Did a great job last season to get them up. Saved them from big financial issues. Fa cup semi final. I hate this rhetoric that managers should be sacked after a few poor results (after delivering significant success). Sheff have the 2nd worst squad in the league, sold their 2 best players.

Because they have played 9 games and have 1 point.

He should rightly be sacked, their fan base have been asking for his head for about 3-4 games already.

Loyalty only gets you so far, they need to start picking up results quickly or they will be gone by February and be in an even worse financial position.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:17 am
We won't sack Kompany, nor should we. It would cost far too much, anyway.

Tbf it will cost less than relegation.

If they can sack Dyche 5 months after giving him a bumper contract they can sack anyone

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:24 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am
Because they have played 9 games and have 1 point.

He should rightly be sacked, their fan base have been asking for his head for about 3-4 games already.

Loyalty only gets you so far, they need to start picking up results quickly or they will be gone by February and be in an even worse financial position.

They won’t be in an even worse financial position at all (compared to where they would have been without promotion). That’s where you are wrong or not getting it. They could barely pay bills last season. Regardless he deserves far more time than 9 games.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:26 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:24 am
They won’t be in an even worse financial position at all (compared to where they would have been without promotion). That’s where you are wrong or not getting it. Regardless he deserves far more time than 9 games.

He’s basically had a quarter of the season. I don’t get your logic at all, Sheffield are on target to break Derbys record. They need a change rapidly before it’s too late.

What sense is there giving him another 5-6 games.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:27 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am
Tbf it will cost less than relegation.

Always assuming whoever replaces VK manages to avoid the drop.

Then we have a large payoff for Vinny and a large new contract for the new bloke.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:32 am

Not sure what BFS is doing but he'd probably take it on as a short term challenge.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:33 am

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:27 am
Always assuming whoever replaces VK manages to avoid the drop.

Then we have a large payoff for Vinny and a large new contract for the new bloke.

Yes fair point

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:33 am

I don’t believe VK will be sacked and rightly so in my opinion. I believe he will be given time to turn this around and if we go down, to then have another go at getting us back up.

In the meantime, we have to try to support the team the best we can and avoid the all too easy booing and toxicity that often ensues losing games. We need to win 10 more games and I still believe we can do that, but no doubt about it, we need to dramatically improve and quick!

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:36 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:26 am
He’s basically had a quarter of the season. I don’t get your logic at all, Sheffield are on target to break Derbys record. They need a change rapidly before it’s too late.

What sense is there giving him another 5-6 games.

The logic is that Sheff Utd have the second worst squad in the league. It’s expected that they go down. They wouldn’t be in this league without him and would instead be in financial difficulties.

Your point on the owners sacking Dyche is different to Kompany too. Dyche had 9 years here and it had gone stale. They believed the squad was capable of playing better than they were doing. Right now Kompany has recruited this entire team and we are in this division thanks to him.

Forest could have sacked Cooper at various points of last season (to say he spent 150m they weren’t good for a while) but held their nerve, stood by the man who got them there and it paid off.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:39 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:36 am

Forest could have sacked Cooper at various points of last season (to say he spent 150m they weren’t good for a while) but held their nerve, stood by the man who got them there and it paid off.

Regarding Cooper, he realised the way they were playing at the start of last season was doomed to failure and he completely changed tactics.

A very similar fork in the road for VK to face.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:54 am

EDIT - duplicate

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:55 am

it’s also worth pointing out Cooper has spent a lot more than VK on fees and salaries and we probably should have beat them a few weeks back. And his tactics saw them throw away a two goal lead against Luton (who we beat).

Terry Cochrane · Post by **Terry Cochrane** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:58 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:32 am
Not sure what BFS is doing but he'd probably take it on as a short term challenge.

I presume your tongue is firmly planted into your cheek but you never know without the use of emojis these days.

Terry Cochrane · Post by **Terry Cochrane** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:00 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:39 am
Regarding Cooper, he realised the way they were playing at the start of last season was doomed to failure and he completely changed tactics.

A very similar fork in the road for VK to face.

And what were those tacticsl changes Cooper made. Bearing in mind he had a squad of 29 new players to choose at the start of the season and took time to get to know and play with each other.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:03 am

Terry Cochrane wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:58 am
I presume your tongue is firmly planted into your cheek but you never know without the use of emojis these days.

The first thing he'd do is start from the back but it's a silly idea because defensively no problems exist.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:12 am

When Bournemouth potted O'Neil and replaced him with Iraola I remember reading what a top appointment because he had done well at Vallecano there are rumours he could be sacked as soon as today.

Perhaps we should get him in to replace Kompany.

**This isn't serious just joining in with the stupidity

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:14 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:12 am
When Bournemouth potted O'Neil and replaced him with Iraola I remember reading what a top appointment because he had done well at Vallecano there are rumours he could be sacked as soon as today.

Perhaps we should get him in to replace Kompany.

**This isn't serious just joining in with the stupidity

Tbf I think most on this board were amazed they potted him

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:14 am

northeastclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:48 am
A big point being missed here , if we go down continuing to lose and play as we are things will become so toxic I am sure he would to choose to leave himself, even if the club and most fans wanted him to remain next season.

He signed a new long term contract .

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:51 am

I’m still in disbelief we are having this discussion. From the best season of my lifetime to questioning whether he needs to go or not 9 games later, unbelievable,

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am
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Loyalty only gets you so far

Yeah 3-4 games without a win and you wanted VK gone

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:54 am

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:51 am
I’m still in disbelief we are having this discussion. From the best season of my lifetime to questioning whether he needs to go or not 9 games later, unbelievable,

It’s the usual crew, best ignored.

Do wonder why Newcastle even bothers to support us. Every achievement is tempered, every negative is amplified. It’s bizarre.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:05 am

we are a work in progress slowly but surely i hope Vincent and is backroom staff can turn it round if not i don't think it will be a disaster if we go down to hopefully bounce back , but it's early days but it needs addressing.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:12 am

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:54 am
It’s the usual crew, best ignored.

Do wonder why Newcastle even bothers to support us. Every achievement is tempered, every negative is amplified. It’s bizarre.

What achievement is tempered?

It was great season last year. But unfortunately we are not in the championship anymore.

I am not even asking for VK to go yet. But I believe things have to chance quickly or he will have to be moved on

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:21 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:12 am
What achievement is tempered?

It was great season last year. But unfortunately we are not in the championship anymore.

I am not even asking for VK to go yet. But I believe things have to chance quickly or he will have to be moved on

Last season - pretty much widely agreed a wonderful achievement, whereas you just highlight how awful the league is constantly.

You’re obsessed with him getting sacked, you have been for a few weeks. It’s really weird.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:26 am

Sack would be madness.

Think this delusion of fielding half a new XI every season of young lads from across the continent and expecting smooth sailing needs to end though.

I wouldn’t be against a D.O.F. but I’m not sure Vk would want that

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:26 am

The big question is how many games will the board give the manager. After watching the documentary I think ALK have put all there eggs into Vinnie's basket and id be surprised if they potted him this season regardless of a relegation.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:38 am

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:32 pm
Woah. Financially it could well be devastating.

We said that last time.

It wasn’t then and won’t be again.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:40 am

Rather get rid of the ‘owner’ of the board.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:40 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:38 am
We said that last time.

It wasn’t then and won’t be again.

We didn’t have unpaid player payments to the tune of 70+ mill or so on players tbf - and a lot at the end of their contracts

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:44 am

Cannot believe the way some fans are turning after last season.

Criticism is certainly due of Kompany. No issue with that. Some of his tactics (with the players at his disposal), team selection and summer signings look baffling (notwithstanding we don’t really know who else we tried to sign).

But to answer the OP - 38 + any cup games. And keep him even if we go down. If we become a team that chops and changes every time we have a run of results then we’ll be on a big old spiral downwards.

We need to back him and this team more than ever and all season. But also Kompany and his team need a good look inwargly at tactics, team selection and creating the right balance at this level.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:47 am

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:40 am
We didn’t have unpaid player payments to the tune of 70+ mill or so on players tbf - and a lot at the end of their contracts

We were in a far worse situation last time we went down for that reason.

We’ll be fine.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:50 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:44 am
Cannot believe the way some fans are turning after last season.

Criticism is certainly due of Kompany. No issue with that. Some of his tactics (with the players at his disposal), team selection and summer signings look baffling (notwithstanding we don’t really know who else we tried to sign).

But to answer the OP - 38 + any cup games. And keep him even if we go down. If we become a team that chops and changes every time we have a run of results then we’ll be on a big old spiral downwards.

We need to back him and this team more than ever and all season. But also Kompany and his team need a good look inwargly at tactics, team selection and creating the right balance at this level.

It is always the same, the angriest and noisiest don't even go to games. I genuinely don't understand why some of them don't watch a different game at 3pm on a Saturday.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:53 am

Will add to my above post that although there were barely any positives to take from Brentford, I’d argue one would be that our corners all went in the box.

That offers me some hope that lessons are being learned, and a more pragmatic approach is being taken.

I’m fine with mistakes. Our manager is young and will make them, just like young players make mistakes, but I’d like to see those acted on.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:55 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:22 am
Tbf it will cost less than relegation.

If they can sack Dyche 5 months after giving him a bumper contract they can sack anyone

Hi, Newcastle. I reckon he'll keep us up. If he were to go, who would you get?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:55 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:50 am
It is always the same, the angriest and noisiest don't even go to games. I genuinely don't understand why some of them don't watch a different game at 3pm on a Saturday.

It’s very true. The fanbase online on here are not representative of the fanbase as a whole.

Who is generally say are far more considered, patient and sensible.

I would say the manager and team need our support more than ever now.

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:00 pm

In the Dyche era we could, generally, defend, but if we went a goal down we would struggle to get it back.
We need that defensive stability, and that is a system.
Just put round pegs in round holes.
We have forwards who can hurt the opposition, we need to stay in games and counter attack.

In Vinnie I trust, he is (hopefully) learning.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:00 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:50 am
It is always the same, the angriest and noisiest don't even go to games. I genuinely don't understand why some of them don't watch a different game at 3pm on a Saturday.

I wish they would.....or just stop posting, though its half term...things could get worse

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:02 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:55 am
It’s very true. The fanbase online on here are not representative of the fanbase as a whole.

Who is generally say are far more considered, patient and sensible.

I would say the manager and team need our support more than ever now.

They do but they have to stop acting like they’re hard done to.

I can’t take players jogging and heads down when conceding.

Heading down the tunnel after a **** performance rather than acknowledging the travelling fans (Brownhill and a few aside)?

Shocking imo

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:16 pm

TopCat wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:00 pm
In the Dyche era we could, generally, defend, but if we went a goal down we would struggle to get it back.
We need that defensive stability, and that is a system.
Just put round pegs in round holes.
We have forwards who can hurt the opposition, we need to stay in games and counter attack.

In Vinnie I trust, he is (hopefully) learning.

I can't see that he's learning anything, if he was he'd have brought muric back by now. Do that one thing, he'd lift the fans and not least the players instantly, instead the owners advertise for a drummer ffs, as if their blaming the fan's for the downturn in results.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:27 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:55 am
It’s very true. The fanbase online on here are not representative of the fanbase as a whole.

Who is generally say are far more considered, patient and sensible.

I would say the manager and team need our support more than ever now.

Fully agree NC, but as we saw with SD times runs out. I go to a number of away games as home games are 350 mile round trip. I think we agree the away fans are generally the most balanced, patient and considered amongst our fan base. Coming away from Brentford I noticed an unhappiness, and anger I have not seen or heard for several seasons. Maybe it was the manner in which we played but this appeared to be more down rooted

For me I am happy to persevere with VK, as I think a new manager trying to get a tune out of such an unbalanced and unexperienced squad would struggle immensely. The players owe VK something back as he has had the courage and confidence to buy and play them, and I hope VK and his backroom staff soon find the best 11 from a very unbalanced squad, and a plan to minimise goals conceded and chances taken. We were guilty at both ends on Saturday and had Koleosho taken the open goal we might just had an amazing finish

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:38 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:21 am
Last season - pretty much widely agreed a wonderful achievement, whereas you just highlight how awful the league is constantly.

You’re obsessed with him getting sacked, you have been for a few weeks. It’s really weird.

The league is awful but that doesn’t diminish how great a plus 100 point season is. I actually the league is even worse this season.

No obsessed at all. He’s got to start learning and making changes though or he will need to be moved on. I think most people are just saying that he won’t make Christmas if performances stay the same.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:44 pm

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:55 am
Hi, Newcastle. I reckon he'll keep us up. If he were to go, who would you get?

Totally depends on the situation the club finds itself in (ie is there enough time for manager to come in and make a difference or will it be the same as last time where it’s the last handful of games).

If there’s plenty of time I would love Ruben Amorim, probably one of the best young managers that hasn’t quite had the publicity heights on Nagelsman.

If not Will Still would certainly be an interesting option. He had a remarkable season last year and looks to have continued the development of the team.

Totally unrealistic shout but potentially Graham Potter is looking for a two year project to build his reputation back up.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:53 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:44 pm
Totally depends on the situation the club finds itself in (ie is there enough time for manager to come in and make a difference or will it be the same as last time where it’s the last handful of games).

If there’s plenty of time I would love Ruben Amorim, probably one of the best young managers that hasn’t quite had the publicity heights on Nagelsman.

If not Will Still would certainly be an interesting option. He had a remarkable season last year and looks to have continued the development of the team.

Totally unrealistic shout but potentially Graham Potter is looking for a two year project to build his reputation back up.

No point talking about projects here if we are happy to discuss a successful manager departing after 9 games

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:08 pm

The way I see it we have played 3 games in which I would have expected some sort of result, all 3 away from home. Out of those we won 1, drew 1 and lost 1. Its not all bad.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:13 pm

Reading some comments on threads from over the weekend It's like that lad who gets dumped by a girl at school and first thing he mutters is "never fancied her anyway"

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:30 pm

SydneyClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:08 pm
The way I see it we have played 3 games in which I would have expected some sort of result, all 3 away from home. Out of those we won 1, drew 1 and lost 1. Its not all bad.

We have had home games against 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th and 10th. All top half and probably even bigger / better clubs than that stat suggests.

Our four away games include the team in 6th.

The other three games all away are W1, D1, L1.

It the club panics now, or at any point in the next 10 games, it deserves to sink down the leagues and never return.

There are things to sort but luckily they are obvious and fixable, Vincent will fix them. You are right, others need to give their heads a sharp wobble. The trouble is, the dimmest people are the ones who shout loudest during a tough run of fixtures and this message-board is getting full of them.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:32 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:00 pm
I wish they would.....or just stop posting, though its half term...things could get worse

Do middle aged and elderly chaps still get half term off ? ( And I fall into that description btw

)

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:33 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:13 pm
Reading some comments on threads from over the weekend It's like that lad who gets dumped by a girl at school and first thing he mutters is "never fancied her anyway"

You can understand the young spotty kid thinking that.....but these are allegedly grown adults spouting this rubbish, and not only about the manager, but picking what they think is a better side, but containing 3 injured players ,yet expect us to bow to their greater football knowledge

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:35 pm

We have to remember we have only played TWO teams this season that wont finish outside the 10 in the entire league !!!!! and what was those results ?

Forest Away - 1-1

Luton away - 1-2

4 points from 6 !!!!! in 2 away matches

BUT
We don't look solid, we don't look good defensively or tactically and were clueless on our best 11 - but as above even that said we are doing brilliantly in the mini league we know we are in so far, just think if we start clicking in areas.

What we cant seem to accept "because we have VK and were Burnley" is that any team destined for the top 10 in this league has no right to be superior to us and give us a lesson and a hiding on a regular basis ? This post was not rife after the point at Forest ? this post was not rife after the away win at Luton ?