How many games would you give the manager?

[Rileybobs]

We have to remember we have only played TWO teams this season that wont finish outside the 10 in the entire league !!!!! and what was those results ?

Forest Away - 1-1

Luton away - 1-2

4 points from 6 !!!!! in 2 away matches

BUT
We don't look solid, we don't look good defensively or tactically and were clueless on our best 11 - but as above even that said we are doing brilliantly in the mini league we know we are in so far, just think if we start clicking in areas.

What we cant seem to accept "because we have VK and were Burnley" is that any team destined for the top 10 in this league has no right to be superior to us and give us a lesson and a hiding on a regular basis ? This post was not rife after the point at Forest ? this post was not rife after the away win at Luton ?

You think that Brentford will finish in the top ten?

[CrosspoolClarets]

You think that Brentford will finish in the top ten?

They are in the top 10 based on expected goals scored and conceded, and the point of that stat being popular is things tend to revert to the mean, so yes, they should finish top 10 again. All this talk of having reserves in is nonsense, they have a few, as do we, but Mbuemo has been on fire with 5 goals now in 9 games and started nearly every game last season. It was only Toney and the two fullbacks, their other players are interchangeable.

We are lucky we have had this crazy run of fixtures to start because it gives us time to work things out. As long as he is given time, hence the replies to this thread along those lines.

[CoolClaret]

They are in the top 10 based on expected goals scored and conceded, and the point of that stat being popular is things tend to revert to the mean, so yes, they should finish top 10 again. All this talk of having reserves in is nonsense, they have a few, as do we, but Mbuemo has been on fire with 5 goals now in 9 games and started nearly every game last season. It was only Toney and the two fullbacks, their other players are interchangeable.

We are lucky we have had this crazy run of fixtures to start because it gives us time to work things out. As long as he is given time, hence the replies to this thread along those lines.

They literally had half their first team out - it isn't 'nonsense'.

Mbeumo bagged a few penalties and is playing well but lets not pretend he's some world beater christ

[kenyon6923]

Plus if they do not sell him Toney back at Xmas

[Rileybobs]

They are in the top 10 based on expected goals scored and conceded, and the point of that stat being popular is things tend to revert to the mean, so yes, they should finish top 10 again. All this talk of having reserves in is nonsense, they have a few, as do we, but Mbuemo has been on fire with 5 goals now in 9 games and started nearly every game last season. It was only Toney and the two fullbacks, their other players are interchangeable.

We are lucky we have had this crazy run of fixtures to start because it gives us time to work things out. As long as he is given time, hence the replies to this thread along those lines.

Difficult to see who in the current top ten Brentford will displace.

It doesn't really matter if they're in the top ten on expected goals, that's not how a league table works. And being below expected goals means that a team is missing more chances than they should - this doesn't necessarily mean that the players missing these chances will become better finishers as the season progresses.

Anyhow, it's neither here nor there, but I don't think I'd be classing Brentford as one of the top ten teams in the league.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I just wonder who anyone thinks we would get in instead with the ability to do better?

[claretonthecoast1882]

I just wonder who anyone thinks we would get in instead with the ability to do better?

We would deserve Brian Laws

[ŽižkovClaret]

We would deserve Brian Laws

i guess the "best" we would hope for would be Pardiola

[JR1882]

It will be interesting to see what happens at/after Xmas if we don’t improve. Alan has stated Vinny is the man, new 5 year contract etc but he’s a businessman and we have invested heavily.

He caught everyone off guard sacking Dyche when it became obvious we wouldn’t be staying up - he is potentially going to have the same scenario on his hands in a few months time.

[Boss Hogg]

I just wonder who anyone thinks we would get in instead with the ability to do better?

I remember people saying this about Dyche when we were suffering the poor football. Jackson did better and then Kompany last season.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I remember people saying this about Dyche when we were suffering the poor football. Jackson did better and then Kompany last season.

Tbh im not sure either is a good comparison.

Jackson - Fire fighter and didn't fancy it long term apparently.

Kompany - Did well in the championship. Are we already assuming that he isn't good enough for the PL, and wont become good enough with another 6 months or so?

Personally i think the jury is still out and we need to give Kompany time. We have invested in the "project" too much to cut it loose just yet, with no guarantee that a replacement would be any better.

There have been some moments where i've wondered though, i'll admit that.

[mdd2]

If the club have factored in relgation I would give VK another 29+46 league games and likely another 38 as despite my negativity this season now, these lads are good players but young and unexperienced. They will get better and £££issue apart a settled squad this and next season should make us formidable in 25-26 season, but what do I know?

[kenyon6923]

Were not experienced enough or good enough to play teams off the park in this league - you could go back to the SD style BUT the defence needs to be rock solid and consistent - but if we got that right unlike the SD team we have the legs and pace good enough to counter attack most teams.

[CoolClaret]

Were not experienced enough or good enough to play teams off the park in this league - you could go back to the SD style BUT the defence needs to be rock solid and consistent - but if we got that right unlike the SD team we have the legs and pace good enough to counter attack most teams.

Thing is, we don't need to go 'SD' style; simply having one less attack minded player would make a world of difference and try and play some phases of the game more direct/counter attacking

[CrosspoolClarets]

They literally had half their first team out - it isn't 'nonsense'.

Mbeumo bagged a few penalties and is playing well but lets not pretend he's some world beater christ

Unfortunately this is the level of argument we are dealing with. It makes me wonder at times if people are deliberately running us down. Using words like ‘literally’ despite being factually wrong, and ‘a few’ when it is 2.

The last game of last season Brentford beat Man City 1-0. I accepted the fullbacks Hickey and Henry were out on Saturday, we know about Toney, and they sold their keeper to Arsenal. Apart from that the only three players to start who didn’t start against Man City were Collins (class as we know), and the Danes Jenson and Norgaard. Those two were regular starters last season and are full regular Danish internationals. So apart from the two fullbacks, there is an argument this was a better side than they put out that beat City last season. There is also an argument we were further away from our best XI (e.g. Muric, Ekdal, Beyer, Brownhill, Gudmundsson, Zaroury).

It isn’t just you either - loads of people are pretending this was a rag tag Brentford team bang out of form and with no players.

Let’s at least accept we were beaten away by one of the Premier Leagues better teams on recent evidence (18 mths). I’m fully happy to criticise the performance and selection - just not the opposition.

If we lose this coming Saturday I’ll accept that isn’t the case that time, but we haven’t lost yet.

[CoolClaret]

Unfortunately this is the level of argument we are dealing with. It makes me wonder at times if people are deliberately running us down. Using words like ‘literally’ despite being factually wrong, and ‘a few’ when it is 2.

The last game of last season Brentford beat Man City 1-0. I accepted the fullbacks Hickey and Henry were out on Saturday, we know about Toney, and they sold their keeper to Arsenal. Apart from that the only three players to start who didn’t start against Man City were Collins (class as we know), and the Danes Jenson and Norgaard. Those two were regular starters last season and are full regular Danish internationals. So apart from the two fullbacks, there is an argument this was a better side than they put out that beat City last season. There is also an argument we were further away from our best XI (e.g. Muric, Ekdal, Beyer, Brownhill, Gudmundsson, Zaroury).

It isn’t just you either - loads of people are pretending this was a rag tag Brentford team bang out of form and with no players.

Let’s at least accept we were beaten away by one of the Premier Leagues better teams on recent evidence (18 mths). I’m fully happy to criticise the performance and selection - just not the opposition.

If we lose this coming Saturday I’ll accept that isn’t the case that time, but we haven’t lost yet.

Toney, Mee, Henry, Schade, Damsgaard, Keane-Lewis Potter

I don't think it's 'rag and tag' but it isn't a more expenive side than we have assembled and not only did we lose we got mullered. Non-competitive.

[KRBFC]

I think most people are just saying that he won’t make Christmas if performances stay the same.

Most people? It’s only you on this thread who Is saying that

[KRBFC]

Toney, Mee, Henry, Schade, Damsgaard, Keane-Lewis Potter

I don't think it's 'rag and tag' but it isn't a more expenive side than we have assembled and not only did we lose we got mullered. Non-competitive.

You just named 3 players who don’t start for them. We were missing our best 2 CBs, Gudmundsson and Benson.

[CoolClaret]

You just named 3 players who don’t start for them. We were missing our best 2 CBs, Gudmundsson and Benson.

I don't know what to say, if that's what we're clutching at and accepting as a performance then lets not bother.

Schade was one of their marque signings after coming on loan and the others mentioned are KLP/Damsgaard are players they paid similar to what we have for some of our lot this season.

[Anonymous Claret]

I doubt very much that VK is going anywhere in the near future regardless of results or performances.
I think and hope that Pace will stick by him. After last season he deserves our support and I can't believe this thread has even be raised but then again this is UTC.

[boatshed bill]

Most people? It’s only you on this thread who Is saying that

Daft isn't it.

And remember 2017, Crystal Palace had no points after 7 games and stayed up.

[CoolClaret]

Daft isn't it.

And remember 2017, Crystal Palace had no points after 7 games and stayed up.

(after sacking their purist manager for a more pragmatic one)

[boatshed bill]

(after sacking their purist manager for a more pragmatic one)

Shows it can be done, though.
Points are hard to come by for the bottom 4 or 5 clubs. I see no sense in these almost hysterical suggestions that we should change manager.

[brexit]

Tbh im not sure either is a good comparison.

Jackson - Fire fighter and didn't fancy it long term apparently.

Kompany - Did well in the championship. Are we already assuming that he isn't good enough for the PL, and wont become good enough with another 6 months or so?

Personally i think the jury is still out and we need to give Kompany time. We have invested in the "project" too much to cut it loose just yet, with no guarantee that a replacement would be any better.

There have been some moments where i've wondered though, i'll admit that.

Zukov has a point I am coming around to the idea that the "project" is a financial one not a footballing one. That would explain some of the team choices.

[RicardoMontalban]

Zukov has a point I am coming around to the idea that the "project" is a financial one not a footballing one. That would explain some of the team choices.

I think the “project” being referred to here is one of building a squad of young talent that appreciates in value and can be sold at a profit, thereby funding further squad replenishment. Like it or not, sustainability at the top tier for a club of our size is both footballing and financial considerations.

Suggestions that teamsheet choices, and premier league survival, are down to some shady demands by the owners (which is what I inferred from your comment) is getting into tinfoil hat territory.

[brexit]

I think the “project” being referred to here is one of building a squad of young talent that appreciates in value and can be sold at a profit, thereby funding further squad replenishment. Like it or not, sustainability at the top tier for a club of our size is both footballing and financial considerations.

Suggestions that teamsheet choices, and premier league survival, are down to some shady demands by the owners (which is what I inferred from your comment) is getting into tinfoil hat territory.

I don't think the demands are "shady" on the contrary I think they are explicit. BFC is a business and team selection needs to serve the purpose of increasing the values of our assets. You assets don't appreciate if they are not on view. This could explain why cork and brownhill are not the first names on the teamsheet - they cannot appreciate as assets.

[RicardoMontalban]

I don't think the demands are "shady" on the contrary I think they are explicit. BFC is a business and team selection needs to serve the purpose of increasing the values of our assets. You assets don't appreciate if they are not on view. This could explain why cork and brownhill are not the first names on the teamsheet - they cannot appreciate as assets.

I think the timescales of the project are a bit more long term than that.

[ClaretAL]

I don't think the demands are "shady" on the contrary I think they are explicit. BFC is a business and team selection needs to serve the purpose of increasing the values of our assets. You assets don't appreciate if they are not on view. This could explain why cork and brownhill are not the first names on the teamsheet - they cannot appreciate as assets.

I though i had read it all on here but wow Unbelievable

[Jamesy]

Another 29 League games and however many we have to play in the two cup competitions.

[Stantheman]

I think vk has at least one season in credit because of last seasons outstanding achievement.yet I must say his decisions in the summer transfer window were bewildering.not to sign another proper right or left back and buy an abundance of wide players was a real head scratcher.then to totally dismantle the team at the start and destroy that team spirit was very surprising.i know he had to replace THB maatsen and tella but not playing muric brownhill Zaroury benson(not sure about his injury status) was a i think a bizarre decision.vk is no doubt an outstanding manager but he's in danger of undoing a lot of his outstanding work.

[Quickenthetempo]

https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/statu ... yPNyg&s=19

Wayne Rooney might not last 3 games.

[brexit]

Monday - Jesse Marsch revealed as the new Burnley after the clarets are humiliated at the seaside by Bournemouth 4-0. Joey Barton is also appointed as a knowledgable insider in the Steve Stones role of first team moral guidance councillor.

[brexit]

I though i had read it all on here but wow Unbelievable

Believe it. BFC is a commercial concern, not a community club. The current ownership are here to make money, they are not Saudi Princes who are happy to lose money for global prestige. This may explain many of the tactical decisions being made by VK.

[ClaretAL]

Believe it. BFC is a commercial concern, not a community club. The current ownership are here to make money, they are not Saudi Princes who are happy to lose money for global prestige. This may explain many of the tactical decisions being made by VK.

Put the shandy down mate

[evensteadiereddie]

Another 29 League games and however many we have to play in the two cup competitions.

Agreed - and then next season's Championship games as well.

[Boss Hogg]

The board will determine it based on player value increasing and value to the brand/product along with fan interest. Also they will want to see improvement and belief in what VK is doing. They certainly won’t base it on sentiment as it’s a business as well as a spectacle. No successful business accepts underperformance for long even if historic performance has been excellent.

[bobinho]

For me, he gets this season in its entirety, and if relegated he gets another decent crack at it next season.

If we stay up, he carries on building.

He’s earned it.

[brexit]

Put the shandy down mate

I really love reading this message board. There are so many deluded people on here that don't actually accept the reality that a football club that has been part of their souls for most of their lives is now a financial entity whose values are aligned with Starbucks and Elon Musk and the delusion of BFC being a community club for the fans is at best a rose-tinted delusion.
Be very clear relegation from the EPL will put the club into administration. This is a risk the current board will not take.

[CoolClaret]

I really love reading this message board. There are so many deluded people on here that don't actually accept the reality that a football club that has been part of their souls for most of their lives is now a financial entity whose values are aligned with Starbucks and Elon Musk and the delusion of BFC being a community club for the fans is at best a rose-tinted delusion.

Agreed

Be very clear relegation from the EPL will put the club into administration

Don't agree (at least not immediately)

This is a risk the current board will not take

Unsure. I don't buy any PR coming from Pace/Alk