Kompany: time to go

[Stacks]

But a lot of last years team are either injured (today Beyer, Ekdal, Foster), or we did not sign (THB, Tella, Maatsen), or are a year older, slow and less effective in an infinitely tougher league ie Rodriguez, Cork, Barnes (now at Norwich and not getting in to their team), or suspended (Roberts today) and Cullen next game. That does not actually leave many of last seasons team

What are you talking about?? Barnes was the key to Norwich’s great start and now he is INJURED and they are very poor. He is not due back until after the International break. Don’t make up hogwash

[boyyanno]

Yes I did watch it.
As I already said going over a budget set at the beginning of a season as a result of the money we spent in January is not necessarily as drastic or concerning as people are making out on here. Budgets are fluid and they change as circumstances change - by January promotion was looking a lot more likely than when the budget would have been set on the summer before we even kicked a ball. Other things may have also changed by January in terms of new investors.
Didn’t we spend around £10m in transfer fees in January - after spending around £23m in the summer.

Bearing in mind the money we had brought in from selling players and what we had took off the wage bill with the very realistic prospect of premier league football now imminent it does not sound that much of a risk to me to commit the club to around another £2.5m a year assuming it will have been staggered over 3 or 4 years, It might make for good TV too but we were hardly in a Sunderland type position with our finances when they did their documentary.

"Yes I did watch it"- how come you're saying the club went over budget in January then when it was clear we went over budget in the summer?

[boyyanno]

Yes I did watch it.
As I already said going over a budget set at the beginning of a season as a result of the money we spent in January is not necessarily as drastic or concerning as people are making out on here. Budgets are fluid and they change as circumstances change - by January promotion was looking a lot more likely than when the budget would have been set on the summer before we even kicked a ball. Other things may have also changed by January in terms of new investors.
Didn’t we spend around £10m in transfer fees in January - after spending around £23m in the summer.

Bearing in mind the money we had brought in from selling players and what we had took off the wage bill with the very realistic prospect of premier league football now imminent it does not sound that much of a risk to me to commit the club to around another £2.5m a year assuming it will have been staggered over 3 or 4 years, It might make for good TV too but we were hardly in a Sunderland type position with our finances when they did their documentary.

Also 23m? Wtf are you on about?

[Big Vinny K]

On another you said we'd sell players to raise funds and lower the wage bill but then also said the same players would take us back up.

What are you talking about ?
I said we had already sold players (Cornet, Collins, Dwight, Pope etc) and that the money from this was not being taking into account in this “betting the ranch” stuff.
The money from these sales and the reduction in the wage bill is pretty significant to the ability to spend what we did in the summer is it not ?

Where have I said that we would sell players and lower the wage bill in the future and the same players would take us back up ? Feel free to quote where is said the players that we would sell would then bring us back up even though they don’t play for us. Either post the link or stop making stuff up.

[Big Vinny K]

Also 23m? Wtf are you on about?

The first summer under VK.
Are you saying it’s more than that or are you jumping to this summer now even though you are referring to the documentary and being over budget which was last season ?

[boyyanno]

What are you talking about ?
I said we had already sold players (Cornet, Collins, Dwight, Pope etc) and that the money from this was not being taking into account in this “betting the ranch” stuff.
The money from these sales and the reduction in the wage bill is pretty significant to the ability to spend what we did in the summer is it not ?

Where have I said that we would sell players and lower the wage bill in the future and the same players would take us back up ? Feel free to quote where is said the players that we would sell would then bring us back up even though they don’t play for us. Either post the link or stop making stuff up.

The thread is the Tresor one, you stopped responding because you couldn't.

[boyyanno]

The first summer under VK.
Are you saying it’s more than that or are you jumping to this summer now even though you are referring to the documentary and being over budget which was last season ?

It wasnt 23m, I've just added them up. Amazing that someone who is such a highly educated finance professional can't add numbers together.

[Big Vinny K]

The thread is the Tresor one, you stopped responding because you couldn't.

Just post the link of where I said what you alleged.
ie that we could sell players, reduce the wage bill and then the players we sold would get us back up.

It’s a simple request - post the link where I said what you are now lying about.

[Big Vinny K]

It wasnt 23m, I've just added them up. Amazing that someone who is such a highly educated finance professional can't add numbers together.

Aaah bless.
Sorry I must have forgot the compound interest.

[boyyanno]

Just post the link of where I said what you alleged.
ie that we could sell players, reduce the wage bill and then the players we sold would get us back up.

It’s a simple request - post the link where I said what you are now lying about.

Your post below: please pay attention to what you say in the last line.

Saying we should be a big player in this league because one summer of spend is just completely ignoring the facts of our own financial transformation and that of all the other clubs too.
There are too many examples of clubs spending more than us and still struggling to lift but a few recent ones where clubs either got relegated or very nearly did include Fulham, Forest and Sheffield United.
How many of those clubs in the season prior to spending a £100m plus lost their best players ?
How many of those clubs in the season before reduced their wage bill by anywhere near the amount we did ?

I know when it comes to Burnley there is a myopic view from some fans but you have to look at what other clubs have done as everything is relative in the premier league.
There is no doubt about it that the league is changing very quickly in terms of the wealth of the big 7 or 8 clubs, the wealth of the next 6 or 7 clubs and then those few left which are fallen further and further behind and will often be left scrapping our relegation.
Of course there’s always the odd exception and we have been one under Dyche but the exceptions are becoming fewer and the gap bigger.

Spending £100m in one transfer window may seem astronomical for Burnley - but it’s nothing now in this league and especially when so little has been spent in previous years.

It’s the first old Harry Redknapp transfer strategy for most clubs - if you throw enough cash at it 1 out of every players you but might turn out good !! As a club that won’t work for us so if we have got it wrong this window it’s going to be hard (oh and being relegation does not equate to getting it wrong if we go back up next years and the players develop)

[boyyanno]

Aaah bless.
Sorry I must have forgot the compound interest.

Imagine trying to mock someone else when you can't add up

[Big Vinny K]

Your post below: please pay attention to what you say in the last line.

Saying we should be a big player in this league because one summer of spend is just completely ignoring the facts of our own financial transformation and that of all the other clubs too.
There are too many examples of clubs spending more than us and still struggling to lift but a few recent ones where clubs either got relegated or very nearly did include Fulham, Forest and Sheffield United.
How many of those clubs in the season prior to spending a £100m plus lost their best players ?
How many of those clubs in the season before reduced their wage bill by anywhere near the amount we did ?

I know when it comes to Burnley there is a myopic view from some fans but you have to look at what other clubs have done as everything is relative in the premier league.
There is no doubt about it that the league is changing very quickly in terms of the wealth of the big 7 or 8 clubs, the wealth of the next 6 or 7 clubs and then those few left which are fallen further and further behind and will often be left scrapping our relegation.
Of course there’s always the odd exception and we have been one under Dyche but the exceptions are becoming fewer and the gap bigger.

Spending £100m in one transfer window may seem astronomical for Burnley - but it’s nothing now in this league and especially when so little has been spent in previous years.

It’s the first old Harry Redknapp transfer strategy for most clubs - if you throw enough cash at it 1 out of every players you but might turn out good !! As a club that won’t work for us so if we have got it wrong this window it’s going to be hard (oh and being relegation does not equate to getting it wrong if we go back up next years and the players develop)

And how does that remotely say anything like what you have lied about me saying ?

The bit about Redknapp is me saying that Burnley do not have the resources to do what he did every single transfer window. It also says that relegation might not be a the end of the world if we get promoted the season after and those players we have bought last summer develop and improve as a result of their experience of both relegation and hopefully getting promoted back to the league.

Why you would equate that to me saying we can sell players, reduce the wage bill and those players we had sold could get us back up is strange but feel free to carry on making stuff up.

[Big Vinny K]

Imagine trying to mock someone else when you can't add up

Yep imagine.
But feel free to list the players we bought and their transfer fees so we can see what number you get it to.

[DocSavage]

Absolutely not

[boyyanno]

And how does that remotely say anything like what you have lied about me saying ?

The bit about Redknapp is me saying that Burnley do not have the resources to do what he did every single transfer window. It also says that relegation might not be a the end of the world if we get promoted the season after and those players we have bought last summer develop and improve as a result of their experience of both relegation and hopefully getting promoted back to the league.

Why you would equate that to me saying we can sell players, reduce the wage bill and those players we had sold could get us back up is strange but feel free to carry on making stuff up.

If you go back to the thread you'll see my response- the one you couldn't answer. All the context is there, you're just trying to murky the water.

You were clear in your points, you don't think relegation is a problem because we will sell players and reduce the wage budget and bring in revenue.

But you also think those players will take us back up.

[boyyanno]

Yep imagine.
But feel free to list the players we bought and their transfer fees so we can see what number you get it to.

Im guessing school is closed today, if you wait until Monday I'm sure someone else will help you add up

[Big Vinny K]

If you go back to the thread you'll see my response- the one you couldn't answer. All the context is there, you're just trying to murky the water.

You were clear in your points, you don't think relegation is a problem because we will sell players and reduce the wage budget and bring in revenue.

But you also think those players will take us back up.

“I was clear in my points’ even though I have never said once what you have lied that I have said ?
Ok - that’s not weird of you at all.

Where did I say I think those players will take us back up ? I have not seen anywhere near enough of them to make such a prediction so not sure why you are lying again.
I said that if we got relegated it would not be the end of the world if those same players got us promoted and improved and developed as presumably they would be a bit more ready for the premier league then.
Is that not something you would hope for either ? Or have you already made your mind up from 10 games that none of them are good enough to get us promoted from the championship either ?

You seem to be making out that I am coming out with wild comments about our finances or the quality of players when all I am saying is that relegation may not be the financial disaster that you are saying if we got promoted. I don’t know if you are writing off the new players after 10 games or not as not good enough - and all I am saying is that whilst right now they don’t look good enough for this league that does not mean they won’t improve and develop and be good enough to get us promoted again next year.
Which one of us is over reacting here ?

[Big Vinny K]

Im guessing school is closed today, if you wait until Monday I'm sure someone else will help you add up

Oh the old school closed today one…..so witty and original.
And a lol from yourself too…..pat yourself on the back.

When you have stopped laughing at your own jokes why don’t you actually post what you think our spend was in that summer and list the players and transfer fees - we can all then see how wide off the mark my figures were

[boyyanno]

I was clear in my points even though I have never said once what you have lied that I have said ?
Ok - that’s not weird of you at all.

Where did I say I think those players will take us back up ? I have not seen anywhere near enough of them to make such a prediction so not sure why you are lying again.
I said that if we got relegated it would not be the end of the world if those same players got us promoted and improved and developed as presumably they would be a bit more ready for the premier league then.
Is that not something you would hope for either ? Or have you already made your mind up from 10 games that none of them are good enough to get us promoted from the championship either ?

You seem to be making out that I am coming out with wild comments about our finances or the quality of players when all I am saying is that relegation may not be the financial disaster that you are saying if we got promoted. I don’t know if you are writing off the new players after 10 games or not as not good enough - and all I am saying is that whilst right now they don’t look good enough for this league that does not mean they won’t improve and develop and be good enough to get us promoted again next year.
Which one of us is over reacting here ?

What wild comments about finances have I made?

You mean pointing out that you were wrong about the 23m or the fact you were wrong about us being over budget only in January?

Are you getting confused with posters or somthing?

You've just made the same point again, that you think if we go down that this group of players will develop and be good enough to secure promotion. I don't disagree with the point that IF they all stayed together then they might be, but I'm struggling to understand why you think they will be?

And I'm struggling to understand that because you've posted multiple times saying you aren't worried about relegation because Pace will reduce the wage bill and bring in revenue like he did last year.

How can you have both? How can you sell to raise money but have those same players develop to get us up? It's not possible is it.

The only possibility is if you think we won't sell if we go down- and quite frankly if that's your opinion then it's bonkers given we would be selling some even if we stayed up.

[Jakubclaret]

Imagine trying to mock someone else when you can't add up

Plenty about that will pull you up on your grammar whilst struggling to spell their way out of a paper bag so the mathematical conundrum comes as no real shock.

[Big Vinny K]

What wild comments about finances have I made?

You mean pointing out that you were wrong about the 23m or the fact you were wrong about us being over budget only in January?

Are you getting confused with posters or somthing?

You've just made the same point again, that you think if we go down that this group of players will develop and be good enough to secure promotion. I don't disagree with the point that IF they all stayed together then they might be, but I'm struggling to understand why you think they will be?

And I'm struggling to understand that because you've posted multiple times saying you aren't worried about relegation because Pace will reduce the wage bill and bring in revenue like he did last year.

How can you have both? How can you sell to raise money but have those same players develop to get us up? It's not possible is it.

The only possibility is if you think we won't sell if we go down- and quite frankly if that's your opinion then it's bonkers given we would be selling some even if we stayed up.

Are you having some kind of breakdown ?

You are saying I have said things multiple times when I have never once said what you are saying.
WTF is up with you ?

I have not got a clue whether they are good enough - I said after 10 games I don’t think they are good enough for the PL.

How hard is it to understand that I have said that if we got relegated and promoted the year after I do not think it would be the end of us financially ?
That does not mean I am saying that I think we would - I have no idea as unlike you I cannot judge a bunch of very young players that I have seen play less than a dozen times. Saying they are not good enough to get promoted from the championship is as stupid as me saying I think they will be world beaters.

And once again you have said that I have said Pace will reduce the wage bill and sell players if we get relegated - a complete lie but how many times on this thread have you said that now ?
And then you add to that lie with another lie by saying that I have said that the players that I said Pace would sell (just to remind you again I did not say that) would help us get promoted even though we have sold them.

You are fecking barmy.

[boyyanno]

Are you having some kind of breakdown ?

You are saying I have said things multiple times when I have never once said what you are saying.
WTF is up with you ?

I have not got a clue whether they are good enough - I said after 10 games I don’t think they are good enough for the PL.

How hard is it to understand that I have said that if we got relegated and promoted the year after I do not think it would be the end of us financially ?
That does not mean I am saying that I think we would - I have no idea as unlike you I cannot judge a bunch of very young players that I have seen play less than a dozen times. Saying they are not good enough to get promoted from the championship is as stupid as me saying I think they will be world beaters.

And once again you have said that I have said Pace will reduce the wage bill and sell players if we get relegated - a complete lie but how many times on this thread have you said that now ?
And then you add to that lie with another lie by saying that I have said that the players that I said Pace would sell (just to remind you again I did not say that) would help us get promoted even though we have sold them.

You are fecking barmy.

You have said you think we would be okay financially though, and you used Alan Paces reduction in the wage budget as evidence.

You can keep pretending you have or haven't or whatever but I'm worried about your mental health I really am.

[boyyanno]

Are you having some kind of breakdown ?

You are saying I have said things multiple times when I have never once said what you are saying.
WTF is up with you ?

I have not got a clue whether they are good enough - I said after 10 games I don’t think they are good enough for the PL.

How hard is it to understand that I have said that if we got relegated and promoted the year after I do not think it would be the end of us financially ?
That does not mean I am saying that I think we would - I have no idea as unlike you I cannot judge a bunch of very young players that I have seen play less than a dozen times. Saying they are not good enough to get promoted from the championship is as stupid as me saying I think they will be world beaters.

And once again you have said that I have said Pace will reduce the wage bill and sell players if we get relegated - a complete lie but how many times on this thread have you said that now ?
And then you add to that lie with another lie by saying that I have said that the players that I said Pace would sell (just to remind you again I did not say that) would help us get promoted even though we have sold them.

You are fecking barmy.

Also where have I said people aren't good enough? It's like you think my opinion is doom and gloom- it isn't.

I just think if we go down we will sell players, and if we sell them they won't be here to get us promoted. You think differently and you've doubled down on it above.

I still don't understand how you think we will be financially okay without selling players, and I don't understand how those same players can take us back up if sold.

Hardly rocket science is it.

[Big Vinny K]

Plenty about that will pull you up on your grammar whilst struggling to spell their way out of a paper bag so the mathematical conundrum comes as no real shock.

It’s funny how you just jump on to threads to weigh in with comments like this.
You do not even have a clue what it is you are agreeing with him about do you ?
If you did you would be able to tell us all exactly what we spent on transfer fees in the 2022 summer window and list the fees by player.
So now you can either frantically Google this to try and prove some kind or point or preferably you STFU.

[boyyanno]

It’s funny how you just jump on to threads to weigh in with comments like this.
You do not even have a clue what it is you are agreeing with him about do you ?
If you did you would be able to tell us all exactly what we spent on transfer fees in the 2022 summer window and list the fees by player.
So now you can either frantically Google this to try and prove some kind or point or preferably you STFU.

He's agreeing we didn't spend 23m last summer which is true.

You seem a bit put out that you got it wrong so why don't you find the figures?

[Big Vinny K]

You have said you think we would be okay financially though, and you used Alan Paces reduction in the wage budget as evidence.

You can keep pretending you have or haven't or whatever but I'm worried about your mental health I really am.

I have said that I think we could be ok financially if we relegated and then promoted at the first attempt.
And I say that because we were ok financially when we just got relegated and promoted and that was with a much higher wage bill of £92m.

I have never said I believe we would get promoted. And I never said that last season either given I’d hardly seen any of last years new players play either.

I used Alan Pace’s reduction in the wage bill last season to form an opinion about our finances and ability to cope with relegation. Just like you are using what you think you know to form this betting the ranch opinion. The accounts have not been published which evidence any of this either way.

It doesn’t matter what I say now - you have clearly made your mind up that I have said that Pace will sell players if we go down, reduce the wage bill and that I think the players we have sold will miraculously still play for us and get us promoted.

And you are worried about my mental health ?!!!
LOL !

[Big Vinny K]

He's agreeing we didn't spend 23m last summer which is true.

You seem a bit put out that you got it wrong so why don't you find the figures?

Nope it was you who said that number was wrong and have never said what you think the correct number is and how you got to it.

[Cooclaret]

Same old same old posters

Don’t agree with each other; fine, move on. Charge in with the belittling and bullying, not fine

[CoolClaret]

was with a much higher wage bill of £92m.


I used Alan Pace’s reduction in the wage bill last season to form an opinion about our finances and ability to cope with relegation.

Even though it’s been said to you repeatedly that our highest earners left the club either OOC (naturally reducing the wage bill) or buy player sales that had shown they could perform at a decent standard in the PL (far more than what any of ours have shown so far this season) not to mention the likelihood of significant reductions in weekly wages upon relegation that you weren’t having.

Now, relegation last year we probably were only still financing the Weghorst & Cornet transfer from the previous season (maybe some of the Collins transfer).

If we were to be relegated this season we would still have to be financing all of the transfers that we have made this season with reduced revenue stream again.

We’d either have to sell a few - can’t see much profit being made OR gamble again with the same squad to go back up

I can’t see how this isn’t completely self-evident.

[Big Vinny K]

Even though it’s been said to you repeatedly that our highest earners left the club either OOC (naturally reducing the wage bill) or buy player sales that had shown they could perform at a decent standard in the PL (far more than what any of ours have shown so far this season) not to mention the likelihood of significant reductions in weekly wages upon relegation that you weren’t having.

Now, relegation last year we probably were only still financing the Weghorst & Cornet transfer from the previous season (maybe some of the Collins transfer).

If we were to be relegated this season we would still have to be financing all of the transfers that we have made this season with reduced revenue stream again.

We’d either have to sell a few - can’t see much profit being made OR gamble again with the same squad to go back up

I can’t see how this isn’t completely self-evident.

I agree with a lot of the above and I know that a large part of the wage reduction was because the high earners we sold or who were out of contract and walked.
And yes I also know the situation is not the same if we got relegated this time. But it’s also not the same because I do not believe that the wage bill has increased to anywhere near the level of the £92m it was when we got relegated. And whilst this is also partly due to what you have said about getting rid of the big earners i also believe it’s because I think the players we have bought last season and this season are not on (or near) the kind of salaries a lot of the players under Dyche were on.

We won’t know until the accounts are published by how much the wage bill has been reduced and whether this means that we would have to sell players in the season immediately after a relegation. I agree that if we did not go up at the first attempt that there is a god chance we would have to.

In all reality if we stick with VK or even change manager then they will probably want to see some player sales as that seems to be the way VK wants to operate and it would almost definitely be what a new manager would want. And yes we do have an issue then in trying to bring in funds for players who have had a difficult season and are young and inexperienced.

I have never said that I think the players he has bought are good enough.

I’m saying that I do not believe that relegation followed by a promotion is necessarily a financial disaster - and that’s very different from believing that’s what we will do with this set of players (just like I didn’t believe it’s what we would do last season either with a load of players I had never seen kick a ball before)

[yTib]

kompany deserves to the end of this season at least..

there's nowt so fickle as a footy fan.

[DCWat]

kompany deserves to the end of this season at least..

there's nowt so fickle as a footy fan.

Give over with your sticking to the thread title nonsense!

[Ampth7]

kompany deserves to the end of this season at least..

there's nowt so fickle as a footy fan.

I completely agree with this, however, if we continue to be as poor as we have been, and are still stuck on very few points by Christmas/January/February then the pressure may be too much.

I really hope this isn’t the case and hope to God that VK can turn it around so at the very least we are competitive, but therein lies the problem; we are getting beaten up far too easily at the moment.

[Boss Hogg]

I hope Kompany dosent get sacked,wasn't it a 3 year project?
He is such a lovely fella as well,it would be very sad to see him go,let him get on with it and let's see were it takes us

I’m sure the board will make a decision based on what they see on the pitch, the brand keeping positive, the investors/ backers and the financials not because ‘he is such a lovely fella’.

[The Shire Claret]

Kompany deserved to try to take us back up if we do go down

I don’t think we will

[Middle-agedClaret]

It seems there is no topic incapable of reducing at least 2 posters to get into a borefest, nit-picking spat.
It reminds me of the arguments our Victorian forebears had, over searching issues like how many angels would fit on the tip of a needle.
Lads calm down. It really doesn’t matter.
UTC.

[Lowbankclaret]

Maybe not rocket science but your past financial posts on here show anything you suggest to do with finance should be laughed at and ignored

It’s your opinion and that’s ok.
Retired at 55 on the same amount of money I was earning working.

Must have done something right financially.

[Lowbankclaret]

Nobody thought we could replace Dyche and be successful, a league lower and the league was ****** , now were in a higher league we look like we cant even defend a simple cross and header move, the defence are a shambles, all bought by VK.

They were going to spend £30m on Maatsen but i get your general point. We arent cash rich but if he cant get a tune out of this expensively assembled team i dont think Pace's investors will just accept relegation, they'll try to stay up and if that means potting him to try someone else im afraid they will have to do it.

Jesse Marsch is a big no no though just incase your reading Alan

We are ahead of the program by a year, this squad is really young.
Keep VK, if relegated (95% confirmed already) we again walk the Championship.

These players have another year under theirs belts and with maybe an odd CB could stay up next time.

[fidelcastro]

We are ahead of the program by a year, this squad is really young.
Keep VK, if relegated (95% confirmed already) we again walk the Championship.

These players have another year under theirs belts and with maybe an odd CB could stay up next time.

How arrogant is it saying we'll just walk the championship again if relegated?

There will be a firesale if we go down and there are no guarantees that their replacements will be as good even at championship level. You're making a lot of assumptions there.

[Oldparkwood]

Time to go!
What was he thinking when we were on the front foot with 2 minutes to go and he makes a substitution.
My mind baffles

[boatshed bill]

How arrogant is it saying we'll just walk the championship again if relegated?

There will be a firesale if we go down and there are no guarantees that their replacements will be as good even at championship level. You're making a lot of assumptions there.

I'm not sure that there would be a fire sale, and I'm still not convinced we'll go down.

[fidelcastro]

I'm not sure that there would be a fire sale, and I'm still not convinced we'll go down.

What makes you think we'll win a sufficient number of games at this level to stay up?

[jedi_master]

I don’t think it’s arrogance to say if we get relegated we will walk the Championship - we absolutely would, IF we keep Kompany. The difference between the two divisions has never been bigger and our better players are not doing enough to be picked up so I think we’d keep this team together.

[Cornwallclaret]

There’s 4 team’s struggling like us ,only 3 go down…we’ve got to keep going

[fidelcastro]

I don’t think it’s arrogance to say if we get relegated we will walk the Championship - we absolutely would, IF we keep Kompany. The difference between the two divisions has never been bigger and our better players are not doing enough to be picked up so I think we’d keep this team together.

It really isn't as simple as that.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t think it’s arrogance to say if we get relegated we will walk the Championship - we absolutely would, IF we keep Kompany. The difference between the two divisions has never been bigger and our better players are not doing enough to be picked up so I think we’d keep this team together.

Is it though?

The season before ALL three promoted teams stayed up.

Our business has just been shocking - one player that's positively impacted the team in Sander Berge.

[jedi_master]

It really isn't as simple as that.

Perhaps not but it’s my opinion is all

[Lowbankclaret]

I don’t think it’s arrogance to say if we get relegated we will walk the Championship - we absolutely would, IF we keep Kompany. The difference between the two divisions has never been bigger and our better players are not doing enough to be picked up so I think we’d keep this team together.

Agreed, we need to keep together and let these players learn the Premier league.
Go down , come back up with these players having a year in the prem and then a year in the championship.

Because it’s a very young squad.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Christmas shopping , forget all about the hassle of winning a football match.

[boatshed bill]

What makes you think we'll win a sufficient number of games at this level to stay up?

Like I say "I'm not sure we'll go down".
9 wins (preferably beating our closest rivals) and a few draws could be enough.
I have faith that we will improve as the season goes on.