Saleable Assets

[Mixedkompany]

No one as said the younger players won’t be wanted.
I am saying there values are not increasing and that will not help our financial situation in the event of relegation.
The back five ……..good money. Beyer maybe. But more than we paid ? Money hasn’t been wasted …….what is it 7 wingers we have?
No CF cover. No CM replacement. No left back.

[DocSavage]

Maybe it was hidden in plain sight in the documentary when they said the bottom three last season all spent in excess of 100 million and still went down

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

There are some very nice wood panelling and tables in the trophy room.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No one as said the younger players won’t be wanted.
I am saying there values are not increasing and that will not help our financial situation in the event of relegation.
The back five ……..good money. Beyer maybe. But more than we paid ? Money hasn’t been wasted …….what is it 7 wingers we have?
No CF cover. No CM replacement. No left back.

How do you know their values aren’t increasing?
They’re tied into long contracts for starters

You’re unable to justify your claim money has been wasted, you’re just waffling

Just give it up

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Maybe it was hidden in plain sight in the documentary when they said the bottom three last season all spent in excess of 100 million and still went down

https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1721 ... 19490?s=46

[CoolClaret]

Sheff United sold their two best players before the season started, one to us

Showing just as much (arguably more) as we are so far this season!

[dandeclaret]

Apparently the season ended at 6:04pm this afternoon and there aren’t another 27 league games in which our players could put some good performances in and enhance their reputations.

There’s loads of time….. there’s loads of opportunities….. but who is going to provide the much undervalued experience and organisation to allow the flair players to flourish? Losing all of Barnes, Cork, Brownhill, JBG and even THB has been a big blow. Cullen as captain doesn’t even do media duties, let alone anything else. There’s is bags and bags and bags of potential in these youngsters, but the approach and system is failing them.

[agreenwood]

There’s loads of time….. there’s loads of opportunities….. but who is going to provide the much undervalued experience and organisation to allow the flair players to flourish? Losing all of Barnes, Cork, Brownhill, JBG and even THB has been a big blow. Cullen as captain doesn’t even do media duties, let alone anything else. There’s is bags and bags and bags of potential in these youngsters, but the approach and system is failing them.

Agree with this and I said something very similar on the lack of goals thread, but it’s too early to decide that we’ll have no saleable assets next summer.

[CoolClaret]

The fact that some nonsense PR on a second rate doc has now managed to convince large parts of our fanbase to now judge/refer to our players as 'assets' and immediately to think of how much we may or may not sell them for in the future rather than if they're gonna actually give us the best chance of winning a game of football and completely lowering any expectation shows exactly wtf the problem is right now.

[agreenwood]

The fact that some nonsense PR on a second rate doc has now managed to convince large parts of our fanbase to now judge/refer to our players as 'assets' and immediately to think of how much we may or may not sell them for in the future rather than if they're gonna actually give us the best chance of winning a game of football and completely lowering any expectation shows exactly wtf the problem is right now.

I think the number of threads on here and posts on social media on how our squad is performing this season would suggest that there are very few people for whom the saleability of “assets” is the primary concern.

[CoolClaret]

I think the number of threads on here and posts on social media on how our squad is performing this season would suggest that there are very few people for whom the saleability of “assets” is the primary concern.

It’s more or less all one sees now! Pure cope/delusion

‘Well we‘ll be able to get a lot for him in x years’

Depressing! Win a ******* game!

[agreenwood]

It’s more or less all one sees now! Pure cope/delusion

‘Well we‘ll be able to get a lot for him in x years’

Depressing! Win a ******* game!

But you’re suggesting that people have been “brainwashed” to care about future sales over current results/performances. They might be talking about the former, but the volume of vitriol for how this season is going is pretty firm evidence that people care very much about how the season is panning out.

[Carlos the Great]

You’re making the same mistake our recruitment has done this summer - looking at the player and not how they fit the team.

Firstly on Tella - of course he did? Starting to get minutes for the team sat at the top of the Bundesliga

You could say the same thing re Belis about most of our signings ‘no other PL team wanted to sign them’.
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We don’t want to overpay for players apparently only bidding 9m for Tella .::and then .. well I don’t know where to start .:: but we knew Tella .. he knew us .. I am almost positive if we had signed Tella we would have more points scored more goals by now

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The fact that some nonsense PR on a second rate doc has now managed to convince large parts of our fanbase to now judge/refer to our players as 'assets' and immediately to think of how much we may or may not sell them for in the future rather than if they're gonna actually give us the best chance of winning a game of football and completely lowering any expectation shows exactly wtf the problem is right now.

Burnley football club is a business and the players are assets
It’s been that way since the club went professional

Once you cut away all the emotion, those are the facts

[CoolClaret]

Burnley football club is a business and the players are assets
It’s been that way since the club went professional

Once you cut away all the emotion, those are the facts

Well, we may as well not bother then. What's the point if we're just trading 'assets' rather than living and breathing every kick of the ball with players who play for the club? If all we do is slap a price tag on them, where's the heart in that? It's certainly not the Burnley I fell in love with.

That's how it became the most popular sport in the world - it certainly wasn't grown through this mundane business view that the Americans/Oil clubs are doing with the game.

It feels like we're losing our identity, buying into this sterile, sanitised view of football and left wondering why stuff like the atmosphere is pap.

We're there for the love of the club, for the tradition, for the sheer, unadulterated joy (and heartbreak) of the game.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Well, we may as well not bother then. What's the point if we're just trading 'assets' rather than living and breathing every kick of the ball with players who play for the club? If all we do is slap a price tag on them, where's the heart in that? It's certainly not the Burnley I fell in love with.

That's how it became the most popular sport in the world - it certainly wasn't grown through this mundane business view that the Americans/Oil clubs are doing with the game.

It feels like we're losing our identity, buying into this sterile, sanitised view of football and left wondering why stuff like the atmosphere is pap.

We're there for the love of the club, for the tradition, for the sheer, unadulterated joy (and heartbreak) of the game.

That is how it became the most popular sport though

Do you think clubs run on just emotion to get through life?
How can you have such a simplistic view of what’s essentially a business?

[CoolClaret]

That is how it became the most popular sport though

Do you think clubs run on just emotion to get through life?
How can you have such a simplistic view of what’s essentially a business?

Simplistic view? Think it’s you with the simplistic view here and totally overlooking my entire point.

I’m simply arguing that there’s a bit more nuance to it than the balance sheet.

Of course ultimately it’s a business but without fans there ain’t a business and emotion comes into it - we’re humans after all not 1s and 0s!

It became the most popular sport by being built from the ground up spread across the world and the Premier League ultimately building on the back of the football pyramid, the history /tradition all that - because authenticity matters.

My ultimate point is that there’s a bit more to it than squad of playing assets unless the entire purpose of the club is just to buy/sell players for money above anything else.

At that point we cease to be a football club, imo and we’ll be a Watford type. Soulless, plastic etc.

I think as fans we should be talking about who’s going to come in and improve/contribute to the team to maximise the chance of Burnley winning a game, not ‘how much will we be able to get for this player in the future’

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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That is how it became the most popular sport though

Do you think clubs run on just emotion to get through life?
How can you have such a simplistic view of what’s essentially a business?

Simplistic view? Think it’s you with the simplistic view here and totally overlooking my entire point.

I’m simply arguing that there’s a bit more nuance to it than the balance sheet.

Of course ultimately it’s a business but without fans there ain’t a business and emotion comes into it - we’re humans after all not 1s and 0s!

It became the most popular sport by being built from the ground up spread across the world and the Premier League ultimately building on the back of the football pyramid, the history /tradition all that - because authenticity matters.

My ultimate point is that there’s a bit more to it than squad of playing assets unless the entire purpose of the club is just to buy/sell players for money above anything else.

At that point we cease to be a football club, imo and we’ll be a Watford type. Soulless, plastic etc.

I think as fans we should be talking about who’s going to come in and improve/contribute to the team to maximise the chance of Burnley winning a game, not ‘how much will we be able to get for this player in the future’
[/quote]

How did the PL become so marketable?
By signing marketable assets aka players
Then they grew the brand of the league and clubs via signing marketable assets
The assets draw the fans in

Why do you think Real Madrid made a big song and dance about the Galacticos?
To push their brand via signing marketable, big name players

You do have a simplistic view because you’re unable to grasp the fact that clubs are businesses and players are assets

You’re not the only person on here though, who doesn’t understand the world of business when it comes to football and brands, so don’t feel bad about it

The club has to look at which players will improve the club and their transfer value, it’s really that easy to anyone with a business brain

[ecc]

Apparently the season ended at 6:04pm this afternoon and there aren’t another 27 league games in which our players could put some good performances in and enhance their reputations.

I thought I was the only one to have noticed that. When is Spurs' PL trophy award ceremony planned for?

[CoolClaret]

Of course I can grasp that Sid, for Christ sake.

Yeah the club has to do that - no ****. The club also has to figure out the best way to ‘improve the club’ is to get the best possible results on the pitch and have a balanced strategy between for the now and for the future.

Sorry for not having as capable business brain as you, the training for deliveroo drivers must be off the chain these days.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Of course I can grasp that Sid, for Christ sake.

Yeah the club has to do that - no ****. The club also has to figure out the best way to ‘improve the club’ is to get the best possible results on the pitch and have a balanced strategy between for the now and for the future.

Sorry for not having as capable business brain as you, the training for deliveroo drivers must be off the chain these days.

No you can’t though

The club has to buy and sell, that’s the entire business model for most clubs, not just ours and it’s been that way since transfer fees became a thing

The best way to improve the club is to become a go to club for young, exciting players who see us as a stepping stone
We started to do that under Howe/Dyche but then it tailed off.

Without billionaire investment we’re only ever going to be a mid to lower PL club or top end championship club every so often.

That’s another simple fact of life and I suspect that if the current ownerships business model works, they’ll sell us on to someone with big pockets and that only happens if we regularly buy and sell young, exciting players and the clubs overall brand has been grown sufficiently like they’ve been doing these last couple of years because as we all know in this day and age the business brand image is important

As for what I do for a living, I take home more than most every month so keep on taking cheap shots, I’m not arsed

[Rileybobs]

The point CoolClaret is quite obviously making is that from a fan’s perspective, making profit from player sales should be secondary to on-field success. Record breaking financial years aren’t talked about for generations.

[CoolClaret]

The point CoolClaret is quite obviously making is that from a fan’s perspective, making profit from player sales should be secondary to on-field success. Record breaking financial years aren’t talked about for generations.

That’s one important part of my point yes.

The other is that often prioritising potentially maximising sales/profit loss above all can be futile.

Did United get to where they were with their current iteration of finance above football model or because they had 20 + years of constant success, prioritising football above all?

Of course you look to bring players in and if they develop and a daft offer comes in then you should think about selling them but it should absolutely not be the sole priority, imo.

We aren’t this club that has this special formula that no one else does either - if something is new and novel it may look clever but there could be a reason that it isn’t the norm.

Yes Brighton have been successful with an approach but they’re backed by the friggin star lizard himself and absorbed losses for a number of years.

Really boring to have mine/others points completely straw manned like this btw

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The point CoolClaret is quite obviously making is that from a fan’s perspective, making profit from player sales should be secondary to on-field success. Record breaking financial years aren’t talked about for generations.

I know what he’s saying but he’s clearly not getting the point that the club is a business and the players are assets, they always have been and the better the assets the more a club can grow both on and off field

This isn’t rocket science for most, but it is for some

[CoolClaret]

That’s one important part of my point yes.

The other is that often prioritising potentially maximising sales/profit loss above all can be futile and you end up chasing something that should come more naturally

Did United get to where they were in 2012 or so* with their current model of finance above football or because they had 20 + years of constant success, prioritising football above all?

Of course you look to bring players in and if they develop and a daft offer comes in then you should think about selling them but it should absolutely not be the sole priority, imo.

We aren’t this club that has this special formula that no one else does either - if something is new and novel it may look clever but there could be a reason that it isn’t the norm.

Yes Brighton have been successful with a similar approach* but they’re backed by the friggin star lizard himself and absorbed losses for a number of years.

Really boring to have mine/others points completely straw manned like this btw

Couldn't edit last post ^

[CoolClaret]

I know what he’s saying but he’s clearly not getting the point that the club is a business and the players are assets, they always have been and the better the assets the more a club can grow both on and off field

This isn’t rocket science for most, but it is for some

Imagine thinking I can't figure that out

[NewClaret]

https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1721 ... 19490?s=46

The gap in quality between the two leagues is now huge.

We’re very lucky to be in this cycle because we’re we not, promotion to the Prem now is looking really really hard (Ipswich being the current exception to that rule but a long way to go yet).

[Rileybobs]

I know what he’s saying but he’s clearly not getting the point that the club is a business and the players are assets, they always have been and the better the assets the more a club can grow both on and off field

This isn’t rocket science for most, but it is for some

I’m pretty sure everyone knows that.

[spt_claret]

How did the PL become so marketable?
By signing marketable assets aka players
Then they grew the brand of the league and clubs via signing marketable assets
The assets draw the fans in

Why do you think Real Madrid made a big song and dance about the Galacticos?
To push their brand via signing marketable, big name players

You do have a simplistic view because you’re unable to grasp the fact that clubs are businesses and players are assets

You’re not the only person on here though, who doesn’t understand the world of business when it comes to football and brands, so don’t feel bad about it

The club has to look at which players will improve the club and their transfer value, it’s really that easy to anyone with a business brain

You have an awful habit of being exceptionally condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Someone can understand the financial aspect of football,the necessity to balance the books to survive, and also the exceptional greed and profiteering that is increasingly being seen as a viable and attractive lure for sports owners, and not like or agree with reducing that down to the only thing that matters or indeed the main thing.

It's an exceptionally post-1980, antisocial view of the sport and the world that really betrays a total lack of appreciation for the importance of football clubs as a community hub and cultural institution, rather than just a private business. They mean more to people than Walmart does, and it's no surprise that this attitude has grown when the investment and ownership of football has shifted towards more and more profit driven wealthy (or not so wealthy....) investors with no attachment to the community the club represents.

And I say this as someone who's never lived in Burnley but it's plain ignorance to act like the communal aspect isn't deeply important to millions of sports fans, just because it's of less importance now to the governing bodies of the sport and a slew of owners.

Of course it's important the club remains profitable to sustain itself and of course owners care about the commercial aspect if they're in it for money but you'e acting like anyone who disagrees with the notion that that ought to be the priority is stupid or naïve or ignorant, rather than just disagreeing with that attitude. Still, better than some of the short lived accounts who took aggressive shots at people who said this when concerned about the new ownerships financial structure and just sneered that "they own it it's their club now".

[CoolClaret]

You have an awful habit of being exceptionally condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I think it's more the attitude of someone who consistently exhibits the kind of overconfidence found at the peak of the Dunning-Kruger curve

Someone can understand the financial aspect of football,the necessity to balance the books to survive, and also the exceptional greed and profiteering that is increasingly being seen as a viable and attractive lure for sports owners, and not like or agree with reducing that down to the only thing that matters or indeed the main thing.

It's an exceptionally post-1980, antisocial view of the sport and the world that really betrays a total lack of appreciation for the importance of football clubs as a community hub and cultural institution, rather than just a private business. They mean more to people than Walmart does, and it's no surprise that this attitude has grown when the investment and ownership of football has shifted towards more and more profit driven wealthy (or not so wealthy....) investors with no attachment to the community the club represents.

And I say this as someone who's never lived in Burnley but it's plain ignorance to act like the communal aspect isn't deeply important to millions of sports fans, just because it's of less importance now to the governing bodies of the sport and a slew of owners.

Of course it's important the club remains profitable to sustain itself and of course owners care about the commercial aspect if they're in it for money but you'e acting like anyone who disagrees with the notion that that ought to be the priority is stupid or naïve or ignorant, rather than just disagreeing with that attitude. Still, better than some of the short lived accounts who took aggressive shots at people who said this when concerned about the new ownerships financial structure and just sneered that "they own it it's their club now".

Thanks for properly articulating a part of my argument in detail - though I did believe that it would be self-evident for any proper Burnley fan

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You have an awful habit of being exceptionally condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Someone can understand the financial aspect of football,the necessity to balance the books to survive, and also the exceptional greed and profiteering that is increasingly being seen as a viable and attractive lure for sports owners, and not like or agree with reducing that down to the only thing that matters or indeed the main thing.

It's an exceptionally post-1980, antisocial view of the sport and the world that really betrays a total lack of appreciation for the importance of football clubs as a community hub and cultural institution, rather than just a private business. They mean more to people than Walmart does, and it's no surprise that this attitude has grown when the investment and ownership of football has shifted towards more and more profit driven wealthy (or not so wealthy....) investors with no attachment to the community the club represents.

And I say this as someone who's never lived in Burnley but it's plain ignorance to act like the communal aspect isn't deeply important to millions of sports fans, just because it's of less importance now to the governing bodies of the sport and a slew of owners.

Of course it's important the club remains profitable to sustain itself and of course owners care about the commercial aspect if they're in it for money but you'e acting like anyone who disagrees with the notion that that ought to be the priority is stupid or naïve or ignorant, rather than just disagreeing with that attitude. Still, better than some of the short lived accounts who took aggressive shots at people who said this when concerned about the new ownerships financial structure and just sneered that "they own it it's their club now".

Football is an entertainment business, clubs are businesses within that business
Players are assets and always have been
Those assets bring in the customers/fans

People can argue against it all they like, that’s their right/choice but apparently I’m the issue for pointing out the reality of it all
Thats before we mention the people who claim the players have dropped in value and we’ll lose money on most of the squad apparently after just a small number of games

The club has to, and does, look at future assets, what they can bring to the club and what they can potentially be sold for in the future

We can go round in circles about this as much as anyone would like, but quite frankly I suspect there’s little point