Sacking Kompany

[Holtyclaret]

Can’t afford to fire VK even if Pace wanted to. Also can’t afford relegation. What a mess

Don’t think he’ll be sacked nor would I want vk to be sacked but yes we could financially afford to sack him, why couldn’t we?

….. and yes we can afford relegation (great post otherwise )

[helmclaret]

I think it’s quite interesting comparing a starting 11 from last season to this (obvs a few who
played in both)

Muric

Roberts
Ekdal
THB
Maatsen


Cullen
Cork
Brownhill

Tella
Barnes
Benson / Zaroury
—————-
Trafford

Vitinhno
Oshea
Beyer
Taylor

Berge
Gudmunsson
Koleosho
Amdouni

Ramsey
Jay

[Holtyclaret]

Would your boss let you under perform for so long after spending all his budget?

He didn’t spend all his budget

[fidelcastro]

His post match interview is embarrassing.

[warksclaret]

His post match interview is embarrassing.

Have said exactly the same on another post. Telling our fans they have no idea how hard his team works in the week is taking the proverbial. I wish they would show it. With what they are paid its a given. Its clear to me at least 18 other teams are working harder. We have gone from TRULY EXCEPTIONAL to TRULY EMBARRASSING in 5 short months

[ksrclaret]

His post match interview is embarrassing.

"We're at the bottom now so we can't go any lower".

He can stay for as long as wants for me.

[Westleigh]

"We're at the bottom now so we can't go any lower".

He can stay for as long as wants for me.

We could be bottom of the championship this time next year.

[warksclaret]

"We're at the bottom now so we can't go any lower".

He can stay for as long as wants for me.

I think it gets worse than what we have witnessed. We still have every team to play, plus 6 to play twice. My fear is there will be no money in January and that we dont see Foster back for 6 months.Its all very quiet on that front. Dont see us getting a point without him

[fidelcastro]

"We're at the bottom now so we can't go any lower".

He can stay for as long as wants for me.

That had better be sarcasm, or you've really lost it!

[ksrclaret]

That had better be sarcasm, or you've really lost it!

No sarcasm.

I want him to stay and see this project through. We're going to walk the Championship next season. We'd be foolish to sack him. He's far, far bigger than the club itself. We just need to pray he still wants to manage the self-appointed ugliest club around.

Okay you've got me, maybe just a hint of sarcasm.

[AlargeClaret]

Pretty much every club in the 4 divisions and the whole fa pyramid would sack VK if we lose against Sheff Utd next week.

I’d give the plan a little longer and I think we’ll beat SU. As for these loons who are spouting “ we’ll walk the champ next year” For starters we’d need almost another team rebuild .

[Newcastleclaret93]

Berge better than Defour ? Aye alright then.

He’s got a long way to go even carving out a PL career half as good as Westwood - though I think he’s decent.

Koleosho is a good young player but again, I hate people shitting on players that have done really well for us.. there’s things Anass does much better than Luca for a start. You think Koleosho can cross, pass and shoot like Anass? Nah

Amdouni again on what planet are you making this off?

He’s got one goal in 13 in the PL and you’re saying he’s better than anything we’ve put out in seasons that we’ve finished 7th, 10th. It’s just nonsensical.

His post is just complete and utter ********.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No sarcasm.

I want him to stay and see this project through. We're going to walk the Championship next season. We'd be foolish to sack him. He's far, far bigger than the club itself. We just need to pray he still wants to manage the self-appointed ugliest club around.

Okay you've got me, maybe just a hint of sarcasm.

The funny thing is there’s plenty on this board who actually believe this rubbish haha

[CoolClaret]

His post is just complete and utter ********.

I think it's more a wider reflection on how the modern fan views the game and players, heavily influeced by social media/highlights/tik tok nonsense and what not.

Thinking a few nice touches here and there and the odd shot make a player.

It's the same type that laugh at your Chris Wood, Marouane Fellaini type of player and calls them 'donkeys'.

[ksrclaret]

I think it's more a wider reflection on how the modern fan views the game and players, heavily influeced by social media/highlights/tik tok nonsense and what not.

Thinking a few nice touches here and there and the odd shot make a player.

It's the same type that laugh at your Chris Wood, Marouane Fellaini type of player and calls them 'donkeys'.

Absolutely this.

It's the sort of arrogance and snobbery that made them think we'd finish in the top 10 this season and that Luton were going to stink the league out. Ironic.

We've bought a load of players who once in a while can do a fancy flick or turn, but have no heart and no graft. Luton might lack a bit of technique but bloody hell how we'd love that sort of passion and spirit back at Burnley again. Turf Moor appears to be some sort of dentist's waiting room for our players.

[RVclaret]

NewClaret said Amdouni is better than anyone who played in the 10 position last year. Maybe read what is posted before having snide digs at posters.

Koleosho will 100% be the player a bigger team comes in for next summer and pays 20m for rather than Zaroury, so he’s probably right on that one too.

[daveisaclaret]

Absolutely this.

It's the sort of arrogance and snobbery that made them think we'd finish in the top 10 this season and that Luton were going to stink the league out. Ironic.

We've bought a load of players who once in a while can do a fancy flick or turn, but have no heart and no graft. Luton might lack a bit of technique but bloody hell how we'd love that sort of passion and spirit back at Burnley again. Turf Moor appears to be some sort of dentist's waiting room for our players.

Luton's passion and spirit must have had a night off when they lost at home to Burnley's fancy flicks and turns I guess.

[Wokingclaret]

NewClaret said Amdouni is better than anyone who played in the 10 position last year. Maybe read what is posted before having snide digs at posters.

Koleosho will 100% be the player a bigger team comes in for next summer and pays 20m for rather than Zaroury, so he’s probably right on that one too.

Yes, most of the team will be ready, but in 2 years time.....

[CoolClaret]

NewClaret said Amdouni is better than anyone who played in the 10 position last year. Maybe read what is posted before having snide digs at posters.

Koleosho will 100% be the player a bigger team comes in for next summer and pays 20m for rather than Zaroury, so he’s probably right on that one too.

Fair - I misread that.

I mean. We didn’t really play a ‘10’ did we but whatever.

Koleosho is fine yeah I like him. Still don’t think he’d score 7 in 30 games or so in the Champ and have moments of quality like Sunderland away.

They’re different types of players though - I love Koleosho’s directness and athleticism… just think Zaroury is a much better ‘footballer’

Still, my point about hype/views swayed based on small moments stands.

[ksrclaret]

Luton's passion and spirit must have had a night off when they lost at home to Burnley's fancy flicks and turns I guess.

Not for me. They edged the game on the night.

They're also 5 points ahead of us.

Nice try though, I guess

[CoolClaret]

Luton's passion and spirit must have had a night off when they lost at home to Burnley's fancy flicks and turns I guess.

Shame that the lad who won the game with a genuine moment of quality has barely had a kick since.

Good job we managed a win at a team that we finished 21 points above last season though eh

[Holtyclaret]

Pretty much every club in the 4 divisions and the whole fa pyramid would sack VK if we lose against Sheff Utd next week.

I’d give the plan a little longer and I think we’ll beat SU. As for these loons who are spouting “ we’ll walk the champ next year” For starters we’d need almost another team rebuild .

We’re mid-team rebuild right now, just needs time to ‘grow’. We haven’t bought ready made superstars and very few would leave if we were relegated. Couple sold, couple loaned out.

[daveisaclaret]

Not for me. They edged the game on the night.

They're also 5 points ahead of us.

Nice try though, I guess

So the spirit and passion just wasn't worth very much?

If they finish the season ahead of us, fair cop. As it is, deciding a side are better than us because of their mentality looks a bit daft when we went to their place and won I think.

[Holtyclaret]

Yes, most of the team will be ready, but in 2 years time.....

That’s the project

[Wokingclaret]

That’s the project

Yep and there's the problem.....

Should have been survival first then the younguns, it can't be done in this league

[Newcastleclaret93]

That’s the project

The project is a myth

[ksrclaret]

So the spirit and passion just wasn't worth very much?

If they finish the season ahead of us, fair cop. As it is, deciding a side are better than us because of their mentality looks a bit daft when we went to their place and won I think.

I guess not on the night. Worth plenty in other matches though and a team like Luton can't win every week.

I know people wet their knickers on here when you praise our rivals, but it's no big deal. They're just better than us.

Fair play if you're saying Luton aren't better than us and calling me daft with a straight face, though.

[Anthonini]

His post is just complete and utter ********.

That's why he's the number 1. Got to give credit where credits due.

Completely agree about Koleosho Berge and Amdouni. Class acts. I like O'Shea and Trafford too but they have to be taking most of the crap when we lose a game so you can't say that.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I have probably watched more Championship games this season than the majority on here-just back from Leicester v Watford. Believe me if we go down we wont walk the Championship.Our team has been disappointing and the chemistry between the starting 11 and our manager is not the same as it was 12 months ago. Our manager looks a beaten man and has looked so since the Bournemouth game. His after match interview about how hard the team is working in the week is tiresome. What does he think the other 19 teams are doing

Until we get Foster back we will struggle to earn another point. Just listened to WHU fans on the radio, claiming they were shocking today. Seemed to remember the same v Palace

Yes, but he is right with that approach.

The secret is to keep working hard, keeping to the basics, not losing faith. There are of course things to stamp out. Videos to study. But what we don’t want is for the “noise” to take over. That’s all Kompany is saying. He will be working hard at the “marginal gains” that turn narrow defeats into wins. It does feel marginal as well - that free header goes in from O’Shea for 2-0 we see it out comfortably.

[daveisaclaret]

I guess not on the night. Worth plenty in other matches though and a team like Luton can't win every week.

I know people wet their knickers on here when you praise our rivals, but it's no big deal. They're just better than us.

Fair play if you're saying Luton aren't better than us and calling me daft with a straight face, though.

Don't think there's any wet knickers?

Of the fixtures we've had in common with Luton so far, both lost at home to West Ham, both lost at home to Spurs, both drew at Forest, and the only difference is they won at home to Palace and we lost.

On top of that, we won at their place.

If you think they're better than us, great. Don't think that'll be borne out over a season but it's just speculation really. If you're ready to come to the conclusion they've got a great spirit and we haven't, it's daft.

[CoolClaret]

That's why he's the number 1. Got to give credit where credits due.

Think you take the biscuit for complete nonsense in all honesty mate.

See attached.

[daveisaclaret]

Think you take the biscuit for complete nonsense in all honesty mate.

See attached.

Off topic but it is very funny that the guy who got a lot of praise for giving perspective on our signings from Belgium is genuinely absolutely mental.

[Holtyclaret]

The project is a myth

….. to those with eyes only for today. Might well involve relegation but long term we will be competitive and sustainable within this league.

[ksrclaret]

Don't think there's any wet knickers?

Of the fixtures we've had in common with Luton so far, both lost at home to West Ham, both lost at home to Spurs, both drew at Forest, and the only difference is they won at home to Palace and we lost.

On top of that, we won at their place.

If you think they're better than us, great. Don't think that'll be borne out over a season but it's just speculation really. If you're ready to come to the conclusion they've got a great spirit and we haven't, it's daft.

Fair play for attempting show your working, but even the statistic you've just used shows they're better.

[Jakubclaret]

Don't think there's any wet knickers?

Of the fixtures we've had in common with Luton so far, both lost at home to West Ham, both lost at home to Spurs, both drew at Forest, and the only difference is they won at home to Palace and we lost.

On top of that, we won at their place.

If you think they're better than us, great. Don't think that'll be borne out over a season but it's just speculation really. If you're ready to come to the conclusion they've got a great spirit and we haven't, it's daft.

If you watched them against Liverpool graft & collectively hunt the ball down with tenacity fighting for some sort of positive result you’ll realise the spirit they possess in abundance especially at kenilworth road. Absolutely no chance we would apply that same sort of effort or willingness to upset the odds.

[daveisaclaret]

Fair play for attempting show your working, but even the statistic you've just used shows they're better.

Fortunately these things are measured over a season, and won't be discounting the fact that we've beaten them.

[Holtyclaret]

Yep and there's the problem.....

Should have been survival first then the younguns, it can't be done in this league

Long term it’s the solution, but modern day life demands instant gratification.

How many times are clubs mocked for getting shut of managers too quick if they don’t achieve some form of instant success - ‘he wasn’t given time to implement his ideas’ etc….

[ksrclaret]

Fortunately these things are measured over a season, and won't be discounting the fact that we've beaten them.

Not sure you get any extra credit for beating a team if it finishes above you. So these things might have to discount the fact that we've beaten them.

[Newcastleclaret93]

….. to those with eyes only for today. Might well involve relegation but long term we will be competitive and sustainable within this league.

If you eat up all the PR that gets put out yes.

If you’re a realist you understand that it’s complete nonsense.

[Anthonini]

Think you take the biscuit for complete nonsense in all honesty mate.

See attached.

The amount of effort and time you put into sheer trolling and shitposting is just pathetic mate. Get a life

[CoolClaret]

Long term it’s the solution, but modern day life demands instant gratification.

How many times are clubs mocked for getting shut of managers too quick if they don’t achieve some form of instant success - ‘he wasn’t given time to implement his ideas’ etc….

I mean I do agree with you and I'm not suggesting that we should get rid.

What is concerning though is that, unless we get taken over by a billionaire tycoon, we will never be top spenders in this league and if we want to have some type of success and remain here then we need a manager that knows how to get results with players that aren't the most expensive, nor the highest paid.

What he did last season was brilliant - undoubtedly, but again, we had a huge playing budget vs the rest of the league.

I'd just like something a bit more to cheer about and not be so focused on 'how much are we going to make on x/y/z player in however many seasons'.

If we're going down that route I'd have much rather invested a sizeable chunk into the academy setup, rather than a few more players that are barely making the matchday squad.

[Holtyclaret]

If you eat up all the PR that gets put out yes.

If you’re a realist you understand that it’s complete nonsense.

I’m a complete realist.

This set of highly talented young players we’re accumulating may take a while to develop, things are rough right now (but improving with a more settled side), we may be relegated, we know from the last 24 months relegation isn’t necessarily the end of the world(in fact it was refreshing and rather fun), we know from Dyches first pl season flop that it doesn’t always click straightaway and lessons are learnt to take forward …….. all pretty real.

The people that have invested in the club have gambled on where we are in a few years time not now or next season.

[CoolClaret]

The amount of effort and time you put into sheer trolling and shitposting is just pathetic mate. Get a life

Genuinely don't even shitpost but whatever

Be careful though mate, the WEF henchmen might be onto you

[NewClaret]

Berge better than Defour ? Aye alright then.

He’s got a long way to go even carving out a PL career half as good as Westwood - though I think he’s decent.

Koleosho is a good young player but again, I hate people shitting on players that have done really well for us.. there’s things Anass does much better than Luca for a start. You think Koleosho can cross, pass and shoot like Anass? Nah

Amdouni again on what planet are you making this off?

He’s got one goal in 13 in the PL and you’re saying he’s better than anything we’ve put out in seasons that we’ve finished 7th, 10th. It’s just nonsensical.

Did you read my post?

I said Berge was the best midfielder we’ve had in years. Defour last played in 2018 and even then only a few games. It was 2017 he played any real number of matches. Thats years ago.

I also said that Amdouni was better than any player we played at 10 last year. I’m not sure why you’re bringing the year we finished 7th up in that context? Although I’m not arguing whether Amdouni is a better player than Hendrick.

Koleosho is better than Zaroury for this level where you need raw pace to beat your man. He’s been our best, or one of our best, players in nearly every game and much lauded by commentators and fans. Koleosho is also a disciplined player defensively. So you’d drop him for Zaroury? I wouldn’t. That’s not “shitting on” Zaroury, just clear we’ve managed to upgrade that position.

Arguably haven’t upgraded enough positions though.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m a complete realist.

This set of highly talented young players we’re accumulating may take a while to develop, things are rough right now (but improving with a more settled side), we may be relegated, we know from the last 24 months relegation isn’t necessarily the end of the world(in fact it was refreshing and rather fun), we know from Dyches first pl season flop that it doesn’t always click straightaway and lessons are learnt to take forward …….. all pretty real.

The people that have invested in the club have gambled on where we are in a few years time not now or next season.

You’re assuming that we keep these players for 2 more years.

I doubt many of them will want to come down to the championship. the promising ones will no doubt leave (as they did last time, anyone decent left).

The reality is going down will be starting again, the “project” is a complete myth because it depends on staying in the premier league. We are clearly not going to.

In relation to your comment about the investors, there is no way they will happily accept relegation as you suggest. They could have thrown 10m at it this summer and gone down, they will be devastated they have ****** so much money up the wall and will get relegated.

For what’s it’s worth I personally think Sheffield is VKs make or break game. Lose that and he has to be gone

[NewClaret]

For what’s it’s worth I personally think Sheffield is VKs make or break game. Lose that and he has to be gone

Not for me regardless.

No manager will save us now anyhow. This is Kompany’s squad and he both deserves and needs the time to get it right.

[CoolClaret]

Did you read my post?

I said Berge was the best midfielder we’ve had in years. Defour last played in 2018 and even then only a few games. It was 2017 he played any real number of matches. Thats years ago.

I also said that Amdouni was better than any player we played at 10 last year. I’m not sure why you’re bringing the year we finished 7th up in that context? Although I’m not arguing whether Amdouni is a better player than Hendrick.

Koleosho is better than Zaroury for this level where you need raw pace to beat your man. He’s been our best, or one of our best, players in nearly every game and much lauded by commentators and fans. Koleosho is also a disciplined player defensively. So you’d drop him for Zaroury? I wouldn’t. That’s not “shitting on” Zaroury, just clear we’ve managed to upgrade that position.

Arguably haven’t upgraded enough positions though.

Yeah apologies I replied to RVClaret on the Amdouni confusion. You could also argue we didn't have a '10' last year and that Amdouni isn't really a '10'. Not many play that role in the modern game like but whatever - think he has to start scoring though because for the expenditure (big money signing for us) we've had little return (so far).

'In years' I mean how long is a piece of string. Berge is good I like him, good signing.

Zaroury has barely had a kick though, plenty of wingers have had success in the PL without raw pace like - i really think his progression has been hampered and he'd have benefited from starting the year and seeing what we had there and bedding Koleosho in, in 25/30 minute spells.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Did you read my post?

I said Berge was the best midfielder we’ve had in years. Defour last played in 2018 and even then only a few games. It was 2017 he played any real number of matches. Thats years ago.

I also said that Amdouni was better than any player we played at 10 last year. I’m not sure why you’re bringing the year we finished 7th up in that context? Although I’m not arguing whether Amdouni is a better player than Hendrick.

Koleosho is better than Zaroury for this level where you need raw pace to beat your man. He’s been our best, or one of our best, players in nearly every game and much lauded by commentators and fans. Koleosho is also a disciplined player defensively. So you’d drop him for Zaroury? I wouldn’t. That’s not “shitting on” Zaroury, just clear we’ve managed to upgrade that position.

Arguably haven’t upgraded enough positions though.

Tbf I don’t agree with a lot of the above . Berge isn’t better than Westwood at this level.

Koleosho looks promising but ultimately he’s not even remotely as good as McNeil was for us.

Amdouni is just the opposite of what we need. He’s a total luxury player that hasn’t got any fight to him. Could see him going somewhere like Ajax or PSV in the summer. He’s not got the physicality for this league.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not for me regardless.

No manager will save us now anyhow. This is Kompany’s squad and he both deserves and needs the time to get it right.

Luton make a complete mockery of that last sentence.

A decent manager keeps this team up no problem.

[Holtyclaret]

I mean I do agree with you and I'm not suggesting that we should get rid.

What is concerning though is that, unless we get taken over by a billionaire tycoon, we will never be top spenders in this league and if we want to have some type of success and remain here then we need a manager that knows how to get results with players that aren't the most expensive, nor the highest paid.

What he did last season was brilliant - undoubtedly, but again, we had a huge playing budget vs the rest of the league.

I'd just like something a bit more to cheer about and not be so focused on 'how much are we going to make on x/y/z player in however many seasons'.

If we're going down that route I'd have much rather invested a sizeable chunk into the academy setup, rather than a few more players that are barely making the matchday squad.

We have invested in the academy, levelling up the quality of incomings. Takes time for them to come through hence why we’ve bought your Ramseys, Traffords,! odoberts, koleoshos, aad, Massengo zarourys, etc…

We don’t want to be biggest spenders, we want to develop from young and create superstars rather than buy them ready made. We’ll never afford that (without dodgy billionaires).

Ten years ago we were a corner shop contesting a Sainsbury’s mega store. A prehistoric set up of a club, commercially naive, insular and not looking at the global market. That’s being addressed now in multiple ways. That’s how we’ll compete in the future on a more even keel than before.

The group of minor (worldwide) investors has brought in over £100m (roughly 20 x £7m).

Huge changes going on at the club and the current plight is just a tiny step along that journey.