Trafford already lined up to replace Pope

[CoolClaret]

He made a top save against Arsenal to deny Saka.

At what score was that? Genuinely curious.

Want to know if there’s been (a few) top save(s) to keep us in a game like.

[Big Vinny K]

He made a top save against Arsenal to deny Saka.

Yes that was a very good save that went under the radar a bit with what happened with their second goal.

I can’t believe how much debate a player who has only played a dozen or so games can generate amongst fans.
That is if you can even call it a debate - as I don’t think there are many fans at all who are voicing an opinion that he’s had a fantastic start to the season or even that he deserves his place ahead of Muric.

It seems more of a debate between fans who recognise he’s a young inexperienced player who the manager for his own reasons is deciding to select and some people on this board who think he is worse than Mark Kendall and should be sent to work in the Siberian salt mines

[Rileybobs]

At what score was that? Genuinely curious.

Want to know if there’s been (a few) top save(s) to keep us in a game like.

It was at 0-0.

[CoolClaret]

It seems more of a debate between fans who recognise he’s a young inexperienced player who the manager for his own reasons is deciding to select and some people on this board who think he is worse than Mark Kendall and should be sent to work in the Siberian salt mines

I just can’t quite understand why he’s playing regularly given that we like to try and play out and we have someone who’s been sat on the bench all year that’s much better in that aspect.

Now if Traff had been pulling out a ton of top drawer saves and keeping us in games I’d get it - I just haven’t seen it.

That’s fair enough right?

I get the youngster argument but not when it negatively impacts our potential to win a game.

I know you can say it’s VK and staffs decision etc but when you have 1 win in 13 then I think the argument from authority falls to pot

[bumba]

The lads confidence must be on the floor. Just hope he never comes on here and reads this tripe.

Again, he will play for England and be the best keeper we have had - AGAIN, some fans can see it and some clearly can not !

Just a thought - support the lad ! Worth a try yeah ?

Will be the best keeper we've ever had? Put the beer down

[Big Vinny K]

I just can’t quite understand why he’s playing regularly given that we like to try and play out and we have someone who’s been sat on the bench all year that’s much better in that aspect.

Now if Traff had been pulling out a ton of top drawer saves and keeping us in games I’d get it - I just haven’t seen it.

That’s fair enough right?

I get the youngster argument but not when it negatively impacts our potential to win a game.

I know you can say it’s VK and staffs decision etc but when you have 1 win in 13 then I think the argument from authority falls to pot

Are you saying you prefer Muric to Trafford ?

Just want to make it clear as I think that would be interesting news to everyone on this messageboard

[Rileybobs]

I just can’t quite understand why he’s playing regularly given that we like to try and play out and we have someone who’s been sat on the bench all year that’s much better in that aspect.

Now if Traff had been pulling out a ton of top drawer saves and keeping us in games I’d get it - I just haven’t seen it.

That’s fair enough right?

I get the youngster argument but not when it negatively impacts our potential to win a game.

I know you can say it’s VK and staffs decision etc but when you have 1 win in 13 then I think the argument from authority falls to pot

I just think Kompany rates Trafford higher than Muric. Not really sure there’s anything more to it than that. He thinks Trafford is a better goalkeeper. I would hazard a guess that our goalkeeper coach shares this view. They probably value specific traits and attributes differently than the casual football fan who doesn’t know anything about goalkeeping - of which I’m one, and I suspect you also are.

[CoolClaret]

Are you saying you prefer Muric to Trafford ?

Just want to make it clear as I think that would be interesting news to everyone on this messageboard

Not sure why you have to turn everything into a passive-aggressive tosser reply.

Simply asking what he’s shown to cement his position in the side - but well done in your retort

[CoolClaret]

I just think Kompany rates Trafford higher than Muric. Not really sure there’s anything more to it than that. He thinks Trafford is a better goalkeeper. I would hazard a guess that our goalkeeper coach shares this view. They probably value specific traits and attributes differently than the casual football fan who doesn’t know anything about goalkeeping - of which I’m one, and I suspect you also are.

Maybe it is that simple.

Not so sure myself - hope Traff can prove me wrong.

Again the argument from authority doesn’t cut it when we’re on 4 points.

[Nori1958]

This thread is going the same way as the deleted Trafford thread... Thanks to the same posters

[HuncoatClaret]

I can't be bothered as I'm having my dinner. But just look at DD's list for starters.

7.18pm and you're having your dinner, don't you mean your tea?

[StayingDown4Ever]

This thread is going the same way as the deleted Trafford thread... Thanks to the same posters

Here he is - Mr Trafford. Hope you are keeping well.

[Rileybobs]

Maybe it is that simple.

Not so sure myself - hope Traff can prove me wrong.

Again the argument from authority doesn’t cut it when we’re on 4 points.

It’s not an argument from authority though, I’m not saying your questioning of why Muric isn’t playing isn’t valid because Kompany has more authority. I’m just explaining why I think he is playing Trafford ahead of Muric, and that’s because he thinks he’s a better keeper.

We know that you think Muric’s use of the ball is better than Trafford’s and he should be in the team for that reason, presumably Kompany sees other attributes in Trafford which he values higher. That’s not to say he’s definitely right and you’re definitely wrong, just a very simple reason why he is probably playing one goalkeeper and not the other.

[Big Vinny K]

This thread is going the same way as the deleted Trafford thread... Thanks to the same poster

Corrected that for you.

[Rileybobs]

7.18pm and you're having your dinner, don't you mean your tea?

I finished my dinner about an hour ago and I’m now about to sit down in front of the box with my tea and a biscuit.

[Bowclaret]

Will be the best keeper we've ever had? Put the beer down

Would rather listen to a work class, born winner footballer than bel l ends on here.

And with your, ahem ! Response, I rest my case

[CoolClaret]

It’s not an argument from authority though, I’m not saying your questioning of why Muric isn’t playing isn’t valid because Kompany has more authority. I’m just explaining why I think he is playing Trafford ahead of Muric, and that’s because he thinks he’s a better keeper.

We know that you think Muric’s use of the ball is better than Trafford’s and he should be in the team for that reason, presumably Kompany sees other attributes in Trafford which he values higher. That’s not to say he’s definitely right and you’re definitely wrong, just a very simple reason why he is probably playing one goalkeeper and not the other.

Yeah and it's that reason that I'm asking where have they hoenstly been on show that has pushed BFC to getting points from a game of Football.

Saka save at 0-0 great, just looking for more than that.

[CoolClaret]

Would rather listen to a work class, born winner footballer than bel l ends on here.

And with your, ahem ! Response, I rest my case

Lots of brilliant players turn out as poor managers,

Lots of terrible players turn out as fantastic managers - seems like the best ever tend to be in that mold infact.

It's just a complete non-argument

[Rileybobs]

Yeah and it's that reason that I'm asking where have they hoenstly been on show that has pushed BFC to getting points from a game of Football.

Saka save at 0-0 great, just looking for more than that.

To be fair you did just ask for one example.

I could look across our whole squad and question what has been in show that has pushed BFC to getting points from a game of football. What has Beyer done to push us on to win a game?

[Wokingclaret]

It’s not an argument from authority though, I’m not saying your questioning of why Muric isn’t playing isn’t valid because Kompany has more authority. I’m just explaining why I think he is playing Trafford ahead of Muric, and that’s because he thinks he’s a better keeper.

We know that you think Muric’s use of the ball is better than Trafford’s and he should be in the team for that reason, presumably Kompany sees other attributes in Trafford which he values higher. That’s not to say he’s definitely right and you’re definitely wrong, just a very simple reason why he is probably playing one goalkeeper and not the other.

Probably both not good enough, but Trafford has shown he is not ready as some other have for this division. AS per the project 2 years he might be more than ready.

[CoolClaret]

To be fair you did just ask for one example.

I could look across our whole squad and question what has been in show that has pushed BFC to getting points from a game of football. What has Beyer done to push us on to win a game?

That would be a fair point - my retort would be, "do you think there's anyone that we have that could/would be performing better in order to give us a chance to win a game?"

If then answer is "no" then great, stick with him... However if the answer is "yes", my next question would be -

"has he had a fair run of games to show that he is performing to the level we need in order to win a game?"

If the answer is again "no" then I'd suggest we stick for a few more, if the answer is "yes" then I'd probably suggest that we try someone else.

[boatshed bill]

7.18pm and you're having your dinner, don't you mean your tea?

Yes, here in the posh Southwest "dinner" is served around 7pm with the possible exception on a Sunday 1-2pm... but that's still lunch to me
I had my tea at 4pm with a couple of rich tea biscuits.

[Carlos the Great]

I'll show my arse in burtons window if Trafford doesn't play more than 100 more top flight games more than Brian Jensen did.
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If Trafford plays every game for us in next 2 years we could find ourselves back in division that most suits him.. division 1 …

[Rileybobs]

That would be a fair point - my retort would be, "do you think there's anyone that we have that could/would be performing better in order to give us a chance to win a game?"

If then answer is "no" then great, stick with him... However if the answer is "yes", my next question would be -

"has he had a fair run of games to show that he is performing to the level we need in order to win a game?"

If the answer is again "no" then I'd suggest we stick for a few more, if the answer is "yes" then I'd probably suggest that we try someone else.

My own view is that I feel Trafford is the better keeper of the two; better shot-stopper, quicker off his line, better decision making, less erratic. Last season I was of the view that a number one priority in the summer would be an upgrade on Muric. Based on the evidence to date I would suggest that we put too much emphasis on youth when signing Trafford, when a more seasoned goalkeeper would have given us a more solid foundation at the back.

That said, I don’t think that we would be any better off had Muric played every game this season, and who knows, we could even be worse off.

What I do know is that the criticism of Trafford is wholly OTT, and some of the comments about one of our own young players are just downright nasty. I also think having this recurring conversation on a daily basis is totally unhelpful, particularly following a decent performance from Trafford.

[CoolClaret]

My own view is that I feel Trafford is the better keeper of the two; better shot-stopper, quicker off his line, better decision making, less erratic. Last season I was of the view that a number one priority in the summer would be an upgrade on Muric. Based on the evidence to date I would suggest that we put too much emphasis on youth when signing Trafford, when a more seasoned goalkeeper would have given us a more solid foundation at the back.

That said, I don’t think that we would be any better off had Muric played every game this season, and who knows, we could even be worse off.

What I do know is that the criticism of Trafford is wholly OTT, and some of the comments about one of our own young players are just downright nasty. I also think having this recurring conversation on a daily basis is totally unhelpful, particularly following a decent performance from Trafford.

Fair enough.

I disagree - not on the erratic part but I think that's something if tempered can be a positive.

Again, not into any 'nasty' comments either but you can at least see why it's a point of contention.

God help him if it were another club - we're pretty mild in comparison.

[FCBurnley]

Newcastle could do a lot worse than sign Muric.

[Big Vinny K]

Newcastle could do a lot worse than sign Muric.

Ooooh I see what you have done here.
Let’s see if we get the response you are looking for !!

[Rileybobs]

Fair enough.

I disagree - not on the erratic part but I think that's something if tempered can be a positive.

Again, not into any 'nasty' comments either but you can at least see why it's a point of contention.

God help him if it were another club - we're pretty mild in comparison.

Yes, the nasty comments wasn’t referring to your posts!

[BurnleyFC]

The lads confidence must be on the floor. Just hope he never comes on here and reads this tripe.

Again, he will play for England and be the best keeper we have had - AGAIN, some fans can see it and some clearly can not !

Just a thought - support the lad ! Worth a try yeah ?

Not a cat in hell’s chance.

Pope, Heaton, Blacklaw, McDonald to name four.

[elwaclaret]

Not a cat in hell’s chance.

Pope, Heaton, Blacklaw, McDonald to name four.

Agree, this hyperbolic is the nonsense suggesting he is our worst.

[Anthonini]

The lads confidence must be on the floor. Just hope he never comes on here and reads this tripe.

Again, he will play for England and be the best keeper we have had - AGAIN, some fans can see it and some clearly can not !

Just a thought - support the lad ! Worth a try yeah ?

Good to see he gets the support from his coach and teammates. Must be hard to be 21, making your debut for a team in the biggest league in the world where a bunch of "fans" are actually doing all they can, looking up weird irrelevant statistics even, spending hours and hours to discredit you.

He's been faultless so far. For a young goalkeeper he makes very little dumb mistakes, which would be logical for a young player to make. Verbruggen already made 3-4 disastrous mistakes for example. Trafford is very secure. Calm. Good distribution good first touch. Good reflexes, good anticipation. Seems to be a great character as well. Going to be a great goalkeeper for England.

[Anthonini]

Fair enough.

I disagree - not on the erratic part but I think that's something if tempered can be a positive.

Again, not into any 'nasty' comments either but you can at least see why it's a point of contention.

God help him if it were another club - we're pretty mild in comparison.

Get a hobby number one

[CoolClaret]

Get a hobby number one

Only if you read a science book

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Good to see he gets the support from his coach and teammates. Must be hard to be 21, making your debut for a team in the biggest league in the world where a bunch of "fans" are actually doing all they can, looking up weird irrelevant statistics even, spending hours and hours to discredit you.

He's been faultless so far. For a young goalkeeper he makes very little dumb mistakes, which would be logical for a young player to make. Verbruggen already made 3-4 disastrous mistakes for example. Trafford is very secure. Calm. Good distribution good first touch. Good reflexes, good anticipation. Seems to be a great character as well. Going to be a great goalkeeper for England.

Have you got him mixed up with someone else?

[KRBFC]

This conversation again, really?

[Anthonini]

Only if you read a science book

An Indian one? Any recommendations?

[Anthonini]

Have you got him mixed up with someone else?

Nah the guy that won England the u21 EC this summer without conceding a single goal.

[CoolClaret]

An Indian one? Any recommendations?

Got a few for you actually.

This should be decent for your critical thinking ability:

‘Think Like a Detective: A Kid's Guide to Critical Thinking’
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/183367272

Then take your pick here - all will be beneficial:

https://www.dummies.com/category/books/science-33756/

[Bowclaret]

Nah the guy that won England the u21 EC this summer without conceding a single goal.

Exactly - pathetic how our “so called, know it all numpty fans” are treating our very talented young future full England international keeper.

Pathetic !

[Anthonini]

Got a few for you actually.

This should be decent for your critical thinking ability:

‘Think Like a Detective: A Kid's Guide to Critical Thinking’
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/183367272

Then take your pick here - all will be beneficial:

https://www.dummies.com/category/books/science-33756/

Think like a detective...
So that's where you learned to search for statistics to discredit a 21 year old that makes his PL debut?

Better spend your time doing something productive mate. Thanks for the 10 minutes of research though looking for those books Sherlock.

[Anthonini]

Exactly - pathetic how our “so called, know it all numpty fans” are treating our very talented young future full England international keeper.

Pathetic !

Unfortunately that's the only suitable word for it.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Nah the guy that won England the u21 EC this summer without conceding a single goal.

Unfortunately he’s not playing in an u21 league

[CoolClaret]

Think like a detective...
So that's where you learned to search for statistics to discredit a 21 year old that makes his PL debut?

Better spend your time doing something productive mate. Thanks for the 10 minutes of research though looking for those books Sherlock.

No I just thought it would be a good introductory lesson at a level you might find digestable so that you don't get your tiny mind swayed to believe such crap as:

Fake alien invasion to cause the world to unite under one (communist nazi) government. Every "space image" they show us is a cartoon. To make us believe in big bangs, ET's and to disprove the existence of a creator. The most important director of NASA was Werner Von Braun, a dude straight from the Nazi party brought to USA after the war in "operation paperclip". Also working together with 33 degree freemason Walt Disney on the first space travel movies.

Check it out. Look at photographs of earth and any planet or stars from every space agency. Everything is CGI made in Photoshop.

Makes the book of revelation hit differently for sure.

[bumba]

Would rather listen to a work class, born winner footballer than bel l ends on here.

And with your, ahem ! Response, I rest my case

The born winner that's lost 11 out of 13 since rebuilding his squad around said keeper?

[alwaysaclaret]

The lads confidence must be on the floor. Just hope he never comes on here and reads this tripe.

Again, he will play for England and be the best keeper we have had - AGAIN, some fans can see it and some clearly can not !

Just a thought - support the lad ! Worth a try yeah ?

Best thing about Trafford is we'll never ever ever pay £19m for him because he will never ever ever make a full international debut, and I'd say there's a few other add ons we'll never have to pay as well, although I dare say he'll make appearance level payment while vk is in the building. Worse goalkeeper in my time, on every level, I'll agree he has time on he's side to develop, but can't see it.

[Jamesy]

He is absolutely nowhere near the worst keeper we've had.
I could give you 20 off the top of my head far worse than James Trafford.

He is the worst keeper we have had in the Premier League. You cannot compare him to keepers we have had years ago when we were in the lower divisions. And they didn’t cost any money either.

[Jamesy]

Good to see he gets the support from his coach and teammates. Must be hard to be 21, making your debut for a team in the biggest league in the world where a bunch of "fans" are actually doing all they can, looking up weird irrelevant statistics even, spending hours and hours to discredit you.

He's been faultless so far. For a young goalkeeper he makes very little dumb mistakes, which would be logical for a young player to make. Verbruggen already made 3-4 disastrous mistakes for example. Trafford is very secure. Calm. Good distribution good first touch. Good reflexes, good anticipation. Seems to be a great character as well. Going to be a great goalkeeper for England.

Faultless? Crikey, do you actually attend games?
The barometer for if he is any good or not is by attending games and getting a feeling from the supporters around you if he is up to scratch. Not from an internet messageboard where bedroom based keyboard warriors prevail.
The general consensus around most fans where I sit is that Trafford is a poor goalkeeper and a liability.

[Rileybobs]

Faultless? Crikey, do you actually attend games?
The barometer for if he is any good or not is by attending games and getting a feeling from the supporters around you if he is up to scratch. Not from an internet messageboard where bedroom based keyboard warriors prevail.
The general consensus around most fans where I sit is that Trafford is a poor goalkeeper and a liability.

So the way to gauge whether a player is good is to listen to the fans sat around you at the game (the vocal ones by nature being the most critical), but not by those same fans posts on social media?

Personally I think the barometer of whether a player is good or not is my own judgement, not what people who happen to sit near me once a fortnight think.

[Rileybobs]

By the way, there’s an old bloke who sits near me and he was absolutely Hammering Trafford from the first whistle against West Ham. He was annoying some of the others around us. He was shouting at him whenever he had the ball at his feet, berating him for not catching the ball when he did well to even punch it. I certainly wouldn’t be giving any credence to the opinions of ‘supporters’ like him.

[Jamesy]

So the way to gauge whether a player is good is to listen to the fans sat around you at the game (the vocal ones by nature being the most critical), but not by those same fans posts on social media?

Personally I think the barometer of whether a player is good or not is my own judgement, not what people who happen to sit near me once a fortnight think.

Good for you. I don’t mean the boo boys, I mean sensible people I have sat near to for years in the BL stand who despite being in the older age demographic are reasonably knowledgeable about football.
If you think he is a good keeper then that is your judgement and opinion. I just think he is poor and not ready for this level of football.
I would question also who is coaching the lad, as he is certainly not improving.