Burnley Town centre Bar break ins

[Lubanski]

Charlie Vietch was in Burnley doing his utube thing on new years day, the opening shot was of a couple of cars with broken windows and a couple of traders cleaning up a broken shop window. Sad

[RicardoMontalban]

It's changed from the money directly going to the police to the central government. The debate was focused on the speed awareness course money generated.

The cost of delivering the course I expect. Room hire etc.

[Jakubclaret]

The cost of delivering the course I expect. Room hire etc.

Packing about 30 people into a small room & charging them somewhere around £100 each, I even had to bring my own flask

[RicardoMontalban]

Packing about 30 people into a small room & charging them somewhere around £100 each, I even had to bring my own flask

What price not to have points on your license and your insurance go up more?

[Jakubclaret]

Packing about 30 people into a small room & charging them somewhere around £100 each, I even had to bring my own flask

Just can fit 2 sessions in on a day maybe even 3. It was a early session for me but I don't know what time the courses run to.

[Jakubclaret]

What price not to have points on your license and your insurance go up more?

I'm not disputing it's the better option that isn't in dispute. It's where the money goes & does the money get spent on road safety after all that's what the all shebang is supposed to be about. Anyway I've said enough on the matter & I feel I'm going around in circles labouring the point. Have a good day.

[RicardoMontalban]

I'm not disputing it's the better option that isn't in dispute. It's where the money goes & does the money get spent on road safety after all that's what the all shebang is supposed to be about. Anyway I've said enough on the matter & I feel I'm going around in circles labouring the point. Have a good day.

Explaining where the money generated from speed awareness courses is spent, Durham Police said: “We do not receive any money from fines paid by speeding drivers, which are issued by the courts and are then sent to central government.

We only receive part of the fee paid by drivers to attend a speed awareness course and all of that money is used to manage the costs of managing the safety camera function and is also reinvested back into road safety measures to make our region’s roads safer for all.”

The information is out there if you care to look. If there’s something the warrants a grumble it’s the postcode lottery of fees, but I think you’d need some chutzpah to do that.

[Jakubclaret]

Explaining where the money generated from speed awareness courses is spent, Durham Police said: “We do not receive any money from fines paid by speeding drivers, which are issued by the courts and are then sent to central government.

We only receive part of the fee paid by drivers to attend a speed awareness course and all of that money is used to manage the costs of managing the safety camera function and is also reinvested back into road safety measures to make our region’s roads safer for all.”

The information is out there if you care to look. If there’s something the warrants a grumble it’s the postcode lottery of fees, but I think you’d need some chutzpah to do that.

https://driveprotect.co.uk/police-get-p ... ss-course/
You can x that by the odd million or so, that's some serious wedge that was going into road safety.

[RicardoMontalban]

https://driveprotect.co.uk/police-get-p ... ss-course/
You can x that by the odd million or so, that's some serious wedge that was going into road safety.

Yeah, I read that too. Not sure that’s the most objective (or coherent) source and I certainly wouldn’t be using that as the keystone to any thesis on the matter.

I wonder if he’s deliberately blurring the line between the ‘odd million’ caught for speeding and the unknown number going on speed awareness courses. Then he pulls a few more random numbers out of his arse and makes a few more unfounded statements before pressing publish. Job done.

[Jakubclaret]

Yeah, I read that too. Not sure that’s the most objective (or coherent) source and I certainly wouldn’t be using that as the keystone to any thesis on the matter.

I wonder if he’s deliberately blurring the line between the ‘odd million’ caught for speeding and the unknown number going on speed awareness courses. Then he pulls a few more random numbers out of his arse and makes a few more unfounded statements before pressing publish. Job done.

Whatever method whether it's FPN or the speed awareness courses it's a lot of money I'm sure you'll agree. It's not costing 5/6K+ to rent a small room a day & pay a bloke to put a TV on & talk about driving & the detrimental impact of excessive speed..

[RicardoMontalban]

Whatever method whether it's FPN or the speed awareness courses it's a lot of money I'm sure you'll agree. It's not costing 5/6K+ to rent a small room a day & pay a bloke to put a TV on & talk about driving & the detrimental impact of excessive speed..

the other quote I included expanded on that, the funds went back towards the whole process of speed enforcement. Maybe there’s a bit more to it than settling up with the hotel when the last punter has gone.

If you think it’s a scam perhaps, should you find yourself in the same position again, though not too soon as you won’t be offered the option, you could turn it down on principle.

[aggi]

https://driveprotect.co.uk/police-get-p ... ss-course/
You can x that by the odd million or so, that's some serious wedge that was going into road safety.

I'd definitely trust the numbers from that website that doesn't provide any source for them.

Also, how bad a driver must people be who to sign up to that site. A subscription for a lawyer for motoring offences.

[claptrappers_union]

Charlie Vietch was in Burnley doing his utube thing on new years day, the opening shot was of a couple of cars with broken windows and a couple of traders cleaning up a broken shop window. Sad

I cant stand that fella. He seems to go to communities just to antagonize locals for likes.

[Enola Gay]

The resources are there if they spent a fraction of the time that they do trying to catch motorists out doing a few miles over they'd catch more people but no money in it & even if they did the prisons are full & the MOJ are releasing people early as quick as the criminals trying to get in. It's a mess a real mess.

Ooh, almost a full house.

You got the "barely over the limit" in there no problem, the suggestion it's a moneymaking scam was textbook, but the "why don't they spend their time catching real criminals" was only implied, rather than stated.

Close but no cigar.

[Loyalclaret]

I'd definitely trust the numbers from that website that doesn't provide any source for them.

Also, how bad a driver must people be who to sign up to that site. A subscription for a lawyer for motoring offences.

Looks like a poorly put together marketing piece, as does the letter after his own company saved him in court. Trust pilot looks kosher too

[RicardoMontalban]

Ooh, almost a full house.

You got the "barely over the limit" in there no problem, the suggestion it's a moneymaking scam was textbook, but the "why don't they spend their time catching real criminals" was only implied, rather than stated.

Close but no cigar.

I find it intriguing that his reaction to there being over x million drivers in a year being done for driving offences is “that’s a lot of dosh”, and not, you know, “that’s a hell of a lot of people driving too fast”.

Concerned citizen and all that.

[Jakubclaret]

I'd definitely trust the numbers from that website that doesn't provide any source for them.

Also, how bad a driver must people be who to sign up to that site. A subscription for a lawyer for motoring offences.

BBC News - Police see rise in income from speed awareness courses
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35170779
Will that do you? No doubt you'll find another reason to query the authenticity.

[aggi]

BBC News - Police see rise in income from speed awareness courses
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35170779
Will that do you? No doubt you'll find another reason to query the authenticity.

I mean that's more trustworthy but also has totally different numbers from the first article so not the best evidence.

[Jakubclaret]

I mean that's more trustworthy but also has totally different numbers from the first article so not the best evidence.

In fairness it does say the money goes towards enforcement, if you choose to believe that. £35 it's probably gone up now the courses have, it's a pretty expensive piece of templated paper, an envelope & a stamp informing the recipient of prosecution. It's everybody's fault for not keeping to the limits & being on offer so no resentment on that score but it's only natural to question is it really about road safety or just a way of making money.

[yatesybase]

20000 more police says the Government, crime shouldn't be a problem. Where's fat knacker Higginbotham these days ?

Unless it's a Photo opportunity to promote himself he won't be seen anywhere.

[AmbleClaret]

Unless it's a Photo opportunity to promote himself he won't be seen anywhere.

Wonder if the voters of Burnley still happy with a Tory MP.

[Benson]

Wonder if the voters of Burnley still happy with a Tory MP.

Because we all know break ins never happened in Burnley until a Tory was elected.

[chipbutty]

This thread is supposedly about local, hard working businesses being burgled....

[Jakubclaret]

This thread is supposedly about local, hard working businesses being burgled....

If people really wanted to discuss that there's nothing stopping anybody from doing so.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I cant stand that fella. He seems to go to communities just to antagonize locals for likes.

He is a grade A prick, he got slapped in Manchester recently after mouthing off to some kids. He ended up hiding behind security guards.

[Clovius Boofus]

If people really wanted to discuss that there's nothing stopping anybody from doing so.

Every thread you post on ends up going the same way. You simply repeat yourself for days on end and bore everyone shitless.

[Hipper]

Speeding. Speed limits are there mostly for people's safety (also for traffic management and air pollution). Anybody who drive's over the speed limit is driving without consideration. People who get caught do not have my sympathy.

Burglaries. We (in Hertfordshire) recently had a burglary at a Pizza shop overnight. The thieves smashed through a glass door and took the shop's computer system used just for workplace reasons. There was no money in the shop. There was an alarm but no notice was taken. The owners have now installed metal roller blinds for security. Some shops locally do have this but most do not.

[CoolClaret]

Charlie Vietch was in Burnley doing his utube thing on new years day, the opening shot was of a couple of cars with broken windows and a couple of traders cleaning up a broken shop window. Sad

Not normally one to condone violence but he needs a good chinning. Horrid bloke

[Lubanski]

My point though re C. Veitch was how sad to see a local trader cleaning up glass from his broken window on New Year's Day.

[Burnley Ace]

Charlie Vietch was in Burnley doing his utube thing on new years day, the opening shot was of a couple of cars with broken windows and a couple of traders cleaning up a broken shop window. Sad

Wasn’t that Nelson. When he was first in Burnley didn’t he make an arse of himself outside M&S?

[Jakubclaret]

Every thread you post on ends up going the same way. You simply repeat yourself for days on end and bore everyone shitless.

You have a choice to engage or not engage. I'm sorry is somebody forcing you to read my posts? Please be my guest & use the foe option you can avoid all this.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'm not sure that's the point, Jakub.
Surely better to present a reasoned argument than drag another thread down?

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not sure that's the point, Jakub.
Surely better to present a reasoned argument than drag another thread down?

Diddums. There's about half a dozen or so posters I care little for what they post but I don't respond I ignore & i don't get involved with things that I have little interest in & do you know something it works perfectly fine for me without any problems.

[Rileybobs]

Speeding. Speed limits are there mostly for people's safety (also for traffic management and air pollution). Anybody who drive's over the speed limit is driving without consideration. People who get caught do not have my sympathy.

Burglaries. We (in Hertfordshire) recently had a burglary at a Pizza shop overnight. The thieves smashed through a glass door and took the shop's computer system used just for workplace reasons. There was no money in the shop. There was an alarm but no notice was taken. The owners have now installed metal roller blinds for security. Some shops locally do have this but most do not.

At least they didn’t make away with all the dough.

[evensteadiereddie]

Diddums. There's about half a dozen or so posters I care little for what they post but I don't respond I ignore & i don't get involved with things that I have little interest in & do you know something it works perfectly fine for me without any problems.

That's the spirit, Jakub!

[Lubanski]

Wasn’t that Nelson. When he was first in Burnley didn’t he make an arse of himself outside M&S?

Definitely Burnley as he wanders into the Centre Spot, is it 1882 lounge now, as weight watchers are meeting, it's more recent that the M&S one, it might be new years day this year.