Arijanet Muric

[Rileybobs]

Didn't even read what you'd wrote so no it wasn't aimed at you, was a general comment relating to a few posters on the board.
So no I'm not wrong and I'm not making anything up, you've just made something up.

I suppose you were wrong to quote CoolClaret’s response to me then.

[bumba]

I suppose you were wrong to quote CoolClaret’s response to me then.

Not really because I was making a comment to him.
If I wanted to comment to you I'd have quotedyou

[Cooclaret]

You would argue then that they keep muric at the club until he was 23/24 and gave him opportunities in the first team and decided to let Trafford go aged 21, a team who is always looking to keep home grown players around for champions league Registration purposes, why would they let a 21 year old leave

FFP: he will be going back there. I think they’ll be a buy back clause.

[123EasyasBFC]

FFP: he will be going back there. I think they’ll be a buy back clause.

The buy back clause is x4 what we paid that doesn’t make any business sense and we all know city dont care about FFP

[Foshiznik]

I will support whoever is picked in goal by the manager. Unfortunately 90% of this board seems to only want one of them to do well and the other to fail.

I just don’t understand why some will defend mistakes by one or call a routine save a world class save but be completely polar opposite of the other keeper did exactly the same. I just don’t get it.

[KRBFC]

Not make that throw would have prevented it. We should be calm and relaxed when it's 0-0 vs Tottenham. Let them rush things and make daft mistakes.

Calm is the opposite of Muric, the guy has a screw loose. From the sheer brilliance to utterly atrocious in the space of seconds. Seems he loses his head completely in an instant and makes a rash costly error. A real character of a goalkeeper and I assume VK prefers Trafford for his calmness.

[Darnhill Claret]

I think both Trafford and Muric are both calm but Muric probably has the bigger ego. Muric wasn't looking for a draw as in a league game and the point that comes with it. I'm pretty sure he was trying to win the game. That's football. We are probably better off being out of the Cup this season, but we have a team of talented players who might continue making errors that cost us points, but by the same token could amass the number of points required for safety. Just enjoy the ride.

[scamander]

I will support whoever is picked in goal by the manager. Unfortunately 90% of this board seems to only want one of them to do well and the other to fail.

I just don’t understand why some will defend mistakes by one or call a routine save a world class save but be completely polar opposite of the other keeper did exactly the same. I just don’t get it.

Great post, I think what we can all agree on (and sometimes gets missed) is that even the best keepers in the division make mistakes in their distribution. We play a risky style and the errors our keepers make are not unique by any measure. You play the passing out style and you will get punished at some point.

[Westleigh]

Calm is the opposite of Muric, the guy has a screw loose. From the sheer brilliance to utterly atrocious in the space of seconds. Seems he loses his head completely in an instant and makes a rash costly error. A real character of a goalkeeper and I assume VK prefers Trafford for his calmness.

Muric is a chilled as a polar bear compared to Pickford and I know we all like him to fail because we prefer Nick Pope but he’s a hell of a good keeper.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Great post, I think what we can all agree on (and sometimes gets missed) is that even the best keepers in the division make mistakes in their distribution. We play a risky style and the errors our keepers make are not unique by any measure. You play the passing out style and you will get punished at some point.

That’s kind of the point though,

A mistake for a team like us usually ends in defeat. Playing out from the back with the calibre of players we have is a big reason we are where we are.

[Anthonini]

Calm is the opposite of Muric, the guy has a screw loose. From the sheer brilliance to utterly atrocious in the space of seconds. Seems he loses his head completely in an instant and makes a rash costly error. A real character of a goalkeeper and I assume VK prefers Trafford for his calmness.

Think so too... Calmness is so important. Muric can speed up play very well but he doesn't know when to do it or when not to do it. When it's 0-0 against a bigger club in a cup game you have to take it easy as a goalkeeper. Take your time and make them anxious.

[Spindles]

Sorry lads just have to clear this up - I mean at least be objective.

Have criticisms about maybe not playing to the scenario properly - fair enough but suggesting that a keeper saves this (yep I'll post a still as well) is just ludcirous

No apology from Rilebobs to Muric then? Thought not

Noone in the goals gets to that strike unless you're Inspector Gadget

[Rileybobs]

No apology from Rilebobs to Muric then? Thought not

Noone in the goals gets to that strike unless you're Inspector Gadget

Apology for what?

[Guppyspotter]

Not sure why goalkeepers are so protected in terms of them keeping the jersey. So often you see different outfield players used against different teams to counter an opposition threat but rarely with keepers.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Think so too... Calmness is so important. Muric can speed up play very well but he doesn't know when to do it or when not to do it. When it's 0-0 against a bigger club in a cup game you have to take it easy as a goalkeeper. Take your time and make them anxious.

He did a quick counter attack throw out to catch them up the field, Amdouni controlled it and then tried to kick it through Porro's legs, if Amdouni hadn't done that he wouldnt have had a free run on goal to strike his worldclass shot . If anything it was a good spot from Muric but he gets blamed by people that havent got a clue.

Cant believe some people reckon any goalkeeper could have got to that shot , obviously never played football in their life.

If you let an attacker have a free shot at the net unchallenged he usually scores especially in the prem, something which happended to Trafford against Brentford and Mbelmo when we played there.

[CoolClaret]

I don't particularly think Muric is 'erratic' by the way - I think he's got exceptional vision and is very confident in his abilities - some of the more rash/poor judgement stuff he will cut out as he gains experience and develops (though development sadly curtailed by VK).

Just think for natural ability he is top tier. Speed of passes - it's like watching Trent drill them in to players. Some player to watch for me.

Even when he rushes out for example he doesn't dally - once he makes his mind up he really goes for it and of course he's been caught out for it at times but I'd still prefer my keeper to be super committed. Think the team really benefits from it.

Again - look at the positions the team took up in possession with him in net - we stretched the pitch laterally and horizontally so much more than we have done prior.

Really think he's a supremely talented individual. Not many goalies with his footballing ability in world football - deadly serious.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I don't particularly think Muric is 'erratic' by the way - I think he's got exceptional vision and is very confident in his abilities - some of the more rash/poor judgement stuff he will cut out as he gains experience and develops (though development sadly curtailed by VK).

Just think for natural ability he is top tier. Speed of passes - it's like watching Trent drill them in to players. Some player to watch for me.

Even when he rushes out for example he doesn't dally - once he makes his mind up he really goes for it and of course he's been caught out for it at times but I'd still prefer my keeper to be super committed. Think the team really benefits from it.

Again - look at the positions the team took up in possession with him in net - we stretched the pitch laterally and horizontally so much more than we have done prior.

Really think he's a supremely talented individual. Not many goalies with his footballing ability in world football - deadly serious.

Hes already a senior international keeper, i cant believe hes not playing regular, some team is going to get a bargain when he moves on and VK will have serious egg on his face. His distribution is class, dont know how people cannot see it.

Whatever the problem is between him and VK i hope its buried before Luton, cant see it though

Being a great manager is about admitting you got something wrong and putting it right as soon as possible.

[Vegas Claret]

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We’ll have to agree to disagree. But I don’t think a keeper should be conceding from that range and angle to his right hand side from a right footed shot when positioned where he is. His reactions to the shot were very poor, he didn’t even flinch. Not often you see a keeper at the top level completely rooted to the spot.

I'm not sure Trafford saves it but there is no way he just stands and watches it, fully agree with you on that

[Claretprinter]

Watched the second half only and within 15 minutes I was marvelling at the range of passes Muric was putting out. Both to our wings and stright down the middle.
Yes there was a blip at the end but I do wonder if both him and Cullen in the team was the reason why we looked better IMO.

Not saying Trafford out, but I did notice a difference and I felt alot more confident than I have all season with JT in goal.

[Nori1958]

Watched the second half only and within 15 minutes I was marvelling at the range of passes Muric was putting out. Both to our wings and stright down the middle.
Yes there was a blip at the end but I do wonder if both him and Cullen in the team was the reason why we looked better IMO.

Not saying Trafford out, but I did notice a difference and I felt alot more confident than I have all season with JT in goal.

If you'd watched the first half you'd have heard Lee Dixon being critical of his distribution, saying he needed to look at the situation in front of him, after he'd given the ball to spurs twice in a short period of time

[bumba]

If you'd watched the first half you'd have heard Lee Dixon being critical of his distribution, saying he needed to look at the situation in front of him, after he'd given the ball to spurs twice in a short period of time

What Lee Dixon should have said is 'but that's how the manager asks his goalkeepers to play' same as JT shouldn't be asked to play that way because he struggles.
Bit of ring rust for Muric. Still our best keeper by a mile.

[bumba]

I'm not sure Trafford saves it but there is no way he just stands and watches it, fully agree with you on that

I don't believe any goalkeeper saves that shot, freak goal

[Quickenthetempo]

If you'd watched the first half you'd have heard Lee Dixon being critical of his distribution, saying he needed to look at the situation in front of him, after he'd given the ball to spurs twice in a short period of time

He was also salivating over the fact Muric kicked a goal kick over the half way line.

Strange bloke.

[Nori1958]

He was also salivating over the fact Muric kicked a goal kick over the half way line.

Strange bloke.

Unless we've a title winning, international defender posting on here, I think I'll still take his opinion on defensive matters more than the so called experts on here, strange bloke or not

[Quickenthetempo]

Unless we've a title winning, international defender posting on here, I think I'll still take his opinion on defensive matters more than the so called experts on here, strange bloke or not

A supporters messageboard probably isn't the best place for you.
To my knowledge a title winning International defender has never given his opinions out on here.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I don't believe any goalkeeper saves that shot, freak goal

You must be too young then to have seen Roger Hansbury or Joe Neenan play. Both save that

[Carlos the Great]

Let’s play Muric for the second half of the season and see where it takes us ..

[spt_claret]

I don't particularly think Muric is 'erratic' by the way - I think he's got exceptional vision and is very confident in his abilities - some of the more rash/poor judgement stuff he will cut out as he gains experience and develops (though development sadly curtailed by VK).

Just think for natural ability he is top tier. Speed of passes - it's like watching Trent drill them in to players. Some player to watch for me.

Even when he rushes out for example he doesn't dally - once he makes his mind up he really goes for it and of course he's been caught out for it at times but I'd still prefer my keeper to be super committed. Think the team really benefits from it.

Again - look at the positions the team took up in possession with him in net - we stretched the pitch laterally and horizontally so much more than we have done prior.

Really think he's a supremely talented individual. Not many goalies with his footballing ability in world football - deadly serious.

I love Muric, but I think he absolutely is erratic that said I still would play him over Trafford if we persist with the pass it out, create from possession play through zones style, because he's better suited to it than Trafford even with his chaos.
I think in some ways the fact he thinks and reacts so quickly is the problem. He's moving the ball out faster than a teammate is ready to respond, and up against a team where the opposition are faster both physically and mentally than our players, so react quicker and press immediately, that's a problem. His vision is genuinely absurd for a goalkeeper in that regard but if the rest of the team aren't of that same speed of mind & body they need a moment to position and prepare or they'll find themselves in trouble and under pressure. I think in a really top counter-attacking team of sharp players he'd be superb- as he was last year where our players were physically quicker and, once used to the setup mentally sharper, than any team in the Championship. But for a team that lacks that extra yard mentally & physically, it's trying to run before you can walk at times. That plus the fact he will do unexpected bizarre things is a risk.

But again, we've lost points this season anyway from trying to play out, Trafford's made errors that have cost goals or put us right back under pressure, so I don't think there's much to lose when we're losing often anyway, even if Trafford has turned in some excellent performances as of late. This is sort of what the Joe Hart situation has been misremembered as- people remember Hart as not doing anything wrong and playing well but Heaton settling the defence better and getting us going. Truth is Hart never had a good game for us, he wasn't directly at fault for a ton of goals but never covered himself in glory either. Trafford by contrast has had 3 games now where he's been MOTM in 2, very good in the third. I'd play him if we were more of a Dyche style side that tried to sit deeper, sacrificed possession & control of play for trying to hit fast on counter attacks & breaks. We're not doing that so even if Trafford's been playing better, the results haven't been coming, so I'd try Muric for a couple games to see if results change. If not, Trafford back in, rethink of tactics.

The fact we're where we are and have refused to adapt our approach beyond a formation change is mad to me. The formation change is largely superficial, we're an ultra high 442 which verges on 424 or 334 at times, previously we've played 4231 shifting to 334 and 541 shifting to 334 the only real difference is our out of possession shape. No tactical rethink, and tweaking every player but the keeper when as is often quoted, Trafford's the most utilised keeper in the league so a pass-it-out keeper is VITAL to our tactics. We don't do Trafford any favours with this style, doesn't play to his strengths, and he's young enough that we don't need him instantly in the shop window to generate ROI even at the high price (although that again brings up the 'why sign him now' argument but whatever'). Putting Muric in to put HIM in shop window and better suit the system while Trafford plays in the cup would make more sense to me. Or hell, if we were ahead against teams like Luton or Forest maybe even do the rare keeper sub and bring Trafford on for 15-20, shift setup slightly to go more conservative and see out results and let him bed in.

[RHansburyEsq]

You must be too young then to have seen Roger Hansbury or Joe Neenan play. Both save that

Aye

[claret2018]

Does he drive a grey Porsche Cayenne do we know? I passed one today with the plate MURI4

[Rileybobs]

Does he drive a grey Porsche Cayenne do we know? I passed one today with the plate MURI4

I doubt a high profile member of the Kosovan mafia is cruising around with a private number plate.

[Big Vinny K]

Does he drive a grey Porsche Cayenne do we know? I passed one today with the plate MURI4

Think that’s him.
The 4 is for how many times he’s played this season.
We are out of the cups now so he won’t have to change it.

[Anthonini]

He did a quick counter attack throw out to catch them up the field, Amdouni controlled it and then tried to kick it through Porro's legs, if Amdouni hadn't done that he wouldnt have had a free run on goal to strike his worldclass shot . If anything it was a good spot from Muric but he gets blamed by people that havent got a clue.

Cant believe some people reckon any goalkeeper could have got to that shot , obviously never played football in their life.

If you let an attacker have a free shot at the net unchallenged he usually scores especially in the prem, something which happended to Trafford against Brentford and Mbelmo when we played there.

Bless you mate you're acting as if Amdouni was miles open. Which he wasn't as there was a defender rushing towards him. Calling people clueless over it is next level. Had Trafford thrown a ball like that he would get the stick for weeks after.

[Belgianclaret]

A supporters messageboard probably isn't the best place for you.
To my knowledge a title winning International defender has never given his opinions out on here.

You’re right there.

I used to be a forward

[dougcollins]

You must be too young then to have seen Roger Hansbury or Joe Neenan play. Both save that

Even if they were both in at the same time they'd probably collide with each other.