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[alwaysaclaret]

Which battled hardened forward, who would score goals do you think would come to burnley at this point?

Agree, would be hard to find one at this stage.

[alwaysaclaret]

You’ve misunderstood the specific stat. It doesn’t matter how many shots are faced. It measures the quality of shot faced and how many have actually gone in vs expected to. For a comparison, Gavin Bazunu faced the most shots in the league for Southampton last season, yet he was ranked as the worst in the entire league by this metric.

This is one of the main problems of where we are imo. The analystics etc, I mentioned on another thread after the Everton game, vk and he's backroom putting far too much emphasis on this, instead of watching and seeing acting on what they see on the pitch, lots of our problems this season are basics, not rocket science, just simple things right in front of our eye's, yet I think vk is a huge advocate of the analystic side of the game, however it doesn't always tell the true picture, in fact rarely. End of the day, all we need to know re analystics is how many goals are in the net.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Weak poster. Troll. Sit yourself down, keyboard warrior

That all you’ve got to defend him losing us another couple of point?

[123EasyasBFC]

For context he missed as many crosses as he claimed.

Also we have conceded more long range goals than anyone in the league.

Does conceding long range shots make you not a good shot stopper?

[Goliath]

Which battled hardened forward, who would score goals do you think would come to burnley at this point?

Bamford

[Shaggy]

Does conceding long range shots make you not a good shot stopper?

It was a fact which came from the tv on Friday night against Luton.

It certainly puts into question positioning and defence organisation which is controlled by the goalkeeper.

[TheFamilyCat]

It was a fact which came from the tv on Friday night against Luton.

It certainly puts into question positioning and defence organisation which is controlled by the goalkeeper.

I've read some ******** on this board but I think this must win some sort of prize.

[Nonayforever]

Which battled hardened forward, who would score goals do you think would come to burnley at this point?

It doesn't have to be someone with a goal scoring record.
It needs to be someone who came make space for Fostr or Amdouni, someone who can put themselves about a bit, someone who can work with their backs to the goal and someone who can close defenders down.
It's not always about scoring goals.
.

[Wokingclaret]

It doesn't have to be someone with a goal scoring record.
It needs to be someone who came make space for Fostr or Amdouni, someone who can put themselves about a bit, someone who can work with their backs to the goal and someone who can close defenders down.
It's not always about scoring goals.
.

Like the Luton strikers

[Shaggy]

I've read some ******** on this board but I think this must win some sort of prize.

In your opinion… which means jack

[Nori1958]

It doesn't have to be someone with a goal scoring record.
It needs to be someone who came make space for Fostr or Amdouni, someone who can put themselves about a bit, someone who can work with their backs to the goal and someone who can close defenders down.
It's not always about scoring goals.
.

Weghorst?

[Nonayforever]

Weghorst?

That Ship has sailed.

[TheFamilyCat]

In your opinion… which means jack

No, it was ********.

[Anthonini]

Another great game from our goalkeeper. Faultless again as far as I'm concerned. Some say he made a mistake by trying to claim the cross at Luton's equaliser but it looked like a good decision to me. Ref should have always called a foul.

Each game I'm more impressed by his abilities. Definitely PL standard and probably better already than half of the league.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

This is one of the main problems of where we are imo. The analystics etc, I mentioned on another thread after the Everton game, vk and he's backroom putting far too much emphasis on this, instead of watching and seeing acting on what they see on the pitch, lots of our problems this season are basics, not rocket science, just simple things right in front of our eye's, yet I think vk is a huge advocate of the analystic side of the game, however it doesn't always tell the true picture, in fact rarely. End of the day, all we need to know re analystics is how many goals are in the net.

I dont know his job role but the guy behind VK on his laptop at the match is a good one to watch with his furrowed brow. Im guessing he is watching realtime stats?

[Swizzlestick]

Another great game from our goalkeeper. Faultless again as far as I'm concerned. Some say he made a mistake by trying to claim the cross at Luton's equaliser but it looked like a good decision to me. Ref should have always called a foul.

Each game I'm more impressed by his abilities. Definitely PL standard and probably better already than half of the league.

Insane shout.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Insane shout.

This guy is definitely either on VK or Traffords payroll or has been partaking in magic mushrooms.

[beddie]

I dont know his job role but the guy behind VK on his laptop at the match is a good one to watch with his furrowed brow. Im guessing he is watching realtime stats?

He’s probably bored so watching Corry on catch up tv. I could be wrong of course, it could be Emmerdale.

[123EasyasBFC]

It was a fact which came from the tv on Friday night against Luton.

It certainly puts into question positioning and defence organisation which is controlled by the goalkeeper.

Friday night was one of his better games for us, his shot stopping can’t be questioned, I have questioned him on all other areas of his game but on Friday night against a physical Luton team apart from the goal which is a foul I thought the back 5 did a good job defending the crosses in the box

[Shaggy]

Friday night was one of his better games for us, his shot stopping can’t be questioned, I have questioned him on all other areas of his game but on Friday night against a physical Luton team apart from the goal which is a foul I thought the back 5 did a good job defending the crosses in the box

He had 2 shots to save. Barkleys long range effort which he made a meal of and done some weird 1 handed dive ( he could have caught it if he stood still ) and the near post effort.

There were some powder puff efforts here and there but that’s all he had to do. Then there was the looping ball which he padded behind, a 12 year old could have caught that one.

He came out and caught some balls correct. I was actually quite pleased and impressed at the ones he claimed, equally there were at least 3 which flashed across the box where he was in no man’s land and was no where near the ball or his line.

His distribution was again very poor.

Now I’m not saying he had a bad game but it certainly wasn’t excellent. Kaminaki had a better game by far, Kaminski is a better keeper than Trafford though.

[123EasyasBFC]

He had 2 shots to save. Barkleys long range effort which he made a meal of and done some weird 1 handed dive ( he could have caught it if he stood still ) and the near post effort.

There were some powder puff efforts here and there but that’s all he had to do. Then there was the looping ball which he padded behind, a 12 year old could have caught that one.

He came out and caught some balls correct. I was actually quite pleased and impressed at the ones he claimed, equally there were at least 3 which flashed across the box where he was in no man’s land and was no where near the ball or his line.

His distribution was again very poor.

Now I’m not saying he had a bad game but it certainly wasn’t excellent. Kaminaki had a better game by far, Kaminski is a better keeper than Trafford though.

There’s no way Kaminski had a better game, he kicked the ball out of play for 90 minutes, both Trafford and Kaminski made the saves they needed to make.

There’s been games where Trafford has deserved abit of stick but other than the decision to come out in the 93rd minute even though it was a foul I think it was one of his best overall games

[Shaggy]

There’s no way Kaminski had a better game, he kicked the ball out of play for 90 minutes, both Trafford and Kaminski made the saves they needed to make.

There’s been games where Trafford has deserved abit of stick but other than the decision to come out in the 93rd minute even though it was a foul I think it was one of his best overall games

Kaminski had a far better game. He had some hard difficult saves to make, trafford didn’t.

You need to take your Trafford tinted specs off and look at the bigger picture.

If that was one of his best games then it show a you how poor he has been this season. He was decent against Luton with some shakey moments nothing less nothing more.

The new fashion seems to be blow anything slightly positive Trafford does up.

[123EasyasBFC]

Kaminski had a far better game. He had some hard difficult saves to make, trafford didn’t.

You need to take your Trafford tinted specs off and look at the bigger picture.

If that was one of his best games then it show a you how poor he has been this season. He was decent against Luton with some shakey moments nothing less nothing more.

The new fashion seems to be blow anything slightly positive Trafford does up.

You clearly haven’t seen how much I have said that muric should be starting all season then hahaha, but for once I actually thought Trafford had an all round good game.

Kaminski made one save and that was JBG, who should have scored or squared it to Odobert, the rest were regulation saves. His kicking all night was terrible, you can’t say Trafford was poor and Kaminski was good surely you are on the wind up

[Anthonini]

Insane shout.

Because I don't feel the need to pointlessly criticise players that actually played a good game after a disappointing result?

Look at the player ratings. Trafford is getting the highest scores. Again. He did just about everything right.

[Swizzlestick]

Because I don't feel the need to pointlessly criticise players that actually played a good game after a disappointing result?

Look at the player ratings. Trafford is getting the highest scores. Again. He did just about everything right.

It was more aimed at the ‘probably better than half of the league’ line.

It’s not pointless criticism - it’s constrictive criticism about the team and what we can do to remedy the sorry situation we are in. The goalkeeper change was a huge call and it hasn’t paid off in my opinion - while not the only reason, it’s a key reason why we’ve derailed from our style of play. We’re now trying to play a more pragmatic style which I understand away to Arsenal or something, but not home to Luton. Trafford has lots of potential but he isn’t ready. The ratings are high because he produced some good shot stopping in the many games we’ve been under the cosh, but it’s not the full story.

[Darnhill Claret]

In trying to analyse the Luton equaliser I have come to the conclusion that Trafford was a little high on his Friday night successes in claiming high balls. I think his original decision was to stay on his line. That changed with a late change of mind but lead to a slight misjudgement on the flight of the ball, which meant that he then had to get through a line of players to get to the ball and that late change of mind left him floundering, fouled or not.
Lesson to be learned. Don't change your mind in those situations. The original decision would have led to a simple catch on the line.

Hindsight eh.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Remember when it was claimed by some there is no agenda on here from the Muric fan boys

[quoonbeatz]

It's also the type of challenge we've been moaning about for years when they go against us saying keepers get to much protection.
No way is he taking that ball with ease, even the pundits saying he was fouled have said he had misjudged the flight of the ball.
He would have been no where near it but that's irrelevant it's all about the challenge and he crumbled he should have taken Adebayo out to get that ball.

Might have looked that way to them on telly but it happened right in front of me and he would have claimed it easily. His run was taking him to the perfect spot when he was blocked.

[boatshed bill]

i'd love to know what pleasure posters get from constantly criticising management chairman and players.

[claretonthecoast1882]

i'd love to know what pleasure posters get from constantly criticising management chairman and players.

In fairness they have just done 12 months without much to whinge about, there was always going to be a huge amount of nonsense posted once we had a bad run

[StayingDown4Ever]

Another great game from our goalkeeper. Faultless again as far as I'm concerned. Some say he made a mistake by trying to claim the cross at Luton's equaliser but it looked like a good decision to me. Ref should have always called a foul.

Each game I'm more impressed by his abilities. Definitely PL standard and probably better already than half of the league.

It looked like a good decision to you!?

[alwaysaclaret]

i'd love to know what pleasure posters get from constantly criticising management chairman and players.

Christ, surely you realise people don't get pleasure from this, or at least true fan's don't, we all want our club to be doing well, but there are so many failings this season that are leaving the majority no alternative but to be critical, and the main thing is many of the failings are basic that in my mind are learnt at grass roots level, and if the player's don't possess that, then vk has failed too, and that's the thing that lots are whinging about, no one seems to be learning, including vk.

[boatshed bill]

It looked like a good decision to you!?

I'd like to know why the forward with whom he collided was facing the wrong way?
If that's not a deliberate obstruction I don't know what is!

[Anthonini]

It looked like a good decision to you!?

Easy ball for him he's huge. Ref should have always called it.

[Jamesy]

Christ, surely you realise people don't get pleasure from this, or at least true fan's don't, we all want our club to be doing well, but there are so many failings this season that are leaving the majority no alternative but to be critical, and the main thing is many of the failings are basic that in my mind are learnt at grass roots level, and if the player's don't possess that, then vk has failed too, and that's the thing that lots are whinging about, no one seems to be learning, including vk.

VK doesn’t want to learn, his big ego won’t let him.
I have said it before, in his head he thinks it is just going to “click” and we will climb out of the relegation zone with his young hand picked starlets. Then the media will applaud him and blow smoke up his @rse for sticking to his guns.
He needs to pray that Everton get docked another ten and Forest fifteen for this to have any chance of happening.
I was a big VK fan and felt that what he achieved last season put us back in the spotlight. Sadly, now I think he is just deluded.

[boatshed bill]

Christ, surely you realise people don't get pleasure from this, or at least true fan's don't, we all want our club to be doing well, but there are so many failings this season that are leaving the majority no alternative but to be critical, and the main thing is many of the failings are basic that in my mind are learnt at grass roots level, and if the player's don't possess that, then vk has failed too, and that's the thing that lots are whinging about, no one seems to be learning, including vk.

Well, they certainly spend a whole lot of their time moaning.

[taio]

VK doesn’t want to learn, his big ego won’t let him.
I have said it before, in his head he thinks it is just going to “click” and we will climb out of the relegation zone with his young hand picked starlets. Then the media will applaud him and blow smoke up his @rse for sticking to his guns.
He needs to pray that Everton get docked another ten and Forest fifteen for this to have any chance of happening.
I was a big VK fan and felt that what he achieved last season put us back in the spotlight. Sadly, now I think he is just deluded.

Some strong words here. I can't get my head around someone saying there were a big fan and recognising his achievements only eight months ago to calling him deluded and questioning his character with words like big ego. I suppose fickle is the word.

[alwaysaclaret]

Well, they certainly spend a whole lot of their time moaning.

I agree they do, at the moment there's good reason imo, but I for one would prefer it to be the opposite, not something I enjoy believe me. There are some positives clearly, but they are by far outweighed by the negatives I'm afraid. There were many that were worried re alk's purchasing of the club, and did fade into the background after such a great season last season, but going forward I really fear for the direction the club is going in, because I'm passionate.

[Nori1958]

VK doesn’t want to learn, his big ego won’t let him.
I have said it before, in his head he thinks it is just going to “click” and we will climb out of the relegation zone with his young hand picked starlets. Then the media will applaud him and blow smoke up his @rse for sticking to his guns.
He needs to pray that Everton get docked another ten and Forest fifteen for this to have any chance of happening.
I was a big VK fan and felt that what he achieved last season put us back in the spotlight. Sadly, now I think he is just deluded.

Fickle doesn't even cover this..

[StayingDown4Ever]

Fickle doesn't even cover this..

He’s right though. This season has so far been an embarrassing failure.

Some of our supporters are desperately trying to blame officials, VAR etc most weeks now instead of just accepting that our players continue to make mistakes most weeks that have left us in this humiliating position.

Recruitment was awful in the summer and Vincent is either too proud or stupid to rectify some of his mistakes with his selections - mainly the one around the goalkeeper.

[bumba]

Might have looked that way to them on telly but it happened right in front of me and he would have claimed it easily. His run was taking him to the perfect spot when he was blocked.

I've watched it many times he wasn't getting anywhere near it hence why he crumbled at the slightest touch praying for a foul

[claretonthecoast1882]

Quite a few threads on here remind me of the most accurate comment I have read about football fans. It used to be perfect for Blackburn fans now it sadly is for some of ours.

"If you jump on a bandwagon during the good times, it makes it hard to know how to react in tough times"

[Nori1958]

I've watched it many times he wasn't getting anywhere near it hence why he crumbled at the slightest touch praying for a foul

He could have been punched to the ground, kicked in the head and held down whilst they scored, and you'd have still found a way to blame him, so forgive me if I take no notice of what you may, or may not have seen during the many times of watching it

[quoonbeatz]

I've watched it many times he wasn't getting anywhere near it hence why he crumbled at the slightest touch praying for a foul

Like I said, might look like that on telly but it's not what happened. He comes out with eyes on the ball the whole time until he's knocked down by probably the strongest player on the pitch deliberately barging into him.

[CoolClaret]

Like I said, might look like that on telly but it's not what happened. He comes out with eyes on the ball the whole time until he's knocked down by probably the strongest player on the pitch deliberately barging into him.

He doesn't run in one continuous motion though with the momentum of the run, he steps out, hesitates then decides to go for it, jumps with no pace and then falls over instantly at a point of contact.

It's a foul

BUT

I'm sure as **** convinved if he runs and goes at that with the full intent to claim it (take a whack in the process) we get a foul there.

[quoonbeatz]

He doesn't run in one continuous motion though with the momentum of the run, he steps out, hesitates then decides to go for it, jumps with no pace and then falls over instantly at a point of contact.

It's a foul

BUT

I'm sure as **** convinved if he runs and goes at that with the full intent to claim it (take a whack in the process) we get a foul there.

Also not what happens. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't come running full pelt because the ball is hanging a bit. He also doesn't juno because he gets knocked over. He really can't do any more in that situation.

[CoolClaret]

Also not what happens. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't come running full pelt because the ball is hanging a bit. He also doesn't juno because he gets knocked over. He really can't do any more in that situation.

You just made my point for me - he timed it poorly and flopped looking for a foul knowing he wasn't getting there.

[quoonbeatz]

You just made my point for me - he timed it poorly and flopped looking for a foul knowing he wasn't getting there.

If your point was that he timed it right and was fouled, then yes, I made your point for you.

[taio]

Desperate criticism suggesting Trafford wasn't getting anywhere near the ball without the foul.

[Darthlaw]

Agenda driven criticism suggesting Trafford wasn't getting anywhere near the ball without the foul.

Corrected that for you