TRAFFORD

[claretonthecoast1882]

Corrected that for you

Come on there is no agenda on here with Trafford. Also no irony in some crying he doesn't come for balls now crying because he came for one and was fouled. A week after the weird episode of absolving Muric of any involvement in the Spurs goal in the cup too.

[Jakubclaret]

Desperate criticism suggesting Trafford wasn't getting anywhere near the ball without the foul.

He wasn't let's be honest I don't think so anyway & I actually prefer trafford to muric & regarding the foul that within itself is debatable if it was a foul roughly 1 in 3 people thought it wasn't going off the BBC poll so it's hardly conclusive.

[taio]

He wasn't let's be honest I don't think so anyway & I actually prefer trafford to muric & regarding the foul that within itself is debatable if it was a foul roughly 1 in 3 people thought it wasn't going off the BBC poll so it's hardly conclusive.

As always, it reaffirms my view when you say the opposite.

I saw a poll where two-thirds thought it was a foul - not that it matters.

[Jakubclaret]

As always, it reaffirms my view when you say the opposite.

I saw a poll where two-thirds thought it was a foul - not that it matters.

Well obviously that's what left when a third don't agree regarding not agreeing I'm definitely not a lone voice in the wilderness & it's not agenda driven because I prefer trafford & if you've noticed I haven't once waded into the boring trafford vs muric debates that have often frequented the forum.

[FCBurnley]

There is one very under used word re goalkeepers and that is ‘presence’. Most of the great goalkeepers have it in bucketloads. One of our 2 main keepers has it and one hasn’t. I watched Martinez ( who I don’t particularly like) yesterday and he has it in abundance. The double save yesterday certainly cost Everton 2 points. He just automatically knew where to be to give himself a chance of saving from DCL That was presence and sadly that is what James Trafford is lacking. He is every bit as good a shot stopper as any of the top guys but his starting positions invariably give him problems. He is improving and will no doubt become a great keeper but he should be learning out on loan and not in the Premier League at our expense

[claretonthecoast1882]

There is one very under used word re goalkeepers and that is ‘presence’. Most of the great goalkeepers have it in bucketloads. One of our 2 main keepers has it and one hasn’t. I watched Martinez ( who I don’t particularly like) yesterday and he has it in abundance. The double save yesterday certainly cost Everton 2 points. He just automatically knew where to be to give himself a chance of saving from DCL That was presence and sadly that is what James Trafford is lacking. He is every bit as good a shot stopper as any of the top guys but his starting positions invariably give him problems. He is improving and will no doubt become a great keeper but he should be learning out on loan and not in the Premier League at our expense

Which keeper are you claiming has a presence ? I presume the one we signed from Orient is who you mean ?

[Jamesy]

Some strong words here. I can't get my head around someone saying there were a big fan and recognising his achievements only eight months ago to calling him deluded and questioning his character with words like big ego. I suppose fickle is the word.

I’m certainly not fickle. Bit of a cheap shot that in my opinion as I still attend games and still support my club financially and my team on the pitch.
Just because of what he achieved last season shouldn’t exempt him from criticism. Many posters are calling VK stubborn in sticking with his approach and his team selections. I agree with them but feel it is down to his large ego which is keeping us on this path to relegation.
I believe he really thinks that all of a sudden it will just come good and he will be championed for sticking to his guns. Therefore I think he is deluded also. Get your head around it if you can but if you can’t, don’t accuse me of being fickle. It’s a messageboard remember. A messageboard to air views and opinions.

[bumba]

Like I said, might look like that on telly but it's not what happened. He comes out with eyes on the ball the whole time until he's knocked down by probably the strongest player on the pitch deliberately barging into him.

May have looked like that at first viewing but I'm certain you can judge the flight of the ball and watch Trafford and be certain he's catching it.
I've watched it a lot of times and seen many angles, he's miles away from the ball

[bumba]

He could have been punched to the ground, kicked in the head and held down whilst they scored, and you'd have still found a way to blame him, so forgive me if I take no notice of what you may, or may not have seen during the many times of watching it

If your taking no notice of what I say why quote me and reply to me?
So your agenda is now against me and Muric?
Very odd behaviour.
Your golden boy let the team down you quickly blamed mUric for Amdouni losing possession last week but Trafford makes the biggest error of our season in the biggest game that's two big errors in two big 6 pointers yet you still defend him

[Westleigh]

Christ, surely you realise people don't get pleasure from this, or at least true fan's don't, we all want our club to be doing well, but there are so many failings this season that are leaving the majority no alternative but to be critical, and the main thing is many of the failings are basic that in my mind are learnt at grass roots level, and if the player's don't possess that, then vk has failed too, and that's the thing that lots are whinging about, no one seems to be learning, including vk.

How dare you critice do you not realise that it’s impossible for you to be a Burnley fan ,your always moaning ,you have an agenda,we didn’t hear from you season blah blah ,blah ,the only true fans are the ones that never complain,do all the happy clappers think us moaners do it for the good of our heath?,do they not realise that we care ,and do they not realise that this season has been dreadful,and do they remember VK saying we’d get better every game,and do they not know that VK has a vested interest in the scouting system,but hey stop moaning they know best.

[StayingDown4Ever]

If your taking no notice of what I say why quote me and reply to me?
So your agenda is now against me and Muric?
Very odd behaviour.
Your golden boy let the team down you quickly blamed mUric for Amdouni losing possession last week but Trafford makes the biggest error of our season in the biggest game that's two big errors in two big 6 pointers yet you still defend him

His heart must have sank more than anyone’s when Trafford dropped that clanger on Friday night. I strongly suspect he instantly thought about how he could defend him on this board knowing full well people would be highlighting the latest blunder.

[Nori1958]

His heart must have sank more than anyone’s when Trafford dropped that clanger on Friday night. I strongly suspect he instantly thought about how he could defend him on this board knowing full well people would be highlighting the latest blunder.

At least I now know you just post jokes

[Hapag Lloyd]

His heart must have sank more than anyone’s when Trafford dropped that clanger on Friday night. I strongly suspect he instantly thought about how he could defend him on this board knowing full well people would be highlighting the latest blunder.

Whereas you probably jumped for joy and logged on straight away to “highlight the latest blunder”

[quoonbeatz]

May have looked like that at first viewing but I'm certain you can judge the flight of the ball and watch Trafford and be certain he's catching it.

Agreed.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Whereas you probably jumped for joy and logged on straight away to “highlight the latest blunder”

Almost straight away. I had to wait for VAR first.

[Leisure]

,do all the happy clappers think us moaners do it for the good of our heath?,

Why do you do it? You surely can't think that the Chairman and Manager will take any notice of the stuff posted on here! So what is the point?

[Westleigh]

Why do you do it? You surely can't think that the Chairman and Manager will take any notice of the stuff posted on here! So what is the point?

So if your having a conversation with someone about any subject that your not particularly happy ,perhaps that the weather is crap ,or there’s long queues at the airport ,you just stand there and say nothing because you can’t do anything about it .

[Darthlaw]

So if your having a conversation with someone about any subject that your not particularly happy ,perhaps that the weather is crap ,or there’s long queues at the airport ,you just stand there and say nothing because you can’t do anything about it .

Clearly you hammer a massive paragraph off on the tripadvisor page or BBC weather forum, so that everyone knows how very upset you are.

Reminds me of Hans Blix in team America

“We will be very angry with you and write you a letter telling you how angry we are”

https://youtu.be/UIPSvIz9NDs?si=DPw-D4UC2HZR1SK8

[Westleigh]

Clearly you hammer a massive paragraph off on the tripadvisor page or BBC weather forum, so that everyone knows how very upset you are.

Reminds me of Hans Blix in team America

“We will be very angry with you and write you a letter telling you how angry we are”

https://youtu.be/UIPSvIz9NDs?si=DPw-D4UC2HZR1SK8

Very good ,I bet your one of these who laughs loudest at his own pathetic jokes.

[Leisure]

So if your having a conversation with someone about any subject that your not particularly happy ,perhaps that the weather is crap ,or there’s long queues at the airport ,you just stand there and say nothing because you can’t do anything about it .

No but I don't go on a messageboard and moan about it!

[Anthonini]

His heart must have sank more than anyone’s when Trafford dropped that clanger on Friday night. I strongly suspect he instantly thought about how he could defend him on this board knowing full well people would be highlighting the latest blunder.

It was still a foul and a perfect game by Trafford.

[boatshed bill]

It was still a foul and a perfect game by Trafford.

And the point I would make is that whether JT would have got the ball or not is not the ref's decision to make.

[bumba]

Foul or no foul JT's decision to come and crumble put the decision in the referees hands when he didn't need too.
He gambled on a foul and lost.

[boatshed bill]

Foul or no foul JT's decision to come and crumble put the decision in the referees hands when he didn't need too.
He gambled on a foul and lost.

You don't get it. The ref has to judge whether it's a foul or not, nothing else.
I think it was a foul. The chaps on TalkCrap this afternoon agree with me. So do plenty of neutrals who watched the game.

[bumba]

You don't get it. The ref has to judge whether it's a foul or not, nothing else.
I think it was a foul. The chaps on TalkCrap this afternoon agree with me. So do plenty of neutrals who watched the game.

Don't get what? The referee didn't feel it was a foul, I don't think it was a foul, many Burnley fans and footballs I've spoken too don't think it's a foul, many ex players including Shay Given who was a goalkeeper doesn't think it's a foul and this is where the problem lies. It isn't a clear and obvious error if the general public after viewing it many times still has a split decision.
The referee judged it as no foul, JT should never have put that decision in their hands.

[Robbie_painter]

Don't get what? The referee didn't feel it was a foul, I don't think it was a foul, many Burnley fans and footballs I've spoken too don't think it's a foul, many ex players including Shay Given who was a goalkeeper doesn't think it's a foul and this is where the problem lies. It isn't a clear and obvious error if the general public after viewing it many times still has a split decision.
The referee judged it as no foul, JT should never have put that decision in their hands.

You talk to footballs??

[Westleigh]

No but I don't go on a messageboard and moan about it!

No but your on the message board moaning about me.How is it that nobody comes and says what a wonderful game it was and gets hammered by the so called moaners because they don’t moan for moaning sake ,yet as soon as someone moans about a bad result the happy clappers are all over them like a cheap suit.

[Leisure]

No but your on the message board moaning about me.How is it that nobody comes and says what a wonderful game it was and gets hammered by the so called moaners because they don’t moan for moaning sake ,yet as soon as someone moans about a bad result the happy clappers are all over them like a cheap suit.

Who's moaning about you? I'm trying to understand what's to be achieved by people continuing to try to blame Trafford and discussing whether it was or wasn't a foul on him? It wasn't given, unfortunately, but what's done is done. Best to get over it and move on..

[Anthonini]

You talk to footballs??

Wilson

[Kilson810]

For context, this was deemed a foul on the GK in the championship

https://twitter.com/sundaychants/status ... KlBk8DbS5Q

[StayingDown4Ever]

Chances of Vincent doing the right thing for the Fulham game?

[GetIntoEm]

Chances of Vincent doing the right thing for the Fulham game?

Come on troll, explain it to us.

[beddie]

For context, this was deemed a foul on the GK in the championship

https://twitter.com/sundaychants/status ... KlBk8DbS5Q

This is a joke right? If not how could anyone of sound mind arrive at that conclusion.

[Leisure]

Chances of Vincent doing the right thing for the Fulham game?

Surely you're not blaming Trafford for the goals and defeat tonight! But then again, knowing your vendetta against him you probably are!

[boatshed bill]

Surely you're not blaming Trafford for the goals and defeat tonight! But then again, knowing your vendetta against him you probably are!

Well, Leisure, someone further back the match thread has explained in detail why Trafford was at fault for the 3rd goal.
We have a goalkeeping coach on here

[GetIntoEm]

Course he is. Him and a couple of others are that devoid of any footballing knowledge that they think the goalkeeper is responsible for every goal conceded. My 9 year old daughter knows better than this .

[Kilson810]

This is a joke right? If not how could anyone of sound mind arrive at that conclusion.

No joke I am afraid. The referee gave this as a foul on the GK

[South West Claret.]

Trafford was the only player who demonstrated a sense of energy.

[alwaysaclaret]

Trafford was the only player who demonstrated a sense of energy.

[Foshiznik]

We've had some useless players in our squad over the years but I wouldn't have put Trafford anywhere near the top of the list for the most hated.

Why can't we all agree Trafford is better than Muric and some things and Muric is better than Trafford at other things. Both are Burnley players who are picked by a manager our club employees so surely if we are Burnley fans we support any player who pulls on the shirt, even if we think someone else is better rather than hope for a mistake to lombast or relentlessly defend based on which side of the argument you are on? I really don't want us to turn into a club where a situation like that at Spurs with Hossam Ghaly or Arsenal with Emmanuel Eboue where our own fans boo their own player just because they prefer a different player in their position?!

I genuinely like both goalkeepers and don't think there is much between them, particularly in terms of changing the outcome so far this season (as in if Muric had played all season instead i don't think we would have any more or less points so far).

[South West Claret.]

Apart from picking the ball out of the net he didn’t have to much to do I thought last night.

[aggi]

This is a joke right? If not how could anyone of sound mind arrive at that conclusion.

That was actually on the same night that we played Luton.

[alwaysaclaret]

Apart from picking the ball out of the net he didn’t have to much to do I thought last night.

Maybe he had some energy while doing that

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The precedent for allowing backing into keepers was well and truly set with the Trafford incident as that Everton equaliser has just shown

[StayingDown4Ever]

Absolutely sick of him. It’s embarrassing he continues to be selected.

[BobLordsPencil]

For what reason?

[Goliath]

Could have done better but im not sure its really his fault, Vitinho was the culprit, playing them onside with his total lack of a brain

[Ric_C]

Awful again today. Weak as **** and I'm sick of watching him flap around and not command his box.

A strange hill for VK to die on

[CoolClaret]

Still not seeing it myself either. Think he makes the team noticeably worse.

[Robbie_painter]

Absolutely sick of him. It’s embarrassing he continues to be selected.

Not as embarrassing as your posts.