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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:41 am
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:38 am
He’s been a regular starter for Montpellier since November so I can’t see him wanting to come here just to sit on the bench
Maybe we’ll loan him to Dundee

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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:42 am
NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:40 am
I’d agree.
Although a top drawer right winger would not disappoint me if Benson leaves. I’d prefer he stay.
I just hope we arnt making the same mistakes as the summer window and signing players that are not a priority.
Full backs and centre mids have got to be the priority this window
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by burnley007 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 am
1.93 metres is pretty tall.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:42 am
I just hope we arnt making the same mistakes as the summer window and signing players that are not a priority.
Full backs and centre mids have got to be the priority this window
Because we are potentially signing a cb doesn’t mean don’t have full backs and cm as priority, it’s all about when players comes available.
For example if our main target is Gueye who’s away with AFCON, that’s always a deal that will be last minute
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:51 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:42 am
I just hope we arnt making the same mistakes as the summer window and signing players that are not a priority.
Full backs and centre mids have got to be the priority this window
I agree on the priorities, but I think the club might view it now as just bringing in the top talent when you can. Or maybe they see a different plan - if they see Ramsey and Massengo as CM’s, for example, and they’re training well, maybe they see different priorities. Perhaps Beyer or O’Shea to RB to accommodate Estève.
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:52 am
burnley007 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 am
1.93 metres is pretty tall.
Looks good in the air too.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:57 am
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 am
Because we are potentially signing a cb doesn’t mean don’t have full backs and cm as priority, it’s all about when players comes available.
For example if our main target is Gueye who’s away with AFCON, that’s always a deal that will be last minute
I appreciate that but at the same time we were saying that all summer about a left back
If this lad improves our defence then it is only a good thing
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by Anthonini » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:13 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:42 am
I just hope we arnt making the same mistakes as the summer window and signing players that are not a priority.
Full backs and centre mids have got to be the priority this window
Fully agree on that. Hard to understand why we would get another CB when that's one of the positions where we already have a luxury of options.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:16 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:13 am
Fully agree on that. Hard to understand why we would get another CB when that's one of the positions where we already have a luxury of options.
Can only imagine he doesn’t see one of Delcroix, Al Dakhil, Ekdal being here for the long term
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by Anthonini » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 am
Because we are potentially signing a cb doesn’t mean don’t have full backs and cm as priority, it’s all about when players comes available.
For example if our main target is Gueye who’s away with AFCON, that’s always a deal that will be last minute
I'd hope he's our main target. I really wouldn't spend a penny on another CB.
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by KRBFC » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:22 am
Delcroix is never a PL player
Beyer can’t stay fit
Al Dakhil has been our worst player this season (still bags of promise)
Ekdal has been out injured for the majority.
Dara has been the only mainstay.
I think we definitely need a big physical defender at the back, we’re weak in the air. I see no problem with signing a 6ft 4 French u21 international who is starting every game in Ligue 1.
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by Anthonini » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:23 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:16 am
Can only imagine he doesn’t see one of Delcroix, Al Dakhil, Ekdal being here for the long term
How about making logical decisions instead of making us guess why on earth the unlogical is happening

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by jedi_master » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:24 am
It's a hard market for us as any signing needs to buy in to the idea of getting relegated and coming straight back up. I fully believe that is what will happen for us, you can only hope players like this lad buy into that long term picture. On the balance of his stats, size and the level he is playing at he looks a very good partner for a fit Beyer to me.
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by Big Vinny K » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:38 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:23 am
How about making logical decisions instead of making us guess why on earth the unlogical is happening
It’s illogical
(Like a lot of your posts)
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by Steddyman » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:39 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
I'd hope he's our main target. I really wouldn't spend a penny on another CB.
At least he isn't a winger.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:42 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:57 am
I appreciate that but at the same time we were saying that all summer about a left back
If this lad improves our defence then it is only a good thing
The left back is on the club for putting all their eggs into Maatsen
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by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:47 am
If we signed this guy, Gueye and a left back I’d be very happy.
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by Shaggy » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:49 am
We really need 2 full backs, and a physical destroyer in midfield.
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:50 am
Shaggy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:49 am
We really need 2 full backs, and a physical destroyer in midfield.
100% agree
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by Pickles » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:50 am
Anthonini wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:13 am
Hard to understand why we would get another CB when that's one of the positions where we already have a luxury of options.
Not so sure if it's a luxury if most/some of the options aren't good enough.
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by Goody1975 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:51 am
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:47 am
If we signed this guy, Gueye and a left back I’d be very happy.
I've done this to death but I feel right back is a massive issue for us.
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by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:52 am
Just on Gueye, I’d hope the AFCON isn’t stalling this deal, as the final isn’t until 11th feb.
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by Pickles » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:52 am
Goody1975 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:51 am
I've done this to death but I feel right back is a massive issue for us.
Agreed. Not so sure I can manage another half a season watching Vitinho at right back.
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by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:52 am
Goody1975 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:51 am
I've done this to death but I feel right back is a massive issue for us.
A bit like me with the left back. Both are huge though I’d agree.
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by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:55 am
At a pinch I could live with Charlie and could live with Berge holding midfield, but given Brownhill’s creative limitations I would rather have that midfield passing destroyer (has to be a good passer) to move Berge forward, he is so hard to get off the ball it brings the forwards into play, the “winner” at Forest being a prime example.
Right back though is a must to have any chance. Strengthen those positions and I think we’ll survive.
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by BigGaz » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:58 am
I've had a quick mooch around on Montpellier's forum and the general consensus is that they're going to be furious if he's allowed to leave and that they think he's one of two players that have been the best this season.
They also think 10m-15m is the going rate.
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by ab1882 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:12 am
Left sided centre back, can never have enough of those especially as ours have injury problems. His heatmap from this season shows he's got a lot of touches in a defensive left back channel as part of a back 3/5, allows for an attacking right back. Height always welcome. Plus no word on the injury Delcroix has picked up.
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by warksclaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:31 am
If you look at goals conceded from corners, direct free kicks and crosses, then a commanding Centre Half is a top priority. My heart sinks every time we concede a corner or similar.
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by Swizzlestick » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:36 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:31 am
If you look at goals conceded from corners, direct free kicks and crosses, then a commanding Centre Half is a top priority. My heart sinks every time we concede a corner or similar.
We haven't conceded many goals from corners, to be fair, though the defence generally has suffered during games geenrally - a lot of it down to being unable to keep a settled back line due to injuries. Also change of keeper but let's not get into THAT.
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by CoolClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:57 am
6ft4 CB to partner O'Shea/Ekdal, Beyer to right back
I'll go with that
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by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:01 pm
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by Quicknick » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:10 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:57 am
6ft4 CB to partner O'Shea/Ekdal, Beyer to right back
I'll go with that
Is Beyer fit?
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by CoolClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:10 pm
Quicknick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:10 pm
Is Beyer fit?
No idea.
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:20 pm
Just what we need, another LW!
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:21 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:57 am
6ft4 CB to partner O'Shea/Ekdal, Beyer to right back
I'll go with that
I would be amazed if Beyer played at right back for us
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by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:33 pm
Signing an an unproven 19 year old winger in January when you have zaroury, benson and tresor struggling for game time would seem crazy. I can understand those not playing in place of a ready made winger with experience but not this lad
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by Tricky Trevor » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:36 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:57 am
6ft4 CB to partner O'Shea/Ekdal, Beyer to right back
I'll go with that
It’ll be O’Shea to RB. He’s played there for WBA. Shame his distribution is so awful because defensively he has been excellent.
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by FeedTheArf » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:40 pm
I know some question marks have been over the fees we've played for some players this summer, but Ajax paying 14m euros rising to 19m for a player who has never made a senior appearance for anybody is absolute madness!!
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by Dark Cloud » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:44 pm
There's a CB on loan at Southampton who's getting absolutely rave revues I notice, as Saints have been on an amazing run. Can't believe we didn't think he was worth pursuing!
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:48 pm
FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:40 pm
I know some question marks have been over the fees we've played for some players this summer, but Ajax paying 14m euros rising to 19m for a player who has never made a senior appearance for anybody is absolute madness!!
I think it more illustrates the market that we are operating in when trying to sign the best young talent and to an extent explains/justifies the fees we paid in the summer. A bit like we lost out on Verbruggen because Brighton outbid us.
It’s just alien to us Burnley fans, as is having to wait to see them achieve their potential, because at least in recent times we’ve adopted a different a very different strategy.
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:51 pm
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:44 pm
There's a CB on loan at Southampton who's getting absolutely rave revues I notice, as Saints have been on an amazing run. Can't believe we didn't think he was worth pursuing!
I’ll explain it for you:
1. He’s slow, at least compared to O’Shea, who is rapid. The Premier League is full of fast strikers.
2. City wanted £13m more for him than WBA were willing to accept for O’Shea.
In my opinion, a much shrewder signing.
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:54 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:33 pm
Signing an an unproven 19 year old winger in January when you have zaroury, benson and tresor struggling for game time would seem crazy. I can understand those not playing in place of a ready made winger with experience but not this lad
If they’re a) a RIGHT winger, and b) as good/cheap as Koleosho, I wouldn’t be against it.
I’d still be keeping Benson though.
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by ab1882 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 pm
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:44 pm
There's a CB on loan at Southampton who's getting absolutely rave revues I notice, as Saints have been on an amazing run. Can't believe we didn't think he was worth pursuing!
I really like THB, but after watching him on Saturday I still don't think he's ready for teams that don't dominate possesion even in the Champ never mind the Prem. Great at passing and intercepting but I don't think he won any duels 50/50s, and was arguably at fault for the goal. Sprinted back to play attacker "onside", even though it should still have been given offside. They took him off second half to help see out the game. Still only 21 so should get stronger.
Can't see Ajax taking a loss on Carlos Forbs (Borges). Maybe it's a loan that allows Benson to leave on loan as he can also play RW.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:54 pm
If they’re a) a RIGHT winger, and b) as good/cheap as Koleosho, I wouldn’t be against it.
I’d still be keeping Benson though.
Giving the fact Ajax paid nearly 15m for him can’t imagine him being as cheap as koleosho
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by Steve-Harpers-perm » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 pm
A proper right back is priority in the next 9 days. Shoving current centre backs out there at this level and hoping for the best is just ridiculous.
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by NewClaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:40 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 pm
Giving the fact Ajax paid nearly 15m for him can’t imagine him being as cheap as koleosho
No & he’s also a left winger wasn’t in my mind when I wrote that at all.
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by kentonclaret » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:46 pm
warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:31 am
If you look at goals conceded from corners, direct free kicks and crosses, then a commanding Centre Half is a top priority. My heart sinks every time we concede a corner or similar.
My heart sinks every time we win a corner.
Surely, we’ll convert 1 before seasons end.

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