Aaron Ramsey injury

[Clive 1960]

Hope the lad makes a full recovery and comes back and plays a significant role in getting us up from the championship if as it looks we get relegated. UTC..

[claretonthecoast1882]

Hope the lad makes a full recovery and comes back and plays a significant role in getting us up from the championship if as it looks we get relegated. UTC..

This is exactly all that is needed, rather than this weird obsession for some that being told it is a serious knee injury and is out for most of this calendar year isn't enough they have to know the exact diagnosis. it comes across really grubby.

I know some don't like the owners, some don't like the manager and some don't like both but this current trend of demanding to know every injury is ugly.

[ElectroClaret]

Hope the lad makes a full recovery and comes back and plays a significant role in getting us up from the championship if as it looks we get relegated. UTC..

Well said. Cuts through some of the crap being spouted on here.
The most important thing.

[ecc]

Hope the lad makes a full recovery and comes back and plays a significant role in getting us up from the championship if as it looks we get relegated. UTC..

Too right. The player's health first. And then the club and what the lad can do for us later.

[Big Vinny K]

Interesting thread. No idea why anyone thinks it stheir business to know anything more than a player isn't injured and isn't available. You find out an hour before every game if someone isn't playing so you can always decide not to go on the ground.

If my employer disclosed my health information (which injuries are) to anyone, let alone putting it out into the public domain, I'd absolutely be taking them to the proverbial cleaners.

Not sure that’s what most people are saying.
As usual for this board the thread drifts into extremes with terms like obsession, wanting medical records etc. Who is asking for that ?

I agree that the main reason why fans want to know about injuries is the availability and non availability of players. Logically this will mean most managers do talk about the nature of injuries….sometimes there will be specifics mentioned like surgery, ACL, etc. Other times it will be the extent of an injury - a serious hamstring injury or “his hamstring felt a bit tight….it was precautionary” etc.

We have adopted a different approach where we seem to be disclosing less around availability and injuries and when players are estimated to return.

VK is perfectly entitled to do that.
Fans are perfectly entitled to want a bit more information than we are getting now.
Fans are perfectly entitled to be satisfied with the amount of information being disclosed.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I suppose it’s a possibility that Foster’s recent troubles could be a reason that clear updates aren’t given on exactly what injuries or trouble players are having.

If they continued to say the exact nature of an injury for everyone else then kept quiet on if Foster’s mental health took a turn for the worse again (let’s hope not) then it would lead to speculation.

I think it’s fine just saying he’ll be out long term. I’m sure they’ll provide an update when he’s back in training or we’ll see him in the training photos they sometimes release.

[Roosterbooster]

I beg to differ , nobody’s asking for a players medical history in any shape or form ,just a very very basic synopsis of the serious injury would be more than adequate for the fans, etc and others who pay their wages . Eg eg ACL ,Achilles ect , nothing more or less needed .

I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark .

Even if you pay his wages, it's none of your business. If you are on sick leave, your employer isn't entitled to any of your medical records, or even a diagnosis. All they are entitled to is a timeframe, and a summary of any modifications required

[Falcon]

Every injury is slightly different, and different people recover at different rates even from very similar circumstances.

They can hardly come out and say 'he'll be fit on 14th October at 1pm' so what's wrong with what they've said.

Some people can't wait to knock the club for any little irrelevance, just because they're upset that the team aren't playing well enough.

[alwaysaclaret]

Every injury is slightly different, and different people recover at different rates even from very similar circumstances.

They can hardly come out and say 'he'll be fit on 14th October at 1pm' so what's wrong with what they've said.

Some people can't wait to knock the club for any little irrelevance, just because they're upset that the team aren't playing well enough.

The thread was started I believe with a question aimed towards vk's choice not to disclose a bit of information about the player's injury, some people have taken it completely out of context, imo nobody wants to knock the club, we're all fan's at the end of the day. Other managers seem to freely disclose information about a player's injury, and as far as I can remember any manager we've had in the past have done, just not vk, why I wonder. Nobody wants personal details and medical history, I would expect that the vast majority of fan's would just like the manager to be a little more informative about an injury the player has sustained on the pitch of play.

[ChorltonCharlie]

Did someone really say we've got a right to know because "we pay their wages"? Jesus wept. It's an odd concept to start with, it's not like we demand to know why Ivy on the check out isn't around because we buy a loaf of bread in the co-op once a week. In pure football terms it's ridiculous. The average Burnley fan will account for less than 0.001% of the clubs income this season, and the vast majority will come from income streams that are not Burnley fans at source.

[Westleigh]

At a guess, he made a mistake. He's apologised for that mistake.

Have you ever apologised for the racist filth and bigotry you used to post on here?

Thankyou for that ,I did explain that I said it as Ramsey went down and the camera moved away,I did apologise ,and said I was willing to accept a ban,however some posters just like stirring things up.

[wilks_bfc]

Did someone really say we've got a right to know because "we pay their wages"? Jesus wept. It's an odd concept to start with, it's not like we demand to know why Ivy on the check out isn't around because we buy a loaf of bread in the co-op once a week. In pure football terms it's ridiculous. The average Burnley fan will account for less than 0.001% of the clubs income this season, and the vast majority will come from income streams that are not Burnley fans at source.

That analogy has already been done
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[Westleigh]

Years ago we probably only ever heard 3 or 4 types of injuries before everyone could google,it was Either Broken leg
Cartilage
ACL,or
Hamstring.

[ArmchairDetective]

Really unfortunate for the lad. Wishing him a full recovery. No need to rush back until ready. He's young and has a great career ahead. As long as him, and our coaching and medical teams know what's happened and more importantly how to help him recover that's all that matters. Looking forward to seeing what you've got next season, Aaron. A long and great career ahead, I'm sure.

[AlargeClaret]

What a load of absolute codswallop.... He's got a serious injury, out for most of the year... What more do you need to know, what difference would it make if you knew what it was?

If you seriously think , giving out the basic detail of a player injury is a “ load of codswallop” it says far more about about your own agenda than it does common sense and communication with your fan / user base from a “ large “ company /prem football club .

[Nori1958]

If you seriously think , giving out the basic detail of a player injury is a “ load of codswallop” it says far more about about your own agenda than it does common sense and communication with your fan / user base from a “ large “ company /prem football club .

It was the following comment of yours I was replying to.

"I’ve no doubt VK is under orders but it smacks at disrespectful and plain ignorant to keep the entire fan base in the dark ."

[AlargeClaret]

Even if you pay his wages, it's none of your business. If you are on sick leave, your employer isn't entitled to any of your medical records, or even a diagnosis. All they are entitled to is a timeframe, and a summary of any modifications required

Technically correct ,but If I employed a scaffolder and he was injured on site , it’s very much my business as it is the insurers,the private medical care , the H & S etc . Of course I wouldn’t have his medical records though , but neither would he have “ a million fans “

The example of a high value prem footballer injured during a very public game however is pretty unique ,and has been common practice in world football for almost ever to give a basic update on the injury .Nobody’s talking about medical records etc and in all fairness it’s hardly comparable to a “ regular “ job .

Personally I’m surprised at all the faux outrage over this but it is what is and the club will have their reasons .

[Poulton-le-Claret]

I wonder if we are trying to protect the value of players by not publicising all their injuries. If a young player keeps having the same issue repeatedly, then it must impact their value. I believe we signed AR despite concerns over his injury record, so the club must be worried about this latest setback.

Apologies if this idea is already mentioned somewhere else on this thread.

[Nori1958]

I wonder if we are trying to protect the value of players by not publicising all their injuries. If a young player keeps having the same issue repeatedly, then it must impact their value. I believe we signed AR despite concerns over his injury record, so the club must be worried about this latest setback.

Apologies if this idea is already mentioned somewhere else on this thread.

When you pay millions for players they have a medical including release of full medical history

[Poulton-le-Claret]

When you pay millions for players they have a medical including release of full medical history

That is true, but surely you don't even bother putting a bid in and having a medical if you know they are a sick note. It may encourage teams to still bid for players and have a medical to determine if they are worth a punt rather than just pass on players because of headlines.

Personally, I'd rather just know briefly 'player X has done his ACL' etc. Just trying to understand the logic of why we seem to do things differently than other clubs when it comes to injuries.

[DCWat]

On the Live Score app, Ramsey is listed as being out with a cruciate ligament injury.

Not sure where they’ve got that from or simply assumed that the be the injury with him being out for the remainder of this year.

[burnley007]

Any updates on this lad?

Really hope he can play a big part this season

[Hedontplayforyou]

Think I remember seeing that he would be out until around December time all being well….I may be mistaken though

[agreenwood]

Any updates on this lad?

Really hope he can play a big part this season

He was still walking with a pronounced limp after the Forest game in mid-May.

VK did say he’s be out for most of 2024 when he first did the injury.

[ClaretTony]

Any updates on this lad?

Really hope he can play a big part this season

It was Feb when he suffered his ACL injury and even these days they reckon a minimum of nine months before a player is ready to play again which would mean November at the earliest.

[burnley007]

It was Feb when he suffered his ACL injury and even these days they reckon a minimum of nine months before a player is ready to play again which would mean November at the earliest.

Let's just hope that he makes a full recovery

[ClaretTony]

Let's just hope that he makes a full recovery

Shouldn’t be a problem, it’s not the career ending injury that it used to be.

[burnley007]

Shouldn’t be a problem, it’s not the career ending injury that it used to be.

Agreed.
Just hope he's coping with the time out.

[ClaretTony]

Agreed.
Just hope he's coping with the time out.

That can be the problem. I saw an interview recently with a player but can’t remember who. He’d gone through a long term injury and said it had affected him mentally.

[Vegas Claret]

That can be the problem. I saw an interview recently with a player but can’t remember who. He’d gone through a long term injury and said it had affected him mentally.

The US is big on the use of therapists, I would hope (think) the club has all the support in place required for him nowadays given the ownership.

[ClaretTony]

The US is big on the use of therapists, I would hope (think) the club has all the support in place required for him nowadays given the ownership.

I don’t think the ownership matters. We had everything in place prior to them coming in.

[Raconteur]

Do we reckon Ramsey would have been returning to Villa if it wasn't for the injury?

From media reports, they are buying back Philogene from Hull and Archer from Sheff U. Reports state that in Archers contract, it was a guaranteed return to Villa if Sheff U were relegated.

[RVclaret]

Do we reckon Ramsey would have been returning to Villa if it wasn't for the injury?

From media reports, they are buying back Philogene from Hull and Archer from Sheff U. Reports state that in Archers contract, it was a guaranteed return to Villa if Sheff U were relegated.

Think Ramsey has a buy back clause which is active after 2 seasons and it’s over £30m. Different deal completely to Archer.

[Wokingclaret]

It was Feb when he suffered his ACL injury and even these days they reckon a minimum of nine months before a player is ready to play again which would mean November at the earliest.

I always think of a year, if sooner great.

I'm still mad at that tackle from behind

[ClaretTony]

I always think of a year, if sooner great.

I'm still mad at that tackle from behind

Steve Cotterill, who suffered two with the second ending his career, once told me that it took 18 months to get truly fully fit again. That was approaching twenty years ago now and progress means it is much quicker. Still a lengthy time out though.

[burnley007]

Steve Cotterill, who suffered two with the second ending his career, once told me that it took 18 months to get truly fully fit again. That was approaching twenty years ago now and progress means it is much quicker. Still a lengthy time out though.

That's brutal
If we see Ramsey before Christmas, I will be delighted.

[ClaretTony]

That's brutal
If we see Ramsey before Christmas, I will be delighted.

He was right at the time. Players would come back earlier than that but seemed to be way behind until they got to that 18 months. Much shorter time now.