O\T roadworks/ temporary traffic lights

[giveusaB]

The civic quarter masterplan:
https://burnley.gov.uk/civic-quarter-pl ... -your-say/

Plan in detail:
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/950 ... ted-v2.pdf

[gandhisflipflop]

Just to play devil's advocate here. The town is a dump, there's a reason it has the cheapest housing in Britain. You could argue that it needs this level of renovation to try and attract people.

Also if it means there are much better and safer bike lanes around the town then I'm all for it. We need to reduce the reliance on cars and its hard to do that without huge disruption unfortunately.

Nobody is adverse to change and improvement. It’s the constant popping up of roadworks and at the moment, it is that bad that every alternate route has one, making it extremely difficult to get anywhere in the town at peak times.

[Goliath]

Nobody is adverse to change and improvement. It’s the constant popping up of roadworks and at the moment, it is that bad that every alternate route has one, making it extremely difficult to get anywhere in the town at peak times.

I think some are against improvements if it hinders them tbh which is a wider societal issue.

[Goody1975]

So the widening of the road at the junction of Liverpool Road/Rossendale Road/Accrington Road took ages, it had a new surface laid from the Crematorium to the new 'improved' junction.

That is now being dug up less than two years later to probably become a pothole infested mess.

Fantastic.

[Goody1975]

The civic quarter masterplan:
https://burnley.gov.uk/civic-quarter-pl ... -your-say/

"The masterplan, which is being drawn up by Lancashire County Council"

FFS

[gandhisflipflop]

I think some are against improvements if it hinders them tbh which is a wider societal issue.

Have you tried navigating your way around the town and surrounding areas recently? Most would have no issues if short term but it’s not.

[Bigbopper]

Why not finish one job before starting another one , use all the available labour and plant to finish in the shortest possible time. I went past the junction at Rossendale Rd yesterday around 9.45 there was one guy working and another watching. Hopefully more resources will be made available soon.

[Goliath]

Have you tried navigating your way around the town and surrounding areas recently? Most would have no issues if short term but it’s not.

Yes it's crap. But that doesn't mean it can't be beneficial in the long term, which is more important.

[Goody1975]

Yes it's crap. But that doesn't mean it can't be beneficial in the long term, which is more important.

Not if it's affecting businesses directly who may be already struggling or the town as a whole which has probably seen people going elsewhere instead of spending money in the town.

The roadworks have been causing havoc since 2019 when the Junction 9 works started, it's beyond a joke now.

[Goliath]

Not if it's affecting businesses directly who may be already struggling or the town as a whole which has probably seen people going elsewhere instead of spending money in the town.

The roadworks have been causing havoc since 2019 when the Junction 9 works started, it's beyond a joke now.

Again it's hard to comment on that really until we know what the final result will be. It depends if the pro's outweighs the cons, which if its been well planned they should do.

[Goody1975]

Again it's hard to comment on that really until we know what the final result will be. It depends if the pro's outweighs the cons, which if its been well planned they should do.

The link above talks of more disruption to the town centre, it's alright have more pedestrian friendly areas in the town if there are shops left for them to visit.

[Goliath]

The link above talks of more disruption to the town centre, it's alright have more pedestrian friendly areas in the town if there are shops left for them to visit.

Of course, or looking it alternatively, a new look, forward thinking town could attract more shops and investment. We need to become a viable alternative to Manchester living.
Rawtenstall is prospering, there's no reason Burnley can't but it needs adventurous thinking and plans.

[Roger1960]

I have issues with the ongoing town to turf and proposed civic quarter proposal. Firstly why are they consulting on a proposal that has not had any input from the people, I think they should take a step back and first ask people what issues in Burnley they think are a priority be it housing, crime , potholes etc and then come up with ideas to address those. Instead as per town to turf it was a done deal before they even consulted the public as I suspect this latest one is .
I see all these schemes as money chasing something to spend it on , the government dangles a carrot of £xm to help its own agenda and in a desperate bid to keep its red wall mp,s but says it’s got to be spent quickly and only on a list of things it wants it spent on. The council doesn’t want to say no so finds something that’s not well thought through or needed such as town to turf to spend it on as it’s not their money. Everyone ignores the fact it’s taxpayers money that could have been better spent elsewhere.
Once completed the council’s, Burnley and LCC won’t have the money to maintain the expensive paving and street furniture, the new paving outside the park view is already stained black. Putting trees into the pavement as per the CGI never ends well. If you want to attract people who can’t afford more expensive parts of Manchester but work there increase the train service to there and Leeds to half hourly . The easy commute into Manchester and Leeds is what’s helped hebden and now Tod improve

[Goliath]

I have issues with the ongoing town to turf and proposed civic quarter proposal. Firstly why are they consulting on a proposal that has not had any input from the people, I think they should take a step back and first ask people what issues in Burnley they think are a priority be it housing, crime , potholes etc and then come up with ideas to address those. Instead as per town to turf it was a done deal before they even consulted the public as I suspect this latest one is .
I see all these schemes as money chasing something to spend it on , the government dangles a carrot of £xm to help its own agenda and in a desperate bid to keep its red wall mp,s but says it’s got to be spent quickly and only on a list of things it wants it spent on. The council doesn’t want to say no so finds something that’s not well thought through or needed such as town to turf to spend it on as it’s not their money. Everyone ignores the fact it’s taxpayers money that could have been better spent elsewhere.
Once completed the council’s, Burnley and LCC won’t have the money to maintain the expensive paving and street furniture, the new paving outside the park view is already stained black. Putting trees into the pavement as per the CGI never ends well. If you want to attract people who can’t afford more expensive parts of Manchester but work there increase the train service to there and Leeds to half hourly . The easy commute into Manchester and Leeds is what’s helped hebden and now Tod improve

The introduction of further train services isn't really their decision. They did well to get the tod curve so commuting via train is now much easier. Also Rawtenstall has improved no end without amy train services at all.
They should get that train line reinstated before we talk about extra services for Burnley.

[Clovius Boofus]

I see all these schemes as money chasing something to spend it on , the government dangles a carrot of £xm to help its own agenda and in a desperate bid to keep its red wall mp,s but says it’s got to be spent quickly and only on a list of things it wants it spent on. The council doesn’t want to say no so finds something that’s not well thought through or needed such as town to turf to spend it on as it’s not their money. Everyone ignores the fact it’s taxpayers money that could have been better spent elsewhere.

Good points.

[mikeS]

It wouldn't be so bad if those who are in charge of the roads communicate what's going on.
There's no deadline for completion - the TTT project for example. Works just pop up unexpectedly without any notification or signs going up to warn people beforehand.
There's no coordination between the utility companies like the Gas pipes being replaced in Padiham on the main road. These just seem to appear out of the blue. There's no priority to finish the work. These companies don't seem to care how much disruption they cause or for how long.
And seemingly there's no one in overall charge of the work to complain to.

[Clovius Boofus]

The big problem I have with utility companies is the poor standard of their reinstatement work. I'm talking about their permanent reinstatement work, not the temporary cold lay tarmac.

In the past, local authorities used to inspect the reinstatement work on our roads and pavements. If it was poor or failing, they would get utility companies to sort it out ASAP or face legal action. Does this still happen?

[Myk]

The big problem I have with utility companies is the poor standard of their reinstatement work. I'm talking about their permanent reinstatement work, not the temporary cold lay tarmac.

In the past, local authorities used to inspect the reinstatement work on our roads and pavements. If it was poor or failing, they would get utility companies to sort it out ASAP or face legal action. Does this still happen?

Yeah it does. Councils contact them and usually they have a set number of days to fix any reinstatements

[atlantalad]

Yeah it does. Councils contact them and usually they have a set number of days to fix any reinstatements

Do those ‘set’ days fall on the 29 February each year by any chance?

[Myk]

Do those ‘set’ days fall on the 29 February each year by any chance?

At a guess I’d say it’s civils/communication companies getting work from councils to use up all the excess budget for the tax year so they can max it out to try and get more money in next cycle etc.

[Loyalclaret]

I have issues with the ongoing town to turf and proposed civic quarter proposal. Firstly why are they consulting on a proposal that has not had any input from the people, I think they should take a step back and first ask people what issues in Burnley they think are a priority be it housing, crime , potholes etc and then come up with ideas to address those. Instead as per town to turf it was a done deal before they even consulted the public as I suspect this latest one is .

My memory says that they did ask Burnley residents what they wanted before unveiling the Turf to Town project. Although I assume they knew what they had planned beforehand because I doubt many put this plan forward.

Re-reading i think we are saying the same thing!

[Clovius Boofus]

Yeah it does. Councils contact them and usually they have a set number of days to fix any reinstatements

Cheers for that, but I don't think it's working as it should. In the past, I've reported shoddy and failed reinstatement, including broken and sunken flags in the pavement, and nothing has been done.

Years ago, they would have been relaid, and the broken ones replaced within days of the issue being reported. Then you see much bigger projects where contractors renew large sections of their network in our main roads. Months later and their reinstatement is littered with potholes, and nothing is done until a long time has passed, and public money becomes available for repairing all the potholes along that section of road, including the ones caused by the utility company.

[Falcon]

So long as they wait for the Town 2 Turf to be finished before starting on Manchester Road then I'm absolutely fine with it.

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs - these things involve short-term disruption for the long-term good.

[Paddy1882]

Roadworks and two way lights half way down Brunshaw Road now, Burnley for vehicles at the moment is a joke, great for walking though.

[giveusaB]

Overnight road closures in April outside where the cinema used to be on Manchester Road.

https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/949975/ttro-02.pdf

[Loyalclaret]

Coincidentally I got an email today from Burnley council asking for opinions on how the 'Town Board' should spend £20m over the next 10 years. Interesting to see what comes out of it

[Clovius Boofus]

A proper road sweeper, you know, like with an actual brush and shovel, in every ward. There's not much point in tarting the place up if it still looks like a litter-strewn ghetto.

[SouthLondonexile]

Even with the usual end of financial year spend, there does seem to be an extraordinary amount of roadworks.
The cynic in me is suggesting that there will be a June election.

[Clovius Boofus]

I don't think there's much mileage in it, unless the local MP fancies doing election photo ops in front of road barriers and gridlocked traffic.

[Roger1960]

“I don't think there's much mileage in it, unless the local MP fancies doing election photo ops in front of road barriers and gridlocked traffic.”
It is funny how our glorious MP has stopped claiming credit for the levelling up money used to pay for T2T since it turned into such a total sh*t show

[COBBLE]

My nomination for the biggest mess and collection of holes is at the cross roads coming down from Blessed Trinity by the fire station. How the Council
can deploy dozens of workers throughout the town on vanity projects and long term infrastructure and not address this immediately dangerous abomination is beyond me.

[Gerry Hattrick]

Not really roadworks, nowt happened since they were put there months ago, but anyone know what the two rows of cones are there for on Tod Rd above Rock Lane, and has and has anyone EVER seen anyone working there?
Been there so long there's enough muck between 'en you could plant flowers!

[cbx750]

Not really roadworks, nowt happened since they were put there months ago, but anyone know what the two rows of cones are there for on Tod Rd above Rock Lane, and has and has anyone EVER seen anyone working there?
Been there so long there's enough muck between 'en you could plant flowers!

The road between the cones is full of ruts, grooves and pot holes making overtaking dangerous. That's what you get from spraying tar and chippings instead of relaying the road properly.

[giveusaB]

Update from Burnley Express on the town to turf project.

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/tra ... me-4641302

[jrgbfc]

Good to hear its all going smoothly

[mikeS]

I can't see how filling in the pedestrian subway and replacing it with traffic lights / pedestrian crossing

a) makes it safer for pedestrians crossing the road and

b) improves traffic flow through the junction.

Can't see it.

[Clovius Boofus]

The huge project

I nearly spat my coffee out when I read that.

[Clovius Boofus]

I can't see how filling in the pedestrian subway and replacing it with traffic lights / pedestrian crossing

a) makes it safer for pedestrians crossing the road and

b) improves traffic flow through the junction.

Can't see it.

Me neither. So-called levelling up money wasted on something that didn't really need doing, apart from the resurfacing, and in an ideal world, the resurfacing would come under budgeted LCC maintenance work.

[Goliath]

I can't see how filling in the pedestrian subway and replacing it with traffic lights / pedestrian crossing

a) makes it safer for pedestrians crossing the road and

b) improves traffic flow through the junction.

Can't see it.

Have you been through that subway? I'm willing to bet most people, especially women avoided using it, even more so at night. It needed to go.

[giveusaB]

Overnight road closures in the centre of Burnley due to begin next week.

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/tra ... 1717153195

[Leisure]

Even with the usual end of financial year spend, there does seem to be an extraordinary amount of roadworks.
The cynic in me is suggesting that there will be a June election.

I'm pretty certain that the conclusion of the T2T fiasco will in no way have any influence on how people vote at the coming General Election!

[mikeS]

Have you been through that subway? I'm willing to bet most people, especially women avoided using it, even more so at night. It needed to go.

Yes I use it to get to the bus station on home match days.
Can you convince me that a pedestrian crossing with lights in its place will improve traffic flow through that part of town?

[Goliath]

Yes I use it to get to the bus station on home match days.
Can you convince me that a pedestrian crossing with lights in its place will improve traffic flow through that part of town?

I think giving people especially vulnerable women and children a safe place to cross takes priority personally. That subway was horrific, it's a bit different on a match day when there's a few thousand people around.

[dsr]

I'm pretty certain that the conclusion of the T2T fiasco will in no way have any influence on how people vote at the coming General Election!

How about the next general election but one? The end result of these roadworks could be a big issue in 2029.

[Roger1960]

My memory says that they did ask Burnley residents what they wanted before unveiling the Turf to Town project. Although I assume they knew what they had planned beforehand because I doubt many put this plan forward.

Re-reading i think we are saying the same thing!

The consultation for TTT I think took place after they had cut the roundabout trees down and clearly after the contract had been agreed. When I queried why they had not done an environmental impact assessment or a traffic study I was told they didn’t need to as it was all highway works being done by the highway authority so basically the consultation was a pure PR. Exercise as I suspect the civic quarter one has been as well. What they need to do is to go back a step and ask people have you some ideas on what the town needs money spending on then devise something based on those ideas. The next stage of levelling up £20m over 10 years has started a bit like that with a consultation asking what people think the priorities are but when you look closer the government has set rules about what it can be used for so for instance housing improvement isn’t permitted. Also I note the board overseeing that is made up of the local great and good but I didn’t see any places for the average Burnley resident to bring a bit of common sense

[Woodleyclaret]

Not using their own labour force is the issue
All councils Sub work to contractors who Sub work out.Then the process is repeated till Steve and his mate from Bacup get the gig as they put in the cheapest quote. They start but have no gear so dig up the road putting up lights.
They move onto the next job and on it goes
A penalty for incomplete works in a given time frame needs imposing or better still a council employed road team

[dougcollins]

I never realised it was a 'Levelling Up' scheme.

Wtf.

[Clovius Boofus]

Levelling Up is like an oxymoron in this case. 12 months, and still counting, lost revenue for the local businesses while the works drag on. Also more congestion and much slower traffic flow than the perfectly functional roundabout, once complete.

[helmclaret]

The roads around Rawtenstall are horrendous.

[Nonayforever]

Anyone seen the pathetic lights on Marsden Road / Higher Reedly Road.
That is someone just having a joke because the regs say we have to have them.