All there in one match.

[Stayingup]

We had 53% possession, 7 shots on target and came away from Old Trafford with a point. I think VK got something right. An SD 10 men behind the ball bore fest with our current squad would have seen us very heavily beaten. Only in my opinion of course

Dear me. Short memory? SD had a 2-0 win at OT.

[KRBFC]

The lack of support for the manager and team on here is absolutely shocking, clear signs of improvement over the season, giving their all, just more than matched United at Old Trafford yet some just can’t wait to slag off VK, 1 loss in 8? Yet zero trust shown in his selections.

It’s almost like some made their mind up on VK too early and are now too ashamed to say they now support him and believe in him. Tedious, just admit you jumped the gun (we’re all guilty sometimes) and support the fkn team and manager, we can do it!

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Thought we played well today despite our usual naivety which seems to always result in us conceding.

[Milltown1882]

Survival is on. We have Forest right where we need them now to make the final day a straight shootout, that’s all we can ask for.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

A good point today, real shame about the individual error that gave the goal away, but the boys battled and got a deserved point.

We can be proud of them today. We should all try to be a bit more glass half full

[boatshed bill]

Thought we played well today despite our usual naivety which seems to always result in us conceding.

Naivety is totally understandable given the very little PL experience in the squad.
These lads are learning on the job and it's starting to show.

[bfcmik]

Me too.
Should we form our very own happy clappy club?
I quite enjoyed the courage Vinny showed in taking on Manyoo toe to toe, I thought it made for a game that had a bit of everything and I won't need to trim my finger nails for another week.
Glass almost full.

I always thought, silly of me I know, that being a fan and supporter of a football team should give you automatic entry to the happy-clappy club. Even when I'm pessimistic I'm still quite happy-clappy

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Naivety is totally understandable given the very little PL experience in the squad.
These lads are learning on the job and it's starting to show.

Maybe not the same naivety we show each week at this stage of the season! Berge is certainly not an inexperienced player.

[gtclaret]

Survival is on. We have Forest right where we need them now to make the final day a straight shootout, that’s all we can ask for.

Unfortunately not quite,Forest have Sheffield United next week, whilst we take on Newcastle.I know anything can happen in football,but I think it's unlikely we can get enough points to stay up, given our goal difference is so poor as well.

[bumba]

Muric doing his utmost to show why there were concerns about him at this level. From the sublime to the ridiculous.

He's put Trafford to shame since returning

[SouthamptonClaret]

Dear me. Short memory? SD had a 2-0 win at OT.

He did, it was great. But he didn't do it with this squad.
My point was this team couldn't play the way Dyche's team did.

[boatshed bill]

Maybe not the same naivety we show each week at this stage of the season! Berge is certainly not an inexperienced player.

i look at it as a collective thing, it's a team.
Easy to point at individuals, actually I remember Ben Mee doing that sort of thing a few times.

[Stayingup]

He did, it was great. But he didn't do it with this squad.
My point was this team couldn't play the way Dyche's team did.

No but sometimes this season they would have suffered less had they done. By the way look at Evertons recent results. Win against Liverpool - which Dyche did at Anfield with us!!!

[Bosscat]

Show me a mistake from Trafford that was worse than the ones Muric has made in the last two games please!

Last 8 matches just the 1 loss hmmmmm previous 27 with 20 losses speaks for itself

[KRBFC]

No but sometimes this season they would have suffered less had they done. By the way look at Evertons recent results. Win against Liverpool - which Dyche did at Anfield with us!!!

Go support them then

[boatshed bill]

Last 8 matches just the 1 loss hmmmmm previous 27 with 20 losses speaks for itself

There has been all-round improvement, and an almost settled back 4.
Not decrying Muric's contribution, but the O'Shea/Esteve partnership is the best we've had.

[ksrclaret]

At least we're playing like an actual men's football team these days and not a weak, timid U18s side like earlier in the season. Great to see these players playing with some actual character and balls over recent games.

If we hadn't have spent 2/3s of the season playing with dogger selections and tactics the odds might even be in our favour right now.

[claretburns]

Survival is on. We have Forest right where we need them now to make the final day a straight shootout, that’s all we can ask for.

If say Forest stay with the -4 deduction, my only worry is that they have Sheff Utd away next for a chance of a win which may put them to far ahead of us before the last game with us having Newcastle and Spurs.

[Taffy on the wing]

Wilson Odobert is the laziest player I have seen in a Burnley shirt for quite a while

Nice cast!...........

[Stayingup]

Go support them then

Idiot. I'm a Claret.

[JohnDearyMe]

The lack of support for the manager and team on here is absolutely shocking, clear signs of improvement over the season, giving their all, just more than matched United at Old Trafford yet some just can’t wait to slag off VK, 1 loss in 8? Yet zero trust shown in his selections.

It’s almost like some made their mind up on VK too early and are now too ashamed to say they now support him and believe in him. Tedious, just admit you jumped the gun (we’re all guilty sometimes) and support the fkn team and manager, we can do it!

Imagine being a Burnley fan who constantly slags off our manager. Hard to fathom isn't it?

[ksrclaret]

The lack of support for the manager and team on here is absolutely shocking, clear signs of improvement over the season, giving their all, just more than matched United at Old Trafford yet some just can’t wait to slag off VK, 1 loss in 8? Yet zero trust shown in his selections.

It’s almost like some made their mind up on VK too early and are now too ashamed to say they now support him and believe in him. Tedious, just admit you jumped the gun (we’re all guilty sometimes) and support the fkn team and manager, we can do it!

Lol. You were crying on the Sheff Utd thread last week saying that Muric is going to kick it into his own net. Zero support for our goalkeeper.

I just want to commend you on being the child with the least self-awareness I've ever come across. What a little cutie pie. x

[boatshed bill]

Imagine being a Burnley fan who constantly slags off our manager. Hard to fathom isn't it?

There's been far to much of it this season.

[KRBFC]

Lol. You were crying on the Sheff Utd thread last week saying that Muric is going to kick it into his own net. Zero support for our goalkeeper.

I just want to commend you on being the child with the least self-awareness I've ever come across. What a little cutie pie. x

I have no interest in your nit picking, I’d just like to see a little more support on here for VK and the team. 1 loss in 9, we are moving in the right direction after a difficult start finding our feet, we can still do it.

Every time I log in here it’s negative whining non stop even when the teams playing well. Far too many simply willing to die on their early anti VK stance.

[KRBFC]

Feels like fans won’t support this club/team until VK goes, regardless of the results.

[ksrclaret]

I have no interest in your nit picking, I’d just like to see a little more support on here for VK and the team. 1 loss in 9, we are moving in the right direction after a difficult start finding our feet, we can still do it.

Every time I log in here it’s negative whining non stop even when the teams playing well. Far too many simply willing to die on their early anti VK stance.

When you're willing to put your own preaching into practice, let us know angel. X

[CoolClaret]

Feels like fans won’t support this club/team until VK goes, regardless of the results.

Absolute nonsense.

Your hypocrisy really is quite astounding, never seen anything like it.

[boatshed bill]

Every time I log in here it’s negative whining non stop even when the teams playing well. Far too many simply willing to die on their early anti VK stance.

You are not wrong.
Some of us just want the team, manager "project" to be a success.
Sometimes it feels like a minority

[ClaretPete001]

He did, it was great. But he didn't do it with this squad.
My point was this team couldn't play the way Dyche's team did.

It could. Everton play with two wingers a number 10 and a double pivot.

This squad would suit that type of formation.

[Clovius Boofus]

Feels like fans won’t support this club/team until VK goes, regardless of the results.

I agree with that, but for one word - 'fans'. More like a bunch of don't-go-anywhere shut-ins who spend all day and every day pouring negativity all over the forum.

[Jakubclaret]

I agree with that, but for one word - 'fans'. More like a bunch of don't-go-anywhere shut-ins who spend all day and every day pouring negativity all over the forum.

It's just not fair.

[Murger]

I agree with that, but for one word - 'fans'. More like a bunch of don't-go-anywhere shut-ins who spend all day and every day pouring negativity all over the forum.

Don’t talk ****.

[warksclaret]

I said a few months ago , when we were really playing bad that I would not mind losing games,or even being relegated if every player was giving their all. Yesterday and recently I have been seeing a totally different side, who have upped their games and minimised the mistakes (not totally). Its made me believe, and I think the script is written for a miracle. The short term objective was to get within 2 points of Forest and we did that yesterday. I don't see them getting much today v Man City, and then pray we can deliver in that final game. The players have belief and showing it, and I thought yesterday Amdouini showed great commitment to earn that penalty and play a major role. The likes of him, Odobert, Berge, and Foster can get us the goals, and we are starting to see some big heroes at the back like O Shea and Muric. Please VK don't tamper too much in the final 3 games

[Colburn_Claret]

The sheer tactical naivety of VK is almost staggering . To try and take on Utd in an open attacking “ cup style “ match was a huge gamble . We made endless mistakes , got v lucky on occasion , and committing 10 men forward was nigh on suicidal . A touch os SD pragmatism would go a long long way .

That said ,apart from poor finishing we gave a v poor UTD a decent game . Onana put some great saves in too, though if he hadn’t been an idiot they’d have likely won .

Utd are 7/10 in possession of the ball, and 1/10 without it. Do you really believe sitting back as an SD team would improve our chances. Thank God VK is in charge.

[ClaretPete001]

I said a few months ago , when we were really playing bad that I would not mind losing games,or even being relegated if every player was giving their all. Yesterday and recently I have been seeing a totally different side, who have upped their games and minimised the mistakes (not totally). Its made me believe, and I think the script is written for a miracle. The short term objective was to get within 2 points of Forest and we did that yesterday. I don't see them getting much today v Man City, and then pray we can deliver in that final game. The players have belief and showing it, and I thought yesterday Amdouini showed great commitment to earn that penalty and play a major role. The likes of him, Odobert, Berge, and Foster can get us the goals, and we are starting to see some big heroes at the back like O Shea and Muric. Please VK don't tamper too much in the final 3 games

I think the players have done that all season.

[mdd2]

There is some truth in that but can we decide what has happened to this group of players since we played West Ham
P8 W2 D5 L1 F11 A8 pts 11

[ClaretPete001]

There is some truth in that but can we decide what has happened to this group of players since we played West Ham
P8 W2 D5 L1 F11 A8 pts 11

I can think of 4 things:

1. The addition of the 3 loanees in January has made a big difference.
2. Cullen should never have been dropped and his return has helped
3. Muric has helped to improve the speed of attack and he should have been played much earlier.
4. Foster has had a reasonable run in the team

Overall,VK abandoning the City lite experiment before Xmas improved things, the addition of the loan players helped and the resurrection of Cullen and Muric has all contributed to a more consistent side and we have reaped the benefits.

[Culmclaret]

I thought we were down months ago because we just didn’t seem to be learning/improving but that has changed. Slowly but surely we are looking like a PL team. Probably just a bit too late, but who knows. I still feel that this season was a huge missed opportunity and the management was (criminally) slow to adapt, but credit where it is due, if we can keep the nucleus of this side together the future looks a lot brighter than it did two or three months ago. I don’t think promotion is a given if we go down but this season three of the top four in the Championship were relegated in the previous season and that tells a story which is becoming increasingly clear.

[AlargeClaret]

Utd are 7/10 in possession of the ball, and 1/10 without it. Do you really believe sitting back as an SD team would improve our chances. Thank God VK is in charge.

The point is irrelevant, SD wouldn’t play a team like VK and vice versa . Though parking the bus would indeed have been impossible to hold out with this team . It’s the case of 1-1 at Man Utd 10 mins left and playing like we had to win outright was a dangerous gamble .

[KRBFC]

I think Esteve has made a huge difference, Dara has really improved, thought both were brilliant Yesterday.

If we got relegated I’d be amazed if Esteve stuck around, he’d absolutely waltz into a mid table side.

[DingleDangle]

The mistakes at the back is on the manager.

Play with fire you get burnt. A little bit more 'pragmatism' and we'd be in a much better spot.

Not quite sure how you come to the conclusion that player's individual mistakes are VK's fault? The players themselves need to be more aware and concentrate more. They are the ones making the mistakes, not the manager. Berge didn't need to make that pass yesterday.

However, a lot of positives lately and yesterday which we need to focus on. A big point and hopefully we can keep it going and stay up.

[CoolClaret]

Not quite sure how you come to the conclusion that player's individual mistakes are VK's fault? The players themselves need to be more aware and concentrate more. They are the ones making the mistakes, not the manager. Berge didn't need to make that pass yesterday.

However, a lot of positives lately and yesterday which we need to focus on. A big point and hopefully we can keep it going and stay up.

Warning, had a brew - caffeine inspired post ahead:

Did you hear what Bellamy said after the Brighton game?

Whilst I do appreciate that ultimately the players make the mistakes not the manager, I think it's far more nuanced than that... I'm also not necessarily 'blaming' the manager here btw - I just think it's a natural occurrence that will happen with our team until our team improves. I think it's unfair to pin blame on an individual player for 'mistakes' playing out like this because they quite literally are instructed to do so.

Players at every level of football make mistakes, better players make less mistakes and make more good decisions than bad decisions - when we're playing high risk/reward football and building play up from the back then any slight mistake made will be punished to a higher degree; teams are a lot more vulnerable after losing the ball and even more vulnerable when you turn the ball over closer to your own goal, with men committed forward and running back to your own goal.

Playing football like we do will naturally cause more incidents, but what we won't stick out (unless we score from a chance/nearly score) is how many chances we do create going forwards from playing this way (there will probably be some quantitive data on it somewhere).

Kompany clearly believes that playing this way (even with the odd mistake) will, over the course of a season, be a net 'positive' even if we do have a few howlers here and there and yes we've certainly made too many of them this season.

Conversely, Dyche has so many clean sheets and low number of goals against his teams because he doesn't even begin to entertain playing out like we do as he knows just how important the first goal is in the Premier League; I recall from a few seasons back that the team scoring first didn't lose 90% of the time.

The trick is (and what the best teams/managers do) to get that balance right between chances allowed/chance creation - which is much easier said than done.

Look at Ancelotti and his Madrid side against City the other week. Yes they rode their luck at times but they certainly didn't beat themselves and get drawn into some sort of battle of 'footballing philosophy', when pressed high they had no problem going long and if they didn't retain possession, then invited City to break them down from a set defensive shape.

Against other teams Ancelotti/Madrid will undoubtedly play out and just blow teams off the park but as he is one of the best he just gets that balance and his game plans spot on.

[KRBFC]

Not quite sure how you come to the conclusion that player's individual mistakes are VK's fault? The players themselves need to be more aware and concentrate more. They are the ones making the mistakes, not the manager. Berge didn't need to make that pass yesterday.

However, a lot of positives lately and yesterday which we need to focus on. A big point and hopefully we can keep it going and stay up.

Everything is VKs fault, almost like Kompany was the one who passed it not Berge. Maybe Vincent was controlling Berge like on FIFA.

Anyway just blame Kompany

[CoolClaret]

Everything is VKs fault, almost like Kompany was the one who passed it not Berge. Maybe Vincent was controlling Berge like on FIFA.

Anyway just blame Kompany

Or you could wait for my reply and sequentially reply to my idea - but I guess for you its far easier to strawman points and reply in a petulant manner.

[KRBFC]

Or you could wait for my reply and sequentially reply to my idea - but I guess for you its far easier to strawman points and reply in a petulant manner.

It’s an extreme view though, whilst Kompanys overall message might be to pass the ball out that doesn’t mean the players are wearing shock collars with micro chipped brains. Whilst some mistakes will come from Kompany wanting the team to play out, that wasn’t one of them. Just like the Muric mistakes weren’t.

[CoolClaret]

It’s an extreme view though, whilst Kompanys overall message might be to pass the ball out that doesn’t mean the players are wearing shock collars with micro chipped brains. Whilst some mistakes will come from Kompany wanting the team to play out, that wasn’t one of them. Just like the Muric mistakes weren’t.

It's really not an extreme view at all, it's actually quite simplistic.

No but a team is a product of how they are managed. We all know Vinnie is meant to be very structured and detailed in how he wants his team to approach the game. When under pressure you revert to how you have trained.

I'm happy with it / VK because the team has shown that they've improved and will naturally lower the amount of 'mistakes' but ultimately the reason why we make so many around our own box/in our own half is because we're taking a lot more touches there.

Obviously, if a player is continuously doing it all the time and aren't up to it that is one thing but we were always gonna concede like we did on Saturday multiple times over the course of the season with our approach to the game - it's just how the cookie crumbles.