Who stays who goes ?

[Milltown1882]

With the writing on the wall who stays and who goes out of this squad? That squad size is unsustainable in the Championship, could easily make a case for about 25% of them to go..

Squad
Trafford
O’Shea
Taylor
Cork
Beyer
JBG
Brownhill
Rodriguez
Benson
Redmond
Berge
Foster
Ekdal
Assignon
Ramsey
Vitinho
Fofana
Cullen
Al-Dakhil
Amdouni
Vigouroux
Koleosho
Tresor
Esteve
JBL
Massengo
Delcroix
Odobert
Agyei
Muric

Out on loan

Egan-Riley
Twine
Weghorst
Roberts
Zaroury
McNally
Bastien
Churlinov
Dodgson
Obafemi
Costelloe

[boatshed bill]

Ideally I'd like to see our squad with no loanees in it.
I'd also hope we offload those players we've loaned out who have no PL future should we go up again.
Not much to do there

[Nonayforever]

Trafford to go for me

[Cooclaret]

Kompany can go.

[BurnleyFC]

It’s a hugely bloated squad, even by Premier League standards.

Chelsea-esque.

[warksclaret]

TO GO

Trafford -Liverpool apparently want him
Taylor-clearly not rated by VK
Cork
Rodriguez
Beyer-wants to go
JBG-desperately past it
Brownhill-sell now that he has a years extension
Benson -VK does not rate
Assignon-is leaving anyway
Fofana see Assignon
Tresor-hopefully no obligation to take him
Egan Riley
Weghorst
McNally
Bastian-never good enough
Obefemi-not good enough
Dodgson
Churlinov
Costello

[ksrclaret]

I would absolutely love to know how the manager has been allowed to assemble such a bloated, unbalanced, and underpowered squad. At a cost of well in excess of £100m as well. Does anybody hold the guy to account?

As for who stays, I’d love to keep the lads we know will get sweat on their shirt, but most of those guys will be going anyway, so I’m not really arsed about anyone else. O’Shea and Cullen never hide so keep those two.

[Iloveyoubrady]

For me:

Trafford - absolutely sell if anyone is stupid enough to offer even 70% of what we paid.
O’Shea - keep but has a price - could be used to recoup some of the funds required.
Taylor - 50/50 class player but doesn’t suit us.
Cork - can go
Beyer - keep
JBG - keep, good player worth nothing though.
Brownhill - sell - should get a decent fee.
Rodriguez - can go for me.
Benson - keep but he’ll want to go.
Redmond - get rid - why did we bother signing him?
Berge - will need to be sold.
Foster - will have a price, probably sell
Ekdal - keep
Assignon - keep if we can but doubt it.
Ramsey - keep because he’s worth nothing now but if anyone is stupid enough to offer a lot I would be pleased to see the back of him. Worst £15 million player I’ve ever seen.
Vitinho - keep but may get a decent offer.
Fofana - absolutely get rid
Cullen - keep
Al-Dakhil - keep
Amdouni - keep (doubt anyone will pay enough)
Vigouroux - keep
Koleosho - keep if we can
Tresor - get rid if we can.
Esteve - keep
JBL - if he is joining, keep.
Massengo - keep
Delcroix - keep, will be good by championship standards
Odobert - try to keep but will have a price - should be quite a high price.
Agyei - ?
Muric - keep if Trafford goes

Out on loan

Egan-Riley - loan again
Twine - keep
Weghorst - get rid
Roberts - keep but think he’ll want to go
Zaroury - keep
McNally - loan again
Bastien - keep as back up
Churlinov - get rid
Dodgson - ?
Obafemi - get rid (why did we buy him?)
Costelloe - sell

[jrgbfc]

Scary when you see the actual size of the squad written down. Massive summer ahead, we can't afford to balls up the way we did last summer.

[ClaretsPadiham]

Trafford - If the Liverpoool rumours are true, cash in
O’Shea - Keep, main defender for us in the Champ
Taylor - Keep
Cork - Too old get rid
Beyer - Keep
JBG - Sell
Brownhill - Cash in
Rodriguez - Get rid
Benson - Keep
Redmond - Keep if we can get him fit
Berge - KEEP KEEP KEEP
Foster - Garbage, sell
Ekdal - Keep
Assignon - Keep
Ramsey - Get rid
Vitinho - Keep
Fofana - Get rid
Cullen - Keep
Al-Dakhil - Keep
Amdouni - Keep
Vigouroux - Get rid
Koleosho - Keep
Tresor - 100% get rid
Esteve - Keep
JBL - Keep
Massengo - Get rid
Delcroix - Get rid
Odobert - Keep
Agyei - Get rid
Muric - KEEP KEEP KEEPER

Out on loan

Egan-Riley - Get rid
Twine - Get rid
Weghorst - Keep
Roberts - Keep
Zaroury - Keep
McNally - Keep
Bastien - get rid
Churlinov - Get rid
Dodgson - Get rid
Obafemi - Keep
Costelloe - Get rid

[DCWat]

I would absolutely love to know how the manager has been allowed to assemble such a bloated, unbalanced, and underpowered squad. At a cost of well in excess of £100m as well. Does anybody hold the guy to account?

As for who stays, I’d love to keep the lads we know will get sweat on their shirt, but most of those guys will be going anyway, so I’m not really arsed about anyone else. O’Shea and Cullen never hide so keep those two.

Alan and his starry eyed colleagues, allowing Vincent free reign, naively thinking that every player he signs will bring the cash rolling in and us comfortable in the Premier League.

[Wo Didi]

Keep Murić, Cullen, O'Shea and Berge, the rest, meh!

[colne-claret]

Trafford - sell if we can recoup money spent
O’Shea - stay
Taylor - leave
Cork - leave
Beyer - sell if we can get decent money
JBG - stay
Brownhill - leave
Rodriguez - leave
Benson - stay but probs will go
Redmond - stay
Berge - hopefully stay
Foster - stay
Ekdal - leave
Assignon - leave
Ramsey - stay
Vitinho - stay
Fofana - leave
Cullen- stay
Al-Dakhil - stay/loan
Amdouni - leave
Vigouroux - stay
Koleosho - stay
Tresor - leave
Esteve - stay
JBL - leave
Massengo - stay
Delcroix - stay
Odobert - leave
Agyei - stay
Muric - hopefully stay

Out on loan

Egan-Riley - leave
Twine - leave
Weghorst - leave
Roberts - leave
Zaroury -might stay
McNally - leave
Bastien - leave
Churlinov - leave
Dodgson - stay
Obafemi - leave
Costelloe - leave

[BurnleyFC]

Trafford - sell if we keep Muric and can recoup our money
O’Shea - keep
Taylor - out of contract
Cork - out of contract
Beyer - wants out
JBG - out of contract
Brownhill - sell
Rodriguez - out of contract
Benson - probably wants out
Redmond - sell (is he out of contract?)
Berge - would love to keep. Will be difficult
Foster - keep
Ekdal - keep
Assignon - back to parent club. Would love to keep
Ramsey - keep
Vitinho - keep
Fofana - back to parent club
Cullen - keep
Al-Dakhil - keep
Amdouni - would like to keep. Think he’ll want out but would be very good for the Championship
Vigouroux - keep
Koleosho - keep
Tresor - hope we don’t have an obligation, but would probably be good in the Championship
Esteve - keep
JBL - probably a good buy for a relatively small outlay
Massengo - keep
Delcroix - keep
Odobert - cash in if we can, although I like him
Agyei - sell
Muric - will probably want out. Can’t blame him

Out on loan

Egan-Riley - sell
Twine - sell
Weghorst - is he out of contract? If not, sell
Roberts - wants out
Zaroury - keep
McNally - sell
Bastien - sell
Churlinov - sell
Dodgson - keep
Obafemi - sell
Costelloe - another loan

[blatherwickstattoos]

They can all go for me. Bunch of yellow belly’s

[123EasyasBFC]

Who stays and who goes is anyone’s guess but given the choice I would certainly want these to stay:

Muric
O’Shea
Esteve
Ekdal
Beyer
Taylor
Vitinho
Cullen
Berge
Brownhill
Massengo
JBG
Benson
Zaroury
Koleosho
Odobert
Redmond
JBL
Ramsey
Amdouni
Foster

The rest can all leave for me

[warksclaret]

Interestingly, the thinking on who goes is largely consistent. Big focus is on making it happen and we ship them out, recouping money and saving wages. But we need to ensure our more prized jewels ie Berge, Odobert, Koleosho, Muric, Cullen, Amdouini stay

[ksrclaret]

Alan and his starry eyed colleagues, allowing Vincent free reign, naively thinking that every player he signs will bring the cash rolling in and us comfortable in the Premier League.

Yep. The nonsense that Alan Pace was spouting over the summer about doing everything possible to keep hold of the most beautiful girl in town just seemed like a cringey soundbite at the time, but it was clearly factored in to the summer activities.

[123EasyasBFC]

We might have to bank on going back up first time if asking because there’s no guarantee anyone comes in for any of our players

[warksclaret]

Yep. The nonsense that Alan Pace was spouting over the summer about doing everything possible to keep hold of the most beautiful girl in town just seemed like a cringey soundbite at the time, but it was clearly factored in to the summer activities.

The camera on the stream I was watching panned to him and his wife today at 0-4. He looked a worried man whose world was about to end

[colne-claret]

The camera on the stream I was watching panned to him and his wife today at 0-4. He looked a worried man whose world was about to end

Probably p1ssed off that he got booed at half time.

[KRBFC]

I would absolutely love to know how the manager has been allowed to assemble such a bloated, unbalanced, and underpowered squad. At a cost of well in excess of £100m as well. Does anybody hold the guy to account?

As for who stays, I’d love to keep the lads we know will get sweat on their shirt, but most of those guys will be going anyway, so I’m not really arsed about anyone else. O’Shea and Cullen never hide so keep those two.

£120m on an entire squad of 25 is absolute peanuts for the PL, Newcastle spent more than half of that on one player Isak.

[BurnleyFC]

£120m on an entire squad of 25 is absolute peanuts for the PL, Newcastle spent more than half of that on one player Isak.

But when you put it into perspective by comparing it to what Dyche spent, it doesn’t look good.

[JR1882]

Go - Vincent plz.

[BigGaz]

Jordan Beyer will be here next season, or VK will be lads, one or the other but 100% not both. You can hang your hat on that, bookmark it or do whatever you want with it. That's all I'll say on that.

I'm not seeing the clamour for Muric's signature that people seem to be anticipating almost as a foregone conclusion.

He's a great keeper, and I love him to bits, but he quite simply is erratic and costs goals.

Berge to a lesser extent. He rightly takes some credit for a recent spell of form towards the back end of the season but for swarthes of it he's been just as anonymous and lacking fight, bottle and urgency as the rest of them. He's played his part in taking two teams down now and he can't hide behind being a junior member of this side.

Great players at champ levelind.

If any of these lilly livered sausages had anything about them they'd want to make amends and we could jettison the chaff which would hopefully give us wiggle room in finances to keep the better ones together.

The chaff being:

Trafford
Vigoroux
Al Dakhil
Delcroix
Assignon (not ours, would keep otherwise)
Beyer (as mentioned)
Taylor (Wages)
Brownhill (don't see him signing on again)
Benson (we've absolutely ****** it. insanity)
Churlinov
Bastien
Redmond
Cork (thanks for everything son)
Obafemi
Amdouni
J-Rod (as Cork)
Roberts
Weghorst
Twine
McNally

[BigChaCha]

KRBFC wrote:
£120m on an entire squad of 25 is absolute peanuts for the PL, Newcastle spent more than half of that on one player Isak.

We weren't competing with Newcastle and look who we spent more than below -

Brighton & Hove Albion
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Brentford FC
Fulham FC
Crystal Palace
Sheffield United
Everton FC
Luton Town

Anyone who doesn't think we wasted that £100+m in the summer window, needs to take up watching netball instead!

[colne-claret]

Muric
New/Trafford
Vigouroux

Vitinho
Sambo

O’Shea
Delcroix
Esteve
New
Al Dakhil

New left back x 2

Cullen
Massengo
Berge
New
Ramsey

Redmond
Zaroury/Benson
Koleosho
New
New

Foster
New
New

Rekon this is how we may look next year

[ksrclaret]

It will be a massive shame if we've alienated Beyer.

[agreenwood]

It will be a massive shame if we've alienated Beyer.

It would. What’s to suggest we have?

[ksrclaret]

It would. What’s to suggest we have?

Rumours

It will be a massive shame if we've alienated Beyer.

[123EasyasBFC]

Muric
New/Trafford
Vigouroux

Vitinho
Sambo

O’Shea
Delcroix
Esteve
New
Al Dakhil

New left back x 2

Cullen
Massengo
Berge
New
Ramsey

Redmond
Zaroury/Benson
Koleosho
New
New

Foster
New
New

Rekon this is how we may look next year

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s not far off being right, massive ask to keep both Berge and Odobert but the think Berge is more likely to stay than Wilson

[agreenwood]

Rumours

It will be a massive shame if we've alienated Beyer.

Probably a load of ******** then.

[ksrclaret]

Probably a load of ******** then.

Who knows

[JR1882]

I mean the management have a track record of sidelining players regardless of their contribution?

[Woodleyclaret]

Micheal Mellon scored again and we need to be integrating him in the first team pool.Owen Dodgson has played well for Dundee and is worth keeping as a back up left back.

[ElectroClaret]

I would absolutely love to know how the manager has been allowed to assemble such a bloated, unbalanced, and underpowered squad. At a cost of well in excess of £100m as well. Does anybody hold the guy to account?

Post of the day.

[JR1882]

Seemingly he isn’t held to account for anything whatsoever. Whole thing is a huge mess and there’s barely a whisper of discontent from within.

[Since62]

Just not bothered about any of them, including the manager.

[BurnleyFC]

It would. What’s to suggest we have?

He apparently wants out. Even CT alluded to it this week.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Hope we keep:
O'Shea, Berge, Cullen, Koleosho, Beyer, Esteve & Muric.

Hope we actively try to shift
Tresor & Weghorst also JT, Ramsey & Amdouni (if we can get close to the same money back for them). Foster also increasingly close to this category for me as well.

The rest - meh, won't lose sleep over any of them.

[claretspice]

Assume we get rid of a keeper, Roberts Beyer (cos he's saleable and not a first choice) McNally, Berge, Brownhill and Odobert for cash, plus a couple of the squad players, and that Taylor, Cork and Rodriguez leave on frees, and Brunn Larsen, Fofana and Tresor go back to their parent club.

That brings us in a significant cash, and leaves us with the makings of a decent squad. There's plenty of quality, pace and power. It will need building out in midfield and at left back but its a very strong nucleus. What it will need above all else is the additional of a bit of experience and character to create the dressing room ownership that has been missing a bit this season.

[boatshed bill]

Mental responses.
These sort of threads really do bring the loonies out after a defeat

[claretspice]

Hope we keep:
O'Shea, Berge, Cullen, Koleosho, Beyer, Esteve & Muric.

Hope we actively try to shift
Tresor & Weghorst also JT, Ramsey & Amdouni (if we can get close to the same money back for them). Foster also increasingly close to this category for me as well.

The rest - meh, won't lose sleep over any of them.

Must say I find the comments about Ramsey a little bizarre. I don't think there's a doubt there's a player in there and he has already performed very well in the Championship at Boro. If he's regained his fitness I'd have thought he might be a really valuable player next season in the Championship and the sort of player we can build around in midfield with Cullen.

[gawthorpe_view]

Post of the day.

In a very crowded field.

[Cooclaret]

£120m on an entire squad of 25 is absolute peanuts for the PL, Newcastle spent more than half of that on one player Isak.

This isn’t a Premier League squad

[Vegas Claret]

This isn’t a Premier League squad

it probably wasn't 120 million either

[Enola Gay]

Micheal Mellon scored again and we need to be integrating him in the first team pool.Owen Dodgson has played well for Dundee and is worth keeping as a back up left back.

If we’re relying on performances at Dundee we’re screwed.

As for the main question, there are remarkably few players I’d miss if they left this season.

Full reset required, and that may include the manager.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Must say I find the comments about Ramsey a little bizarre. I don't think there's a doubt there's a player in there and he has already performed very well in the Championship at Boro. If he's regained his fitness I'd have thought he might be a really valuable player next season in the Championship and the sort of player we can build around in midfield with Cullen.

That is where I really doubt him - fitness. Feels like he has been struggling with injuries already so much in his early career that he is/was a massive gamble. I think he could be a decent player, just can we rely on him to stay fit.

In all honesty I fully expect him to be here next season, so I am hoping he can step up.

[KRBFC]

But when you put it into perspective by comparing it to what Dyche spent, it doesn’t look good.

Why when did Dyche ever need to buy 30 players in 12 months? The answer is never so it’s not comparable.

[KRBFC]

We weren't competing with Newcastle and look who we spent more than below -

Brighton & Hove Albion
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Brentford FC
Fulham FC
Crystal Palace
Sheffield United
Everton FC
Luton Town

Anyone who doesn't think we wasted that £100+m in the summer window, needs to take up watching netball instead!

We might have spent more than Everton in one window but what does that mean? They’ve spent a fuckin fortune previously assembling that squad. Same with the others. We’d need to spend another £500m to be close to Everton’s PL spend with Moshiri and we’d probably still be short.