Moyes

[mdd2]

Well Hibs from my vantage point on Saturday after the first 15mins they didnt look like a team trying to win. It was a shocking display of how to defend.

[Hibsclaret]

How was the defending at OT last week or at Chelsea with ten men. We can all point to a game or two to prove a point but the main issue this season is lack of experience. Eddie played two up top that completely destroyed us on Saturday and we hit them on form having destroyed Spurs recently too. We tried to win the game but were outplayed by an expensive team on form playing a formation that was clearly unexpected.

[elwaclaret]

Well Hibs from my vantage point on Saturday after the first 15mins they didnt look like a team trying to win. It was a shocking display of how to defend.

Do you not think that the current form of West Ham is typical of a team that knows the manager will not be in position much longer?

I have a lot of time for David Moyes, while agreeing he does not fit the profile Alan Pace wants at Burnley Football Club. He was on a hiding to nothing following AF at Man U, it was hardly a surprise on the back of that experience that Sunderland did not go well. But, having returned refreshed I do not see how anyone could dismiss what he achieved in his two spells at West Ham, where he was not welcomed when he first arrived. It seemed West Ham learned their lesson when re-hiring him, only for them to undermine him once more after selling Rice and after not only leading them to Europe, but winning the Conference League… their first European trophy since the Cup Winners Cup of 1965.

Anyone writing Moyes off has as short a memory as the self-entitled West Ham fans. I hope they need him to dig them out again and he refuses to answer their call.

[Raconteur]

Paid the price for a while because of Man U and then taking Sunderland down. But before Man U and since Sunderland he’s been excellent.

It's quite typical of this message board to look at Moyes and to class that season at Sunderland (they were awful when they came to the turf) as a blip but then not offer Kompany the same luxury.

[Neil]

How was the defending at OT last week or at Chelsea with ten men. We can all point to a game or two to prove a point but the main issue this season is lack of experience. Eddie played two up top that completely destroyed us on Saturday and we hit them on form having destroyed Spurs recently too. We tried to win the game but were outplayed by an expensive team on form playing a formation that was clearly unexpected.

You shouldn't pick out a game or two to prove a point.
On the opposite side of the argument you could point out how woeful Chelsea were playing at the time and we all know the state Utd are in.

You should look at the season as a whole and it's not been good.

It's one thing playing to win but you've got to accept you just can't go all out in the Prem like we could in the Championship.

[Hibsclaret]

The woeful Chelsea that beat Everton 6 nil just a week or two later.

What you should do is look at the season and see whether we have improved or not. Barring a few games where we have been outclassed we have quite clearly improved which is normal for a young team.

[Neil]

The woeful Chelsea that beat Everton 6 nil just a week or two later.

What you should do is look at the season and see whether we have improved or not. Barring a few games where we have been outclassed we have quite clearly improved which is normal for a young team.

Yes, the Chelsea that could only draw at Sheff Utd the week after playing us.

I think we have improved but not enough.

It's a young team but who's fault is that?

[ClaretTony]

It's quite typical of this message board to look at Moyes and to class that season at Sunderland (they were awful when they came to the turf) as a blip but then not offer Kompany the same luxury.

Shankly/Ferguson/Wenger combined wouldn’t have kept Sunderland up that season. The club was a toxic mess.

[ClaretTony]

Yes, the Chelsea that could only draw at Sheff Utd the week after playing us.

I think we have improved but not enough.

It's a young team but who's fault is that?

Nowhere near enough. We’ve played 36 games so if you split that in two we had 11 points in the first 18 and we’ve won 13 points in the last 18. We have scored more goals in the second set (18/21) but conceded more (36/38).

[dougcollins]

Personally I’d prefer to watch a team trying to win than trying not to lose.

This is where I sit. Moyes is going backwards, an anachronism.

[Hibsclaret]

We’ve just had 2 match reports suggesting brilliant Burnley at both United and Chelsea. There weren’t too many of those early season.

We can look at points totals to suggest we haven’t improved much but to the naked eye we have been far better in overall play whilst basically giving points away due to individual errors such as against United, Brighton and Everton. We have been nowhere near as out of our depth as early season.

We were relegated under Dyche after the first season so I would suggest any fair comparisons can be made should we fail to return. If we do though we will do it with a team that passes the ball to feet and averages an age in their early twenties.

[AlargeClaret]

We’ve just had 2 match reports suggesting brilliant Burnley at both United and Chelsea. There weren’t too many of those early season.

We can look at points totals to suggest we haven’t improved much but to the naked eye we have been far better in overall play whilst basically giving points away due to individual errors such as against United, Brighton and Everton. We have been nowhere near as out of our depth as early season.

We were relegated under Dyche after the first season so I would suggest any fair comparisons can be made should we fail to return. If we do though we will do it with a team that passes the ball to feet and averages an age in their early twenties.

Not sure what SD had to spend in the 1st prem season but presuming it wasn’t the approx 100m that VK had? or indeed the base squad from yrs in the prem . Though comparisons are generally daft as every manager’s reign has its own goal . The main thing is we go down in good order and bounce right back .

[dougcollins]

The main thing is we go down in good order and bounce right back .

Couldn't agree more.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Do we want a pragmatic manager that wins games or a manager with his head in the clouds passing it around the back being punished every other week.


I know which I’d prefer.

We’ve given away upwards of ten goals this season ******* about at the back , unsustainable if and when we return to this level.