Next seasons kit manufacturer - Castore

[Milltown1882]

Have the FAB seen the new kit? Don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned anywhere if they have

They need to get a job rather than posing on twitter for a few likes acting like they know more than everyone else. Embarrassing.

[NewClaret]

Just been having a look through the Villa and Newcastle club shops.

Some really nice gear - good designs and much more modern than the Umbro wear.

Expensive at full price but heavily discounted in the sale.

[Bosscat]

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[IanMcL]

Andy Murray Clothing made by Castore. Should be good stuff.

[CoolClaret]

Saw this corker on 'X'

[IanMcL]

Badge upside down?

[RammyClaret61]

There is no better way for these pigs to ingratiate their selves with the claret support and belay any I'll will towards this appointment by producing the following:

Simple Claret shirt with blue collar
Simple Blue sleeves with claret trim
Simple white shorts with claret trim
Hooped claret and blue socks

Then for the away kit, the exact same except with white as the predominate colour with a claret trim instead.

All will be forgiven.

This.

[ArmchairDetective]

Traditional or something retro/fresh?

Traditional but with a retro/fresh twist

[1989_claret]

Is it just me or are these FAB lot getting on people's nerves? It's like they think they are some kind of super fans

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[GetIntoEm]

come across a bunch of power goons tbh.

be lucky we are not playing in a palestine kit next year with that lot

[Quickenthetempo]

Pace has obviously picked people who he thinks can influence the younger fans to be on the FAB.

Why else would you pick a fan channel numpty who doesn't even go on the Turf?

[Plissken]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

[BigGaz]

I don't get the hate either personally.

There are some serious misunderstandings going on about what level of influence they have, what topics they can successfully influence and perhaps the most important: the way they can influence.

I see lots on twitter going along the lines of:

I'll be going in there ******* telling them this and that ******* isn't on and these signings have been **** and you've wasted money.

No.

They're there to talk, diplomatically, about fan experience related issues, like whether or not the pies are too hot or if they like the design of a shirt or if their messaging is inclusive enough.

They've not come out of these meetings saying. "Yeah don't worry everyone, we've convinced Alan to sack Kompany and the next gaffer will have 150m to spend in the champ, and we've been personally involved in the financials of the kit deal" so they're good for nothing failures. Mind boggles.

[1989_claret]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

Anyone who applies to be on something like this should be ruled out of being able to. There is 100% an element of look at me on other sites by some of those on the board.

[dandeclaret]

My only problem with the fan advisory board, is they don't actually have a way of representing fans. The disengagement of the supporters clubs, which had channels of feedback into them, is a real blow to ensuring the club are aware of what fans are really feeling about the peripheral stuff - the fan experience etc.

[GetIntoEm]

That's the thing, they are not an accurate representation of our fan base. It's a box ticker fest who don't gather any data from the rest of us. Wouldn't do it for the world like, better things to do

[Burnley1989]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

Very true

[NewClaret]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

Just catching up on this thread and this summarises my thoughts exactly.

Folk just come across as insanely jealous whenever they complain about them for no apparent or logical reason as far as I can tell.

[BigGaz]

That's the thing, they are not an accurate representation of our fan base. It's a box ticker fest who don't gather any data from the rest of us. Wouldn't do it for the world like, better things to do

I'm a white, straight bloke approaching his forties and I feel that they are.

Which demographic do you feel has been missed out? The cokeheads? beer engines? The well hard lads?

[NewClaret]

I'm a white, straight bloke approaching his forties and I feel that they are.

Which demographic do you feel has been missed out? The cokeheads? beer engines? The well hard lads?

There was actually an application process that deliberately ensured all aspects of our fanbase were represented. Those complaining don’t seem to know anything about it. You have to laugh

[dandeclaret]

They are a diverse bunch of individuals..... but if power of one voice from diverse individuals is seen as representing the fan base, then you're in as likely to be stereotyping as ever has happened. It says that all females in their 20's are exactly like the representative on the fan advisory board. it's a dangerous position to be in.

These people need to have access to feedback from people of similar profiles in order to accurately reflect the views of the population.

[bumba]

Traditional but with a retro/fresh twist

As in a throw back to a previous kit? Something along the lines of last season type style?

[ArmchairDetective]

As in a throw back to a previous kit? Something along the lines of last season type style?

Can see a throwback in one. Let's just say it's beauty may be in the eye of the bee holeder.

[GetIntoEm]

I'm a white, straight bloke approaching his forties and I feel that they are.

Which demographic do you feel has been missed out? The cokeheads? beer engines? The well hard lads?

None of those are represented yes. That's not the point I'm making tho.

Reade dandeclarets post above

[burnmark]

Can see a throwback in one. Let's just say it's beauty may be in the eye of the bee holeder.

Amber and black stripes?

[AGENT_CLARET]

As in a throw back to a previous kit? Something along the lines of last season type style?

I've heard it's going to be in the style of this and priced at £60

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[ArmchairDetective]

I've heard it's going to be in the style of this and priced at £60


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Hadn't realised that shirt might be the inspiration but can certainly see similarities.

[aggi]

My only problem with the fan advisory board, is they don't actually have a way of representing fans. The disengagement of the supporters clubs, which had channels of feedback into them, is a real blow to ensuring the club are aware of what fans are really feeling about the peripheral stuff - the fan experience etc.

Did they? I for one had no idea how the supporters clubs interacted with the club other than CT occasionally saying something like "I've got a meeting at the club next week, I'll mention it" and I've no idea how I'd get my feedback to them other than social media (so little different to the current FAB).

I agree with the general point but I suspect it wasn't a broad range of views being represented previously and it was much less transparent than the FAB.

[BigGaz]

None of those are represented yes. That's not the point I'm making tho.

Reade dandeclarets post above

Yeah it's as daft a point as yours is.

Focus groups/sounding boards like this - for stakeholders, customers, taxpayers, fans etc etc are found literally everywhere, for everything and they continue to exist because they work well.

Claiming that something is dangerous because you're trying to get a handle on sentiment from a small group of people is daft

Claiming that just because they might seek out the opinion of a couple of girls in their twenties will mean they'll take that as a read for every 20 year old girl is equally daft.

If they got 100, a 1000, 10,000 fans it's still obviously not going to be accurate representation of all of our types of fans, nor would it be workable.

I swear some of you lot just be out here saying things because you simply must have an opinion on something.

[dandeclaret]

Did they? I for one had no idea how the supporters clubs interacted with the club other than CT occasionally saying something like "I've got a meeting at the club next week, I'll mention it" and I've no idea how I'd get my feedback to them other than social media (so little different to the current FAB).

I agree with the general point but I suspect it wasn't a broad range of views being represented previously and it was much less transparent than the FAB.

My understanding was that there were regular (don't know how often) meetings with representatives of the club, and representatives from the supports clubs. There were definitely things that were raised around some things that to many were peripheral, but to others were important. I've seen things discussed on coaches, or in meetups at away games at both Colne Clarets and Central Clarets, as well as things raised on this messageboard. There were clear points of engagement with the club with people involved in running the clubs to get questions asked - I don't know what those engagement points / discussion points are any more, and whether it provides a differentiation for those who are travelling / going to games.

[daveisaclaret]

The FAB doesn't fulfil any function other than the club's requirement to have an FAB. Some of the people on it do seem quite insufferable but that's really by the by. If the FAB didn't exist, the club wouldn't be engaging with other supporters groups because the club doesn't want to engage with supporters.

[dandeclaret]

I think Keiran Maguire's pointing out on the FTBH podcast that there are clubs that manipulate this, especially when trying to avoid difficult fans or questions, was somewhat telling.

[aggi]

My understanding was that there were regular (don't know how often) meetings with representatives of the club, and representatives from the supports clubs. There were definitely things that were raised around some things that to many were peripheral, but to others were important. I've seen things discussed on coaches, or in meetups at away games at both Colne Clarets and Central Clarets, as well as things raised on this messageboard. There were clear points of engagement with the club with people involved in running the clubs to get questions asked - I don't know what those engagement points / discussion points are any more, and whether it provides a differentiation for those who are travelling / going to games.

Exactly. There were some meetings involving some supporters clubs (which is a pretty specific subset of fans) but no clear route of how to engage if you didn't travel with them, what was discussed, what the outcomes were, who was at the meetings, etc.

I don't think the FAB, as it is implemented, is great but at least it's got minutes, a list of who attends, contact details, an engagement plan, etc
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... ters-clubs

[CrosspoolClarets]

Really the role of the FAB is to both tick the necessary regulator box that will enforce having one, and to get feedback inwardly from the FAB, i.e. one way communication. It is a sounding board, nothing more. The minutes aren’t therefore something we need to see. They’ll have been shown a Castore shirt, fine, to ask their opinion. Whether that opinion is listened to is another matter.

That the FAB is chocker full of minority groups and ladies will no doubt lead to some good suggestions for those fans that the board may not have thought of. The typical “white male” fan though, who is probably 80%+ of those who attend matches, has a different set of needs and I’m not convinced the FAB is well placed to talk to the club on their behalf because those members don’t seem a broad enough set of characters.

What there should be is a process for wider fans to engage with the FAB. There isn’t one, so they don’t represent the fans. They certainly do not represent me and they know nothing of my needs. OK, there is contact details, but no real encouragement or process to use them.

It is also a hiding to nothing. A set of owners who appear culturally secretive, their wider church certainly famously is, who force you to sign a NDA to stay on the FAB, doesn’t sound much fun to me. I bet it is all very condescending and hierarchical a bit like being in a proper job but not getting paid for it.

[aggi]

A lot has been made of the NDA, it should be noted that it in the Premier League Guidance for the Fan Advisory Board.

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https://resources.premierleague.com/pre ... -FINAL.pdf

Like a lot of things that get complained about, this is a football issue, not just a Burnley issue.

[dandeclaret]

Exactly. There were some meetings involving some supporters clubs (which is a pretty specific subset of fans) but no clear route of how to engage if you didn't travel with them, what was discussed, what the outcomes were, who was at the meetings, etc.

I don't think the FAB, as it is implemented, is great but at least it's got minutes, a list of who attends, contact details, an engagement plan, etc
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... ters-clubs

I don’t know the exact makeup, but believe it included most of the major supporters clubs, clarets trust leads, and fans who were well connected into the fan base. I don’t know whether that is still the case with the FAB, but there’s a growing number of voices in certain demographics who are stating they feel discinnected from the club, and that the club feels disconnected from the community. I can understand why they are saying that, and can also understand why the club might want that to be the case too.

[bumba]

I've heard it's going to be in the style of this and priced at £60


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Isn't that what Villa have got this season?

[burnmark]

Isn't that what Villa have got this season?

Not really

[bumba]

Not really

I'd say it's a blue collar away from being a modern remake of the shown further up

[HahaYeah]

So if Armchair and Agent are right about the new home kit - it has arran sleeves and is fairly traditional looking.

Noted.

[Cooclaret]

I know this is drifting off topic but in my experience across several sports, the people who complain the loudest and most vehemently about the people on supporter advisory boards or equivalent are the ones who would give their eye teeth and sell their first born in order to replace them.

I think that there’s been a rough transition between the old and the new. Those who had ‘power’ no longer have it and that’s been rough for all and led to some unexpected and unnecessary ‘run’.

I would say that in my opinion, those who have power very rarely like to give it up and cling to it quite tightly.

[burnmark]

I'd say it's a blue collar away from being a modern remake of the shown further up

An old design from a few seasons ago but this in claret with blue sleeves would be extremely similar

[bumba]

An old design from a few seasons ago but this in claret with blue sleeves would be extremely similar

Hopefully better than I'm visualising then cos by the sounds of it it could be worse than this year's.
Least castore usually do decent away kits!

[1989_claret]

Aston Villa are set to announce adidas as their new manufacturer following Newcastle so that's two big clubs Castore have lost.

[Jamesy]

Aston Villa are set to announce adidas as their new manufacturer following Newcastle so that's two big clubs Castore have lost.

Are you sure their deals haven’t just come to an end? Liverpool have a deal with Nike that comes to an end next season. Also teams like Villa who are currently doing well appeal to bigger kit manufacturers.

[claret2018]

Having a Castore kit is properly tinpot. The Lonsdale of sports kits.

[Chester Perry]

Are you sure their deals haven’t just come to an end? Liverpool have a deal with Nike that comes to an end next season. Also teams like Villa who are currently doing well appeal to bigger kit manufacturers.

both have been ended early

[Jamesy]

both have been ended early

Source?

[Jamesy]

Having a Castore kit is properly tinpot. The Lonsdale of sports kits.

So we should have Nike fawning all over us should we, being the massive club that we are?