Turning backs on 65 minutes at Spurs

[ClaretTony]

Spurs fans are again being asked to turn their backs on play tomorrow on 65 minutes in support of their senior supporters who are, or will be, losing their concessions. Given our seniors have also been hit and given our young supporters have been hit even harder, it's a good opportunity to join the Spurs fans and turn our backs too. They've had a great response from supporters at other clubs.

[dougcollins]

Can we turn our backs for 90 minutes?

[ClaretAndJew]

If enough of our fans are in the stadium at 65 minutes then yeah.

[Winstonswhite]

Have the club given a reason or explained the decision to remove concessions??!

[claretonthecoast1882]

You can almost imagine the conversation in the pub after the match between 2 concessions.

Spurs fan - Cheers for joining in the protest
Burnley fan - No problem this charging concessions too much has to stop
Spurs fan - yeah they are doing away with ours completely, how much is yours going up to ?
Burnley fan - cheapest is £11 a game dearest is £15 a game
Spurs fan - (looks a bit puzzled) you are protesting about that price ? how much did you pay for your ticket today ?
Burnley fan - £25

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Have the club given a reason or explained the decision to remove concessions??!

They don't need to give a reason, it is obviously because they are greedy and want to make more money. They obviously hope that the senior fans will stop going to make way for younger people who may, or may not, continue to give support in the future.
Like everything else at the top level of football ---only money matters.

[ClaretTony]

They don't need to give a reason, it is obviously because they are greedy and want to make more money. They obviously hope that the senior fans will stop going to make way for younger people who may, or may not, continue to give support in the future.
Like everything else at the top level of football ---only money matters.

Exactly - about every last penny they can squeeze from us. Spurs was also the first away game we went to where there were no concessions for away fans. Our prices might be lower but they are doing just the same thing at Burnley.

[Dark Cloud]

Have the club given a reason or explained the decision to remove concessions??!

As someone said above, they don't really need to give a reason, but I would think the most obvious reason is that in common with most top clubs, I guess they've discovered that "seniors" are these days a hugs part of the match day crowd and so they feel there's a cash cow there which far from being milked, is actually getting something of a cushy ride. It's ridiculously short sighted as losing them removes a huge area of "legacy" fans who pass that heritage on down the generations and the replacements are basically "plastics" who aren't aligned with clubs in the way people used to be. It's a very risky strategy imo. (But as a newly annointed senior I would say that wouldn't I!!?)

[Jamesy]

Exactly - about every last penny they can squeeze from us. Spurs was also the first away game we went to where there were no concessions for away fans. Our prices might be lower but they are doing just the same thing at Burnley.

And this is the thin end of the wedge Tony. Wait until the end of next season and they will increase them again by more than the rate of inflation.
If we get promoted (and there is a chance), they will probably increase them significantly instead of rewarding loyalty by keeping them the same or just a minor inflationary increase.

[gandhisflipflop]

That’ll show em!

[aggi]

Have the club given a reason or explained the decision to remove concessions??!

This is what they said:

- Senior Concessions: The number of senior concession Season Tickets has risen to four times the number at White Hart Lane – not taking matchday concessions into account. This increase is clearly not sustainable and will start to limit ticket choice for others year on year. We have, therefore, reluctantly taken the decision not to make new senior concession Season Tickets available, starting from Season 2025/26 – however, matchday senior concession tickets will remain available.

- Existing Season Ticket Holders who become eligible for a discounted Season Ticket for the 2024/25 season, will still qualify for a senior concession Season Ticket at a discounted rate of 50 per cent – this applies only to those currently sat within a concession area. All currently held senior concession Season Tickets – prior to Season 2024/25 - are also unaffected next season and will have a 50 per cent discount applied.

- All senior concession Season Tickets will then be phased to a 45 per cent discount in Season 2025/26, to a 40 per cent discount in Season 2026/27, to a 35 per cent discount in Season 2027/28, a 30 per cent discount in Season 2028/29 and a 25 per cent discount in 2029/30, bringing it in line with match day senior concessions and Young Adults. Junior concession Season Tickets will remain at 50 per cent.

For comparison the seniors season tickets at Burnley are going from a 40% discount to a 30% discount.

[FCBurnley]

Welcome to the world of American business

[aggi]

Welcome to the world of American business

Spurs are British owned.

[bfcjg]

Plenty turned their back on the match last week when the 4th Newcastle hoal went in.

[ClaretTony]

This is what they said:

- Senior Concessions: The number of senior concession Season Tickets has risen to four times the number at White Hart Lane – not taking matchday concessions into account. This increase is clearly not sustainable and will start to limit ticket choice for others year on year. We have, therefore, reluctantly taken the decision not to make new senior concession Season Tickets available, starting from Season 2025/26 – however, matchday senior concession tickets will remain available.

- Existing Season Ticket Holders who become eligible for a discounted Season Ticket for the 2024/25 season, will still qualify for a senior concession Season Ticket at a discounted rate of 50 per cent – this applies only to those currently sat within a concession area. All currently held senior concession Season Tickets – prior to Season 2024/25 - are also unaffected next season and will have a 50 per cent discount applied.

- All senior concession Season Tickets will then be phased to a 45 per cent discount in Season 2025/26, to a 40 per cent discount in Season 2026/27, to a 35 per cent discount in Season 2027/28, a 30 per cent discount in Season 2028/29 and a 25 per cent discount in 2029/30, bringing it in line with match day senior concessions and Young Adults. Junior concession Season Tickets will remain at 50 per cent.

For comparison the seniors season tickets at Burnley are going from a 40% discount to a 30% discount.

For comparison, the Spurs senior tickets start to go a year on for those who already have them. At Burnley the concession drop actually started for the current season with bigger drops for next season. We have also shockingly upped the prices for young adults, most over 50% and some nearly 150%.

[claretcarrot93]

For comparison, the Spurs senior tickets start to go a year on for those who already have them. At Burnley the concession drop actually started for the current season with bigger drops for next season. We have also shockingly upped the prices for young adults, most over 50% and some nearly 150%.

Our tickets are still very good value for money in comparison to the market.

[ClaretTony]

Our tickets are still very good value for money in comparison to the market.

That’s not the point. Clubs are clearly moving towards getting rid of concessions. It’s not just Spurs and our club.

[burnley007]

That’s not the point. Clubs are clearly moving towards getting rid of concessions. It’s not just Spurs and our club.

The Bayern Munich example should be closely monitored. Their chairman has said that the money made from fans on a match day is negligible compared to TV/CL money, which is why they have such low ticket prices.

It makes perfect sense. People will still spend money at the ground, food&drink, club shop etc.

[ArmchairDetective]

Seems unfair to hit some with price increases more than others. Chances are the majority of senior concessions have paid a full season ticket price for a good chunk of their adult life. I don't begrudge them a concession in the slightest.

The cynic in me says it's to discourage older supporters from renewing and free up some seats for younger fans. But they also reduced the young person's discount too.

The other explanation is that the change is purely profit driven. But then just increase the price of all tickets by the same margin.

Anyway, I don't blame anyone for joining in turning their backs on 65 mins as Spurs.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Can we turn our backs for 90 minutes?

I hope the Spurs team does

[Jamesy]

Our tickets are still very good value for money in comparison to the market.

In an economically depressed area though.

[Goobs]

In an economically depressed area though.

Unlike a town down the road which is just a very depressing area.

[claretonthecoast1882]

In an economically depressed area though.

Our dearest normal seat season tickets are

Adults £525
Over 65 £360
Under 22 £360
Under 18 £144
Under 12 £69* If in Jimmy Mc stand

Preston's are

Adults £495
Over 65 £345
Under 22 £345
Under 19 £150
Under 11 free providing with an adult

Sheff Weds are

Adults £710
Over 65 £395
Under 25 £540
Under 17 £220
Under 11 £140

1 Lancs and 1 Yorks club both in championship next season. Trying to work out with set of fans have had and will have going forward the better value.

[OssyClaret]

Genuine question but why do concessions for seniors exist?

I’d like to see a comparison of the disposable income of someone recently retired compared to those in work and more likely to have larger outgoings that your average Senior no longer has (childcare, mortgage etc.)

[claretonthecoast1882]

Genuine question but why do concessions for seniors exist?

I’d like to see a comparison of the disposable income of someone recently retired compared to those in work and more likely to have larger outgoings that your average Senior no longer has (childcare, mortgage etc.)

yep, but then you would need people to not think of just themselves.

There are young adults on far lesser income who have't paid their mortgage off, probably can't even afford to get on the property ladder depending where they live/work yet some who are mortgage free and a lifetime of the chance to save while buying their property cheap aren't happy as they are no longer getting say 50% of the adult price

[Jamesy]

Our dearest normal seat season tickets are

Adults £525
Over 65 £360
Under 22 £360
Under 18 £144
Under 12 £69* If in Jimmy Mc stand

Preston's are

Adults £495
Over 65 £345
Under 22 £345
Under 19 £150
Under 11 free providing with an adult

Sheff Weds are

Adults £710
Over 65 £395
Under 25 £540
Under 17 £220
Under 11 £140

1 Lancs and 1 Yorks club both in championship next season. Trying to work out with set of fans have had and will have going forward the better value.

Better value in comparison to what? Median take home pay? Disposable income amongst pensioners?
Sheffield is a prosperous city. Preston economically and in terms of social depravation is a better place to live than Burnley.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Better value in comparison to what? Median take home pay? Disposable income amongst pensioners?
Sheffield is a prosperous city. Preston economically and in terms of social depravation is a better place to live than Burnley.

I get the feeling you would offer an excuse for any club in the same division.

Should London clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 charge the same price as Spurs and Arsenal seen as they are still in London.

[Coeus]

It’s not an easy answer. I’ve posted before that there are a great many over 65 who can easily afford it. There are also plainly those who cannot afford without a concession and the “game” is a need not a choice perhaps. Meaning they need the company, the day out, having something in common for at least a few hours every other week. Something during the week to spark conversation. Something to look forward to is very very important.
There is also an argument for under 65 who have hit hard times, need food banks, etc to have a concession.
Should people over 55 on benefits get a reduction? In an ideal world they should but they still pay TV licence for that entertainment.
It’s time for a rethink and those on income support, pension credits etc need a little help in supporting our club and perhaps a “Supporters support ticket” could be an option but limited to a set number per season?
If a “Family club” it needs to try and find an answer but I think the idea of a 65 year old millionaire paying less than an unemployed 60 yo on benefits doesn’t sit right with me.
The modern game is out of reach for many and it was them who helped build the game. I would think it’s gut wrenching for stars of yesterday seeing what players earn now which in turn translates to what fans must pay now.

[Jamesy]

I get the feeling you would offer an excuse for any club in the same division.

Should London clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 charge the same price as Spurs and Arsenal seen as they are still in London.

Not offering any excuses. And of course clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 in London shouldn’t be charging same as Arsenal and Spurs just because their fans probably earn similar. You have also got to weigh up the standard of football they will be watching and the quality of stadia etc. When you stated our tickets are good value compared to others on the market I simply said Burnley is a depressed area. By this I mean that consideration should be given to this when increasing season ticket prices as people in Burnley may have less disposable income than people in other areas.
Why do pub chains like Wetherspoons charge different prices in different towns? They do this because they carefully look at social demographics in relation to income and poverty levels and charge what they believe they can get away with and be sustainable.
Going forwards, our owners need to be very careful with future season ticket increases as they may start pricing out long serving supporters. If we are in the Premier League they probably wouldn’t be bothered about this at all because they know they could charge more to put bums on seats. However, if we have a prolonged period in the Championship or even drop to League 1 then we could easily be seeing sub 15,000 attendances again and the Yanks will soon be on their toes and away to another venture capitalist project.

[Quickenthetempo]

The Bayern Munich example should be closely monitored. Their chairman has said that the money made from fans on a match day is negligible compared to TV/CL money, which is why they have such low ticket prices.

It makes perfect sense. People will still spend money at the ground, food&drink, club shop etc.

I'm not sure the full season ticket money even pays enough for the interest on all the clubs loans.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not offering any excuses. And of course clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 in London shouldn’t be charging same as Arsenal and Spurs just because their fans probably earn similar. You have also got to weigh up the standard of football they will be watching and the quality of stadia etc. When you stated our tickets are good value compared to others on the market I simply said Burnley is a depressed area. By this I mean that consideration should be given to this when increasing season ticket prices as people in Burnley may have less disposable income than people in other areas.
Why do pub chains like Wetherspoons charge different prices in different towns? They do this because they carefully look at social demographics in relation to income and poverty levels and charge what they believe they can get away with and be sustainable.
Going forwards, our owners need to be very careful with future season ticket increases as they may start pricing out long serving supporters. If we are in the Premier League they probably wouldn’t be bothered about this at all because they know they could charge more to put bums on seats. However, if we have a prolonged period in the Championship or even drop to League 1 then we could easily be seeing sub 15,000 attendances again and the Yanks will soon be on their toes and away to another venture capitalist project.

Me and both my sons all live in Lytham should we pay more than someone who lives in Burnley with Burnley being such a depressed area ? Both my sons work with me and are on the property ladder but along way from paying off their mortgage where as mine is nearly done. Is it right that we are all pay the same as I have more disposable income than they do.

Both my lads get a discount with their railcard is it right that they can sit at the same table as me on the train but get a 1/3 off because they are under 25 ? When you book a train from Burnley to London is it cheaper than when you go from Preston because of the area the person lives in ?

[Bullabill]

Preston economically and in terms of social depravation is a better place to live than Burnley.

Depravation??? Surely you mean deprivation?
There's a huge difference.

[Herts Clarets]

If every Burnley fan followed the London Clarets and invoked the "3 goal rule" I fear there won't be any in the ground to turn their backs....

[Jamesy]

Me and both my sons all live in Lytham should we pay more than someone who lives in Burnley with Burnley being such a depressed area ? Both my sons work with me and are on the property ladder but along way from paying off their mortgage where as mine is nearly done. Is it right that we are all pay the same as I have more disposable income than they do.

Both my lads get a discount with their railcard is it right that they can sit at the same table as me on the train but get a 1/3 off because they are under 25 ? When you book a train from Burnley to London is it cheaper than when you go from Preston because of the area the person lives in ?

Lucky you.
No you shouldn’t be paying more just because you have more disposable income than someone who lives in Burnley. I never said anything about means testing ST prices.
What I said was, Burnley is a depressed area economically so consideration should be given to this when factoring in season ticket increases. And looking at pricing for certain categories.
I don’t live in Burnley either but recognise the levels of poverty in the town.
That’s all I am saying. Sorry you missed my point…. totally.

[Jamesy]

Depravation??? Surely you mean deprivation?
There's a huge difference.

Sorry I spelt it wrong. Definitely not depraved supporters. Well hopefully not!

[dougcollins]

The Bayern Munich example should be closely monitored. Their chairman has said that the money made from fans on a match day is negligible compared to TV/CL money, which is why they have such low ticket prices.

It makes perfect sense. People will still spend money at the ground, food&drink, club shop etc.

This is absolutely the point. It's penny pinching for the club, but could be the make or break for some in terms of attending.

[Spijed]

The Bayern Munich example should be closely monitored. Their chairman has said that the money made from fans on a match day is negligible compared to TV/CL money, which is why they have such low ticket prices.

It makes perfect sense. People will still spend money at the ground, food&drink, club shop etc.

How do smaller clubs in Germany manage on lower gate receipts?

Whilst the bigger clubs and others in the prem (ourselves included) can afford to reduce tickets how would those in league 1 and 2 survive if they have to fall in line with reduced prices when their gate receipts are what they rely on?

[AfloatinClaret]

...It's ridiculously short sighted as losing them removes a huge area of "legacy" fans who pass that heritage on down the generations...

Does it? If those seniors have passed on that legacy to their sons/daughters already, then it is they who will pass it on to their own kids in their turn; if they haven't passed it on to their kids, then they're surely not very likely to pass it on to their grand kids either.

[forzagranata]

Sad to see more signs of a 'divide and rule strategy among fans working.

Concessions for juniors and seniors is a long standing tradition in English football and one which ensures a good spread of age groups in a club's active support.

You can argue over the fairness of a relatively wealthy retired businessman paying less than a minimum wage worker but there is never going to be 'means testing' for football tickets.

So either you have concessions or you don't.

Go and visit an American sports venue and you'll be struck by the absence of older people. And people on low incomes too. And its no accident.

[Hipper]

The club is just a business and will try and charge what the market will bear. That's why Burnley has usually been cheaper then other clubs.

https://onefootball.com/en/news/how-muc ... s-38868033

[Sozturf7]

Get a life.

[AmbleClaret]

Get a life.

As long as you don't live past 65.

[Sozturf7]

That's done it.

[aggi]

Sad to see more signs of a 'divide and rule strategy among fans working.

Concessions for juniors and seniors is a long standing tradition in English football and one which ensures a good spread of age groups in a club's active support.

You can argue over the fairness of a relatively wealthy retired businessman paying less than a minimum wage worker but there is never going to be 'means testing' for football tickets.

So either you have concessions or you don't.

Go and visit an American sports venue and you'll be struck by the absence of older people. And people on low incomes too. And its no accident.

Isn't that ultimately what concession tickets are? Means testing on a demographic basis (but possibly based on old data).