Mike Tresor

[agreenwood]

If we keep him, it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on next season, when we’re likely to be dominating the ball in a lot of games again.

He looked too much of a luxury player for a side who struggled to hold onto the ball this season, but we might be able to utilise a luxury player or two next year when opposition sides show us more respect.

For what it’s worth I’ve long thought that the same applies to Benson. You’re not going to get much defensively from him and if you’re not regularly camped in the oppos half, he’s probably not effective enough at PL level to warrant a spot.

The signing of Tresor (and jettisoning of Benson) does leave me wondering if Kompany thought we’d have more possession/domination than proved to be the case.

[Goliath]

If we keep him, it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on next season, when we’re likely to be dominating the ball in a lot of games again.

He looked too much of a luxury player for a side who struggled to hold onto the ball this season, but we might be able to utilise a luxury player or two next year when opposition sides show us more respect.

For what it’s worth I’ve long thought that the same applies to Benson. You’re not going to get much defensively from him and if you’re not regularly camped in the oppos half, he’s probably not effective enough at PL level to warrant a spot.

The signing of Tresor (and jettisoning of Benson) does leave me wondering if Kompany thought we’d have more possession/domination than proved to be the case.

I thought Benson worked pretty hard when he came on. He also showed the underrated ability of being able to get us up the pitch which helped us defensively.
He's been criminally underused.

[123EasyasBFC]

I thought Benson worked pretty hard when he came on. He also showed the underrated ability of being able to get us up the pitch which helped us defensively.
He's been criminally underused.

I don’t think benson did anything when he came on and nor should he, with the complete lack of game time it’s no wonder he wasn’t able to get into the game.

[Goliath]

I don’t think benson did anything when he came on and nor should he, with the complete lack of game time it’s no wonder he wasn’t able to get into the game.

He absolutely tore them open in midfield with his first touches of the ball. And then at least once took us up the pitch from.the right back position without ever looking like losing the ball under heavy pressure. That's something we've struggled with all season.

[123EasyasBFC]

He absolutely tore them open in midfield with his first touches of the ball. And then at least once took us up the pitch from.the right back position without ever looking like losing the ball under heavy pressure. That's something we've struggled with all season.

Depends how you spin it, I don’t think he tore them open at all and spurs never looked worried. It’s not a dig at benson by any means, what’s he supposed to do. Larsen was having so much joy in first half, at 1-1 it seemed so simple to bring benson in at half time, the plan of containing until 70 or so minutes was never going to work. We created one chance in the second half with an odobert deflected shot.

Starting the second half with benson Odobert Larsen and foster running at the Spurs defence

[NewClaret]

Depends how you spin it, I don’t think he tore them open at all and spurs never looked worried. It’s not a dig at benson by any means, what’s he supposed to do. Larsen was having so much joy in first half, at 1-1 it seemed so simple to bring benson in at half time, the plan of containing until 70 or so minutes was never going to work. We created one chance in the second half with an odobert deflected shot.

Starting the second half with benson Odobert Larsen and foster running at the Spurs defence

I agree here with your comments that Benson didn’t do much. He looked great in the first minute, then faded after his knock. Even if I’d have liked to see much more of him this year, being objective, nothing really in his stint to suggest he should’ve been playing all season.

I disagree about bringing him on at HT. Our plan to contain them did work. Loads of fans this year have been talking about the need to keep games tight and stay in them. We did that well till 82 minutes when incidentally the more attacking subs had been made. I’m not blaming them for the goals here, just think it was the right strategy.

[Neil]

I agree here with your comments that Benson didn’t do much. He looked great in the first minute, then faded after his knock. Even if I’d have liked to see much more of him this year, being objective, nothing really in his stint to suggest he should’ve been playing all season.

I disagree about bringing him on at HT. Our plan to contain them did work. Loads of fans this year have been talking about the need to keep games tight and stay in them. We did that well till 82 minutes when incidentally the more attacking subs had been made. I’m not blaming them for the goals here, just think it was the right strategy.

Absolutely.
We had to stay in the game first and foremost and the plan at half time was probably to keep it tight and hopefully nick one in the last 15 minutes.

[Goliath]

Depends how you spin it, I don’t think he tore them open at all and spurs never looked worried. It’s not a dig at benson by any means, what’s he supposed to do. Larsen was having so much joy in first half, at 1-1 it seemed so simple to bring benson in at half time, the plan of containing until 70 or so minutes was never going to work. We created one chance in the second half with an odobert deflected shot.

Starting the second half with benson Odobert Larsen and foster running at the Spurs defence

His little one two with a back heel opened them up completely and had JBL possibly through on goal..unfortunately the pass was straight to his feet instead of out infront of him so he had to check slightly and lay it off

[Big Vinny K]

Thought Benson looked pretty decent tbh.
Saying he’s not shown enough in his 20 minutes to justify him playing more this season is harsh to say the least.
He’s hardly had a chance - the odd 10 minutes or so every couple of months. And when he comes on the same posters saying he didn’t do much !!

We should have seen a lot more of him this season - and in particular in the last 2 or 3 months. Whilst our form definitely improved (it was difficult for it to get any worse) we drew far too many games. We played a number of teams when they were having real off days (Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace, Wolves, Everton away etc etc) and many of these games fizzled out in the last 20 minutes when we needed to try and win these games not draw them.
One of VK’s biggest failings this season has been his substitutions. How many times has our performance gone backwards after his subs ? That is not the point of your bench when you are desperate for points.

[AfloatinClaret]

for those who have not seen it - Andy Jones in The Athletic

I won't comment on the things that I've not seen/heard for myself, but that strikes me as a pretty fair appraisal of the way our season's played out:
Not too bad in the middle of the park, but a steady flow of costly mistakes at the back and an inability to put away the chances which did present themselves, with some of those defensive mistakes and missed goals being plain... embarrassing; we're finishing this season exactly where we deserve.
C'est la vie, onwards and back upwards

[claretspice]

If we keep him, it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on next season, when we’re likely to be dominating the ball in a lot of games again.

He looked too much of a luxury player for a side who struggled to hold onto the ball this season, but we might be able to utilise a luxury player or two next year when opposition sides show us more respect.

For what it’s worth I’ve long thought that the same applies to Benson. You’re not going to get much defensively from him and if you’re not regularly camped in the oppos half, he’s probably not effective enough at PL level to warrant a spot.

The signing of Tresor (and jettisoning of Benson) does leave me wondering if Kompany thought we’d have more possession/domination than proved to be the case.

I think the signings of both Tresor and Amdouni suggest that was the case, although in fairness I suspect that in Tresor's case his set piece expertise was also attractive and quality deadball delivery is something we've lacked at times.

As to the article itself, the only thing that struck me as revelatory was the section on left backs. If you scout over 200, and none prove suitable for your system within your budget - well something needs rethinking in what you are trying to do. If you've only got beer money, get a nice beer- don't fixate on Champagne.

[helmclaret]

To be honest, we know very little about if Tresor will be a success or not at Burnley.

The step up to the PL has been overwhelming for a lot of the young talent in the squad.

[jedi_master]

He’s been worse than useless if we’re honest. A total fish out of water.

If we’re laboured with him then we have to try and make value out of it by giving him a go. Surely he’s good enough for the Championship.

[Goliath]

I think the signings of both Tresor and Amdouni suggest that was the case, although in fairness I suspect that in Tresor's case his set piece expertise was also attractive and quality deadball delivery is something we've lacked at times.

As to the article itself, the only thing that struck me as revelatory was the section on left backs. If you scout over 200, and none prove suitable for your system within your budget - well something needs rethinking in what you are trying to do. If you've only got beer money, get a nice beer- don't fixate on Champagne.

You could argue that Taylpr was the nice beer.

[bumba]

I am more optimistic than that. I think there'll be plenty of talent likely left after the sales are done and with a couple of shrewd acquisitions of wise heads and a bit more athleticism on loan, I think we'll be more than good enough to start as favourites. Our possession style tends to emphasise our superiority over opponents in the Championship. The problem this season- apart from our press being less effective- is that against better players, it emphasises that inferiority too.

We'll also have the advantage of the players we retain knowing each other and the set up. For the first time under Kompany it ought to be evolution not revolution. We've seen improvements in the spring because the players have grown up and together as a team. Hopefully we won't be mad enough to try and start from scratch again.

I'm not positive or negative about next season yet, once we're a few days away from the first match I think most fans will already know how it's going to pan out.
As we currently stand I think we'd struggle.
We need to offload a lot of rubbish then be very astute in who we sell for good money that allows us to keep a good solid backbone

[KRBFC]

File in the drawer with the other dozen or so massive misses.

Who are the other dozen massive misses? You keep repeating this nonsense like Kompany just signs duds, his strike rate is incredibly good so far.

[KRBFC]

Tresor was one the fans got excited about, now he’s rubbish and it’s all VKs fault. Proper easy this hindsight stuff

[CoolClaret]

Tresor was one the fans got excited about, now he’s rubbish and it’s all VKs fault. Proper easy this hindsight stuff

I don't think it's necessarily that - more to sign him for a (relatively) big fee when we had already signed numerous wingers and had glaring holes in the squad elsewhere was an unnecessary signing and therefore the expectation of Trésor (rightly or wrongly) was pretty high.

I wouldn't write him off just yet though, that's for certain.

[Rileybobs]

Who are the other dozen massive misses? You keep repeating this nonsense like Kompany just signs duds, his strike rate is incredibly good so far.

His strike rate certainly isn’t anything like incredibly good. And his strike rate for buying players capable of competing in the Premier League is incredibly poor.

[claretspice]

You could argue that Taylpr was the nice beer.

You could. And in one sense he is. But to extend the metaphor he's not quite the beer you want with a nice meal in a beer garden on a hot day. There's no question we've missed two things in particular that Maatsen gave us last season- athleticism at the back (recovery speed in particular) and penetrative passing from the left back channels to break the lines. Taylor, for all his virtues, offers neither of those things. And to bring this full circle, I suspect part of the calculation for bringing in the likes of Tresor was that we thought we'd have a left back who either was Maatsen, or was of his ilk, and thar that would create a better platform for Tresor et al to perform.

[Rileybobs]

If we’re talking strike rates regarding successful transfers here is how I would categorise every signing under Kompany. Obviously this is simplistic but is based on how I would rate the success of the signing based on our requirement at the time.

Success;
Tella
Beyer
Maatsen
Harwood Bellis
Vitinho
Ekdal
Muric
Cullen
Zaroury
Benson
Al-Dakhil
Bruun Larsen
Esteve
Assignon
Koleosho
O’Shea
Odobert
Berge
Beyer

Not a success;
Dervisoglu
Obafemi
Egan-Riley
Agyei
Bastien
Twine
Churlinov
Foster
Fofana
Tresor
Massengo
Redmond
Delcroix
Ramsey
Trafford
Amdouni

N/A
Franchi
Vigoroux

I make this around a 50% strike rate. Obviously this is subjective, and some players who are in the second category may prove a success next season, but I can only go off how our funds were used at the time and how successful each signing has been to date.

[CoolClaret]

You could. And in one sense he is. But to extend the metaphor he's not quite the beer you want with a nice meal in a beer garden on a hot day. There's no question we've missed two things in particular that Maatsen gave us last season- athleticism at the back (recovery speed in particular) and penetrative passing from the left back channels to break the lines. Taylor, for all his virtues, offers neither of those things. And to bring this full circle, I suspect part of the calculation for bringing in the likes of Tresor was that we thought we'd have a left back who either was Maatsen, or was of his ilk, and thar that would create a better platform for Tresor et al to perform.

Agree with your point specifically the passing from left back - Maatsen quite literally carved teams open for us last season from left back.

Not so sure on your final point, yes Trésor was probably a target for a long time over summer but it was only finalised on the last day of the window right at the death, well past when Maatsen had made his intentions clear.

[KRBFC]

If we’re talking strike rates regarding successful transfers here is how I would categorise every signing under Kompany. Obviously this is simplistic but is based on how I would rate the success of the signing based on our requirement at the time.

Success;
Tella
Beyer
Maatsen
Harwood Bellis
Vitinho
Ekdal
Muric
Cullen
Zaroury
Benson
Al-Dakhil
Bruun Larsen
Esteve
Assignon
Koleosho
O’Shea
Odobert
Berge
Beyer

Not a success;
Dervisoglu
Obafemi
Egan-Riley
Agyei
Bastien
Twine
Churlinov
Foster
Fofana
Tresor
Massengo
Redmond
Delcroix
Ramsey
Trafford
Amdouni

N/A
Franchi
Vigoroux

I make this around a 50% strike rate. Obviously this is subjective, and some players who are in the second category may prove a success next season, but I can only go off how our funds were used at the time and how successful each signing has been to date.

Dervisoglu played his role, a success for his late winner alone.

Egan Riley a failure? Really? He was a free transfer kid from City, what was expected of him?

Agyei the same, a kid from an academy with zero expectation.

Bastien a low cost squad player who did his job.

Twine Churlinov Redmond I agree but why? Failure because they’re bad signings or because they’ve been injured for long spells, stop start.

The jury is still out on most of them, we’re deeming Massengo a failure based on what? He hasn’t played yet…. He clearly wasn’t bought to make an instant impact.

[Rileybobs]

Dervisoglu played his role, a success for his late winner alone.

Egan Riley a failure? Really? He was a free transfer kid from City, what was expected of him?

Agyei the same, a kid from an academy with zero expectation.

Bastien a low cost squad player who did his job.

Twine Churlinov Redmond I agree but why? Failure because they’re bad signings or because they’ve been injured for long spells, stop start.

The jury is still out on most of them, we’re deeming Massengo a failure based on what? He hasn’t played yet…. He clearly wasn’t bought to make an instant impact.

Where have I called anyone a failure? I have simply put all of VK’s signings into a successful or not category. I don’t imagine a single Burnley fan would categorise them all exactly as I have done as it’s subjective, but what it does demonstrate is that Kompany certainly doesn’t have an incredibly good strike rate in the transfer market. In fact, considering the amount spent and the resulting jmbalance in the squad I’d actually suggest his strike rate is poor.

[daveisaclaret]

It's probably not possible to have a good strike rate if you sign 37 players in 2 seasons.

[KRBFC]

Where have I called anyone a failure? I have simply put all of VK’s signings into a successful or not category. I don’t imagine a single Burnley fan would categorise them all exactly as I have done as it’s subjective, but what it does demonstrate is that Kompany certainly doesn’t have an incredibly good strike rate in the transfer market. In fact, considering the amount spent and the resulting jmbalance in the squad I’d actually suggest his strike rate is poor.

If a player (Bastien, Delcroix, Dervisoglu, Massengo) is bought as squad cover, a body to thicken out the squad, I don’t see how they can be considered not successful.

[Rileybobs]

If a player (Bastien, Delcroix, Dervisoglu, Massengo) is bought as squad cover, a body to thicken out the squad, I don’t see how they can be considered not successful.

Quite simple really. If they haven’t been successful I would consider them not successful. Some of these players have been surplus to requirement due to the size of the squad, therefore they were unnecessary signings and haven’t been successful. Others have been proven to not be good enough for the level they were signed for.

[123EasyasBFC]

If we’re talking strike rates regarding successful transfers here is how I would categorise every signing under Kompany. Obviously this is simplistic but is based on how I would rate the success of the signing based on our requirement at the time.

Success;
Tella
Beyer
Maatsen
Harwood Bellis
Vitinho
Ekdal
Muric
Cullen
Zaroury
Benson
Al-Dakhil
Bruun Larsen
Esteve
Assignon
Koleosho
O’Shea
Odobert
Berge
Beyer

Not a success;
Dervisoglu
Obafemi
Egan-Riley
Agyei
Bastien
Twine
Churlinov
Foster
Fofana
Tresor
Massengo
Redmond
Delcroix
Ramsey
Trafford
Amdouni

N/A
Franchi
Vigoroux

I make this around a 50% strike rate. Obviously this is subjective, and some players who are in the second category may prove a success next season, but I can only go off how our funds were used at the time and how successful each signing has been to date.

Are you giving your not successful ones a chance to succeed? Because I don’t think it’s fair yet for the likes of ageyi, Massengo, Ramsey, and Redmond. 3 of them have had long term injuries and Massengo clearly for future. It’s fair to say they aren’t a success yet

[Clive 1960]

Tresor was one the fans got excited about, now he’s rubbish and it’s all VKs fault. Proper easy this hindsight stuff

He looked decent in the Belgium league but hasn't been able to replicate that form here which could be down to a few things so hopefully he can step up in the Championship next season like a few others..

[ClaretPete001]

That report is a load of pap.

Surprised you've linked it on here to be honest CP.

Because people can make their own minds up....

[Rileybobs]

Are you giving your not successful ones a chance to succeed? Because I don’t think it’s fair yet for the likes of ageyi, Massengo, Ramsey, and Redmond. 3 of them have had long term injuries and Massengo clearly for future. It’s fair to say they aren’t a success yet

Yes, like I said in my post, some of these players may prove to be a success in future but I’m judging the signings in the context in which they were made and the player’s contribution to date.

As for injuries, of course a lot of this is down to luck, but it is also exacerbated by signing young and less robust players.

[123EasyasBFC]

Yes, like I said in my post, some of these players may prove to be a success in future but I’m judging the signings in the context in which they were made and the player’s contribution to date.

As for injuries, of course a lot of this is down to luck, but it is also exacerbated by signing young and less robust players.

Redmond isn’t a young player and looked to be a freak injury.
Ageyi did his acl in pre season
Ramsey again did his knee and look a serious one by landing funny after challenging for the ball.

I think a season in the championship can judge whether players are a success in England and might just not be able to cut it at premier league level.

Someone like Amdouni for example I think he would be comfortably to good for the championship but hasn’t quite cut it at premier league level

[Rileybobs]

Redmond isn’t a young player and looked to be a freak injury.
Ageyi did his acl in pre season
Ramsey again did his knee and look a serious one by landing funny after challenging for the ball.

I think a season in the championship can judge whether players are a success in England and might just not be able to cut it at premier league level.

Someone like Amdouni for example I think he would be comfortably to good for the championship but hasn’t quite cut it at premier league level

You’re making my point for me. We were a Premier League side when we signed Amdouni, so that signing hasn’t been successful.

[123EasyasBFC]

You’re making my point for me. We were a Premier League side when we signed Amdouni, so that signing hasn’t been successful.

Yes I’m agreeing with your point by saying we will see if we have players who can be successful in England but just at championship level not premier league level.

Calm down people aren’t always disagreeing with you

[Rileybobs]

Yes I’m agreeing with your point by saying we will see if we have players who can be successful in England but just at championship level not premier league level.

Calm down people aren’t always disagreeing with you

I’m perfectly calm, not sure why you would think otherwise.

I’m not really interested in whether signings we make for a Premier League campaign ultimately end up being successful players in the championship or league 1. My post was about Kompany’s ‘strike rate’ with signings which KRBFC described as incredibly good. I was demonstrating that it is anything but. I’m not calling players successes or failures, I’m judging the transfers.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m perfectly calm, not sure why you would think otherwise.

I’m not really interested in whether signings we make for a Premier League campaign ultimately end up being successful players in the championship or league 1. My post was about Kompany’s ‘strike rate’ with signings which KRBFC described as incredibly good. I was demonstrating that it is anything but. I’m not calling players successes or failures, I’m judging the transfers.

What are you classing them being a success on then because you just said amdouni you are basing on being a signing for the prem. you have but zaroury as a success but from your argument you would class him as not successful this season

[Rileybobs]

What are you classing them being a success on then because you just said amdouni you are basing on being a signing for the prem. you have but zaroury as a success but from your argument you would class him as not successful this season

I’m judging them as a success or not based on the context in which they were signed. Zaroury was signed in the summer of our last relegation and was an integral part of our title winning side. Therefore he was a successful transfer. Amdouni was signed to fill a key role in our Premier League side and has proven below the standard required, therefore he wasn’t a successful transfer.

[KRBFC]

I’m perfectly calm, not sure why you would think otherwise.

I’m not really interested in whether signings we make for a Premier League campaign ultimately end up being successful players in the championship or league 1. My post was about Kompany’s ‘strike rate’ with signings which KRBFC described as incredibly good. I was demonstrating that it is anything but. I’m not calling players successes or failures, I’m judging the transfers.

But the success rate % goes down significantly when you’re clutching at straws and adding in the likes of Dervisoglu, Egan Riley, Massengo, Bastien and Agyei.

[Rileybobs]

But the success rate % goes down significantly when you’re clutching at straws and adding in the likes of Dervisoglu, Egan Riley, Massengo, Bastien and Agyei.

I’m not adding anyone in, I’ve listed every single signing. If you want to believe that Dervisoglu and Egan Riley have been successful signings then crack on.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m not adding anyone in, I’ve listed every single signing. If you want to believe that Dervisoglu and Egan Riley have been successful signings then crack on.

Perhaps there should be an extra list of players you can’t pass judgement on rather than them not being successful

[Quicknick]

Watch him take the Championship by storm and be our player of 2024/25.

[KRBFC]

I’m not adding anyone in, I’ve listed every single signing. If you want to believe that Dervisoglu and Egan Riley have been successful signings then crack on.

Dervisoglu was probably the best 4th choice forward in the league. Scored a vital goal.

Egan Riley was practically a youth team signing.

They weren’t signed to make instant impact, just provide cover for those who were.

[Vegas Claret]

Dervisoglu was probably the best 4th choice forward in the league. Scored a vital goal.

Egan Riley was practically a youth team signing.

They weren’t signed to make instant impact, just provide cover for those who were.

not sure about Egan-Riley, hadn't he already had a number of games off the bench for City ? I honestly thought he'd get more of a look in than he did

[Rileybobs]

Perhaps there should be an extra list of players you can’t pass judgement on rather than them not being successful

Perhaps, but like I said originally I was just making a simplistic compilation of our signings under Kompany to illustrate that his strike rate in the transfer market is anything but incredibly good. Obviously there are numerous other factors to consider, but as a fag packet exercise I’d say it’s there or thereabouts.

The list also demonstrates just how many pointless signings we’ve wasted resources on that could have been used to address more critical areas of the squad. The whole transfer policy has been scattergun.

[Vegas Claret]

you only have to look at Chelsea to see signing young players en mass is a guarantee of zero immediate success regardless of the outlay. It's taken Arsenal 4 or 5 years and massive outlay to get where they are with young lads. I'm surprised so many have been surprised by what we've seen this season from us.

[123EasyasBFC]

Perhaps, but like I said originally I was just making a simplistic compilation of our signings under Kompany to illustrate that his strike rate in the transfer market is anything but incredibly good. Obviously there are numerous other factors to consider, but as a fag packet exercise I’d say it’s there or thereabouts.

The list also demonstrates just how many pointless signings we’ve wasted resources on that could have been used to address more critical areas of the squad. The whole transfer policy has been scattergun.

That’s one thing that can’t be argued the amount of pointless unnecessary signings over 4 windows

[jlup1980]

I've just watched the top 16 goals we scored last season on YouTube and it's criminal that Tresor (and others) has taken minutes off Benson. The lad was a sensation last season. He scored incredible goals with regularity. I cannot for the life in me understand what VK has been trying to achieve this season. Benson is a match winner. I know the PL is a step up but you have to give him a try. It's genuinely embarrassing that someone with his talent has been given so few minutes. Hopefully we get to see him again next season... probably once the majority of this seasons wingers have departed the club!

[Goliath]

Thinking about it, there's probably going to be a big indicator as to what we plan to do with Tresor in the game against Forest.
If he is staying then it's an absolute no brainer to start him, same with Benson.

[123EasyasBFC]

Thinking about it, there's probably going to be a big indicator as to what we plan to do with Tresor in the game against Forest.
If he is staying then it's an absolute no brainer to start him, same with Benson.

Isn’t there a difference of around 3m from finishing 18th to 19th? That’s still good income, can’t see there being much change from yesterdays team

[Rileybobs]

Thinking about it, there's probably going to be a big indicator as to what we plan to do with Tresor in the game against Forest.
If he is staying then it's an absolute no brainer to start him, same with Benson.

I think VK’s introduction of Benson and Tresor yesterday was quite telling. Players who he obviously believes are the most likely to create a goal out of nothing at a point in the season where there was absolutely nothing to lose, but obviously not trusted in any other scenario.