Next seasons starting line up for the first game

[jedi_master]

I assume that we will sell/loan: Odobert, Amdouni, Trafford from our current regular squad. I also expect Rodriguez, Cork and Taylor to be released. I think Brownhill will stick with us a year and get a move on a free in 12 months as he won't be worth much and is a known quantity in the Championship. I also think, contrary to the rest of you, that Berge will not get the bids that would make us bite. We know how good he is but he isn't a young man anymore and his ceiling appears to be top end Championship/relegation battle Premier League unless managers know less than our fanbase. As a result (and pending signings in the areas I expect - i.e, left back and striker):

-------------------------------------------------------MURIC
VITINHO------------------O'SHEA-------------------------------------BEYER-----------------ESTEVE
---------------------------------------CULLEN----------------BERGE
-------KOLEOSHO----------------------------BROWNHILL--------------------------TRESOR
---------------------------------------------------FOSTER

Subs: Vigoroux, Sambo, Ekdal, Massengo, Gudmundsson, Benson, Zaroury, Twine, Mellon

[NewClaret]

Maybe, but certainly hasn't cut it in the Premier league.

He’s hardly played in the Premier League.

Out of interest, what’s your expectations of young 20/21 year olds? Do you expect them to make an instant impact at premier league level?

[CrosspoolClarets]

It is an impossible task to predict because the club ask us to buy into these players but don’t interview them much or tell us anything about them, nor do we know who has clauses in contracts or has expressed a desire to leave. So I ain’t the foggiest.

I think though there are some easy decisions with the hard one being goalkeeper (where I expect an upsetting decision, similar the expected by me departure of Berge and Odobert, as well as Brun Larsen, Amdouni and Tresor). I expect to see this line up (first player starter, second reserve).

Trafford / Vigoroux

Sambo/Vitinho O’Shea/Al Dakhil. Esteve/Delcroix. NEW/NEW


Redmond/Benson. Cullen/Massengo. Brownhill/Ramsey. Koleosho/Zaroury


NEW/Gudmundsson. Foster/NEW


I’d love to add Odobert, Berge, Muric and Brun Larson to that but think they won’t be here. On the plus side though, that doesn’t need much adding to it in order for HMS pi$$ the league to set sail again.

[BigChaCha]

I am amazed at the number of people who think we can keep Berge!

[AGENT_CLARET]

Do we think we could sign Bruun Larsen, he's out of contract on the 1st of July and he clearly loves it here

[AGENT_CLARET]

I am amazed at the number of people who think we can keep Berge!

He's on a long contract at Burnley and we paid around 12m so it'd have to be at least double that to buy him so who's going to pay 25+ million for him

[JarrowClaret]

Trafford and Ramsey will deffo be in the starting line up imo, and maybe tresor, all player's that vk is adamant on bringing into the team going forward imo.

I read that Ramsey is out injured until around Christmas so he will not be in our first starting line up however I expect him to be a constant once he returns

[JarrowClaret]

He's good enough to play in any top league in Europe and he's also likely facing a 50 per cent pay cut.

I think his agent will likely be on the phone as we speak... or type.

Why would he take a pay cut? I’d imagine he will be getting more in the Championship than he was in League 1 remember he was only on loan I don’t know how it works I don’t imagine we would have paid him more to come on loan.

[BigChaCha]

He's on a long contract at Burnley and we paid around 12m so it'd have to be at least double that to buy him so who's going to pay 25+ million for him

Where did you get that fantasy football 25+m valuation from?... Did you just double it and add a bit on lol... It does not matter what we would like to get for him in an ideal scenario anyway, he'll be gone, and the player, agent and buyer will hold all the cards with our financial situation! ... There is probably about a 10% chance we keep him.

[IanMcL]

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[AGENT_CLARET]

Where did you get that fantasy football 25+m valuation from?... Did you just double it and add a bit on lol... It does not matter what we would like to get for him in an ideal scenario anyway, he'll be gone, and the player, agent and buyer will hold all the cards with our financial situation! ... There is probably about a 10% chance we keep him.

The buying club holds all the cards, what a stupid statement The selling club holds all the cards on a player with a good few year's left on his contract you'll find

[zippybid]

Didn’t Matt Williams say that esteve would be perm regardless of league if he reaches certain amount of games

I didn't hear him mention number of games. Just the first bit.

[ArmchairDetective]

JBG doesn't seem to feature much in people's plans. Nor much talk of people wanting rid either.

Worth noting that according the club's stats JBG has created the most chances this season despite playing nowhere near as much as others have.

An intelligent player that I also appear to have forgotten about with my selection further up on this thread. Would certainly keep around if possible.

[Foshiznik]

I will be very disappointed if Vitinho is a starter when everyone is fit.

I don't get the Esteve stuff. If his loan becomes permanent we aren't just then going to sell him on immediately unless the offer blows the fee we paid out of the water.

I am looking forward to seeing Tresor tear it up next season too.

[ClaretTony]

We all have our opinions of who will leave and who should go but who do you hope to see start for Burnley in the first game? For me -

Muric

Sambo (or new) beyer esteve NEW

Berge Cullen NEW

Koleosho. Benson

NEW

So you are leaving out our best central defender O’Shea

[Foshiznik]

So you are leaving out our best central defender O’Shea

Do you genuinely think he's better than Esteve or Beyer? I personally don't. He's a solid player but those two are a class above imo.

[ClaretTony]

Do you genuinely think he's better than Esteve or Beyer? I personally don't. He's a solid player but those two are a class above imo.

I think he's head and shoulders better - I think Estève has improved but I think this league found out Beyer and wouldn't surprise me to see him leave to be honest if we can get our money back.

[Bowclaret]

I would also like to see Esteve next to Beyer and would give Oshea a go at right back. And I certainly would keep Taylor for the left back spot.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think he's head and shoulders better - I think Estève has improved but I think this league found out Beyer and wouldn't surprise me to see him leave to be honest if we can get our money back.

I think in beyers brief spell this season it is class as to before last season he was listed as a right back who can play centre back and not a left sided centre back.

For me esteve is vital, to have a 6ft 4 left footed cb who is pretty decent with his feet is hard to come by

[ArmchairDetective]

For me esteve is vital, to have a 6ft 4 left footed cb who is pretty decent with his feet is hard to come by

We seem a far better team when we have a left footed centre back and left back. We play with width and struggle on the left when right footed players naturally have to cut inside. Why I'm surprised Vitinho has played so much this season, but he clearly doesn't fancy Taylor. For us to be at our best we should be playing Esteve and sign a left footed left back like Maatsen that VK actually fancies playing.

[Sleeping Cat]

We will need to sell some players to stem the losses from being in the championship & reduce the bloated wage bill. The following (I think) will all have suitors somewhere and could attract a fee near to what we originally paid for them. Trafford, Berge, Beyer, Odabert & Amdouni.

I expect the following players to be released either because their contracts are ending or their loans have been completed and they aren't likely to sign for a championship team: Assignon, Brun Larson, Fofana, Cork, Jay Rod, Charlie Taylor

Then there are players who have question marks over them as to whether they will be with us. Some we may not think are good enough, others will want to leave to get more regular playing time. Fees for these are probably nominal: Weghort, Bastien, Churlinov, Costelloe, Dodgson, Agyei.

There's uncertainty on the following group of players who were all shipped out this season (and last season in terms of McNally), and I think there's real question marks if these players will want to stay after being cast aside this season: Zaroury, Twine, Obafemi, Roberts, McNally.

I'm going to make an assumption all the above leave for my opening line up, though I know this is unlikely the exact list of departures but knowing any of the above could leave helps plan for the next season better.

Muric

Vitinho - O'Shea - Esteve - Delcroix

Cullen - Brownhill

Benson - Ramsey - Koleosho

Foster


Bench: Vigouroux, CJ ER, Ekdal, AAD, Massegno, Tresor, JBG, Redmond

[gandhisflipflop]

So you are leaving out our best central defender O’Shea

Beyer was class last season so yes I’d rather see him and esteve together. You can only pick 2 centre backs in my formation.

[ClaretTony]

Beyer was class last season so yes I’d rather see him and esteve together. You can only pick 2 centre backs in my formation.

Well O'Shea has more than looked the part in a higher league with Beyer looking anything but the part. Beyond me how anyone should choose to leave out O'Shea.

[Bowclaret]

Doesn’t look like Beyer will be leaving according to his Insta post !

[123EasyasBFC]

Doesn’t look like Beyer will be leaving according to his Insta post !

Cornet and weghorst put similar posts about going again and all that, I wouldn’t ever read into instagram posts

[ElectroClaret]

In all the to-ing and fro-ing about Beyer/Esteve/O'Shea and who is better, let's not forget we need a SQUAD, not just a team.

So hopefully we can keep all three.

[zippybid]

JBG doesn't seem to feature much in people's plans. Nor much talk of people wanting rid either.

Worth noting that according the club's stats JBG has created the most chances this season despite playing nowhere near as much as others have.

An intelligent player that I also appear to have forgotten about with my selection further up on this thread. Would certainly keep around if possible.

I'd certainly be keeping him for the extra year. Starting line-up, no, but as we all know, a solid option for later on in games. I'd also want Taylor here another year too.

[gandhisflipflop]

Well O'Shea has more than looked the part in a higher league with Beyer looking anything but the part. Beyond me how anyone should choose to leave out O'Shea.

I’m not knocking O’Shea, I’d just prefer to see beyer and esteve in the league below.

[leelad]

For me, it's all about building a recognised spine through your team and creating partnerships along the way, centre halves, left back & left winger, centre mid, strikers, right back and right winger. The team has to look balanced and with an identity to it.

I think this is how far I can go at the moment in predicting the line up for the first game.

Muric
NEW
Esteve
O'Shea
NEW
Koleosho
Cullen
NEW
Odobert
Foster
NEW

If we managed to keep Berge, that would be a massive boost to our fortunes but I can't see it.
We need to recruit experienced heads for this squad to be a success in the championship.

[BigGaz]

Averaging 2 goals conceded per game and we're having a Johnson swinging contest over who our best CB is it?

Allow me to assist. They're both no use at this level.

Beyer is quite obviously the better footballer of the 2, with a higher ceiling but is unfortunately made of sawdust and pvc glue.

O'Shea probably slightly better at y'know, doing stuff a CB traditionally should be doing but let's not be letting recent form cloud our judgement - some of the disasterclasses he's served up this season will live long in the memory. we all used to laugh at the likes of hapless donkeys like Titus Bramble or Pascal Cygan in years gone by but he's served up some slapstick that they'd be proud of.

What did we pay for them both? 18 Mill appen? If we could get that back I'd bin them both off.