Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[warksclaret]

I remember AP saying VK is like having the best looking girl in town , knowing one day she will leave you for someone else.

Me I remember when I was young, there were some dam ugly men about, and they always had stunning birds, but never for long

[gandhisflipflop]

I can proudly claim I don't understand football tactics. If what we've had to endure this season is pleasing on the eye football then I fear for the game.

How can you fear for the game if you don’t understand what you’re watching?

[ClaretTony]

What we need if Kompany does go is another hoofball manager. Most Burnley fans would be happy again

Nearest we had to that was Jimmy Mullen

[Jamesy]

Alan Pace has probably been sat on the toilet all morning.
I wouldn’t be that bothered if Kompany left us if everything looked rosy on the playing side, which it currently does not.
However if he does leave, he will be leaving a big problem behind with the squad. A problem he has expensively created and a big headache for any potential new manager.
This Bayern job if it comes to fruition is his get out of jail free card.

[gandhisflipflop]

If he does leave I will be gutted. We could have another fantastic season next season ending in redemption and promotion.

[kentonclaret]

Even if he'd kept us up this season, I doubt him or anyone else in football would have expected Bayern Munich to want him.

Perhaps Bayern have spotted what I have been feeling for a while now. That for Kompany’s style of play to be successful it needs to be implemented by multi million pound players. Something that was never going to happen at Burnley. It worked at a much lower level in the Championship but was a complete disaster in the PL with players not at the required level.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Modern day football can be very exciting when fullbacks get into the box like Andy Robertson and wingers cut inside then score screamers. I don’t think anyone has a problem with VK wanting that, the problem has been the tactical naivety when the other manager does something to nullify us, and when we can’t figure out how to unlock defences which makes it all seem very tappy tappy.

The other problem was this playing out from the back, we obviously WANT the other teams to press us so they abandon midfield, but the issue again has been not adapting when the other team have us where they want us.

So I feel Kompany should learn as regards all that, but it is way, way too soon for a club like Munich. In truth it is way to soon for a club like BHA too. They will fail if they appoint 38 year old Vincent, much as I want him to stay here and learn his trade.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Managers will be rubbing their hands looking at our squad going down to the Championship. A young squad with lots of potential, players that can be sold and have money incoming for a couple of their own signings to add what they feel we need.

I am Kompany In and have been resigned to us being relegated since November. But something isn't right at the club at the moment and I wouldn't be too bothered if he left.

No matter what anyone tells me I would rather have this squad after relegation than the one we were left with last time.

[Devils_Advocate]

Loads of people talking about the mess we are in and problems but I think football wise we are in a far better position than we were two years ago.

When we came down last time we were an aging team about to lose pretty much all our best players and for a lot of people on here hopes weren't high that we would be challenging for promotion.

If Kompany stays then even if we lose a few players we should easily in the top 6 and very likely to get automatic promotion again with the squad we have.

[quoonbeatz]

Because of the loyalty the club has shown and the fact he’s leaving the club in a mess that he has made?

If he wasn't being linked with a club on the level of Bayern Munich you might have a semblance of a point.

[Jamesy]

Perhaps Bayern have spotted what I have been feeling for a while now. That for Kompany’s style of play to be successful it needs to be implemented by multi million pound players. Something that was never going to happen at Burnley. It worked at a much lower level in the Championship but was a complete disaster in the PL with players not at the required level.

Surely that shows then that the bloke isn’t ready as a coach? Good coaches adapt their playing styles to suit situations.
Kompany recruited these players who were not at the required level. If as we kept believing they are players of “potential” and a 100 million pound player amongst them, he needs to stay and nurture this talent. Not simply bugger off and leave a massive headache behind.

[warksclaret]

If he is going, and there seems some truths in the link, if you look at the betting odds and media coverage, then we should have potted him in December.Any other club would hav in our situation. A new manager may not have kept us up, but maybe cut out the mistakes we were making and at least got to know the players he had. VK's ego is too big for a club like Burnley. No way has he got the stomach for a gruelling 46 match campaign in the Championship, particularly now a club like BM have shown interest in him. Its not an ideal scenario owing to the way he has taken such control behind the scenes, but for me the sooner the better. There are better long term managers around than our dealer old Vinnie

People keep saying I hope Vinnie has learned from his mistakes, I am hoping AP is a lot wiser as to who would be more suited to our club. If we have a long term project, you need a long term manager without a big ego

[GetIntoEm]

If he is going, and there seems some truths in the link, if you look at the betting odds and media coverage, then we should have potted him in December.Any other club would hav in our situation. A new manager may not have kept us up, but maybe cut out the mistakes we were making and at least got to know the players he had. VK's ego is too big for a club like Burnley. No way has he got the stomach for a gruelling 46 match campaign in the Championship, particularly now a club like BM have shown interest in him. Its not an ideal scenario owing to the way he has taken such control behind the scenes, but for me the sooner the better. There are better long term managers around than our dealer old Vinnie

People keep saying I hope Vinnie has learned from his mistakes, I am hoping AP is a lot wiser as to who would be more suited to our club. If we have a long term project, you need a long term manager without a big ego

how would we have known in december that they wanted him in may?

[TsarBomba]

I’m trying to work out who else is on this ‘list’ for Bayern, and the only two names I can make out that haven’t turned them down already is Hansi Flick and Thomas Frank.

As has been said, there is a lot of hyperbole on this thread, but the sources are as impeccable as they come, and the fact VK is so far ahead in the betting makes it more than just being on a ‘list’.

[CoolClaret]

I posted on here last year that having so much of the footballing operation tied up in one man was a bad and a naive idea - of course the 'club can do no wrong' types didn't agree but this is a reason as to why.

Properly random squad now that more or less all signed for VK who could be off, our recruitment team is part owned by VK, leaned out/no scouting department - just data analytics etc

Once again, the board showing their naivety and inexperience which is why I have been clamouring for more experienced 'football men' to be involved in the football operation. Not VK yes men, and certainly not finance bros. Football men that have been there, seen it all and got the t-shirt.

This could quite easily go belly up if we aren't careful.

Echo the sentiments of others about the noise surrounding VK and if he has his agent constantly putting his name out there - who knows but it makes you think...

I also recall an opinion piece that Richard Keys did early in the season and normally, I think Keys is a tosser but was he correct here?

https://richardajkeys.com/index.php/blo ... d-v-united

"Vincent Kompany is taking liberties. I’m afraid it looks as though managing Burnley is a vanity project for him. He said afterwards ‘any team that is associated with my name will always play good football’. Wrong Vinny. You’ve got that totally wrong. It’s the other way round - right now your name is associated with Burnley - a fantastic old club that down the years has always known what it is.

Sean Dyche understood that. He bought into the club and the town. You knew he was committed. He was ‘Burnley’ when he was at Turf Moor. Kompany gives me the impression that he’s just passing through and he’s prepared to sacrifice the club and its fans, who work damned hard for the 90 minutes of distraction in enormously trying circumstances, to raise his reputation and wait for the right one - almost certainly City in his mind."

Looks like he could be spot on...

[dsr]

People keep saying I hope Vinnie has learned from his mistakes, I am hoping AP is a lot wiser as to who would be more suited to our club. If we have a long term project, you need a long term manager without a big ego

Is there a successful manager in the history of the game, who would turn down Bayern Munich to stay in the Championship?

[Newcastleclaret93]

You wanted him sacked not so long ago. Do you not want that now? You were even reeling off replacements.

If we sack him it costs a lot of money. If he's poached by somebody, we get a lot of money.

I wanted him sacked after ten games this season. To sack him now would be completely ludicrous he’s made this mess he’s got to fix it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He's full of inconsistencies and always has been. Nowhere to be seen though when we hit a good spell. He was the same when Dyche was here.

What shite are you spouting now.

I’ve been here through the whole thing this season. Are we really calling a spell where we got 1 win against 11 men a good spell

[warksclaret]

how would we have known in december that they wanted him in may?

Not many, but many of us, having played every team once by December, knew that bar a miracle we were going straight back down

[warksclaret]

Is there a successful manager in the history of the game, who would turn down Bayern Munich to stay in the Championship?

Fully agree but I think if you are including VK in the "successful" camp you are being kind.24 points and 30 points lost from a winning position ??

I think this is perfect for him, but for me its doesn't even need to be a Bayern to attract him away from our club.

[Big Vinny K]

Wow….Richard Keys - the font of all knowledge.
He knows zero about football and zero about Burnley. A “fantastic old club that down the years has always known what it is” What does that even mean ? Our style of play ? Our ownership model ? The way we treat our fans ? It’s just utter nonsense.

Keys needs to spend more time shaving his hands and less time spouting sh-ite.

If VK does leave to go to Bayern Munich then I will be disappointed but it’s completely understandable and I doubt there are few managers in the world who given this opportunity would turn it down.

It does not mean that he has been pulling the wool over eyes or lying to us - it’s just the way football is. Dyche always said that he was never going to be at Burnley forever and made the point several times about how a number of fans questioned him in his first year at Burnley.

Given the way many people on this board have spoken about VK this season you would think they would be dancing in the streets about him leaving.

The biggest concern is of course the upheaval this causes for us at a time when because of our financial situation we need to go back up next year. It’s hard enough finding a new manager as it but I think with the type of players VK has bought it makes it even more difficult to find the right manager who will offer some kind of continuity in style of play etc.

[Rick_Muller]

Not many, but many of us, having played every team once by December, knew that bar a miracle we were going straight back down

Sorry but we went into the last 2 games this season with a chance of staying up, granted a slim chance but a chance none the less. That isn't miracle level achievements, but down to VK realising that he needed to change things albeit too late for a real chance. We were clearly not down in December like some keep trying to rattle out - no team is relegated in December.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Whatever is happening here it needs to be done quickly for the good of our club. The playing staff needs addressing quickly with the squad being heavily bloated and whilst we have uncertainty in who will be managing the squad, we won’t know who the man in charge will want to retain .

Move quickly either way please.

[BigGaz]

Tricky one for young Vinny, this.

On one hand, he may feel (and really ought to, let's be honest) that he owes us something after a season where we could have reasonably sacked him 5 times over, and especially since we've effectively given him carte blanche to do what he wanted. There's absolutely no argument that he's not been backed to the hilt. This is 100% his squad, his mess, and the professional aspect of his nature might cause him to reflect that it reflects poorly on him if this is how he chooses to leave.

On the other hand, if he resolves to try to stick it out and then he fails badly, the likes of Bayern Munich will likely never come knocking at his door again.

If I were him based on that I'd leave if the Bayern role is available. You always seem to see football managers fail forward and it seems impossible that Bayern wouldn't eventually win something under his stewardship. Which would then give him the top level experience and credentials to fettle himself up for the job we all know he really wants.

[warksclaret]

Sorry but we went into the last 2 games this season with a chance of staying up, granted a slim chance but a chance none the less. That isn't miracle level achievements, but down to VK realising that he needed to change things albeit too late for a real chance. We were clearly not down in December like some keep trying to rattle out - no team is relegated in December.

And how many clubs with our points total at the end of December have stayed up in the history of the PL-I believe only WBA

[IanMcL]

Well no. There was a realm of talent being signed from across Europe in every transfer window. We've had a current Bundesliga winner and Champion League finalist play for us in the last 2 years. It was less successful as a strategy this season and pretty naive but we've still got a heap of young talented players.
It might actually be good for some of then to play for a more orthodox manager who coaches the traditional basics a bit better. For example I imagine Esteve would absolutely thrive under a Moyes/Dyche type.

Ths problem with that is how to keep the energy up within the fan base and players.

Both of those you quote were loan players, who returned, initially, to their parent club.

[Cirrus_Minor]

This is all bonkers. A natural progression for a manager to go from Burnley to Bayern Munich is 'unusual' and is absolutely surreal after the season we have just completed. When I first saw this I thought it ranked alongside someone saying they spotted Ole Gunnar Solskjær at Gawthorpe

[Rick_Muller]

someone saying they spotted Ole Gunnar Solskjær at Gawthorpe

he was... dont go dispelling the legend that is OGS

[BigGaz]

Another aspect that bothers me about all this is where his head is going to be at if he's had a sniff of some roles like Bayern and to a lesser extent Brighton etc al and then been knocked back

Is his head gonna be in the game, motivated for the fight

[fidelcastro]

So like within a week after the victory parade you started doubting him as a manager? Can you PM me the next lotto numbers please?

Pedantry at its finest.

Maybe not quite a year, but the summer transfer window and the first few matches started the alarm bells in my head.

[Culmclaret]

Exciting times for Bayern fans….

[Cleveleys_claret]

Big Kompany fan although recognise massive mistakes been made this year because of his ego.

His ego which I think was massively bruised when according to JJ Watt, himself and Alan Pace sat down with Kompany and told him that he needed to change the way we played a little. This won't have gone down well with Kompany that 2 none football men could see what Burnley fans had seen for the first half of the season. Personally think this was the beginning of the end of the love affair

[warksclaret]

Big Kompany fan although recognise massive mistakes been made this year because of his ego.

His ego which I think was massively bruised when according to JJ Watt, himself and Alan Pace sat down with Kompany and told him that he needed to change the way we played a little. This won't have gone down well with Kompany that 2 none football men could see what Burnley fans had seen for the first half of the season. Personally think this was the beginning of the end of the love affair

I am pleased that someone else feels he has an ego. I sense you may be spot on with your analysis and perception

[Claretnick]

Big Kompany fan although recognise massive mistakes been made this year because of his ego.

His ego which I think was massively bruised when according to JJ Watt, himself and Alan Pace sat down with Kompany and told him that he needed to change the way we played a little. This won't have gone down well with Kompany that 2 none football men could see what Burnley fans had seen for the first half of the season. Personally think this was the beginning of the end of the love affair

Hmm I did wonder if JJ's presence at a training session, that was shown on the club's media, wasn't really welcomed by the manager.
All seems strange when you read VK's words at the weekend about an exciting future for next season.
Time will tell but get a feeling this summer could be fun...

[Casper2]

Wow….Richard Keys - the font of all knowledge.
He knows zero about football and zero about Burnley. A “fantastic old club that down the years has always known what it is” What does that even mean ? Our style of play ? Our ownership model ? The way we treat our fans ? It’s just utter nonsense.

Keys needs to spend more time shaving his hands and less time spouting sh-ite.

If VK does leave to go to Bayern Munich then I will be disappointed but it’s completely understandable and I doubt there are few managers in the world who given this opportunity would turn it down.

It does not mean that he has been pulling the wool over eyes or lying to us - it’s just the way football is. Dyche always said that he was never going to be at Burnley forever and made the point several times about how a number of fans questioned him in his first year at Burnley.

Given the way many people on this board have spoken about VK this season you would think they would be dancing in the streets about him leaving.

The biggest concern is of course the upheaval this causes for us at a time when because of our financial situation we need to go back up next year. It’s hard enough finding a new manager as it but I think with the type of players VK has bought it makes it even more difficult to find the right manager who will offer some kind of continuity in style of play etc.

He knows more about football than the likes of you

[GetIntoEm]

lets face it, if he gets offered the job he's 100% taking it.

[Big Vinny K]

He knows more about football than the likes of you

Is he your hero ?

[fidelcastro]

Is he your hero ?

Perhaps he admires his attitude to women?

[CoolClaret]

Wow….Richard Keys - the font of all knowledge.
He knows zero about football and zero about Burnley. A “fantastic old club that down the years has always known what it is” What does that even mean ? Our style of play ? Our ownership model ? The way we treat our fans ? It’s just utter nonsense.

Keys needs to spend more time shaving his hands and less time spouting sh-ite.

Yeah even a broken clock is correct twice a day, right?

I'm just saying that if he was to leave then we are fair left in the lurch which would point to Keys' observations (unfortunately) being true.

[Casper2]

Is he your hero ?

No , don’t like the bloke , but he’s made a good living talking about football.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Tricky one for young Vinny, this.

On one hand, he may feel (and really ought to, let's be honest) that he owes us something after a season where we could have reasonably sacked him 5 times over, and especially since we've effectively given him carte blanche to do what he wanted. There's absolutely no argument that he's not been backed to the hilt. This is 100% his squad, his mess, and the professional aspect of his nature might cause him to reflect that it reflects poorly on him if this is how he chooses to leave.

On the other hand, if he resolves to try to stick it out and then he fails badly, the likes of Bayern Munich will likely never come knocking at his door again.

If I were him based on that I'd leave if the Bayern role is available. You always seem to see football managers fail forward and it seems impossible that Bayern wouldn't eventually win something under his stewardship. Which would then give him the top level experience and credentials to fettle himself up for the job we all know he really wants.

Agree up to the “eventually win something” bit.

Leverkusen haven’t lost in over a year, are keeping their manager, and have no pressure on them. Bayern are a different animal, the pressure and expectation is 10x what Alonso faces, if Kompany doesn’t have them top by November the fans, owners and media will all be wanting him gone, not to mention the players. Could be a way for him to mess up a future career path because who would take him after that? They need a Klopp level name, somebody proven at the top, like Pep was when he went there. Arteta could be a good shout. That’s the minimum level Bayern should be aiming at.

I guess what I’m saying is like when Moyes went to Man Utd and was suddenly in a bear pit due to expectation and intolerance.

[Big Vinny K]

Yeah even a broken clock is correct twice a day, right?

I'm just saying that if he was to leave then we are fair left in the lurch which would point to Keys' observations (unfortunately) being true.

But any numpty could work that one out - it’s hardly perceptive insight from the hairy one is it ?
Look at our promotion season when people were talking about VK as the potential next City manager. We took that as a compliment then.

If we had have done well in the EPL this season or even just stayed up then I think there would be even more chance of VK leaving than there is now as there will always be bigger and richer clubs than Burnley looking for a new manager. As much as we love to think that there is no reason why any manager would want to leave our club the reality is there is several million reasons. Dyche being at the helm for so many years is the exception not the norm. If VK leaves this season that’s probably the average tenure for managers in the EPL.

As said in my post it does leave us in a mess but what can you do when one of the biggest clubs in the world approach your manager ? It’s completely unpredictable and impossible to plan for.

[quoonbeatz]

Richard Keys is a complete bell.

[Swizzlestick]

Agree up to the “eventually win something” bit.

Leverkusen haven’t lost in over a year, are keeping their manager, and have no pressure on them. Bayern are a different animal, the pressure and expectation is 10x what Alonso faces, if Kompany doesn’t have them top by November the fans, owners and media will all be wanting him gone, not to mention the players. Could be a way for him to mess up a future career path because who would take him after that? They need a Klopp level name, somebody proven at the top, like Pep was when he went there. Arteta could be a good shout. That’s the minimum level Bayern should be aiming at.

I guess what I’m saying is like when Moyes went to Man Utd and was suddenly in a bear pit due to expectation and intolerance.

They did that with Tuchel but he's failed. There's not a great pool of elite managers to choose from. Arteta has only won one trophy despite spending a fortune. I guess Klopp is available but considering how shattered he's looked for about a year, I highly doubt he's going to take it.

[Goliath]

I really doubt the idea that JJ Watt told Vincent Kompany how his team should play football.

[Jamesy]

Richard Keys is a complete bell.

Why? Because he said something about our manager that has hit a nerve with some?
Or because him and Andy Gray were less than complimentary about a female match official?

[bobinho]

Modern day football can be very exciting when fullbacks get into the box like Andy Robertson and wingers cut inside then score screamers. I don’t think anyone has a problem with VK wanting that, the problem has been the tactical naivety when the other manager does something to nullify us, and when we can’t figure out how to unlock defences which makes it all seem very tappy tappy.

The other problem was this playing out from the back, we obviously WANT the other teams to press us so they abandon midfield, but the issue again has been not adapting when the other team have us where they want us.

So I feel Kompany should learn as regards all that, but it is way, way too soon for a club like Munich. In truth it is way to soon for a club like BHA too. They will fail if they appoint 38 year old Vincent, much as I want him to stay here and learn his trade.

The concern for me about the “learn his trade” aspect is that he shouldn’t need to learn anything about trying to get inferior players to play “citeh” football. He should’ve known that playing the way he wanted clearly wasn’t possible at this level - and if he wasn’t at the start, he should’ve known half way through the season.
The rebuild required if he goes now is going to be too much for us I feel.

[quoonbeatz]

Why? Because he said something about our manager that has hit a nerve with some?
Or because him and Andy Gray were less than complimentary about a female match official?

You'd have to ask him why, he's the bell.

[CoolClaret]

But any numpty could work that one out - it’s hardly perceptive insight from the hairy one is it ?
Look at our promotion season when people were talking about VK as the potential next City manager. We took that as a compliment then.

If we had have done well in the EPL this season or even just stayed up then I think there would be even more chance of VK leaving than there is now as there will always be bigger and richer clubs than Burnley looking for a new manager. As much as we love to think that there is no reason why any manager would want to leave our club the reality is there is several million reasons. Dyche being at the helm for so many years is the exception not the norm. If VK leaves this season that’s probably the average tenure for managers in the EPL.

As said in my post it does leave us in a mess but what can you do when one of the biggest clubs in the world approach your manager ? It’s completely unpredictable and impossible to plan for.

I don't disagree with what you're saying.

As for your last point - completely agree, which is why the club should have more contingency and not have so much of the footballing operation tied up in one man.

I fully understand the game is different now and managers don't tend to stay at clubs as long as Dyche did here, except maybe in the lower leagues but I'd still like us to be that exception.

Two years isn't anywhere near enough to have a manager to implement their highly individualised stamp on a team/footballing operation to then leave.
If that is the way our managerial appointments are going to go then we need a different setup, that is independent from the manager and so allows better continuity if our future manager(s) do leave after short periods at the club.

[Swizzlestick]

Keys has had it in for us since we sacked Dyche, who he's pally with. He was part of the coterie saying we'd spiral through the leagues after relegation.

I imagine him having an affair with his daughter's best friend while his wife was going through cancer treatment supports the 'bell' theory.