Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[Cooclaret]

He has to go now.....he's shown his true colours & i think he's a disgrace.
AP must be fuming & rightly so.....he's made a complete fool out of him.

I've always liked Cooper....think he'd be a good choice.

Welcome to the ‘We saw this a long time ago and got battered by the rest’ club…

The guys EGO was always firmly honed to promote brand Kompany. He didn’t give a flying whatsit for BFC.

I am very happy he’s going out with his true colours nailed to the mast.

Thats Trafford and Kompany I’ve been right about…

[NewClaret]

That was on the club website last week

That’s not a restocking for the new kit in the worlds most record time, is it?

[boyyanno]

Genuine question here. Would pep Guardiola have kept us up last season?

Possibly.

If you asked me if Pep would have kept Dyches team up then the answer would be no. But this side has some players that can play in Peps style and he is an exceptional manager, he's also more dynamic than Kompany.

But then again I think Kompany could have kept this squad up had he chosen the right personal and been a bit more pragmatic.

[Darthlaw]

Genuine question here. Would pep Guardiola have kept us up last season?

Maybe if we gave him a few billion?

[gandhisflipflop]

Possibly.

If you asked me if Pep would have kept Dyches team up then the answer would be no. But this side has some players that can play in Peps style and he is an exceptional manager, he's also more dynamic than Kompany.

But then again I think Kompany could have kept this squad up had he chosen the right personal and been a bit more pragmatic.

But had he had been in charge of us and we bombed out the league, would he be a bad manager?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Genuine question here. Would pep Guardiola have kept us up last season?

Do you really think one of the best managers in the history of the game wouldn’t have kept us up?

[CoolClaret]

Tell you what if it does happen, football is truly bonkers.

You get Dyche that never gets his name mentioned really that's just achieved 48 points with Everton, who are an utter basket case after losing key players like Richarlison and Gordon, kept us up for 7 seasons etc etc yet you get Kompany who had one great season, and one very expensive sh1te season amassing a grand total of 24 points being lined up for the Bayern job because he 'plays football the right way', whatever that means.

There's a lot of football we play that I like, but lets not kid ourselves, around Novemberish time the football was absolutely sh1te. Boring, aimless, low intensity passing between the CBs and GK before ultimately turning the ball over and conceeding. That isn't 'sexy football', that's sh1te football at it's very worse.

We live in a mad world - PR/image and perceptions rule the roost these days. Absolutely no chance in hell something like this would've happened 20 years ago.

The club now has to absolutely get a footballing operation that is independent of the manager - we cannot go through this every season/other season - it is far too disruptive and leaves us right up shits creak.

I worried about a situation like this either having to sack (never wanted to do that) or if the manager left; we have so much of the footballing operation tied up with him - where do we go from here?

Strange one.. the board desperately need more football men working behind the scenes. Not estate agents, not MBAs, not finance bros, proper footballing men.

[jedi_master]

I don’t blame Vinny for taking a job like this - i do take umbrage with his quotes, his post game huddle against Forest (“Next season, we are celebrating on this pitch”) and so on, but clearly this opportunity has come from nowhere. My cynical, though never to be proven, opinion is that he was going to any club which would take him. This is based on the sheer volume of links to various roles since the season ended, and we had the same last summer. He has an agency and media contacts working overtime to get him out of Burnley and for that reason, time to go. I wish him the best at such a huge club - but the reality is I care about my club, not Vincent Kompany. I think people can, and possibly should, be mad at the manner of his departure but they also cannot deny anyone a job at Bayern Munich.

My biggest hope from this is that Alan Pace shows a bit of intelligence, leadership and strength with his next appointment. He cosied up to Dyche, gave him a 5 year deal (after near enough proclaiming him unsackable in his sound bites) and then got rid. He hires Kompany, refers to him as the ‘prettiest girl in the world’, gives him carte Blanche over the clubs entire footballing strategy/scouting network/recruitment and a five year contract, drops embarrassing memes/comments on Twitter as if Kompany was going nowhere, and now…this.

Whoever comes next needs a shorter contract and to be under no illusions who the boss is. It’s time that Burnley Football Club came first.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Genuine question here. Would pep Guardiola have kept us up last season?

I reckon Pep could have got 3 more points + beat Forest on the last day.

[boyyanno]

But had he had been in charge of us and we bombed out the league, would he be a bad manager?

Not necessarily. As I've said before the perfect example is that I don't think he'd have kept Dyches team up. Does that mean he's a worse manager than Dyche? No it doesn't. He's obviously a better manager than Dyche, he's arguably the best manager ever. What it does show though is that some people are better suited to some jobs over others- It's why the manager merry-go-round has the same faces on it.

I've never said Kompany is a "bad" manager. There is a difference between bad and failure. It's somthing not many grasp on here but it's important. I have made it clear I think Kompany will be a good manager for a team that's a market leader in It's division- he gave me evidence of it last year. But he's given me the same evidence this year that he doesn't have it for a weak team in It's respective division. I don't know how to be fairer?

[Jakubclaret]

Do you really think one of the best managers in the history of the game wouldn’t have kept us up?

Not with the platform kompany created a different better manager would have set their stall up far differently with recruiting the right sort of people & going with different tactics. It was possible last season with somebody else in charge other than Vincent to stop up he failed.

[NewClaret]

The season review interview with VK has been removed from the club app. It was there a few hours ago..

Still there for me

[gandhisflipflop]

Do you really think one of the best managers in the history of the game wouldn’t have kept us up?

It’s no wackier a suggestion than people thinking VK is a bad manager for a bad season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s no wackier a suggestion than people thinking VK is a bad manager for a bad season.

Off course it is, you are literally comparing VK to one of the best managers in history.

It’s the same as saying do you think Ferguson would have done as bad as Rooney this season with Birmingham.

Its just nonsense

[gandhisflipflop]

Not with the platform kompany created a different better manager would have set their stall up far differently with recruiting the right sort of people & going with different tactics. It was possible last season with somebody else in charge other than Vincent to stop up he failed.

I don’t believe pep would play with different tactics. I’m just saying it because people have lost all sense of perspective

[boyyanno]

It’s no wackier a suggestion than people thinking VK is a bad manager for a bad season.

Firstly I didn't say he was a bad manager. You've made that up and completely ignored what I wrote.

Secondly by the same token having one good season does not make him a good manager so you look a bit of a fool.

[gandhisflipflop]

Off course it is, you are literally comparing VK to one of the best managers in history.

It’s the same as saying do you think Ferguson would have done as bad as Rooney this season with Birmingham.

Its just nonsense

No, it really isn’t. As I said, perspective is needed. VK did a poor job last season, that I don’t dispute if you think Guardiola could have kept the squad up playing similar tactics, then I seriously doubt it and he would be made to look a far worse manager than he actually is. VK will be at a club where he can dominate the league again next season, and then this season is forgotten all of a sudden and he is great again.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t blame Vinny for taking a job like this - i do take umbrage with his quotes, his post game huddle against Forest (“Next season, we are celebrating on this pitch”) and so on, but clearly this opportunity has come from nowhere. My cynical, though never to be proven, opinion is that he was going to any club which would take him. This is based on the sheer volume of links to various roles since the season ended, and we had the same last summer. He has an agency and media contacts working overtime to get him out of Burnley and for that reason, time to go. I wish him the best at such a huge club - but the reality is I care about my club, not Vincent Kompany. I think people can, and possibly should, be mad at the manner of his departure but they also cannot deny anyone a job at Bayern Munich.

My biggest hope from this is that Alan Pace shows a bit of intelligence, leadership and strength with his next appointment. He cosied up to Dyche, gave him a 5 year deal (after near enough proclaiming him unsackable in his sound bites) and then got rid. He hires Kompany, refers to him as the ‘prettiest girl in the world’, gives him carte Blanche over the clubs entire footballing strategy/scouting network/recruitment and a five year contract, drops embarrassing memes/comments on Twitter as if Kompany was going nowhere, and now…this.

Whoever comes next needs a shorter contract and to be under no illusions who the boss is. It’s time that Burnley Football Club came first.

Absolutely spot on.

[lakedistrictclaret]

Firstly I didn't say he was a bad manager. You've made that up and completely ignored what I wrote.

Secondly by the same token having one good season does not make him a good manager so you look a bit of a fool.

Quite, boyyanno.
Owen Coyle had one good season, but he was a crap manager.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t believe pep would play with different tactics. I’m just saying it because people have lost all sense of perspective

I don't think overall he's a bad manager I think he's an excellent championship manager & a lousy PL manager. I'm hoping that he goes to bayern the club needs a fresh change fresh ideas & somebody different. I think deep down lot's of the fanbase want him gone this is a win win for the club they don't have to sack him if he gets off to a bad start next season & the pressure would have been there & the club receives compensation it's a bloody good result. Get somebody sensible down to earth in similar to SD.

[GetIntoEm]

Absolute scenes if he decides to stay now!

[Culmclaret]

By any measure Kompany was bobbins in the PL. He didn’t so much lose the plot as fail to find it in the first place. If he does go to Munich then it’s official: the lunatics have taken over the asylum

[PremierLeagueClass]

Absolute scenes if he decides to stay now!

I would be questioning his sanity that’s for sure…

[gandhisflipflop]

Firstly I didn't say he was a bad manager. You've made that up and completely ignored what I wrote.

Secondly by the same token having one good season does not make him a good manager so you look a bit of a fool.

Firstly I didn’t say you thought that I said people think that which they evidently do because a lot wanted him sacked.

Secondly, no it doesn’t, you’re right but how quickly that one good season gets forgotten about.

[jedi_master]

Absolute scenes if he decides to stay now!

Never wanted him gone, stood by him all through last season in the face of what I was actually witnessing before me and truly believe he would bring us straight back - but - do you not reckon it’s almost at an untenable point now due to lack of comms from the club etc? Would be very interesting if it falls through for any reason and he doesn’t have any of his fallback options open to him…No comment from the club might allow it to be sweeped aside I suppose.

[distortiondave]

In the wider world of football, getting relegated with a town team whilst trying to play the 'right way' is better for your CV than keeping that same town team in the top flight for 6 years by playing the 'wrong way', because you can take the 'right way' manager and put him in a team of better players and his message will be better understood and enacted, but the 'wrong way' manager will try and get better players to play the 'wrong way'.

I think that's the logic, anyway.

[Claretnick]

Still there for me

It was the written piece, I didn't see the youtube link further down. Maybe removed to avoid duplication...

[jedi_master]

In the wider world of football, getting relegated with a town team whilst trying to play the 'right way' is better for your CV than keeping that same town team in the top flight for 6 years by playing the 'wrong way', because you can take the 'right way' manager and put him in a team of better players and his message will be better understood and enacted, but the 'wrong way' manager will try and get better players to play the 'wrong way'.

I think that's the logic, anyway.

I can see the thought there really.

[Ric_C]

Worth noting that VK lasted two seasons at Anderlecht before things started going sour and he left "by mutual consent" to join us.

Maybe his overall style can only keep players on board for a certain length of time? There's certainly quite a few disgruntled ones in our squad now, and I think there were at Anderlecht when he left if I remember correctly.

Anderlecht - 95 games - left
Burnley - 96 games - leaving?

[CoolClaret]

In the wider world of football, getting relegated with a town team whilst trying to play the 'right way' is better for your CV than keeping that same town team in the top flight for 6 years by playing the 'wrong way', because you can take the 'right way' manager and put him in a team of better players and his message will be better understood and enacted, but the 'wrong way' manager will try and get better players to play the 'wrong way'.

I think that's the logic, anyway.

I think that logic is utterly bonkers - it's not like we were creating loads either. The underlying numbers are grim.

[TheFamilyCat]

He has to go now.....he's shown his true colours & i think he's a disgrace.
AP must be fuming & rightly so.....he's made a complete fool out of him.

I've always liked Cooper....think he'd be a good choice.

I've been busy all day but seen the board. I've done a search and found a tweet that talks are supposedly ongoing. Is there something else to prompt "true colours" and "disgrace"?

Not having a pop, genuine question trying to catch up on what I've missed (without scrolling through 600+ posts).

[boatshed bill]

I think that logic is utterly bonkers - it's not like we were creating loads either. The underlying numbers are grim.

We created plenty of chances. Couldn't take them.

[CoolClaret]

We created plenty of chances. Couldn't take them.

We really didn't Bill. We didn't create much and we didn't take them.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We created plenty of chances. Couldn't take them.

We came 19th this season in big chances created.

We created 45 big chances this season.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... ted?se=578

[Nonayforever]

Bayern coming in for Kompany has taken a lot of fans by surprise, but in hindsight it makes sense.

Dyche was successful results wise and fans got worried every time a job came up, but he never got lured away in all his years at Burnley. That was because of his style of football.
Vinny comes along , young, ambitious & speaks a handful of languages plus he knows how to play attractive football .
He's certainly made mistakes but still knows how to play football.
I can't blame him for going & wish him well. He was always going to go at some point, there was only a project in Paces eyes.
At least we have plenty of time to get our ship in order.

[Quicknick]

Bayern coming in for Kompany has taken a lot of fans by surprise, but in hindsight it makes sense.

Dyche was successful results wise and fans got worried every time a job came up, but he never got lured away in all his years at Burnley. That was because of his style of football.
Vinny comes along , young, ambitious & speaks a handful of languages plus he knows how to play attractive football .
He's certainly made mistakes but still knows how to play football.
I can't blame him for going & wish him well. He was always going to go at some point, there was only a project in Paces eyes.
At least we have plenty of time to get our ship in order.

Attractive football? Not the rubbish of this season.

[BurnleyFC]

The writing was on the wall for Vinny when we went with Castore as kit supplier.

I blame them.

[Pickles]

Bayern coming in for Kompany has taken a lot of fans by surprise, but in hindsight it makes sense.

Dyche was successful results wise and fans got worried every time a job came up, but he never got lured away in all his years at Burnley. That was because of his style of football.
Vinny comes along , young, ambitious & speaks a handful of languages plus he knows how to play attractive football .
He's certainly made mistakes but still knows how to play football.
I can't blame him for going & wish him well. He was always going to go at some point, there was only a project in Paces eyes.
At least we have plenty of time to get our ship in order.

Stop it, you're not allowed to be balanced on here...

[jojomk1]

My biggest hope from this is that Alan Pace shows a bit of intelligence, leadership and strength with his next appointment. He cosied up to Dyche, gave him a 5 year deal (after near enough proclaiming him unsackable in his sound bites) and then got rid. He hires Kompany, refers to him as the ‘prettiest girl in the world’, gives him carte Blanche over the clubs entire footballing strategy/scouting network/recruitment and a five year contract, drops embarrassing memes/comments on Twitter as if Kompany was going nowhere, and now…this.

Whoever comes next needs a shorter contract and to be under no illusions who the boss is. It’s time that Burnley Football Club came first.

And all the above just goes to show Pace and his minions, like many other Americans, doesn't understand how to run a football club

Whatever happens now I just can't see VK remaining at BFC even if Bayern come to their senses

But who knows what Alan thinks

[Devils_Advocate]

Wow, just seen it on Twitter!! So thats him gone then and brings on a chaotic start to the summer

[Winstonswhite]

Out of interest does anyone know how Bayern Munich fans feel about all this?!

[CoolClaret]

Bayern coming in for Kompany has taken a lot of fans by surprise, but in hindsight it makes sense.

Dyche was successful results wise and fans got worried every time a job came up, but he never got lured away in all his years at Burnley. That was because of his style of football.
Vinny comes along , young, ambitious & speaks a handful of languages plus he knows how to play attractive football .
He's certainly made mistakes but still knows how to play football.
I can't blame him for going & wish him well. He was always going to go at some point, there was only a project in Paces eyes.
At least we have plenty of time to get our ship in order.

I just find this mad.

You get results and you don't get considered for a top job.

Get battered every week and you do... F**k me has Pep Guardiola properly ruined footy.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I just find this mad.

You get results and you don't get considered for a top job.

Get battered every week and you do... F**k me has Pep Guardiola properly ruined footy.

I love how our fan base thinks we played good football this season as well.

Worst football I’ve ever seen us play was this season.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I would. Pace wouldn’t, nor would Dyche.

Thank god

[kentonclaret]

Never wanted him gone, stood by him all through last season in the face of what I was actually witnessing before me and truly believe he would bring us straight back - but - do you not reckon it’s almost at an untenable point now due to lack of comms from the club etc? Would be very interesting if it falls through for any reason and he doesn’t have any of his fallback options open to him…No comment from the club might allow it to be sweeped aside I suppose.

From the very outset I never believed that Kompany would manage us for another season in the Championship. As far as the Championship goes Kompany can say been there, done that and got the T-Shirt (with Champions scrawled across it). Winning the Championship next season will not be a given, even with Kompany at the helm. If he failed to find another Tella, Maatsen and Benson he could fail to repeat the recipe. He would then be labelled a one trick pony who got lucky first time around following on from a disastrous PL campaign. If he won the Championship again he would merely be confirming that he was a good manager at that level. I am sure that Kompany and his advisors have spotted the pitfalls in another Championship campaign.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Off course it is, you are literally comparing VK to one of the best managers in history.

It’s the same as saying do you think Ferguson would have done as bad as Rooney this season with Birmingham.

Its just nonsense

You'd start an argument in an empty room you

[CoolClaret]

I love how our fan base thinks we played good football this season as well.

Worst football I’ve ever seen us play was this season.

There was patches that was alright.

Some of the stuff was beyond turgid though. October/November was horrific, some of the worst stuff I've seen. No intensity, no risk, just bland and boring.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I love how our fan base thinks we played good football this season as well.

Worst football I’ve ever seen us play was this season.

It really wasn't

[gandhisflipflop]

F**k me has Pep Guardiola properly ruined footy.

That I do agree with.

[boatshed bill]

We came 19th this season in big chances created.

We created 45 big chances this season.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... ted?se=578

I've never understood what a big chance really means, but I've seen us recently miss enough gilt-edged chances to have got us safe.