Your top 10 for the next manager

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Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by claptrappers_union » Thu May 23, 2024 8:28 pm

What matters to you most? Put your preferences for these ten attributes for a Burnley manager while Alan hires our next boss.

1) Results
2) Dynamic Football
3) Longevity
4) Management Experience
5) Persona in media
6) Honours
7) Works with the development squad
8) Fluent in English
9) Connection to Burnley FC
10) Other (specify)

Then, put your ideal appointment

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Thu May 23, 2024 8:29 pm

Win games.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu May 23, 2024 8:32 pm

1. Results
2. Ideally by playing good football
3. That's it.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by agreenwood » Thu May 23, 2024 8:35 pm

It helps to have connections and appeal to transfer targets too.

Say what you like about Kompany, I’m pretty sure he was a draw for some players.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 23, 2024 8:39 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:35 pm
It helps to have connections and appeal to transfer targets too.

Say what you like about Kompany, I’m pretty sure he was a draw for some players.
It became tedious every player saying that about him. Still, it was good PR.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by leelad » Thu May 23, 2024 8:43 pm

Somebody that has an appreciation/understanding of the town, the fans and the passion/history of the club. Say what you want about Dyche, but I think he took the time and trouble to understand that side of things more than VK who it seems was only paying 'lip service' to it. Oh...and results as well. Let's play with an identity to our football. 🙂

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Goliath » Thu May 23, 2024 8:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:39 pm
It became tedious every player saying that about him. Still, it was good PR.
The more interesting quotes are from the older players or ones that have left.
Collins and Mcneil were very positive about his training methods, Rodriguez was hugely complimentary on the Ben Foster podcast and both Barnes/Cork have spoken really highly of him.
So whilst it's been painful for us, there seems to be too much evidence of him being very good at what he does. I presume within the football world, word has gone round about him being a very impressive operator, hence the links to big clubs which look strange to us, as fans of a team he's just relegated.

The problem he had was that he wasn't willing to just aim for safety, he wanted to build a team that could finish in the top 6 on merit, which in hindsight was hugely unrealistic and led to him taking uneccessarily big risks on young players from other countries. It's probably one of the reasons he's so keen to leave, it's probably dawned on him how much it's stacked against teams like ours and is ultimate ambition for us was basically impossible.
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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu May 23, 2024 8:46 pm

Results
Preferably was born on Brunshaw Road
Can sort out corners (attacking wise and defending them)
Starts drinking in the Hare and Hounds and pays a few on

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 23, 2024 8:54 pm

Goliath wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:46 pm
The more interesting quotes are from the older players or ones that have left.
Collins and Mcneil were very positive about his training methods, Rodriguez was hugely complimentary on the Ben Foster podcast and both Barnes/Cork have spoken really highly of him.
So whilst it's been painful for us, there seems to be too much evidence of him being very good at what he does. I presume within the football world, word has gone round about him being a very impressive operator, hence the links to big clubs which look strange to us, as fans of a team he's just relegated.

The problem he had was that he wasn't willing to just aim for safety, he wanted to build a team that could finish in the top 6 on merit, which in hindsight was hugely unrealistic and led to him taking uneccessarily big risks on young players from other countries. It's probably one of the reasons he's so keen to leave, it's probably dawned on him how much it's stacked against teams like ours and is ultimate ambition for us was basically impossible.
Collins & McNeill only worked with him for a short time in pre season when it was all new. I’d be interested to know what players think now and it wasn’t difficult to read between the lines in Jack Cork’s interview last week.
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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Goliath » Thu May 23, 2024 9:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:54 pm
Collins & McNeill only worked with him for a short time in pre season when it was all new. I’d be interested to know what players think now and it wasn’t difficult to read between the lines in Jack Cork’s interview last week.
Aware of that but they were massively positive about him in that time. Cork was unhappy about not playing which I agree with him about but I'm not sure that says anything about him as a manager really. It also seems like JBL and Esteve still wanted to play for him so it really can't be all bad.

Out of interest I was just trying to find some Cork quotes and found a thread on the Sheff Utd forum. Apparently he's in talks with them. Would be a good signing on a free.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by spt_claret » Thu May 23, 2024 9:15 pm

1- Results
2- Integrity
3- Stability/Club development

There's a reason Sean Dyche is my all time favourite Burnley manager. He delivered on all 3 in spades. Kompany delivered on 1 for 1 season, promised longterm development which has yet to pan out (and jettisoned developing players inside a year), and has demonstrated a deep lack of integrity in ditching a club that showed so much faith, trust, and above all, loyalty, to him.
I don't care how big a club Bayern is they aren't my club. My club showed (excessive) trust, loyalty and generosity towards Kompany and he's cut and run at the first chance, dodging all culpability for a very expensive and laboured mess that he's put us in. I didn't want him sacked, never was Kompany Out, just wanted him to learn and be accountable. He refused to learn and has avoided accountability. I don't want another manager like that.

Style is superficial and subjective. For all the talk of us "playing the right way" we had histrionic divers and our highest ever red card total in the PL. That's not the right way to me.

A club like ours doesn't have the resources to blow 90m on "potential" which largely fails to deliver. Doesn't have the resources for vanity football. Doesn't have the capacity to handle managers who see us as a stepping stone or shop window. Bigger clubs than us, or at least more financially equipped, city clubs than us, have tumbled down the leagues and been mired in lower tiers due to mercenarial men and superficial trend chasers. Even teams like Leeds, Wednesday, Sunderland, Leicester have all been in the third tier more recently than us, not to mention those down the road.
The reason we've punched above our weight and not been below the Championship for 24 years is that by and large, everyone at the club has bought in wholesale to the club, its ethos, its long-term future, and its value as a club. It hasn't been treated as some second rate stepping stone, the one manager who did that previously soon failed and is now I believe plying his trade in India.

We need a manager who delivers results and who truly buys into a long-term vision, who rewards loyalty shown with loyalty in kind, who is accountable, doesn't fob off fans, ditch players, or dismiss problems, who learns, who wants to grow the CLUB as much as his own brand. We were blessed for ten years with a manager like that, for all the eventual stagnation that arose. We can't afford to be someone else's stepping stone.
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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu May 23, 2024 9:30 pm

The absolute priority is promotion or we could quickly lose the plot and spiral downwards.
A manager that knows success at this level would be a good start. I’ve no interest in a young manager who wants to make his name and move on.
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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Murger » Thu May 23, 2024 9:36 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 9:30 pm
The absolute priority is promotion or we could quickly lose the plot and spiral downwards.
A manager that knows success at this level would be a good start. I’ve no interest in a young manager who wants to make his name and move on.
I think this is where I’m at.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by KlyBfc » Thu May 23, 2024 10:13 pm

1) Reaults
2) Results
3) Results
4) Results
5) Results
And so on ……..

Added bonuses Style of play and Develop talent but not essential

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Commy » Thu May 23, 2024 10:41 pm

leelad wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:43 pm
Somebody that has an appreciation/understanding of the town, the fans and the passion/history of the club. Say what you want about Dyche, but I think he took the time and trouble to understand that side of things more than VK who it seems was only paying 'lip service' to it. Oh...and results as well. Let's play with an identity to our football. 🙂
That will be Moyes then :)

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by quoonbeatz » Thu May 23, 2024 10:53 pm

Competitive football. That's the only thing that matters. Don't need to be winning at a canter every week as that's boring as ****. Doesn't need to be super pretty and doesn't need to be results at all costs. Interesting football is what matters, winning or losing is just the way sport works. If you play well, results will come.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by bumba » Fri May 24, 2024 7:54 am

Win games and take a bloody shot!!!!!

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by Dyched » Fri May 24, 2024 8:02 am

Win games and bring a feel good factor.


How VK went from winning the title at Ewood to the stale atmosphere by September says it all. I know our atmosphere is shite but it was just flat. Probably the most excitable seasons to look forward too, how we’d go about tackling the PL in a new way than previous and he completely lost us.

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Re: Your top 10 for the next manager

Post by SonofPog » Fri May 24, 2024 8:51 am

1) Win Games

This to be is a far more dangerous situation than the last time we went down.
We lack the core team mentality that we had last team. We've got far more players, some we've spent far too much on and only two years of PPs.
We really do have to get promotion.

Then a long way down

2) Man management / Potentially multi lingual.... To heal the rifts in our far more worldly team.
3) Transfer dealings - They'll need to have some connections. We've a lot of players to ship out, even perm or on loan.

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