If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by NL Claret » Thu May 23, 2024 10:39 pm

Had forgotten about the Koleosho switch in the United game, a few days later Richard Keys called out VK saying it was a vanity project which at the time I thought was a pretty fair appraisal. Watched the Chelsea home game, they were bang average and won comfortably, felt like most teams coming to TM just had to turn up. We’ve seen what it takes to stay in the PL and for me by November all the warning signs were there. No great loss and for me he has left a great big turd that will need some cleaning.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Boss Hogg » Thu May 23, 2024 10:40 pm

After a few home games it was clear to me it wasn’t going to work. Anyone suggesting this at the time on here quickly got shot down. I could tell it still wasn’t going to work despite people saying ‘wait til we play teams on our level.’ Id had enough by Christmas when we could have made a change before it became too late. The stubbornness to change certain players including the goalkeeper and doing the same thing over and over again just ruined our season.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by AmbleClaret » Thu May 23, 2024 10:43 pm

Newcastle home-pathetic display.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Cazaris » Thu May 23, 2024 10:43 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 10:35 pm
The rise and fall of Al Dakhil is so ******* bizarre and spectacular. Comes in as a backup in the Championship but gets a chance and does so phenomenally well he makes the Belgian senior team, probably did well enough that he did warrant a chance to start the PL. I'd have thought with an experienced head or in a central 3 with Beyer/Ekdal so there's cover and room for Beyer to attempt his marauding, and that's not too far off the opening day defence. Sure we lose 3-0 to City but to be expected, he wasn't awful all in all. Then he's getting put as a fullback. Right back one minute, left back the next, just completely overthinking things with his selection. Unsurprisingly he struggles, and then that's it for him, curtains.

Bizarre. Up there with Trafford being thrown in at the deep end and kept there for 28 games, with Tresor being the 45 minute man for 6 games then vanishing, or with Benson contributing more match winning goals than anybody and being frozen out, everyone putting this down to his lack of defensive contribution, meanwhile Odobert offers zero defensive work or help except for 1 game near the end of the season, Vitinho being played at LB with Taylor on the bench then at RW over Larsen/JBG only to be dropped just as he started to show some good shape in the role, Foster being moved out wide to accomodate Fofana, etc. etc. Just some really strange man management and tactical calls like he wanted to prove he can mould any player to any position.
Completely agree, I mean the idea of Total Football isn't exactly new anymore, but playing people to their strengths is rule number 1 of literally any sport or business.

You don't ask the cleaning lady to file the company's health insurance claims for the year. You don't stick Sebastien Vettel on a scooter and expect him to perform as well as he would behind the wheel of an F1 car. Adaptability is straight-up a trait not everyone has in equal measures, and while I get it that VK tried to recruit players who could fill multiple roles, when we clearly HAVE players available for those positions already it's actually baffling to me why he thought that was a good idea.

Foster on the right wing for multiple games and looking miserable because he's contributing almost nothing when we've got Benson sitting on the bench gathering dust is one I will NEVER understand.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Enola Gay » Thu May 23, 2024 10:43 pm

Casper2 wrote:
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In mission to Burnley when he stated Foster would a better player in the Premier League than the Championship
And until he problems, he was.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by ksrclaret » Thu May 23, 2024 10:45 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 10:35 pm
The rise and fall of Al Dakhil is so ******* bizarre and spectacular. Comes in as a backup in the Championship but gets a chance and does so phenomenally well he makes the Belgian senior team, probably did well enough that he did warrant a chance to start the PL. I'd have thought with an experienced head or in a central 3 with Beyer/Ekdal so there's cover and room for Beyer to attempt his marauding, and that's not too far off the opening day defence. Sure we lose 3-0 to City but to be expected, he wasn't awful all in all. Then he's getting put as a fullback. Right back one minute, left back the next, just completely overthinking things with his selection. Unsurprisingly he struggles, and then that's it for him, curtains.

Bizarre. Up there with Trafford being thrown in at the deep end and kept there for 28 games, with Tresor being the 45 minute man for 6 games then vanishing, or with Benson contributing more match winning goals than anybody and being frozen out, everyone putting this down to his lack of defensive contribution, meanwhile Odobert offers zero defensive work or help except for 1 game near the end of the season, Vitinho being played at LB with Taylor on the bench then at RW over Larsen/JBG only to be dropped just as he started to show some good shape in the role, Foster being moved out wide to accomodate Fofana, etc. etc. Just some really strange man management and tactical calls like he wanted to prove he can mould any player to any position.
Hard to believe just how many bizarre decisions he made when they're all laid out one after the other. There are others you haven't listed as well like Berge starting as part of a back 3 against Fulham at home.

What a bonkers season and, as others have said, what a disgraceful waste of momentum and good feeling.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by quoonbeatz » Thu May 23, 2024 10:45 pm

Why would you fall out with him? We're not 5 years old.

I was a bit disappointed that he's going but more because lots of change in short period of time isn't great. More interested in who comes in now though.

Kompany did an incredible job in his first season and gave me a truly once in a lifetime experience winning the title at our biggest rivals ground, so he had a lot of credit in the bank with me. No Burnley manager in their right mind would turn down Bayern Munich - I'm a Burnley fan and I wouldn't. If he's gone, he's gone. He's not a crap manager, he's a young one who is learning but if he hasn't learned from his time with us, especially this season, he's ******.

Good luck to him, better luck to us.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by GaryClaret » Thu May 23, 2024 10:47 pm

It’s when it kept happening: a goal goes in, the heads go down, another goal goes in….the turf empties.

Like has been mentioned - we have seen what it takes to survive in the top flight. The decisions taken by the manager and board were not the ones needed to do it.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu May 23, 2024 10:49 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:08 pm
The mess he made of the goalkeeping position. Its hard to know what was going through his head sticking with Trafford for so long.
It was infuriating!.......every week waiting for the team announcement only to see Trafford's name again.
It was as clear as day...from the off...he wasn't ready. 28 bloody times :evil:

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Nonayforever » Thu May 23, 2024 11:02 pm

The first couple of games could be excused but after 5 or 6 games he was left bewildered and was struggling with what to do next. He just kept rearranging the players and really lost track of what was required by Christmas.
I'm of the opinion that he thought he could coach anyone to be Premier league class , but forgot that it's a team game not an individual game.
I'm glad he's gone but disappointed that we are left searching rather than having the situation planned out.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Enola Gay » Thu May 23, 2024 11:04 pm

You've gotta give it up for Burnley fans.

I didn't think I'd ever see anything as cringeworthy as the wildly over-the-top emotional cryarseing that followed Coyle's departure but this thread is absolutely killing it.

He was spectacular for us two seasons ago but last season his playing philosophy wrote cheques his managerial skills couldn't cash; a very good young manager who found a massive step up a massive step too far. But now because he's wanted by (checks notes) Bayern Munich and fancies the crack at one of the biggest clubs in the world, he's a total smurf who was only using us and we're well rid of him.

Tell you what, we absolutely should go get Sam Allardyce or another past it dinosaur in. It's probably what a significant chunk of the fanbase actually want and absolutely what they deserve.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by spt_claret » Thu May 23, 2024 11:09 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 10:45 pm
Hard to believe just how many bizarre decisions he made when they're all laid out one after the other. There are others you haven't listed as well like Berge starting as part of a back 3 against Fulham at home.

What a bonkers season and, as others have said, what a disgraceful waste of momentum and good feeling.
Forgot about that.
Also how we'd looked like we needed a more physical CB like Ekdal for a few games. He finally tries him, against a pacy forward line, played on the wrong side at LCB with Vitinho next to him at LB. Unsurprisingly Ekdal struggles and that's basically him done.

Or playing Odobert centrally for the last 8 or so games when he'd looked much better out wide, meanwhile Larsen plays wide when he has more of the natural attributes for the centre than Odobert, JBG gathers dust, Foster's ALSO out wide rather than Odobert, etc.

Total football is one thing. Putting square pegs in multiple round holes is another. Still don't get it.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Jamesy » Thu May 23, 2024 11:09 pm

I fell out with Kompany quite early on in the season and put my head above the parapet and publicly stated it on this board as many people who accused me of being negative will know.
I kept saying that it was his big ego that kept him making the strange or stubborn decisions and I think I was correct. In his head he really thought it was just all of a sudden going to click and Burnley would start winning and climb up the Premier League and then all the media would be heaping praise on him.
He kept spouting the same tedious cr@p in his post match interviews. The reason he spouted all of this cr@p was so that he could say I told you so when the results started coming.
Then the matches started to run out and he had to bring Muric in, with limited success and he kept falling out with officials, the one at Chelsea was probably understandable but his conduct was not really befitting of a Burnley Manager.
I remember one game at home he let himself down where he was desperately berating a ball boy in front of the Bob Lord for not getting the ball to our player quickly enough, not long after the ball had just gone back to our keeper following a free kick to us half way inside the opposition half.
I didn’t like the way he seemed to have a hold on Pace and the board and was allowed to bring in numerous unproven prospects via his own Mud Analytics company, which didn’t sit well in my view. Sadly Pace was naive and obviously trusted nearly everything Kompany told him because of his success the previous season. Now we are lumbered with a large squad which is going to take some serious sorting out. It’s not just footballing ability in this squad that the new manager needs to be assessing, it’s also seeing who has the heart to play and give their all for Burnley. Sadly a few of his signings appear to be seriously lacking in this department.
In a nutshell, it wasn’t about Burnley FC. It was all about the man with the big ego,Vincent Kompany.
Will I miss him? Not one bit. I just hope we can appoint someone who understands what this football club means to us all and can sort out the mess Kompany has left behind now he has been dealt his get out of jail free card.
Goodbye Vincent and good riddance.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by spt_claret » Thu May 23, 2024 11:17 pm

Enola Gay wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 11:04 pm
You've gotta give it up for Burnley fans.

I didn't think I'd ever see anything as cringeworthy as the wildly over-the-top emotional cryarseing that followed Coyle's departure but this thread is absolutely killing it.

He was spectacular for us two seasons ago but last season his playing philosophy wrote cheques his managerial skills couldn't cash; a very good young manager who found a massive step up a massive step too far. But now because he's wanted by (checks notes) Bayern Munich and fancies the crack at one of the biggest clubs in the world, he's a total smurf who was only using us and we're well rid of him.

Tell you what, we absolutely should go get Sam Allardyce or another past it dinosaur in. It's probably what a significant chunk of the fanbase actually want and absolutely what they deserve.
You sure do have to give it up for Burnley fans.

There's always some fans who'd rather take a pop at fellow Burnley supporters to show how much cleverer and better people they are, and defend someone who, regardless of his success last season, has at BEST abandoned a project midway after being shown an extraordinary level of loyalty, faith & patience, at worst only ever viewed this past season as a chance to put himself in the shop window for another club.

Genuinely question the priorities of some fans if they'd rather do down their own fans and say "Cor you deserve some past it **** manager" than back their club first. It's not dissimilar to the weird takes when we sacked Dyche from some saying "we deserve relegation for treating him like this", except weirdly some of the people who (rightly) rejected that are the ones giving it "poor Vincent Kompany, he's got more stick than he deserves for serving up a shitshow season with the biggest budget in Burnley history then leaving days after giving it talk about next season".

Again, I was never even Kompany Out but I think it's very bloody fair for people to call a lot of his attitude and actions into question over this, because ultimately- I don't give a **** how big Bayern are, they're not the club that matters to me, and we shouldn't accept our own manager deciding he's bigger than our club and treating us like he is.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Stan Tastic » Thu May 23, 2024 11:21 pm

Enola Gay wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 11:04 pm
You've gotta give it up for Burnley fans.

I didn't think I'd ever see anything as cringeworthy as the wildly over-the-top emotional cryarseing that followed Coyle's departure but this thread is absolutely killing it.

He was spectacular for us two seasons ago but last season his playing philosophy wrote cheques his managerial skills couldn't cash; a very good young manager who found a massive step up a massive step too far. But now because he's wanted by (checks notes) Bayern Munich and fancies the crack at one of the biggest clubs in the world, he's a total smurf who was only using us and we're well rid of him.

Tell you what, we absolutely should go get Sam Allardyce or another past it dinosaur in. It's probably what a significant chunk of the fanbase actually want and absolutely what they deserve.
What an odd overreaction. Most people have simply stated where they think he went wrong in the PL. There have been some interesting observations and not much bitterness, more bewilderment at some of VK's decisions.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu May 23, 2024 11:22 pm

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 11:17 pm
You sure do have to give it up for Burnley fans.

There's always some fans who'd rather take a pop at fellow Burnley supporters to show how much cleverer and better people they are, and defend someone who, regardless of his success last season, has at BEST abandoned a project midway after being shown an extraordinary level of loyalty, faith & patience, at worst only ever viewed this past season as a chance to put himself in the shop window for another club.

Genuinely question the priorities of some fans if they'd rather do down their own fans and say "Cor you deserve some past it **** manager" than back their club first. It's not dissimilar to the weird takes when we sacked Dyche from some saying "we deserve relegation for treating him like this", except weirdly some of the people who (rightly) rejected that are the ones giving it "poor Vincent Kompany, he's got more stick than he deserves for serving up a shitshow season with the biggest budget in Burnley history then leaving days after giving it talk about next season".

Again, I was never even Kompany Out but I think it's very bloody fair for people to call a lot of his attitude and actions into question over this, because ultimately- I don't give a **** how big Bayern are, they're not the club that matters to me, and we shouldn't accept our own manager deciding he's bigger than our club and treating us like he is.
He's even been known to do it on the Preston forum with his mates.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Enola Gay » Thu May 23, 2024 11:30 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 11:22 pm
He's even been known to do it on the Preston forum with his mates.
Rent-free.

Nice to see I'm still in your thoughts though.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu May 23, 2024 11:36 pm

Enola Gay wrote:
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Rent-free.

Nice to see I'm still in your thoughts though.
Struck a nerve right out of the park.

Give my love to the Lilywhites.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by fidelcastro » Thu May 23, 2024 11:58 pm

I haven't read all the thread, but for me it wasn't the start of the season when Kompany mentioned having to have one bad season in order to have more good ones.

To me it was like he knew then we weren't going to be good enough, yet it was him who brought in those players.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri May 24, 2024 12:02 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 8:59 pm
West Ham at home
Yes.
Utterly ludicrous decisions re: the substitutions near the end.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Clive 1960 » Fri May 24, 2024 12:02 am

West Ham at home winning the game and they didn't look like scoring and he made substitutions and then they were all over us and won the game and like to add the first game of the season against City where the line up shocked me to see nearly all championship team on the bench..

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Shaggy » Fri May 24, 2024 1:37 am

I was a little baffled by the summer signings and especially spending so much on a young rookie keeper who shown signs in pre-season he was a mile off the required standard.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt after the difficult start with the fixtures but felt we should have been more competitive. It was when we failed miserably in the season starts now fixtures that serious doubts were in my mind.

Around about November/December I would have been happy if we had parted Kompany with him just so we had a fighting chance of staying up.

I’m absolutely delighted that he is going and even more so that we are getting some serious compensation for him. It ranks up there with the Wayne Thomas to Southampton deal for me.

I had zero faith that he could repeat out last championship title performance ( as I suspect the man himself has )

Onwards and upwards. Just hope the new man can get a tune out of some of our current players, although I’m expecting a lot of outgoings in the summer which is needed.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by RammyClaret61 » Fri May 24, 2024 2:50 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
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Palace at home. The opposition were absolute bobbins, didn’t create a chance of their own and Burnley still lost 2 - 0
This was my turning point. I was over from Australia. My two chosen games, Palace & West Ham at home. I’ve never been so bored in my life.

Palace didn’t have a single attack. They stood on the halfway line watching us pass it across the back line for a few minutes, then back to Trafford. Once they got bored, moved forward a bit. We stuff up, they score. Once 1-0 down, nothing changed, no urgency, 2-0 down, more of the same. We were down imo.

But then he finally played Muric, way too late mind. But we got ourselves a chance. But no. We’d play well, then the following game, strange team changes.

38 league games and I don’t think Kompany, even now, knows our best XI.

It wouldn’t have bothered me if he’d stayed. But I’m not unhappy he’s gone.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Venkys4eva » Fri May 24, 2024 6:26 am

Trafford. Sticking with him for so long is the reason we're back in the championship.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Fretters » Fri May 24, 2024 6:37 am

spt_claret wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 10:35 pm
The rise and fall of Al Dakhil is so ******* bizarre and spectacular. Comes in as a backup in the Championship but gets a chance and does so phenomenally well he makes the Belgian senior team, probably did well enough that he did warrant a chance to start the PL. I'd have thought with an experienced head or in a central 3 with Beyer/Ekdal so there's cover and room for Beyer to attempt his marauding, and that's not too far off the opening day defence. Sure we lose 3-0 to City but to be expected, he wasn't awful all in all. Then he's getting put as a fullback. Right back one minute, left back the next, just completely overthinking things with his selection. Unsurprisingly he struggles, and then that's it for him, curtains.

Bizarre. Up there with Trafford being thrown in at the deep end and kept there for 28 games, with Tresor being the 45 minute man for 6 games then vanishing, or with Benson contributing more match winning goals than anybody and being frozen out, everyone putting this down to his lack of defensive contribution, meanwhile Odobert offers zero defensive work or help except for 1 game near the end of the season, Vitinho being played at LB with Taylor on the bench then at RW over Larsen/JBG only to be dropped just as he started to show some good shape in the role, Foster being moved out wide to accomodate Fofana, etc. etc. Just some really strange man management and tactical calls like he wanted to prove he can mould any player to any position.
But Foster wasn't playing out wide remember, that was all in our heads :lol:

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri May 24, 2024 7:15 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Fri May 24, 2024 12:02 am
Yes.
Utterly ludicrous decisions re: the substitutions near the end.
West Ham at home was the game were I sat and thought this team is finished

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Fri May 24, 2024 7:26 am

To many individual errors to pick from I'm afraid

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by SydneyClaret » Fri May 24, 2024 7:57 am

Never fell out with him. Had faith in him next season but hey, if Bayern Munich come calling, who wouldn’t go.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by fatboy47 » Fri May 24, 2024 8:06 am

The scattergun approach to recruitment and the feeling that City were having his pants down with Trafford had me concerned..then his ditching of most of the championship team..I'd got the feeling by October that this was all about VK and not BFC.

Loved the previous season though, some great football.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri May 24, 2024 8:10 am

SydneyClaret wrote:
Fri May 24, 2024 7:57 am
Never fell out with him. Had faith in him next season but hey, if Bayern Munich come calling, who wouldn’t go.
I think the thing that could be unsettling some people is that BM haven't just targeted any old settled manager it reeks of it being preplanned they have become aware of his availability. I guess it might not matter to some people if compensation is there. It's probably naive to expect loyalty to be a 2 way street.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri May 24, 2024 8:14 am

It’s clearly not that preplanned, they’ve been turned down by about five managers (or their clubs). I’m not having VK or his advisers have been contacting Bayern with no positive signal from them in the first place,

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri May 24, 2024 8:17 am

I do think we have an element of the fan base who would be much better suited to having both a manager and players nobody else would want.

The dumb booing of McNeil this season another example of this. Also if some are angered at his lack of loyalty but have also said (insert player of choice ) who is under contract we should get rid of isn't that a bit hypocritical. Players and managers come and go at every single club in the country.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by CaptJohn » Fri May 24, 2024 8:23 am

Undoubtedly the goalkeeper issue made me realise that he was stubborn beyond belief and did not have the clubs best interests at heart. He did Trafford no favours either and possibly lost the respect of the rest of the playing staff by continuing to play him when he was so clearly unsettled.
I feel that this whole season was an experiment that VK was allowed to carry out, that ultimately was to the detriment of BFC. Pace must share some blame but given the previous season I guess he must have thought VK could walk on water.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Darthlaw » Fri May 24, 2024 8:46 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri May 24, 2024 8:10 am
I think the thing that could be unsettling some people is that BM haven't just targeted any old settled manager it reeks of it being preplanned they have become aware of his availability.
Isn't it common knowledge that around 7-8 managers turned Bayern down, including their current one who was strangely allowed to stay in situ.

My guess is they became aware of a manager who would accept a one year deal and was a big enough name for them to justify his appointment to their fans and it's all moved very quickly.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by beddie » Fri May 24, 2024 8:53 am

Can’t say I ever fell out with him, I kept thinking he’ll get it right. Once relegation was confirmed I was still of the belief he’d get us promoted again next season and will have learnt so much from this season. Obviously disappointed that he’s decided to move on so soon, just hoping we can find a Dyche MarkII.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by claptrappers_union » Fri May 24, 2024 9:17 am

The goalkeeper situation mainly. I think that was the main difference, the team felt much more confident with Muric behind them. You could see it in the League Cup game at Goodison Park.

I thought playing Trafford in the opening game was meant to be a confidence boost for him… especially I after being so effective in the U21 Euros. But he kept him in.

As games went on, I was confident the results would come as they did in the Championship, but the players he had signed were not good enough or ready, and it was becoming clear. He needed to go revert back to type and put his trust in the promotion winning team but by the time he did, it was too late.

He was stubborn with his team selection, bizzare and pointless substitutions.

He was given everything a manager would wish for, a lucrative contract given the club of our size, full control, time and patience and a healthy transfer budget signing players ulitising his own scouting system…

… and he still messed it up. But we were still willing to stick with him.

I think he will find the grass is not always greener

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Stalbansclaret » Fri May 24, 2024 9:32 am

Squazo wrote:
Thu May 23, 2024 10:09 pm
i gave my season ticket away afyer Luton at home…. 1-0 up last ten mins they put Morris on and VK then put two wingers on 🤷🏻‍♂️ they equalised in the 90th min then he put jack cork on 🤦🏻‍♂️
Cork should of been on when they put morris on it’s not rocket science
This. I still wake up in the night sweating and shouting “No, not Tresor FFS , bring Cork on”

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Since62 » Fri May 24, 2024 9:33 am

I lost confidence after the first few games and having made the effort to get to West Ham and Palace I lost hope.
I stopped listening to VK around Christmas except for hearing that the Forest game was the first of next season 😂
I now keep checking this board for confirmation that he’s gone!

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Claret86 » Fri May 24, 2024 10:08 am

Palace away game was the turning point.
We'd just been humiliated 5 nil at home of arsenal, which can happen as they are a very good side.
Palace away we needed to tighten up, get back to basics and a point would be something to build on. Plus we had Bournemouth at home the week after so we could have got some more points.
Instead, we nearly concede an own goal from 40 yards in the first minute, play absolutely awful and get beat 3 nil.
That was when I'd had enough but unfortunately it was too late in the season to sack him.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri May 24, 2024 10:38 am

For me, around the time I stopped enjoying going on the match, so probably home to Palace or West Ham. He made this season very unenjoyable.

It's quite funny/sad seeing a couple of people in this thread acting superior because they didn't mind us being shite.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by rufus lumley » Fri May 24, 2024 10:55 am

When he put a full set of studs into Aaron Lennon's nether region.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri May 24, 2024 11:11 am

Most fans were concerned before the season started with the transfer dealings.
Because we were on a high and still a little giddy from the season before though the number of wingers we had bought was more of a running joke amongst fans than a realisation than we were completely unbalanced as a squad and really short in some key areas.

VK’s stock was so high with so many fans (me included) that there was a lot of leeway given to him at the start of the season. His team selections, substitutions and tactics were all questionable to say the least in those first 6 weeks but we had a tough start fixture wise and even though he was clearly making big mistakes the general feeling was that he needed some time to get used to the new players, new division etc (with hindsight he was actually just making a whole bunch of mistakes)

When we played Villa and Spurs at home we started both games pretty well. But as soon as they worked us out both of them absolutely tore us apart. Again there was an element of leeway given and general feeling that we had just been beaten by 2 very good teams. Again looking back whilst both Villa and Spurs were good teams other teams near the foot of the table did not get thrashed like we did. Villa and in particular Spurs could have easily scored 8 or 9 goals in those games because we did not change one thing during the games to try and counter what they were doing. In fact in both games VK made things worse with his substitutions - we became more vulnerable and wide open. Look at that Villa game - Digne and Matty Cash played like out and out wingers - they were stood on the half way line with nobody picking them up. It was madness.

Man United, Palace and West Ham were all awful when they came to the Turf. I think with United we actually played quite well and got beaten with a fantastic strike. But Palace and even more so West Ham could not string a pass together for most of the game. West Ham hardly even got out of their own half in the first 45 minutes. After both these performances I could not see anything else but relegation personally.

Even though we did see some improvements in our form in the second half of the season it was a very low bar we were improving from. We became a little more solid at the back when Muric and Esteve came in and when Dara started to find his feet. But VK was still making plenty of mistakes with his substitutions and his team selection. Was there ever a game when he picked a starting line up which did not have at least one player that the majority of fans disagreed with ? Was there ever a game when our starting eleven was better than our team in the previous season ? That is some effort when spending £100m plus in the transfer market to field a weaker team for the whole season.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Ric_C » Fri May 24, 2024 11:12 am

Strangely, this Bayern news, and rumours of him wanting out to Brighton etc seem to clarify what has happened in our season.

1. Refusal to change our playing style to suit the opposition.
2. Over reliance on youngsters VK had bought
3. Constant talk about principles and "the project"
4. Freezing out of the old guard

If you want an example of his profile being that he plays good football and he "develops young talent" then that is an eye opener for the bigger clubs willing to take a punt on him. I think he was keeping Trafford in as he was waiting for him to click so he could look vindicated. Same with over playing Odobert, and talk of developing a "100 million pound player". Take a step back and it all starts to make sense.

Tbh he has played a blinder in this respect, but unfortunately to the cost of our league season.

We've been hoodwinked, but I think most people had that uncomfortable feeling in our stomachs for most of the time over the last year, that something wasn't sitting right.

He'll probably stay at Bayern for 2 years, smash the league and then walk into the City job when Pep leaves. Bet he thinks it is christmas

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by JohnMcGreal » Fri May 24, 2024 11:29 am

Falling out isn't the wording I'd use. I'd describe it as feeling disillusioned by what he was doing.

Luton away was probably the last time I felt remotely positive about what we were doing. There was enough on show that night, as there had been away at Forest, that made me think we had a bit of quality and character to make a fist of things. Enough to compete.

I think by the time we played Wolves away it was obvious that this team would sink. None of the qualities we showed in the previously mentioned away games were visible, and hadn't been for a good while. We were absolutely garbage.

Might seem strange to refer to those away games but the home form was so bad it's not even worth discussing.

We did rally a bit later on in the season once he corrected some mistakes but it was too late. We never looked like getting out of trouble and we didn't.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 24, 2024 4:34 pm

Fretters wrote:
Fri May 24, 2024 6:37 am
But Foster wasn't playing out wide remember, that was all in our heads :lol:
Just our perception apparently
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri May 24, 2024 4:41 pm

As soon as he walked in the door in some cases.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Clovius Boofus » Fri May 24, 2024 4:45 pm

I wanted VK to be given the chance to take us back up. He's also a highly intelligent person, so I was hoping that he would have learned a lot of lessons from his season managing in the top flight, including the limitation of some of his signings.

Saying that, though, I'm happy he's going. He would have needed a flawless start to next season, without it, he would always be a couple of games away from being potted, or completely losing the crowd. What is happening re Munich is for the best for all concerned.

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by jedi_master » Fri May 24, 2024 4:57 pm

Was right behind him from minute one and up until this Bayern chapter. Don’t begrudge anyone leaving Burnley for Bayern but he’s seemingly had all of his backroom team leaving in the days prior to Bayern even approaching the club (coincidental? I think not), allegedly took less than 5 minutes to determine that he wanted to leave Burnley and quite clearly has had his media team/agents working overtime to link him with all and sundry two summers on the run. It’s worked for him, but it does leave a bitter taste.

Looking forward to the new man at this point and always will be grateful to Kompany for 22-23 - a magical season that will probably never be bettered. No way back for him here they even if Bayern walk away from the protracted compensation talks.

Burnley continues on!

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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by JohnMac » Fri May 24, 2024 10:31 pm

I've never fallen out as such but his major failings have to be Trafford as the lad was just not correcting his weaknesses and playing people in strange positions.

Al-Dakhil was shifted around, got roasted by quality players then seemingly shot of confidence, hung out to dry. Vitinho is another and we never had a settled back 4 until February.

The positives have been few and far between this season but he has brought some really promising talent to the Club. It's just unfortunate they didn't get to showcase their skill as we rarely performed as a unit. I have no doubt many of them would already be good enough in a team with more experienced players around them.
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Re: If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri May 24, 2024 10:46 pm

Never fallen out with him, not sure I've ever been more disappointed in a manager before (although I 100% get why he's going to Bayern). I was more gutted when Ben Mee left though.

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