Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[KRBFC]

He didn't step down he was working alongside another guy whilst he concentrated more on the playing side, he was still part of the management setup.
3rd is still a failure for Anderlecht!
Whichever way you look at it the point is VK didn't pull up any trees in his first few seasons so to write Rosenior off from one full season would be silly, not saying he'd be my pick but he shouldn't be written off.
Kieran McKenna probably wasn't the manager Ipswich wanted at the time.
VK after his first full season wouldn't have been a manager we'd have chosen.
Who is to say Rosenior isn't a very talented coach?

Who is to say Rosenior is a very talented coach? What has he achieved? He had one of the biggest budgets and best squads in the league and didn’t even make the play offs then got sacked for playing boring football.

You’re talking pony about 3rd being a failure for Anderlecht btw, look what happened to them after Kompany left and they appointed the table topping USG manager. They sunk even further down. The owners practically stripped the team.

[Wokingclaret]

Where do I even start with this? First of all, surprised it even took 5 minutes. The call surely won’t have been out of the blue, so you would expect he’d made his mind up beforehand. Just a classic click bait line.

“Sole purpose was to be a Pep mark 2” - do you think he’s the only one trying to emulate one of the most successful managers of all time, and this is meant to be a bad thing? Would you prefer he’d tried to emulate Ted Lasso?

“Players he’d fallen out with” - this happens at every club. Dyche had fallen out with a number of players by the time he went and it’s probably best not to mention Stone. Which players are we saying he’s fallen out with by the way and what are we basing this on? I think only Fofana has commented publicly and beyond that, it’s all hearsay.

“Flooding the squad with players who have come through his agency” - he’s made mistakes this season, absolutely no doubt about it. However, the fault also lies with the board who have allowed the manager to seemingly wield huge influence over recruitment, which is extremely short sighted when Kompany fits the profile so many clubs are chasing in these strange times. The rug has now been pulled from under us and there is a huge challenge ahead.

All that said, there are many in the game that speak very highly of Vincent Kompany. The personal attack you’ve launched against him is unfair, unfounded and quite frankly embarrassing.

We have too many on here that simply can’t put their emotions aside and put forth an objective view. It just becomes tiresome when you see the same intransigent posters coming out with variations on the same spiel to suit their agenda, be it against Kompany, Pace or even JJ Watt. Likewise, you’ve got those that seem to think they can do no wrong. It just destroys the credibility of your posts in my eyes.

It would be nice to see posters re-evaluating their views from time to time, or god forbid, admit they were wrong. For instance, I thought Dwight McNeil would struggle to make it at another Premier League club after we were relegated. He’s certainly done enough to prove me wrong on that one and I’m happy to admit it.

Quite frankly the guy has been given a very easy ride, because of what he did for us last season, likewise we thought he'd bring us back up as the best candidate to do so....but no, he had other idea's.

[CoolClaret]

We was warned......

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18982734 ... -nonsense/

Eerily accurate that.

I had questioned this year if terms like "the project" and over-playing youngsters is a copout to deflect if things don't go quite to plan. It's certainly looking that way.

Bizarre how some manage to deflect and escape from situations unscathed and idolised.. still had people on here harping about 'the project' when we were on like 10 points or less at Xmas time. Weird.

[KRBFC]

I'd still be laughing all the way to the bank and checking over my shoulder to make sure they've not changed their mind. It's bloody brilliant business.

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

[CoolClaret]

Who is to say Rosenior is a very talented coach? What has he achieved? He had one of the biggest budgets and best squads in the league and didn’t even make the play offs then got sacked for playing boring football.

You’re talking pony about 3rd being a failure for Anderlecht btw, look what happened to them after Kompany left and they appointed the table topping USG manager. They sunk even further down. The owners practically stripped the team.

After clearing out the sh1te he signed - they finished 2nd this year in the regular season... That's a better finish than VK achieved in his 3 years there, no?

You have severely bad hero worship of him - no other way to describe it. For all good 22/23 was (and yep it was really bloody special), from the moment he decided to bring back the lads after about 4 weeks of holiday for preseason right up and till he left it's been a damn car crash.

No other way to describe it. Just horrific from start to finish.

[aggi]

Who is to say Rosenior is a very talented coach? What has he achieved? He had one of the biggest budgets and best squads in the league and didn’t even make the play offs then got sacked for playing boring football.

You’re talking pony about 3rd being a failure for Anderlecht btw, look what happened to them after Kompany left and they appointed the table topping USG manager. They sunk even further down. The owners practically stripped the team.

That's not actually true though. The budget was dwarfed by most of the teams ahead of them.

[ClaretPete001]

Sometimes the reason so few elite players make good elite managers is because someone else is always to blame, that supreme confidence bordering on arrogance can be a curse as well as a blessing, because it leads to no self awareness..

I agree. I think the elite have a mind-set that tends not to factor risk into their thinking because for the most part they have been successful and whatever risks they have taken have paid off.

I think it leaves them open to arrogance and a lack of ability to be pragmatic. I think it also leaves them with an unwillingness or inability to understand players not as good as they were. I think those reasons are why he took so long to recognise the problems and to an extent never really fully accepted that perhaps he had got it wrong.

But when you are an elite club with the best players that arrogance and conceit gives you the ability to walk into a dressing room and command it. Could Moyes walk into Bayern's dressing room with any real authority even though he is likely a much better manager? I think not...!

[mybloodisclaret]

Add it up. Of course we spent 110 million. If you look on transfermarket website, a reliable source you will see it is north of 110 million.

You add it up.... and before you start your sums.... I know categorically we didn't and haven't paid £19 mill for traff.
Transfermarket isn't reliable either, especially not with undisclosed fees.

[Jamesy]

You add it up.... and before you start your sums.... I know categorically we didn't and haven't paid £19 mill for traff.
Transfermarket isn't reliable either, especially not with undisclosed fees.

So why do people use Transfermarket then? Do you think they just pluck figures out of the air? I would rather believe their figures than yours.

[mybloodisclaret]

So why do people use Transfermarket then? Do you think they just pluck figures out of the air? I would rather believe their figures than yours.

You don't know my figures? Who uses transfer market as a factual and trustable source of player values?

I know we didn't pay 19 mill for traff. Looking forward to your sums Jamesy when you're ready.

[mybloodisclaret]

Here you go Jamesy.... been on:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/burnley ... erein/1132

For our in depth analysis of squad value.....
First alarm bell.... current market value of squad.....
€256.10 MILLION Two Hundred and Fifty Six Million One Hundred Thousand €uros OR in our money........ just over £218,000,000. Seem right to you?

I went on a deep dive.... spot the anomalies.

CURRENT MARKET VALUE

All prices are in €uro

Traff 18 mil
Amdouni 15 mil
Beyer 16 mil
Al Dakhil 15 mil
Ramsey 15 mil

Heres the clue...... extra year.....in favour of BFC..... Josh Brownhill..... 18 million €uros.

None of the above have been major / main starters this season..... yet with those sale we can expect to recoup 97 million €uros or £82.63 million. These are players who played sporadically this season. On top of that the 15-20 million for Kompany and Co and we are quids in.

Please tell me you don't hang your hat on these trustable figues Jamesy?

If you think that is reliable I've got a car for sale..... 97,600 miles on the clock.... good runner.

[bumba]

Who is to say Rosenior is a very talented coach? What has he achieved? He had one of the biggest budgets and best squads in the league and didn’t even make the play offs then got sacked for playing boring football.

You’re talking pony about 3rd being a failure for Anderlecht btw, look what happened to them after Kompany left and they appointed the table topping USG manager. They sunk even further down. The owners practically stripped the team.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18982734 ... -nonsense/

Read the article it isn't nonsense your expected to challenge for the title it's like saying your not expected to challenge for the title at United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea.
They finished 2nd last season so maybe sunk stripped the team he'd established then rose to 2nd? but like I've said what they've done since he left is completely irrelevant to the debate.
Read a lot of articles about how talented he is as a coach, heard lots of interviews praising him by players and pundits.
He wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't write him off either just because of one season at Hull where he wasn't even bringing in players he wanted the chairman does it all similar to Boehly.

[bumba]

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

One good season in 5 when everything fell in to place, those tears are blurring your vision

[bumba]

Eerily accurate that.

I had questioned this year if terms like "the project" and over-playing youngsters is a copout to deflect if things don't go quite to plan. It's certainly looking that way.

Bizarre how some manage to deflect and escape from situations unscathed and idolised.. still had people on here harping about 'the project' when we were on like 10 points or less at Xmas time. Weird.

I remember speaking to fans who were laughing it off saying we'll still be fine 'once it clicks' believing everything that came out of his mouth.
The championship season was brilliant but it's not often a manager gets to come in to a club with a clean slate and money available like he did, I'm still of the belief that it went to his ego even more and he signed all those players honestly believing he could turn them in to world beaters(£100 million player) and we'd finish high up.

[Hipper]

Surely all managers have to have confidence in what they are doing. Certainly in front of the media they do.

Words like 'process' and 'project' are managerial talk, same as 'group' etc.. Anyway, like confidence, you have to trust 'the process' otherwise you may think you may have got it wrong. That old school Belgian manager's criticism of VK in The Sun would also be a criticism of all other modern managers.

On the claims of us 'spending £110 million' last summer it surely means 'committed to spend £110 million' as we all know transfers are usually paid over the length of the player's contracts. The £110 million (or whatever the total figure is) will be spent over three to four years and a guess would be the initial out goings last summer was a quarter of that. It of course means that we are committed to spend perhaps another £28 million or this summer before we bring anyone else in but it's assumed that the club budget for these things.

[Hipper]

You also have to remember that the extraordinary Championship season didn't start off smoothly. We would take leads and then drop points quite often in the early days. It took to around October to mostly sort it out. But when it was sorted out......

[morninbob]

Surely all managers have to have confidence in what they are doing. Certainly in front of the media they do.

Words like 'process' and 'project' are managerial talk, same as 'group' etc.. Anyway, like confidence, you have to trust 'the process' otherwise you may think you may have got it wrong. That old school Belgian manager's criticism of VK in The Sun would also be a criticism of all other modern managers.

On the claims of us 'spending £110 million' last summer it surely means 'committed to spend £110 million' as we all know transfers are usually paid over the length of the player's contracts. The £110 million (or whatever the total figure is) will be spent over three to four years and a guess would be the initial out goings last summer was a quarter of that. It of course means that we are committed to spend perhaps another £28 million or this summer before we bring anyone else in but it's assumed that the club budget for these things.

And it will be a lot, lot less now we've been relegated.

[Bordeauxclaret]

That's not actually true though. The budget was dwarfed by most of the teams ahead of them.

You are surely not suggesting he may have just made something up to try and back up his argument?

[Clive 1960]

I was hoping all this Kompany business would have been sorted before this weekend but i can understand Pace wants the best deal for the club and if it's written in Kompanys contract a release clause of so many million so be it and plus did they get permission from Pace to speak to our manager?

[Hibsclaret]

You have to play hardball and make sure these Germans don’t just nick your sunbed.

[IanMcL]

You have to play hardball and make sure these Germans don’t just nick your sunbed.

They have already placed their towels.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’d imagine the compensation will be structured

13m with 2m if they win league next season and another 3m if they win champs league in next 3 seasons

[bobinho]

Prepare to be shocked. I believe he won’t consider Bellamy or Cremers. They would have been gone from Burnley had Kompany stayed.

Nothing at all heard on incoming.

That’s Steve cotterill back then…

[Belgianclaret]

Eerily accurate that.

I had questioned this year if terms like "the project" and over-playing youngsters is a copout to deflect if things don't go quite to plan. It's certainly looking that way.

Bizarre how some manage to deflect and escape from situations unscathed and idolised.. still had people on here harping about 'the project' when we were on like 10 points or less at Xmas time. Weird.

Johan Boskamp not afraid to speak his mind and doesn’t mince his words. Has a point on some things though

[Belgianclaret]

It is imperative we get an inspiring appointment to continue the path we were on.
Let’s hope Mr Pace and his team get it right.
I can’t see anyone of the British contingent (besides Potter who is out of our league) who can successfully build on what we have put in place and the squad we have.

[expoultryboy]

I can , Cooper plays good football.

[IanMcL]

Come on Mr Moyes. You know you want to!

[Rileybobs]

On the claims of us 'spending £110 million' last summer it surely means 'committed to spend £110 million' as we all know transfers are usually paid over the length of the player's contracts. The £110 million (or whatever the total figure is) will be spent over three to four years and a guess would be the initial out goings last summer was a quarter of that. It of course means that we are committed to spend perhaps another £28 million or this summer before we bring anyone else in but it's assumed that the club budget for these things.

The way player purchases are funded to aid cash flow is pretty irrelevant to the point. If we did deals to the value of £100m on rubbish players but only paid £20m up front it doesn’t make the situation any better (I’m not saying we spent £100m on rubbish, just making a point).

[Quicknick]

It is imperative we get an inspiring appointment to continue the path we were on.
Let’s hope Mr Pace and his team get it right.
I can’t see anyone of the British contingent (besides Potter who is out of our league) who can successfully build on what we have put in place and the squad we have.

What exactly have we put in place? We've just been relegated following our worst ever top-flight season?

[roperclaret]

What exactly have we put in place? We've just been relegated following our worst ever top-flight season?

With a talented bunch of young players, who were just not ready this season.

[Jamesy]

Here you go Jamesy.... been on:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/burnley ... erein/1132

For our in depth analysis of squad value.....
First alarm bell.... current market value of squad.....
€256.10 MILLION Two Hundred and Fifty Six Million One Hundred Thousand €uros OR in our money........ just over £218,000,000. Seem right to you?

I went on a deep dive.... spot the anomalies.

CURRENT MARKET VALUE

All prices are in €uro

Traff 18 mil
Amdouni 15 mil
Beyer 16 mil
Al Dakhil 15 mil
Ramsey 15 mil

Heres the clue...... extra year.....in favour of BFC..... Josh Brownhill..... 18 million €uros.

None of the above have been major / main starters this season..... yet with those sale we can expect to recoup 97 million €uros or £82.63 million. These are players who played sporadically this season. On top of that the 15-20 million for Kompany and Co and we are quids in.

Please tell me you don't hang your hat on these trustable figues Jamesy?

If you think that is reliable I've got a car for sale..... 97,600 miles on the clock.... good runner.

I will buy your car as long as you have had it serviced regularly. I will give you 25% less than you want for it though. Just like your figures are 25% out. Where is Sander Berge in these figures?

It is widely banded about in the media that we have spent over 100 million so it cannot be simply lazy journalism.

And if you think we can recoup more than what we spent for all of those five players you have quoted above you are truly in cloud cuckoo land.

On second thoughts I won’t take a punt your car you are probably asking way too much for it.

[Darnhill Claret]

I think the figure of £100m or £110m is agreed as an approximate. However the point being made Jamesy is that it is a commitment to spend over 3 or 4 or 5 seasons, depending on contract length. So averaging on a 3 Yr contract length, that would suggest that the spend would be nearer to £35m last season, and that appears to be the point mybloodisclaret is making to you, and I think you know that.

[Shaggy]

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

Honestly you are very naive. I’ll give you your due. You’ve stuck your colours to the mast and are sticking with them no matter what. It’s a shame you a completely wrong though.

[IanMcL]

Sky latest, a few mins ago. Nothing knew, however, it firms it all up.

Burnley are demanding £17m from Bayern ... 2027 ✍️🇩🇪

[Belgianclaret]

What exactly have we put in place? We've just been relegated following our worst ever top-flight season?

Indeed a completely overhauled and younger squad but most importantly a completely new playing style and football philosophy.
Even though we were too inexperienced and lightweight this season, you don’t stay in the PL anymore in the way Dyche did some years ago

[ksrclaret]

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

I’m going to love watching you revert to type as soon as we get a manager that isn’t VK.

When does the new username KRBMFC get approved, then?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Eerily accurate that.

I had questioned this year if terms like "the project" and over-playing youngsters is a copout to deflect if things don't go quite to plan. It's certainly looking that way.

Bizarre how some manage to deflect and escape from situations unscathed and idolised.. still had people on here harping about 'the project' when we were on like 10 points or less at Xmas time. Weird.

As I said months ago the phrase "the project" is there to appease gullible idiots, it's absolutely meaningless unless you firstly know the original project details

[ClaretTony]

Sacha Tavolieri - just now

Been told #FCBayern already working on Vincent Kompany’s communication next week. They want to make it official early next week for a presentation to the press a bit later next week.
Probably Thursday.

Soon an announcement about an agreement between clubs around 13M£ so 15,1M€. Almost there.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

If only it wasn't for those few fans hounding Kompany out of the club eh

[Folkestoneclaret]

How does that benefit us exactly? They take our manager, most of the back room staff and get first refusal at any talent we have? Crikey

How should I know, exactly or otherwise? All I'm saying is that in a negotiation like this there should be more on the agenda than just money. Like a pre-season friendly maybe. And feeder clubs have to be fed don't they? Why shouldn't it be a contra-flow relationship?

[123EasyasBFC]

Sacha Tavolieri - just now

Been told #FCBayern already working on Vincent Kompany’s communication next week. They want to make it official early next week for a presentation to the press a bit later next week.
Probably Thursday.

Soon an announcement about an agreement between clubs around 13M£ so 15,1M€. Almost there.

Bayern sources going to it’s cheaper than 15m and Burnley sources are going to say it’s more than 15m

[Jamesy]

I think the figure of £100m or £110m is agreed as an approximate. However the point being made Jamesy is that it is a commitment to spend over 3 or 4 or 5 seasons, depending on contract length. So averaging on a 3 Yr contract length, that would suggest that the spend would be nearer to £35m last season, and that appears to be the point mybloodisclaret is making to you, and I think you know that.

Listen. Whatever the figures are, even over 3 or more seasons. It is difficult to argue against the fact that Kompany has thrown a lot of money at “potential”.
In my view he has wasted a fair chunk of this money and the Mike Tresor farce smacks of recklessness, almost criminality especially if you take into account the sizeable wedge MUD analytics would have trousered from the deal also.
Hopefully Alan Pace will manage to get a decent compensation figure from Bayern and learn from this before making his next managerial appointment.

[Pearcey]

Hopefully done soon then. Just want him gone now.

[Jamesy]

Hopefully done soon then. Just want him gone now.

So do I. It’s hanging around like a bad smell.

[Big Vinny K]

Who is to say Rosenior is a very talented coach? What has he achieved? He had one of the biggest budgets and best squads in the league and didn’t even make the play offs then got sacked for playing boring football.

You’re talking pony about 3rd being a failure for Anderlecht btw, look what happened to them after Kompany left and they appointed the table topping USG manager. They sunk even further down. The owners practically stripped the team.

3rd for Anderlecht is a failure. Because they did even worse the season after is just a bigger failure.
Read what the owners said about Kompany if you think they were happy with him.

As for Rosenior you are talking nonsense (yet again). Hull had an excellent season and their budgets are nowhere near what you think they are. They spend virtually nothing in the transfer market despite bringing in decent money in selling players in the last few years. Their reliance on the loan market for their better players is always going to hamper them getting promoted. To say he got sacked for playing boring football is more made up nonsense. His sacking was a complete surprise to fans and locals. He was nominated in the top 3 of the league managers of the season.

Rosenior would not be my choice as with the position we are in with a massive and expensive squad a number of which will be unhappy and / or want to leave that is not a situation I would want to land on a manager with no experience in dealing with this.

[ClaretPete001]

Here you go Jamesy.... been on:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/burnley ... erein/1132

For our in depth analysis of squad value.....
First alarm bell.... current market value of squad.....
€256.10 MILLION Two Hundred and Fifty Six Million One Hundred Thousand €uros OR in our money........ just over £218,000,000. Seem right to you?

I went on a deep dive.... spot the anomalies.

CURRENT MARKET VALUE

All prices are in €uro

Traff 18 mil
Amdouni 15 mil
Beyer 16 mil
Al Dakhil 15 mil
Ramsey 15 mil

Heres the clue...... extra year.....in favour of BFC..... Josh Brownhill..... 18 million €uros.

None of the above have been major / main starters this season..... yet with those sale we can expect to recoup 97 million €uros or £82.63 million. These are players who played sporadically this season. On top of that the 15-20 million for Kompany and Co and we are quids in.

Please tell me you don't hang your hat on these trustable figues Jamesy?

If you think that is reliable I've got a car for sale..... 97,600 miles on the clock.... good runner.

All journalistic sources I have read quote £100 million. Of course, player's contracts are complex and dependent upon a number of factors so the actual cost is not known.

But we've added around 18 PL contracts to the squad, which other clubs at the bottom didn't - if you include the 3 loanees.

If you look at the payers and where we bought them form it has to be around £100 million. Transfermarket doesn't even factor in the costs of the loan players to the nigh on £100 million.

You aren't going to get young players from Espanyol, Anderlecht or Borussia Monchengladbach for nothing.

You aren't going to get talents like Trafford for £5 million or prize Berg away from Sheffield United for peanuts.

Zeki Amdouni scored 1 in 2.6 for Basel and 7 in Europe.

The club accounts themselves suggest £40 million was spent after the 31 July 2023. I guess that will have been Berge, Odobert and Ramsey. The players registrations also include agents fees and levy costs etc.

I see no way that you can hand out 18 PL contracts and pay much less than £100 million.

[ClaretTony]

Aye what a master stroke, we’d have almost certainly have been promoted with VK next season, now what…..

One poor season and suddenly he’s an awful manager

Almost certainly promoted? I can assure you all was not well under Kompany at Burnley any longer, a mess in the dressing room and backroom staff being pushed out. It's a mess and a hell of a task now for whoever comes in. I'm relieved it won't be Kompany.

[onewillieirvine]

CT - Have you any idea/ thoughts as to when it started to unravel behind the scenes.?

[Jamesy]

Almost certainly promoted? I can assure you all was not well under Kompany at Burnley any longer, a mess in the dressing room and backroom staff being pushed out. It's a mess and a hell of a task now for whoever comes in. I'm relieved it won't be Kompany.

And like I said further up the thread, I hope Alan Pace has learned a lesson from this.

[boyyanno]

CT - Have you any idea/ thoughts as to when it started to unravel behind the scenes.?

It started unraveling ages ago. I haven't said anything about it since it started getting nasty when I reported about the squad meeting, but I can also say quite confidently that other things have happened.

For example I believe Kompany held a meeting with several players where he told them they could **** off a few months ago after there had been some fall outs behind doors. Many players unhappy with their playing time etc.

It's been a mess for ages and the truth will come out eventually. I know Big Vinny K backed me up over the squad meeting and I can't be the only one who knows about the meeting with VK and several senior players.