Next manager

[RVclaret]

Amazed at the number of people who want Moyes.

Would be the sign of a club without any direction doing another 180 on approach (on both playing style and transfer strategy) just 2 years after the last one when going from Dyche to Kompany.

Last season West Ham were defensively worse than us and averaged only 41.1% possession (17th rank). Which wouldn't be terrible if they created chances despite it but they didn't, ranking 15th for non-penalty xG, that with players such as Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta.

After 5 years of his management West Ham also have the second oldest squad in the PL.

Moyes isn't a fit for what the club is purportedly aiming to be.

Fully agree with this. The next appointment needs to fit with the vision of developing youth, being an attractive club to join as a young player & playing entertaining football. Of course doing that with results is needed but it can be done with this squad in this league.

Any names that are interesting you?

[Andingle]

Fully agree with this. The next appointment needs to fit with the vision of developing youth, being an attractive club to join as a young player & playing entertaining football. Of course doing that with results is needed but it can be done with this squad in this league.

Any names that are interesting you?

Yes I agree , we need to build on the reputation we are developing as an entertaining footballing club , bringing and improving younger players with a profitable re-sale value.
It's important to have a manager who is a pull for players to want to come to us , a known and respected football person and I can't think beyond someone like Cesc Fabricas.
I can't see somebody like David Moyes being motivated for the challenge to take us forward.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Dyche only got the job because he blew them away with his interview when he gave them a presentation, it isn't like your day to day job interview.

Brilliant! Let’s give the job to someone with some slick patter whose representatives prepped them with a great Powerpoint

What could go wrong

[dougcollins]

Amazed at the number of people who want Moyes.

Would be the sign of a club without any direction doing another 180 on approach (on both playing style and transfer strategy) just 2 years after the last one when going from Dyche to Kompany.

Last season West Ham were defensively worse than us and averaged only 41.1% possession (17th rank). Which wouldn't be terrible if they created chances despite it but they didn't, ranking 15th for non-penalty xG, that with players such as Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta.

After 5 years of his management West Ham also have the second oldest squad in the PL.

Moyes isn't a fit for what the club is purportedly aiming to be.

Exactly my view.

[CoolClaret]

Amazed at the number of people who want Moyes.

Would be the sign of a club without any direction doing another 180 on approach (on both playing style and transfer strategy) just 2 years after the last one when going from Dyche to Kompany.

Last season West Ham were defensively worse than us and averaged only 41.1% possession (17th rank). Which wouldn't be terrible if they created chances despite it but they didn't, ranking 15th for non-penalty xG, that with players such as Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta.

After 5 years of his management West Ham also have the second oldest squad in the PL.

Moyes isn't a fit for what the club is purportedly aiming to be.

Not at all - it's about bringing someone in that's quite literally seen it all, pick up the pieces and put together an effective team in what could be a bit of a precarious time for the club.

'Defensively worse than us' yet they finished 9th and we finished 19th. Yet another top half finish - after losing their best player as well.

Maybe, just maybe looking at football through this clinical lens is just a bit silly?

Also, using stats like that is disingenuous when the one that matters is his record for the past 5 years at West Ham - multiple top half finishes and a European Cup.

You talk about a 180 in approach but how can you say he's not good for developing youngsters when he's also turned Rice into a world beater and also developed Bowen, Paqueta and to a lesser extent Kudus into top, top players.

[bumba]

Brilliant! Let’s give the job to someone with some slick patter whose representatives prepped them with a great Powerpoint

What could go wrong

Yeh must be what Dyche did, got somebody to do his presentation then miraculously succeeded in the role!
Do you not think VK got the role for 'the project' he presented to Pace?

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Nail on head. That’s before you factor in he won’t need or want to work at a level below where he has worked for the last 20 years plus. Unreal the number on here that can’t seem to grasp it.

How do you know this? Maybe after being bludgeoned over the head for 4 years by West Ham fans he’d be ready for a club that doesn’t sack their managers, has a project to rebuild he can buy into, has lots of dosh relatively speaking for their level, is near his home, etc etc.

But thanks for speaking on behalf of David!

[RVclaret]

Not at all - it's about bringing someone in that's quite literally seen it all, pick up the pieces and put together an effective team in what could be a bit of a precarious time for the club.

'Defensively worse than us' yet they finished 9th and we finished 19th. Yet another top half finish - after losing their best player as well.

Maybe, just maybe looking at football through this clinical lens is just a bit silly?

Also, using stats like that is disingenuous when the one that matters is his record for the past 5 years at West Ham - multiple top half finishes and a European Cup.

You talk about a 180 in approach but how can you say he's not good for developing youngsters when he's also turned Rice into a world beater and also developed Bowen, Paqueta and to a lesser extent Kudus into top, top players.

Developed Kudus & Paqueta? C’mon, they cost 100m between them. If anything Hammers fans I’ve spoken to can’t believe the style of play under him given the attacking talent like those two at his disposal.

[roperclaret]

The interview process (if not conducted correctly) gives people with the gift of the gab a huge and unwarranted advantage over others. I’d rather we headhunted someone for our own needs than just listening to people who are excellent at promoting themselves and sounding great.

I completely disagree with this. We shouldn’t be ‘considering’ or approaching anyone. When VK goes we should be advertising the position and inviting applications and then considering the options. Headhunted managers often fail because they come with a sense of entitlement. We need someone with a proper business plan for this squad.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I completely disagree with this. We shouldn’t be ‘considering’ or approaching anyone. When VK goes we should be advertising the position and inviting applications and then considering the options. Headhunted managers often fail because they come with a sense of entitlement. We need someone with a proper business plan for this squad.

But what if at the interview they are just really good bullshitters and never, ever, do anything they said they would?

[Mattster]

Fully agree with this. The next appointment needs to fit with the vision of developing youth, being an attractive club to join as a young player & playing entertaining football. Of course doing that with results is needed but it can be done with this squad in this league.

Any names that are interesting you?

I'm struggling to be honest, I don't think there's anyone who ticks all the boxes.

Closest would be Carrick if he hasn't signed the new deal at Boro yet but I'm not entirely enthused by him. I don't think Will Still is as good as his hype. Rosenior is one of those possession without end product type managers from what I've seen but maybe he could develop that. Purely in terms of tactical approach Garcia Pimienta at Las Palmas would be a good fit, but as a whole package I don't know (don't know if he speaks English for a start) and he obviously has no experience of English football. Knutsen could be exciting but you've got to wonder why no one has taken a punt on him yet. Glad I'm not making the decision, just hope we don't look like a club without a plan.

[CoolClaret]

Developed Kudus & Paqueta? C’mon, they cost 100m between them. If anything Hammers fans I’ve spoken to can’t believe the style of play under him given the attacking talent like those two at his disposal.

Here we are again - RV massively inflating other teams' transfer fees at all costs whilst he does the opposite with ours.

Paqueta was a big signing, no doubt, still - they signed him when he was 22 which is far from being the finished article, right? Not to mention that City were quite happy to pay big money to sign him before the betting allegations came out - is that not the model we're looking for?

Buy a young player, develop and sell, and slowly raise the calibre of signings till we're doing something akin to what he did with Paqueta?

Kudus went from the Eredivisie straight into an 8 goal, 6 assist season at West Ham in 33 games. That's not bad for a youngster that's come over from the Dutch league where so many have flopped.

Finally, West Ham fans speak utter tripe and I don't give one jot about the majority of their sh1te opinions.

They often talk about the "West Ham way" as if they've been a footballing powerhouse for decades, akin to clubs like Ajax. This might hold some weight if they had a history of league titles or a dynasty, but in reality, West Ham has never won the league. It's almost like they're living in a fantasy world - it's deluded and nonsensical.

If 'playing football in a certain way' is more important (and I think it is to you) than winning then I can't help. He's statistically in their top three best ever managers.

[Hibsclaret]

How do you know this? Maybe after being bludgeoned over the head for 4 years by West Ham fans he’d be ready for a club that doesn’t sack their managers, has a project to rebuild he can buy into, has lots of dosh relatively speaking for their level, is near his home, etc etc.

But thanks for speaking on behalf of David!

He won’t go near a championship job. He’s a premier league manager with recent success in Europe. He did the championship with PNE. It just won’t happen. We can all quote speaking on behalf of him arrogantly when trying to justify why he’ll do a job he did twenty years ago.

He does not fit our model or ownership and how many on here would do a job they did so long ago when they’re a multi millionaire with nothing to prove. Moyes’ next job will be in the prem if he takes one.

[roperclaret]

But what if at the interview they are just really good bullshitters and never, ever, do anything they said they would?

Do you work in recruitment Charlie?

[bumba]

But what if at the interview they are just really good bullshitters and never, ever, do anything they said they would?

Then they stay for two seasons leave you where you were and get a job at a top club whilst earning the club £15 million

[CharlieinNewMexico]

He won’t go near a championship job. He’s a premier league manager with recent success in Europe. He did the championship with PNE. It just won’t happen. We can all quote speaking on behalf of him arrogantly when trying to justify why he’ll do a job he did twenty years ago.

He does not fit our model or ownership and how many on here would do a job they did so long ago when they’re a multi millionaire with nothing to prove. Moyes’ next job will be in the prem if he takes one.

Moyes is looking to step up.And rightly so with his experience. Assuming he just wants to continue away at being a club manager for the rest of his life is pretty naive Hibs.

[Hibsclaret]

It’s 2 steps down

[CharlieinNewMexico]

It’s 2 steps down

Unless at the age of 60 you want to be closer to home and have more control

[JimmyRobbo]

Amazed at the number of people who want Moyes.

Would be the sign of a club without any direction doing another 180 on approach (on both playing style and transfer strategy) just 2 years after the last one when going from Dyche to Kompany.

Last season West Ham were defensively worse than us and averaged only 41.1% possession (17th rank). Which wouldn't be terrible if they created chances despite it but they didn't, ranking 15th for non-penalty xG, that with players such as Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta.

After 5 years of his management West Ham also have the second oldest squad in the PL.

Moyes isn't a fit for what the club is purportedly aiming to be.

Some reasonable comments but it is widely reported that he had little control over recruitment and was also dead-man walking. At our club, the recuitment already has youth in place and will continue to do so. So, in short, I don't think that is a problem.

One year earlier and he gives WH the most successful season I can remember.

He absolutely is a safe pair of hands who is no novice and understands how to run a team.

I'd be happy with Moyes.

[FeedTheArf]

Amazed at the number of people who want Moyes.

Would be the sign of a club without any direction doing another 180 on approach (on both playing style and transfer strategy) just 2 years after the last one when going from Dyche to Kompany.

Last season West Ham were defensively worse than us and averaged only 41.1% possession (17th rank). Which wouldn't be terrible if they created chances despite it but they didn't, ranking 15th for non-penalty xG, that with players such as Kudus, Bowen and Paqueta.

After 5 years of his management West Ham also have the second oldest squad in the PL.

Moyes isn't a fit for what the club is purportedly aiming to be.

I get what you’re saying. It might well be that Pace does want a safer pair of hands after being burned by Kompany.

Will be really interesting to see what route we go down.

[Murger]

I just don’t get the logic of not wanting a proven manager in Moyes, but all for having an inexperienced 1 in Rosenior.

[bigdavethemaddog]

im amazed nobody has mentioned Southgate - not that id want him

[roperclaret]

If Moyes got in touch and really wanted the job it’s a no brainier. But we shouldn’t be trying to persuade anyone to take it. Whoever we appoint has to really want to come here

[Mattster]

I just don’t get the logic of not wanting a proven manager in Moyes, but all for having an inexperienced 1 in Rosenior.

Because it's not just a case of experience (though Rosenior has more recent Championship experience than Moyes if experience is all important).

You have to factor in style of play against the squad and philosophy of the club. Exactly why Bayern are taking Kompany.

I'm not saying Rosenior is my first pick but he makes a lot more sense than Moyes.

And how much managerial experience did our last two appointments have? One got us years of PL football and to Europe whilst the other is landing us ~£15m in compensation.

[Murger]

Because it's not just a case of experience (though Rosenior has more recent Championship experience than Moyes if experience is all important).

You have to factor in style of play against the squad and philosophy of the club. Exactly why Bayern are taking Kompany.

I'm not saying Rosenior is my first pick but he makes a lot more sense than Moyes.

For someone inexperienced like Rosenior, trimming a squad of about 40 players is a fairly daunting job.
Now (imo) isn’t the time for a novice.

[Belial]

I just don’t get the logic of not wanting a proven manager in Moyes, but all for having an inexperienced 1 in Rosenior.

I agree, it's an odd thought process. Completely risk everything on a guy that's had extremely limited experience but is young so I'm guessing that's his selling point, vs a guy who has lots and lots of experience and is somewhat looked down on because of his style.

[Mattster]

For someone inexperienced like Rosenior, trimming a squad of about 40 players is a fairly daunting job.
Now (imo) isn’t the time for a novice.

Experience is just one quality to look for, not even the most important IMO. It also takes different forms. Moyes' last experience of Championship management was decades ago. He has no experience of managing a possession based side.

I don't see the logic in choosing a manager that is in no way a fit for the direction of the club based purely on the length of time he has been managing. Let's go get Roy Hodgson is experience is the be all and end all.

[Murger]

Experience is just one quality to look for, not even the most important IMO. It also takes different forms. Moyes' last experience of Championship management was decades ago. He has no experience of managing a possession based side.

I don't see the logic in choosing a manager that is in no way a fit for the direction of the club based purely on the length of time he has been managing. Let's go get Roy Hodgson is experience is the be all and end all.

So don’t get Moyes because he last managed in the Championship 20+ years ago?
Plus, I’d say the aim was to get an automatic return and keep us there. Moyes (or Cooper) are the best candidates imo.

[JimmyRobbo]

So don’t get Moyes because he last managed in the Championship 20+ years ago?
Plus, I’d say the aim was to get an automatic return and keep us there. Moyes (or Cooper) are the best candidates imo.

I'd say that is my postition, too.

As things stand.

[warksclaret]

Not trawled through all the relevant posts, but from what I have read no one has mentioned Michael Duff-I appreciate he has just signed a 3 year deal at Huddersfield

[Winstonswhite]

Probably why no one has mentioned him.

[Pearcey]

Must have a decent sort this time. Not one that talks a load of b0llocks about how he gets the club and then runs after he’s given us a dreadful season.

[Mattster]

So don’t get Moyes because he last managed in the Championship 20+ years ago?
Plus, I’d say the aim was to get an automatic return and keep us there. Moyes (or Cooper) are the best candidates imo.

No, don't get Moyes because he's a complete 180 in terms of direction for the club. You're the one who brought experience up. I was just pointing out his experience isn't necessarily relevant because his Championship experience is over 20 years ago. If you want experience of getting a side promoted to the EPL and then keeping them there then Moyes has never done that, he's only ever managed established Premier League sides and never got a club promoted from the Championship.

Cooper would be a better fit than Moyes, I never dismissed him as being unsuitable.

[bfcjg]

I'm leaning towards Cooper, experienced, proven plus all his experience players speak very highly about him he has time for people after " I'm Vincent company ( but you'll know that ) and you are ? "

[Murger]

No, don't get Moyes because he's a complete 180 in terms of direction for the club. You're the one who brought experience up. I was just pointing out his experience isn't necessarily relevant because his Championship experience is over 20 years ago. If you want experience of getting a side promoted to the EPL and then keeping them there then Moyes has never done that, he's only ever managed established Premier League sides and never got a club promoted from the Championship.

Cooper would be a better fit than Moyes, I never dismissed him as being unsuitable.

Moyes isn’t as defensive as Dyche, nor as attacking as Kompany. So I don’t see it a complete 180.

Edit: I’d take Moyes or Cooper. None of the other names really inspire.

[Steddyman]

Fully agree with this. The next appointment needs to fit with the vision of developing youth, being an attractive club to join as a young player & playing entertaining football. Of course doing that with results is needed but it can be done with this squad in this league.

Any names that are interesting you?

So we all agree with VK then that experience has no value in football, and to stick with the youth? If we do, I don't think we go up again.

We need a backbone of experience to back the young players and provide confidence when times are hard. A good manager wouldn't just rely on youth. Moyes is a very good manager

[Ric_C]

I'm getting the feeling Pace will go for a coach that no one has mentioned yet. A progressive coach from europe would be my guess. Bit like Palace have done with Glasner. Who that could be would be anyone's guess.

[nil_desperandum]

Some reasonable comments but it is widely reported that he had little control over recruitment and was also dead-man walking. At our club, the recuitment already has youth in place and will continue to do so. So, in short, I don't think that is a problem.

One year earlier and he gives WH the most successful season I can remember.

He absolutely is a safe pair of hands who is no novice and understands how to run a team.

I'd be happy with Moyes.

Yes, after the rollercoaster of the past few years we should be looking for short/mid term stability, and at his age, and with his experience, Moyes ticks all the boxes for me. Surely promotion at the first attempt has to be the priority, and whilst we hit the jackpot with a novice (Kompany) we might not be so lucky a second time.
It's experience and stability for me, and - importantly - discipline, both on and off the field appears to have been lacking this season, and an experienced hand like Moyes will be capable of trimming the squad, stabilising the club and restoring a more disciplined approach. A young squad benefits from a leader with discipline and experience.

[IanMcL]

If I say Moyes regularly, perhaps it will happen.

[Goliath]

Moyes isn’t as defensive as Dyche, nor as attacking as Kompany. So I don’t see it a complete 180.

Edit: I’d take Moyes or Cooper. None of the other names really inspire.

I'd prefer to watch a Dyche side than a Moyes side by a mile.
Dyche likes a high press and tempo, getting the ball into the front areas quickly. Moyes plays a pretty deep line and tends to be really passive with his teams preferring to play on the break.
I think a previous poster had a very good point about him not being experienced in managing teams with a lot of possession which Is what we will have next season. I'm not convinced it would suit him.

[Mattster]

Moyes isn’t as defensive as Dyche, nor as attacking as Kompany. So I don’t see it a complete 180.

Edit: I’d take Moyes or Cooper. None of the other names really inspire.

Last season Moyes' West Ham were very much more defensive than Dyche, and worse at it.

[BigChaCha]

I don't want an older dinosaur or Mike Bassett type English manager!... There are a few exceptions but in general, they are always disappointing, in most team sports, not just football... I want a progressive manager that is more suited to our squad and new more ambitious aims...

There's also a lot of nonsense spouted about VK... And a lot of hindsight!...

I pointed out that we had wasted some of our budget and that our squad was very unbalanced a few weeks before the season started and everyone in here gave me tonnes of abuse with me being a clown the least offensive of that abuse but now you all could see it lol...

Yes, VK made a mess of that summer window, yes, he made a mess of selection, yes, he made a mess of the substitutions and he was also a lot slower learner than we expected. Still, he did learn and improve throughout the season, especially the last quarter...

Everyone thought it would take us 2 to 3 seasons to get promoted when he arrived so he's done it much faster than we thought and left us with some outstanding young talent... He had nothing left in the squad apart from maybe Brownhill to work with, totally rebuilt it and gave us some of the best football I have ever seen us play...

Considering what he inherited, after all those sales at the start, he has left us in a far stronger position, with a team worth far more than he started, that is irrefutable!... Many managers wouldn't have left us with anything compared to the potential we have now...

As I said, a lot of BS was said about him... He's not perfect at this stage of his career but neither were the names being mentioned here at that age or experience and I think he has a far higher ceiling than those touted for the job now... I guarantee he ends up having a far better career than any of the names mentioned in the comments to replace him anyway!

[CoolClaret]

Last season Moyes' West Ham were very much more defensive than Dyche, and worse at it.

What position in the league did West Ham finish last season?

[Mattster]

What position in the league did West Ham finish last season?

9th.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible fit for the club's stated direction, or that his side were awful defensively.

[kentonclaret]

I'd prefer to watch a Dyche side than a Moyes side by a mile.
Dyche likes a high press and tempo, getting the ball into the front areas quickly.

Only one team scored fewer goals than Everton in the PL last season and that was bottom club Sheffield United. The last 2 seasons under Dyche in the PL Burnley were one of the 3 lowest scoring teams. West Ham scored 20 goals more than Everton last season.

[CoolClaret]

9th.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible fit for the club's stated direction, or that his side were awful defensively.

Thanks.

Quite literally only 'tacticos' that are more bothered about over-complicating and obfuscating what is really quite a simple game could think that a manager that has had regular top half finishes and more than doubled our previous season's points tally is a poor decision.

You say that he's a terrible fit for the club without any substance; in this thread I have stated instances where he's done the player development/sale thing to great success... Tell me a signing Kompany has made in his prior 5 seasons as manager where the club has managed to sell the player for a decent return?

[daveisaclaret]

Moyes is a straight talker and a successful Premier League manager so I think it's fair to say he's a terrible fit while Pace is in charge.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m worried there are fans turning their nose up at Moyes

[Goliath]

Only one team scored fewer goals than Everton in the PL last season and that was bottom club Sheffield United. The last 2 seasons under Dyche in the PL Burnley were one of the 3 lowest scoring teams. West Ham scored 20 goals more than Everton last season.

Moyes had Bowen, Antonio, Ings, Pacqueta, Kudus, Rice, Lingard etc etc. Dyche had Calvert Lewin, Doucoure and Mcneil or going back to Burnley Barnes and Wood.
It's a bit of a difference

[Mattster]

Thanks.

Quite literally only 'tacticos' that are more bothered about over-complicating and obfuscating what is really quite a simple game could think that a manager that has had regular top half finishes and more than doubled our previous season's points tally is a poor decision.

You say that he's a terrible fit for the club without any substance; in this thread I have stated instances where he's done the player development/sale thing to great success... Tell me a signing Kompany has made in his prior 5 seasons as manager where the club has managed to sell the player for a decent return?

You named Rice, Paqueta, Kudus and Bowen. Only Rice have they actually sold so the others are hypotheticals (and Paqueta is practically worthless at this moment in time). But sure, I'll play, Sergio Gomez and Lokonga whilst at Anderlecht. Then if we're allowing hypotheticals there's no way we sell Odobert, Muric or Koleosho for anything but a profit. You could also look at what he did to the value of Tella and Maatsen.

I've been very clear about why he's a terrible fit and that's his tactical approach above all - I've given you the statistics to put substance on that. If you want to ignore them because it's "tactico" to say he doesn't coach possession based football when his team ranked 17th last season and 18th the season before then fine, no skin off my nose.