If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point

[Goliath]

Always maintained hope. There were some good performances in there which probably deserve more points. But I've been absolutely baffled that someone who knows the Premier League so well thinks it was anywhere near acceptable to be playing Vitinho at full back in this league.

You just can't play substandard players at that level and get away with it but he just continued picking him. When he picked him over Taylor I became very sceptical about his decision making. I don't think any other manager jn the division including Pep would have made that selection.

[PremierLeagueClass]

You've gotta give it up for Burnley fans.

I didn't think I'd ever see anything as cringeworthy as the wildly over-the-top emotional cryarseing that followed Coyle's departure but this thread is absolutely killing it.

He was spectacular for us two seasons ago but last season his playing philosophy wrote cheques his managerial skills couldn't cash; a very good young manager who found a massive step up a massive step too far. But now because he's wanted by (checks notes) Bayern Munich and fancies the crack at one of the biggest clubs in the world, he's a total smurf who was only using us and we're well rid of him.

Tell you what, we absolutely should go get Sam Allardyce or another past it dinosaur in. It's probably what a significant chunk of the fanbase actually want and absolutely what they deserve.

Spot on.

[spt_claret]

Spot on.

Only spot on if you're more a fan of Vincent Kompany than Burnley. But there's always got to be some people who belittle our own fans and act desperately holier than thou to seem clever, usually the same ones who are all too self-conscious about style or image. "We are Burnley, super Burnley. No one likes us we don't care" might be better served as "Please, please like us, we'll bend over backwards and run down our own club and fans if you'll like us".
Kompany was shown more faith, trust and loyalty than just about any manager I can think of, given the budget, budget in the context of the club's finances, and faith through poor results without tangible improvement for a lot of the time. He repaid that by jumping ship ASAP and deflecting all responsibility for his own failings, and no matter how far down the list of Bayern candidates he may have been, if you believe this could be concluded so quickly without him having feelers out before the end of season, I've some Saharan ice to sell you.

[chipbutty]

I thought the approach to the season was bizzare, then was pretty flabbergasted upon seeing the team sheet before the City game at home on Friday night to start the season.

After 3 games I knew we were toast... Switched off to it all really by about October when it was the same old every week.

Cullen & Muric's reintroduction brought at least a little bit of joy back to the season (for me) but I'll echo CT's comment above... Like, what a waste? Seems like the season was a colossal, and expensive waste of everyone's time.

And a massive amount of money, more thsn BFC have ever spent in a pre season, by a long way

[Jamesy]

Only spot on if you're more a fan of Vincent Kompany than Burnley. But there's always got to be some people who belittle our own fans and act desperately holier than thou to seem clever, usually the same ones who are all too self-conscious about style or image. "We are Burnley, super Burnley. No one likes us we don't care" might be better served as "Please, please like us, we'll bend over backwards and run down our own club and fans if you'll like us".
Kompany was shown more faith, trust and loyalty than just about any manager I can think of, given the budget, budget in the context of the club's finances, and faith through poor results without tangible improvement for a lot of the time. He repaid that by jumping ship ASAP and deflecting all responsibility for his own failings, and no matter how far down the list of Bayern candidates he may have been, if you believe this could be concluded so quickly without him having feelers out before the end of season, I've some Saharan ice to sell you.

This post is spot on and more like it.

[basil6345789]

At the beginning of this season when it was clear that his mind is a "closed system" ie does not have the ability to interact with it's environment.

[whiffa]

If you fell out with Kompany when was the turning point?

The moment he chose to leave without a goodbye or a thank you to us fans who stuck by him. I don't blame him for going, it's a huge opportunity for him. Just the way he's gone about it.

[Carlos the Great]

Way back when he never signed or at least made a realistic attempt to sign Tella … it showed a complete lack of respect to the player and an air of arrogance i found very unappealing

[Wokingclaret]

Way back when he never signed or at least made a realistic attempt to sign Tella … it showed a complete lack of respect to the player and an air of arrogance i found very unappealing

Not signing Tella and THB, signings too young.....alarm bells, then giving players who got us up the chance. Thought we were going down after Spurs at home.

[NottsClaret]

Already couldn’t care less about Kompany, he’s moved on and we need to do same instead of wallowing in it.

[BigAlClaret]

I think falling out is a bit harsh but like most I became aware of his limitations in early autumn (as opposed to the board's in summer)I'm sure there will be things on both sides we'll never know but by the end of the season this relationship had reached its natural end.I am surprised perhaps but not bitter, angry, upset or hurt like some,in fact quite uncaring about his departure. I suppose this in itself should trouble me most.

[andyh]

The fixture list looked really tough. Time for experience… no. Time to demoralise our young players! Really didn’t get his transfer business. We needed a left back that could play his system and some muscle in the centre…

[bfcjg]

This week.

[TheFamilyCat]

Way back when he never signed or at least made a realistic attempt to sign Tella … it showed a complete lack of respect to the player and an air of arrogance i found very unappealing

Was not signing Tella all on VK?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Enola makes sensible points but doesn’t make it clear if he should have been binned or supported (i.e. too good for one league, not good enough for the league above).

For me, not “falling out” but more when did doubts set in, with the arrogance of thinking he could bin off a successful team and build again when those of us wiser and older know if it isn’t broke don’t fix it. Didn’t take seriously the challenges of the market, which frankly, as a player, he would have no experience of.

Then, the disloyalty after he was shown plenty by giving him a full year to survive. I say that in the assumption his team were contacting many clubs to try to get an exit.

So, it took me a while to come to this view, but his tenure has on balance probably been a failure, all self inflicted having done the hard work.

The other thing wiser old heads know is the need to have a legacy as a manager and player. He now has none as a manager, at Anderlecht or at Burnley, and as a player only has it at City not for Belgium etc where they won nothing. I can’t help think he will regret this in years to come.

[Carlos the Great]

Was not signing Tella all on VK?

I’m not sure but he has had major involvement in the signings of all the other players … so I’m presuming if he wanted him he could have got him

[ClaretTony]

Was not signing Tella all on VK?

No from what I’m told. A certain video made that signing more difficult.

[fidelcastro]

No from what I’m told. A certain video made that signing more difficult.

Are you referring to the "Free Nathan Tella' video created by Pace's daughter?

[PremierLeagueClass]

No from what I’m told. A certain video made that signing more difficult.

I’d be interested to know who has told you that. Very interested.

[Healeywoodclaret]

Happy to move on now. This season was disastrous. The Manager failed spectacularly and worse showed extreme arrogance and zero loyalty to our Club. Goodbye Mr Kompany.

[Down_Rover]

I find it hard not to associate Kompany’s teign with that of John bond. Managers brought up on winning teams have little idea when the opposition are better or a scrap is required.
I just hope we recover quicker this time

[alf_resco]

I read this board every day but rarely post. If I don't post this week following extraordinary club happenings I suppose I never will, so here goes.
I wish VK all the best and every success in the future. I don't blame him one iota for leaving for Bayern - very few coaches would turn down the oportunity.
However, he must have been looking for a way out as at 4.50pm last Sunday he was talking about next season at BFC and by the same time 48 hrs later it was apparent he was off. Quick work indeed. So it would seem that his heart wasn't in it and if not Bayern it would soon have been somewhere else.
It looks like it's turned out well for Pace & BFC. We get rid of a bloke who : wanted away/ a chunk of the fans had had enough of/ had been found wanting at elite level/ upset various parties - take your pick ; and we get £Xm in compo. VK gets one of the top jobs in world football so everyone should be happy.
I never "fell out" with him but it was obvious things were not right very early on in the Prem. I posted in October that I thought something strange was going on behind the scenes; quite what, I didn't know (still don't).
Two things stood out for me: ditching most of the team that had stormed the Champ and the weird summer signings. In particular the signing of Trafford.
For whatever reason(s) VK decided Muric would no longer be the keeper. One would assume that any replacement would be an "oven-ready" established Prem keeper and an obvious upgrade on Muric. He was neither. It was apparent to me after watching Trafford live for half an hour he was not up to the job. There was (still is) constant talk of his "potential". Maybe, but you don't put a kid who's just passed his driving test behind the wheel of an articulated lorry. He may be a brilliant keeper in 5 yrs' time but he wasn't what we needed between the sticks last August. 28 games later VK comes to the same conclusion.
Tales of supposed bust-ups, cliques and blame-apportioning are now emerging but only those actually on the inside really know what's gone on.
It would appear the Augean stables are now in for a good clean and we all hope Pace gets the right replacement in and soon.
COYC. UTC. NNN.

[Vincent'sCap]

Why would anyone of our support fall out with Vincent,he's about to get one of the biggest jobs in world football,think it's called bettering yourself
Good Luck Vincent all the best and thanks for your brilliant efforts.

[claptrappers_union]

Once of worst managers the Premier League has ever seen though.

[LaLigaClaret]

I get it, VK gets offered a top job so would be a fool to turn it down. But..... He looks to have been engineering a move for some time. I loved our season in the Championship and one where I predicted very early on that we would walk away with it. However the truth was that the teams in that season apart from us were poor and it was one of the weakest standards for many a long year. To a large extent he gambled on young players and got lucky.

The PL season was largely embarrassing and truly best forgotten and it was down to his poor decision making, poor tactics, naivity, poor team selection and tactics. I made many posts regarding his truly bizarre transfer shenanigans. His first PL team selection of the year had me worried and he got it so wrong so many times.

Actually it was my wife who had it spot on. She said to me after every VK interview we saw in the close season before the PL that he had changed somehow and she questioned what was going on. At that stage she didn't know why it was but she was convinced that something had changed. When he started bringing in so many players she raised more questions especially with all the shenanigans over Tella, Maatsen, Trafford, Lakonga, TBH, Barnes and Ramsay. She thought that all the issues around these meant something was not right.

When Townsend and Redmond kept being played in friendlies she said to me that VK had far too large a squad and couldn't possibly know what his best team was and why was it he kept playing them. She then said to me that VK tries to portray an image of being a modern, young and exciting manager/coach who was great at developing young players who could greatly increase their value so puts out an air of confidence. However she then told me that the image was all a front and that he was bringing in all these young players as an insurance policy in case the Championship winning players weren't as good in the PL because he was a gambler and got lucky the season before. My wife went on to say that he also tried to put out an image that he could buy some more expensive players and could develope them further to try and enhance his image even further but players like Townsend and Redmond were another insurance policy he could turn to in case the younger players didn't work out.

She predicted correctly that VK wouldn't be picking many of the players from the Championship because he needed to show that he was getting even better players, she also mentioned not to be surprised if strange team selections were made and the team would struggle because he had totally confused himself. As soon as the Maatsen bid was made at the eleventh hour she said he was now panicked.

After the second PL game she turned to me and said he was going to use the PL season as an audition for another job and I said yes he will be after the Man City job but not for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. She said no way will he go from Burnley to Man City for two reasons, which were that he would first get another job elsewhere before then and secondly he will be found out and he will not get an offer to manage

[Swizzlestick]

Maybe your wife should be the manager?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why would anyone of our support fall out with Vincent,he's about to get one of the biggest jobs in world football,think it's called bettering yourself
Good Luck Vincent all the best and thanks for your brilliant efforts.

He’s a tosser

[LaLigaClaret]

Maybe your wife should be the manager?

Maybe because she clearly sussed VK out which is more than most on here.

[Jakubclaret]

I get it, VK gets offered a top job so would be a fool to turn it down. But..... He looks to have been engineering a move for some time. I loved our season in the Championship and one where I predicted very early on that we would walk away with it. However the truth was that the teams in that season apart from us were poor and it was one of the weakest standards for many a long year. To a large extent he gambled on young players and got lucky.

The PL season was largely embarrassing and truly best forgotten and it was down to his poor decision making, poor tactics, naivity, poor team selection and tactics. I made many posts regarding his truly bizarre transfer shenanigans. His first PL team selection of the year had me worried and he got it so wrong so many times.

Actually it was my wife who had it spot on. She said to me after every VK interview we saw in the close season before the PL that he had changed somehow and she questioned what was going on. At that stage she didn't know why it was but she was convinced that something had changed. When he started bringing in so many players she raised more questions especially with all the shenanigans over Tella, Maatsen, Trafford, Lakonga, TBH, Barnes and Ramsay. She thought that all the issues around these meant something was not right.

When Townsend and Redmond kept being played in friendlies she said to me that VK had far too large a squad and couldn't possibly know what his best team was and why was it he kept playing them. She then said to me that VK tries to portray an image of being a modern, young and exciting manager/coach who was great at developing young players who could greatly increase their value so puts out an air of confidence. However she then told me that the image was all a front and that he was bringing in all these young players as an insurance policy in case the Championship winning players weren't as good in the PL because he was a gambler and got lucky the season before. My wife went on to say that he also tried to put out an image that he could buy some more expensive players and could develope them further to try and enhance his image even further but players like Townsend and Redmond were another insurance policy he could turn to in case the younger players didn't work out.

She predicted correctly that VK wouldn't be picking many of the players from the Championship because he needed to show that he was getting even better players, she also mentioned not to be surprised if strange team selections were made and the team would struggle because he had totally confused himself. As soon as the Maatsen bid was made at the eleventh hour she said he was now panicked.

After the second PL game she turned to me and said he was going to use the PL season as an audition for another job and I said yes he will be after the Man City job but not for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. She said no way will he go from Burnley to Man City for two reasons, which were that he would first get another job elsewhere before then and secondly he will be found out and he will not get an offer to manage

It was engineered it's clear now I've never seen a man smirk & laugh during the post match defeat interviews, but when mentioned on here it was vociferously defended by some as a man displaying his natural carefree relaxed demeanor essential for team building. It will never get admitted by some people that idolized him & could see no fault & even changed their username to reflect the admiration.

[CoolClaret]

After the second PL game she turned to me and said he was going to use the PL season as an audition for another job and I said yes he will be after the Man City job but not for at least another 2 or 3 seasons. She said no way will he go from Burnley to Man City for two reasons, which were that he would first get another job elsewhere before then and secondly he will be found out and he will not get an offer to manage

Yeah any sensible manager wouldn't have kept playing Amdouni and Trafford - it's that simple. We could've easily brought the defensive line 10/15 yards deeper, sacrificed Amdouni for another midfielder and tried to counter-attack more.

From a Burnley perspective it was a complete waste of a season and a painful one to sit through. He's lucky that Pace gave him a fat extension in the summer because otherwise I think he'd have been potted.

[Vincent'sCap]

He’s a tosser

Not unlike you then

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not unlike you then

Let me guess your a VK cheerleader haha

[warksclaret]

Maybe your wife should be the manager?

Or maybe involved in the interviewing-fair does to her

[warksclaret]

Yeah any sensible manager wouldn't have kept playing Amdouni and Trafford - it's that simple. We could've easily brought the defensive line 10/15 yards deeper, sacrificed Amdouni for another midfielder and tried to counter-attack more.

From a Burnley perspective it was a complete waste of a season and a painful one to sit through. He's lucky that Pace gave him a fat extension in the summer because otherwise I think he'd have been potted.

Yes he was fortunate to survive-most teams would have potted him. Also very lucky so many turned the Bayern Munich job down. And last but not least the Chairman is lucky he did not have to make a tough call on him during the season, when potentially he could have brought in more players from abroad and we could have been in a bigger mess squad wise. Clean start with lots to do but we are already in a better position than 4 weeks ago

[Ric_C]

Anyone else find it odd that Kompany hasn't released a quote yet about his time at Burnley? Thanking the fans for their support and the club for the opportunity etc?

The longer his silence goes on, the more I'm wondering that he's not going to say anything at all, which would be extremely poor from his point of view and also strange in the grand scheme of things.

[warksclaret]

Anyone else find it odd that Kompany hasn't released a quote yet about his time at Burnley? Thanking the fans for their support and the club for the opportunity etc?

The longer his silence goes on, the more I'm wondering that he's not going to say anything at all, which would be extremely poor from his point of view and also strange in the grand scheme of things.

I think the moment has passed for him to say some kind words to the club and fan base. It took around a week or just more from rumour to him being confirmed as the new manager at BM. Plenty of time for a caring person to have something ready to go, the minute everything had been confirmed by both clubs. If he had been sacked or left under a cloud you would not expect it, but when the owner has shown huge loyalty, and when you were the key reason the club got relegated , then you do owe both a few kind words.

[CoolClaret]

Anyone else find it odd that Kompany hasn't released a quote yet about his time at Burnley? Thanking the fans for their support and the club for the opportunity etc?

The longer his silence goes on, the more I'm wondering that he's not going to say anything at all, which would be extremely poor from his point of view and also strange in the grand scheme of things.

Any truly humble, proper bloke would've opened up his initial presser with a quick 10 seconds thanking Burnley - the club, the board and the fans for the opportunity to manage the club, wishing that things ended a different way and giving us the best for the future. Then on to Bayern.

The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.

[morninbob]

He didn't even say the word Burnley.

[Claretitus]

If VK was dying of thirst, I wouldn’t pay him the courtesy of pis***g down his throat. As stated earlier in this thread, the fella is a tosser.

[RammyClaret61]

However the truth was that the teams in that season apart from us were poor and it was one of the weakest standards for many a long year. To a large extent he gambled on young players and got lucky.

Just taking the team that secured the championship at Ewood. 11 players 25 years or older of the 18 on duty. Not exactly young.

[Goliath]

He didn't even say the word Burnley.

Starting to think he might be trying to brush last season under the carpet to protect his reputation.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't say anything at all in terms of a thanks and goodbye.

I did raise a few question marks about his commitment to the club and the town mid season when I realised I'd hardly seem doing any community stuff in the town or seemingly create any link with the town whatsoever.
At that point I did start to have a few alarm bells but I didn't think he'd just walk away without saying a word.

[Vincent'sCap]

Let me guess your a VK cheerleader haha

No not a cheerleader I kinda appreciate what he did for the club when we were left with a lot of older players at the end of their careers and of course the 100 + points he got us in the Championship Burnley or Bayern? No contest
Good Luck Vincent hope you smash it.