Next manager

[Rileybobs]

Or clubs with the best players appoint coaches who can dominate games (greater possession) for a reason because it gives the best chance of success? Btw Ipswich certainly didn’t have the best players.

There will be an element of both. Leeds and Soton were always likely to have more than 50% possession because they have better players. Ipswich I would agree, have been successful as a result of a possession-heavy system.

[Vim Fuego]

9th.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible fit for the club's stated direction, or that his side were awful defensively.

It is quite simple. The club needs to change the stated direction. This season has been an abject failure. We need to get back to effective football and winning games

[Goliath]

Was the strategy that wrong? We could have stayed up comfortably with the strategy we used but for terrible team selection, bad luck with VAR and as we are finding out poor discipline behind the scenes.
If for example we had Keiran Mckenna not Kompany last season, you could see us being a bit more sensible and staying up quite easily.

[Steddyman]

The obvious choice is Graham Potter because he has more experience including many years at that Scandinavian club, plus his teams played a similar style to us and BHA are probably the club we are attempting to copy and he would have a lot of behind the scenes info.

Would he come? If the Man Utd job misses him, he may. What other options are there apart from his former clubs? 12 months he could be back in the Premier League. Probably feels he has done his stint abroad hence Ajax not signing him. Also, the environment at Burnley is likely to be conducive to success, as opposed to somewhere like Forest and Everton with all their politics.

After that, Cooper. He has a great face for radio and won’t sell many US Youtube clips, but he has a lot of experience with young players including England U18s and his time with the Liverpool Academy.

I just hope we don’t duff the choice up because we really are now in the last chance saloon with 2 years parachutes left and no benefactor, thanks for that Vincent.

I think Potter has already proved he will jump as soon as a better offer comes in for him, and that isn't what we need to finish the 'Project'.

Cooper would be the better option. Even better would be ETH once he is sacked, but probably no chance he would come to us.

[Carlos the Great]

Can’t blame VK for leaving … it’s what happens when your not Man City ..be thankful we got 10 million and it didn’t cost us 10 million to get rid of him at Xmas

[Row Z]

I think Potter has already proved he will jump as soon as a better offer comes in for him, and that isn't what we need to finish the 'Project'.

Cooper would be the better option. Even better would be ETH once he is sacked, but probably no chance he would come to us.

Similar situation to VK, who wouldn’t take the opportunity? The length of Potter’s contract at Chelsea combined with new ownership perhaps also suggested that he was brought in under the pretence of a long term project…

Sure he’ll have learnt from it and he is exactly the profile we should be looking at to take our club forward. The concern would be that if he’s turning down Ajax and he’s being linked with Man United, why would he come to the Championship? If he fails with us then his reputation would be in tatters compared to failing at a big side.

[claretspice]

Cooper’s Forest had 50% possession in their promotion season (10th highest) and 37% in the Prem (lowest). His Swansea team had 50%. Not that I think this stat is significant but not sure how it equates to him playing possession football.

Cooper is a manager who has preached incisive ball on the ground football and wants his sides to play from the back. Think we can overdo the stats.

The Nottingham Post said of Cooper in a piece at the end of the promotion season: "As soon as he arrived on Trentside, the former Swansea City boss set about ensuring his side had an identity. Whoever they face, in whatever competition, the aim is to play entertaining, attractive, attacking football." Other articled say similar things - he wants his teams to get the ball down and play. His England youth teams played a very progressive style.

[It Is What It Is]

How long would it take JJ WATT to get his coaching badge?

[ecc]

Plymouth have done us a favour. Crazy how chairmen act.

[warksclaret]

THe VK compensation is actually equivalent to about £25m, because from what I am reading tonight the dressing room was so bad that he would have been going by Oct/Nov, and I guess the compensation to fire him could well have been roughly £12m. Add the compensation we got today with this and it equates to being £25m better off

[Hedontplayforyou]

What have you been reading regarding the dressing room?

[CrosspoolClarets]

THe VK compensation is actually equivalent to about £25m, because from what I am reading tonight the dressing room was so bad that he would have been going by Oct/Nov, and I guess the compensation to fire him could well have been roughly £12m. Add the compensation we got today with this and it equates to being £25m better off

I’d also note the receipts aren’t certain to be as reported, there could be other sweeteners to close the gap. Loans, performance clauses, maybe even a 3rd party payment not directly between the clubs. We will never know. Whichever way we look at it, the outcome may or may not be a disaster, but at least it isn’t a financial one.

[warksclaret]

What have you been reading regarding the dressing room?

What I read on this Board under the VK To Bayern Munich thread. When you read what CT says about the relationship between VK and the players (I think the word toxic is used), you realise it must have been a dreadful environment in the dressing room. CT is not in the habit of making things up.Others have supported this with tales of major unrest with the players.Remember seeing the video on Kompany absolutely losing it with the Anderlect players several years ago -for me it shows what he is capable of.Not exactly a motivational manager

[boatshed bill]

What I read on this Board under the VK To Bayern Munich thread. When you read what CT says about the relationship between VK and the players (I think the word toxic is used), you realise it must have been a dreadful environment in the dressing room. CT is not in the habit of making things up.Others have supported this with tales of major unrest with the players.Remember seeing the video on Kompany absolutely losing it with the Anderlect players several years ago -for me it shows what he is capable of.Not exactly a motivational manager

Well he seemed all right when we got promoted.
I've said all along: there are plenty looking for any stick to hit VK with. A video of him shouting at players proves nothing about his management, and much more about the posters who feel the need to prove that he is/was shite.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Well he seemed all right when we got promoted.
I've said all along: there are plenty looking for any stick to hit VK with. A video of him shouting at players proves nothing about his management, and much more about the posters who feel the need to prove that he is/was shite.

He was shite in the Premier League though.

Say what you see and all that.

[Jakubclaret]

Well he seemed all right when we got promoted.
I've said all along: there are plenty looking for any stick to hit VK with. A video of him shouting at players proves nothing about his management, and much more about the posters who feel the need to prove that he is/was shite.

There's been a lot of made up bullsh1t for sure in the aftermath of the BM interest. I'm not particularly fond of the man or the way he's gone about things but outrightly lying about things & making stuff up deserves to be called out. Why didn't all this emerge before & why it's taken until now.

[Hedontplayforyou]

What I read on this Board under the VK To Bayern Munich thread. When you read what CT says about the relationship between VK and the players (I think the word toxic is used), you realise it must have been a dreadful environment in the dressing room. CT is not in the habit of making things up.Others have supported this with tales of major unrest with the players.Remember seeing the video on Kompany absolutely losing it with the Anderlect players several years ago -for me it shows what he is capable of.Not exactly a motivational manager

There’s an awful lot to syphon through on there so thanks for the reply.

Given the huge overhaul in players it’s not surprising that at least a few of them were not happy at how they were treated . Zaroury,Benson and Muric the obvious candidates

[Hibsclaret]

If it was as toxic as some are making out we wouldn't have largely improved between the 10th March and the 27th April when we lost 1 game in 8 (a game in which we were the better side in the first half and lost due to a howler followed by a sending off). I think it’s very easy to jump on this sort of stuff when second hand information gets banded about but I didn’t see a team with an air of toxicity at Chelsea or United.

I think people fail to understand how difficult it is to play our style of football at the very top level against teams full of better players. Whether it was wise to do that or not is another matter but to suggest the whole place was toxic is at odds with the performance improvement that was visual to us watching. I wish Vinny all the best and hope that whoever the successor is can continue possession based football and our Championship levels of our last 3 seasons at that level. If they can get near 101 points or even have just the 5 losses of the previous 2 campaigns I will be very surprised and that’s starting from a better platform of playing options than either of our last 2 managers had.

[Belgianclaret]

If there’s one major lesson to be learnt from this it’s not to give any manager the full control on any signings

[Pearcey]

If there’s one major lesson to be learnt from this it’s not to give any manager the full control on any signings

A manager should always have a final say on signings for me.

[warksclaret]

If it was as toxic as some are making out we wouldn't have largely improved between the 10th March and the 27th April when we lost 1 game in 8 (a game in which we were the better side in the first half and lost due to a howler followed by a sending off). I think it’s very easy to jump on this sort of stuff when second hand information gets banded about but I didn’t see a team with an air of toxicity at Chelsea or United.

I think people fail to understand how difficult it is to play our style of football at the very top level against teams full of better players. Whether it was wise to do that or not is another matter but to suggest the whole place was toxic is at odds with the performance improvement that was visual to us watching. I wish Vinny all the best and hope that whoever the successor is can continue possession based football and our Championship levels of our last 3 seasons at that level. If they can get near 101 points or even have just the 5 losses of the previous 2 campaigns I will be very surprised and that’s starting from a better platform of playing options than either of our last 2 managers had.

Hear what you are saying Hibs, but improvement post 10 March ??? We won two games post 10 March, running to the final game-against 10 man Brentford and Sheffield Utd. I would argue a large part of the improvement was from re-instating Muric and Cullen. Yes there's a lot of words being spoken about the relationship between manager and squad, and maybe we are over reacting. However when people leave clubs or senior posts in companies that's when the truth has a habit of coming out, as people feel less threatened and open up. I take things with a pinch of salt but when CT opens up I tend to believe it

[NewClaret]

A manager should always have a final say on signings for me.

I agree.

I think Belgianclarets point was that they shouldn’t have “full control” and I also agree with that.

But I don’t believe for one minute Kompany did, I think it’ll have all been a collective decision between the recruitment team, Pace, Kompany, Williams, etc.

Pace has spoken before about the committee he set up to deal with transfers.

I still think we’ll end up signing some the players we’d identified prior to this summer. For example, we wouldn’t pull out of JBL deals or Assignon if they wanted to join… and expect we’re still working on LB targets identified but maybe run past any new manager.

[taio]

A manager should always have a final say on signings for me.

No, the Board should.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

No, the Board should.

Exactly, the board have the long term future of the club in mind (or at least they should have). Managers unchecked with the final say on transfers can end up spending the best part of £100m and then walk off into the sunset when it all goes wrong....

[AGENT_CLARET]

If there’s one major lesson to be learnt from this it’s not to give any manager the full control on any signings

Full control of the player's he'd like in yes but not full control on the amount you spend on each individual player and the total squad

[Pearcey]

No, the Board should.

The manager tells the board who he wants, the board say yes or no, that’s obvious. The manager should have final say on the players he wants though.

[Indecisive]

At the end of the day Kompanys gone and the rumours about the backroom stuff just don't make a difference.

It's easy to feel there's a bit of agenda about him because of a variety reasons such of this seasons results, the fact he's leaving now, and the fact that clearly there's been a lot of changes at the club, with long serving staff going... and with that it's been relatively clear on some of their stances on Pace, Kompany and the leadership. For someone with little to no understanding of the politics at the club, its hard to hold too much weight to the rumours of all the toxicity and upset.

I totally appreciate some may feel uncomfortable with the direction the clubs going. I've mixed feelings, but for me it's just mainly instinct. I don't generally like the direction of football and finances in general. It feels like we right now as vulnerable as the majority of clubs.

What I do feel is this next appointment is really crucial. I have no idea which way its going to go. As much as I would love another 2022/23 season, it feels like we need a sensible appointment. I'd feel pretty comfortable with Moyes if if was a possibility. Cooper ticks a lot of boxes. The likes of knutsen /will still or the wild suggestions of people like Fabregas just feel too risky.

[burnley007]

I wonder when we'll start to hear the rumours of new managers.

Hopefully now that the VK saga is closing, we can move on.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I wonder when we'll start to hear the rumours of new managers.

Hopefully now that the VK saga is closing, we can move on.

Yeh, not really had a link as such yet barring Rosenior from Tavaliori .

For me he’s an easy link to make , out of work, attempted a decent style of football, young and will probably get another shot at it somewhere in the championship.

Not the one I’d want personally but it’s a very hard decision which is about to be cast by the board.

Cooper would be on the shortlist for sure , do we try to be more ambitious perhaps and approach Potter? Again not sure if he’s set his sights higher or possibly returning to Brighton.

I do think Pace and co will want that big name again to give the club a bit of extra pull, but who?

[AGENT_CLARET]

After a few day's of thinking about it two name's stick out for me Steve Cooper and David Moyes.

Cooper just edges it because of his championship experience and for me should be our No1 choice and if he becomes our new manager could he raid Forest for a few players

[RVclaret]

Nixon saying we have Cooper and Lampard on the list.

[burnmark]

Nixon saying Cooper and Lampard are on ‘the list’ of three.

[Firthy]

Nixon saying we have Cooper and Lampard on the list.

Please not Lampard, would be a train wreck with him in charge. He's done absolutely nothing despite having some very good players under him.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Nixon saying Cooper and Lampard are on ‘the list’ of three.

Lampard !!!! friggin hell I'd rather have his wife being our next manager

[Spijed]

Lampard....

I'd rather have Brian Laws in charge

[Holtyclaret]

Don’t be surprised if it’s lamps. He’s been snapped a few times with JJ over the last year.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Please not Lampard - if it is though we have to back him and hope he’s learned from his mistakes

[blatherwickstattoos]

What I read on this Board under the VK To Bayern Munich thread. When you read what CT says about the relationship between VK and the players (I think the word toxic is used), you realise it must have been a dreadful environment in the dressing room. CT is not in the habit of making things up.Others have supported this with tales of major unrest with the players.Remember seeing the video on Kompany absolutely losing it with the Anderlect players several years ago -for me it shows what he is capable of.Not exactly a motivational manager

I heard this way back at the start of the season and started a thread about it ‘has vk lost the dressing room’

I was ridiculed at the time for suggesting what I had heard was untrue

[Firthy]

Please not Lampard - if it is though we have to back him and hope he’s learned from his mistakes

What mistakes?? He's just a crap manager. Good players don't always make good managers.

[Rileybobs]

Lampard didn’t make any mistakes. His players just didn’t do what he told them to do.

[daveisaclaret]

Is Nixon reliable? Lampard would be a comically bad decision

[NewClaret]

Don’t be surprised if it’s lamps. He’s been snapped a few times with JJ over the last year.

Really? I haven’t seen that.

That’s worrying.

[ervi34]

Lampard would be an absolutely shocking appointment. I will always give manager a chance, but I'm afraid bringing him in would kill our season even before it starts. The only positive is that he would probably help us bring in decent players on loan.

[NewClaret]

Is Nixon reliable? Lampard would be a comically bad decision

This is why I was very worried when it became clear VK was leaving.

[jojomk1]

Lampard didn’t make any mistakes. His players just didn’t do what he told them to do.

Or maybe his players couldn't do what he told them ?

Similar to last season when VK thought all these young guys would take to the Premier League without many problems

The art of any good manager is to maximise existing potential but not ask for the sky

[warksclaret]

I heard this way back at the start of the season and started a thread about it ‘has vk lost the dressing room’

I was ridiculed at the time for suggesting what I had heard was untrue

Blatherwick-I think more might come out in the coming weeks.At least we move on-fresh start

[Quicknick]

Not Lampard, please!

[blatherwickstattoos]

Blatherwick-I think more might come out in the coming weeks.At least we move on-fresh start

Yeah I think so too. Probably best for all parties. Player cliques, players disagreeing with VK then getting shipped out on loan or stuck on the sidelines. It’s a little bit like when Dyche tinkered with squad players for European games and a lot of the players who got us there were not happy.

Fresh slate needed but from the tales I’ve been told VK was a bit of a big time bell end

[Hedontplayforyou]

Lampard didn’t make any mistakes. His players just didn’t do what he told them to do.

Don’t confuse this for me sticking up for Lampard but if you’re not very good then you are clearly making mistakes somewhere along the line, what makes you better is if you eventually learn from them and put it to practice.

I don’t want Lampard at all but if he arrives then we must back him

[It Is What It Is]

After a few day's of thinking about it two name's stick out for me Steve Cooper and David Moyes.

Cooper just edges it because of his championship experience and for me should be our No1 choice and if he becomes our new manager could he raid Forest for a few players

Chris Woods, Elanga and Hudson Odoiwould be a good start!