Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Hedontplayforyou]

That’s Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle all linked to z Trafford so far. Get an auction going with a nice sell on clause inserted

[Pearcey]

I imagine we would be trying to get a lot of clauses in there

I’d certainly add ‘claiming a cross whilst under pressure’ in there. We may not receive anything though.

[NewClaret]

I imagine we would be trying to get a lot of clauses in there

Yea, agreed. Although I’d say of the linked clubs it’s only really Newcastle you’d expect to see as a steppingstone club. The rest could be his final destination!

[Goliath]

Yea, agreed. Although I’d say of the linked clubs it’s only really Newcastle you’d expect to see as a steppingstone club. The rest could be his final destination!

Yep I was thinking about clauses for internationals, appearances and winning certain trophies etc

[Swizzlestick]

Crikey if we can get north of £30m for Kompany and Trafford, Pace will probably think he's in some kind of fever dream.

[NewClaret]

Yep I was thinking about clauses for internationals, appearances and winning certain trophies etc

Sorry, misunderstood you - yes, good point.

[NewClaret]

Crikey if we can get north of £30m for Kompany and Trafford, Pace will probably think he's in some kind of fever dream.

Will keep saying this but I think our previous summers business will end up being very profitable financially.

[RVclaret]

Penny for the thoughts of certain ‘fans’ who’ve spent all season telling everyone we’d struggle to get back more than £5m for Trafford.

[bobinho]

Huddersfield offer Rodriguez a contract

And that’s the second piece of positive news. See! Things are looking up already.

[123EasyasBFC]

There are some players we will make a loss on and some we might just break even on. Any club buying Trafford is going to pay English tax

[Newcastleclaret93]

There are some players we will make a loss on and some we might just break even on. Any club buying Trafford is going to pay English tax

We will no doubt end up just breaking even Trafford.

Which I guess in this scenario is not bad. I’m just annoyed VK has killed his career with us. I like the lad but unfortunately I don’t think it will ever work here now

[Jakubs Tash]

We will no doubt end up just breaking even Trafford.

Which I guess in this scenario is not bad. I’m just annoyed VK has killed his career with us. I like the lad but unfortunately I don’t think it will ever work here now

No doubt? How can you be so certain?

He cost us £14m (that was the initial outlay). I’m fairly ‘certain’ we can get more than that for him. He seems to have a great reputation within the game and there seems to be plenty who see his potential. I personally think we’ll make a profit. I guess we’ll see….

[123EasyasBFC]

No doubt? How can you be so certain?

He cost us £14m (that was the initial outlay). I’m fairly ‘certain’ we can get more than that for him. He seems to have a great reputation within the game and there seems to be plenty who see his potential. I personally think we’ll make a profit. I guess we’ll see….

When you factor in the sell on fee to city I think it’s about right to say we will break even on Trafford

[123EasyasBFC]

We will no doubt end up just breaking even Trafford.

Which I guess in this scenario is not bad. I’m just annoyed VK has killed his career with us. I like the lad but unfortunately I don’t think it will ever work here now

Yes the issue is solely on kompany and his decision making, Muric should have started the season, made a few mistakes and then Trafford comes in.

I think goalkeeper is one position you really can’t take a 15m chance on a young lad unless you have a huge pot of money to throw away.

Who knows a new manager might not want us to play out from the back and might set us up better from set pieces that wouldn’t have Trafford in the firing line. But his relationship with Burnley fans is probably done

[Jakubs Tash]

When you factor in the sell on fee to city I think it’s about right to say we will break even on Trafford

Sell on fees are usually a percentage of profit. So unless it’s 100% of profit we’ll make money - especially when the fee being mentioned at the this point is £20m.

[123EasyasBFC]

Sell on fees are usually a percentage of profit. So unless it’s 100% of profit we’ll make money - especially when the fee being mentioned at the this point is £20m.

Either percentage of profit or just percentage of sale, not sure which it is but if we only sell him for 20m we I’ll just about break even on him.

This is the issue with the ‘model’ when you are relegated, we are no longer selling these players we bought cheap for profit, we are selling them to cover the loss in TV money next season

[Newcastleclaret93]

No doubt? How can you be so certain?

He cost us £14m (that was the initial outlay). I’m fairly ‘certain’ we can get more than that for him. He seems to have a great reputation within the game and there seems to be plenty who see his potential. I personally think we’ll make a profit. I guess we’ll see….

None of us know the exact figures, we are tending to use the lower figure quoted (14m) because it suits our narrative. For example at City’s end there fans believe they got 18m rising 20m.

I personally think we have paid around 15-16m as the original sum potentially rising to 17-18m for him being called up to the England squad and making a load of premier league appearances.

By the time you add in our sell on percentage I think we will probably break even.

[morninbob]

None of us know the exact figures, we are tending to use the lower figure quoted (14m) because it suits our narrative. For example at City’s end there fans believe they got 18m rising 20m.

I personally think we have paid around 15-16m as the original sum potentially rising to 17-18m for him being called up to the England squad and making a load of premier league appearances.

By the time you add in our sell on percentage I think we will probably break even.

Not a chance, a large percentage of the original fee will have been dependent on us staying up.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not a chance, a large percentage of the original fee will have been dependent on us staying up.

There is no way city will of agreed to have part of a fee to be paid if we stay up, that doesn’t make any business sense from city’s point of view

[RVclaret]

There is no way city will of agreed to have part of a fee to be paid if we stay up, that doesn’t make any business sense from city’s point of view

It happens. Rutter at Leeds was reported to cost 35m at the time, turns out it was 24m because they didn’t stay up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not a chance, a large percentage of the original fee will have been dependent on us staying up.

They didn’t do that with Bazanu at Southampton? So why would they do it with us?

There’s no way in hell city sold us a player with a large portion of the fee being dependant on staying up

[Jakubs Tash]

Either percentage of profit or just percentage of sale, not sure which it is but if we only sell him for 20m we I’ll just about break even on him.

This is the issue with the ‘model’ when you are relegated, we are no longer selling these players we bought cheap for profit, we are selling them to cover the loss in TV money next season

Not a chance it’ll be a percentage of sale. These are almost always percentage of profit.

[Jakubs Tash]

None of us know the exact figures, we are tending to use the lower figure quoted (14m) because it suits our narrative. For example at City’s end there fans believe they got 18m rising 20m.

I personally think we have paid around 15-16m as the original sum potentially rising to 17-18m for him being called up to the England squad and making a load of premier league appearances.

By the time you add in our sell on percentage I think we will probably break even.

There’s no narrative. The fee was reported at £14m up front by many journos. The £19m was the max package and would depend on lots of things like staying up, playing full international football etc. You’re the one with the narrative….again.

[TsarBomba]

Luton looking at Ben Sheaf.

Could do with his physical presence and leadership in the middle.

[morninbob]

There is no way city will of agreed to have part of a fee to be paid if we stay up, that doesn’t make any business sense from city’s point of view

It's the way we've always done it, teams get more of we stay up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

There’s no narrative. The fee was reported at £14m up front by many journos. The £19m was the max package and would depend on lots of things like staying up, playing full international football etc. You’re the one with the narrative….again.

No I’m saying that none of us know the truth, the 14m is is what some journos said, others said it was a 20m deal.

I gave my opinion I think regardless we will end up breaking even.

[NewClaret]

None of us know the exact figures, we are tending to use the lower figure quoted (14m) because it suits our narrative. For example at City’s end there fans believe they got 18m rising 20m.

I personally think we have paid around 15-16m as the original sum potentially rising to 17-18m for him being called up to the England squad and making a load of premier league appearances.

By the time you add in our sell on percentage I think we will probably break even.

It was very widely reported to be £14m rising to £19m with addons. Some of which may have been triggered given England call ups and 28 apps.

Sell on % will only apply to profit so we’ll have to make one of them before that kicks in.

It’s very unlikely the £20m is going to be the final price with three clubs already expressing an interest and Kompany off to Munich with a 38yo keeper.

We won’t sell him this early in summer and rightly so. We’re getting big money for him one way or the other (this summer or in future). Alan won’t be in any rush.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It was very widely reported to be £14m rising to £19m with addons. Some of which may have been triggered given England call ups and 28 apps.

Sell on % will only apply to profit so we’ll have to make one of them before that kicks in.

It’s very unlikely the £20m is going to be the final price with three clubs already expressing an interest and Kompany off to Munich with a 38yo keeper.

We won’t sell him this early in summer and rightly so. We’re getting big money for him one way or the other (this summer or in future). Alan won’t be in any rush.

100% if there’s a bidding war we will be laughing. But based on the 20m stated I think that breaks us even.

I reckon we need to be looking at 25m plus for him

[NewClaret]

100% if there’s a bidding war we will be laughing. But based on the 20m stated I think that breaks us even.

I reckon we need to be looking at 25m plus for him

I think £20m will be a small profit - £14m + add ons triggered (say £2m) = £4m profit less 20% (the reported sell on fee) = £3.2m.

It’ll be fairly small beer if sold at £20m but since we won’t be selling him for that much a pretty pointless discussion at this stage.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Trafford to Bayern Munich would be the next ideal rumour

[warksclaret]

Luton looking at Ben Sheaf.

Could do with his physical presence and leadership in the middle.

THats why the next manager needs to have good knowledge of Championship players. THere are some gems there including Sheaf, and guess many would jump at the thought of joining our club

[TheFamilyCat]

THats why the next manager needs to have good knowledge of Championship players. THere are some gems there including Sheaf, and guess many would jump at the thought of joining our club

I think Iain Dowie's available.

[Culmclaret]

If we get anything for Trafford it will be a steal. He may be ok one day but he is bobbins now and his confidence must be in tatters thanks to that charlatan keeping him in the shop window for half a season too long

[NL Claret]

Bizarre how some still love to criticise Trafford yet hold the keeper who made 2 absolute howlers resulting in relegation in the highest regard. If Trafford goes on to have a great career that will really annoy some posters, they cannot move on from him. Trafford would benefit from playing in a team with players who have PL ability. Really hope he goes, not based on performance just the hope that he stops getting criticised on here.

[NewClaret]

Bizarre how some still love to criticise Trafford yet hold the keeper who made 2 absolute howlers resulting in relegation in the highest regard. If Trafford goes on to have a great career that will really annoy some posters, they cannot move on from him. Trafford would benefit from playing in a team with players who have PL ability. Really hope he goes, not based on performance just the hope that he stops getting criticised on here.

There was a lot on the pitch that disappointed me this year but the hate displayed for Trafford by some of our fans was so disgraceful. He’s a young lad and it wasn’t his fault he was a) bought, b) played, c) played in front of players who weren’t up to the required standard.

He also made some worldie saves that kept us in many games and, as much as I preferred Muric, as you say he made some costly howlers and many others that could’ve proved more costly.

I’ll be disappointed if Traff goes so early in to his career but accept it might be one we have to sacrifice. In years to come I think we’ll consider £20-£25m for him an absolute steal.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Bizarre how some still love to criticise Trafford yet hold the keeper who made 2 absolute howlers resulting in relegation in the highest regard

Relegation was down to Kompany not Trafford or
Muric, and it was because of the full season not two game's

[PremierLeagueClass]

Bizarre how some still love to criticise Trafford yet hold the keeper who made 2 absolute howlers resulting in relegation in the highest regard. If Trafford goes on to have a great career that will really annoy some posters, they cannot move on from him. Trafford would benefit from playing in a team with players who have PL ability. Really hope he goes, not based on performance just the hope that he stops getting criticised on here.

Spot on. I can’t ever remember a time where there has been so many posts I’ve read and can’t believe what I’m seeing. Doesn’t help when you have morons like the guy behind me at Turf Moor shouting at Trafford, calling him a “pink xxxxx” every time he touched the ball.

Some of them find their way on here unfortunately and shout just as loud…

[wilks_bfc]

There was a lot on the pitch that disappointed me this year but the hate displayed for Trafford by some of our fans was so disgraceful. He’s a young lad and it wasn’t his fault he was a) bought, b) played, c) played in front of players who weren’t up to the required standard.

He also made some worldie saves that kept us in many games and, as much as I preferred Muric, as you say he made some costly howlers and many others that could’ve proved more costly.

I’ll be disappointed if Traff goes so early in to his career but accept it might be one we have to sacrifice. In years to come I think we’ll consider £20-£25m for him an absolute steal.

Totally agree with this.

People saying he’s “bobbins” really don’t know anything

He’s a young, inexperienced keeper, that was thrown under the bus by his manager.

Kompany should have used the Cup games and selective premier league games to play Trafford to get that experience but instead he stubbornly played him with no protection

[NewClaret]

Totally agree with this.

People saying he’s “bobbins” really don’t know anything

He’s a young, inexperienced keeper, that was thrown under the bus by his manager.

Kompany should have used the Cup games and selective premier league games to play Trafford to get that experience but instead he stubbornly played him with no protection

Yes, it was Kompany showing his lack of experience (see how Brighton managed Verbruggen) and not that Trafford was a bad signing.

We had posters on here saying he’d lost all his value or we’d be lucky to get £500k for him or whatever. Now we have 3 of the country’s biggest teams linked to him and he’s in the provisional England squad. All those teams of footballing experts know nothing, obviously.

Just shows you should never listen to the hyperbole on football message boards.

[Goliath]

He should have rotated goalkeepers as De Zerbi had done. I suggested having two number ones on here earlier in the season and got shot down. It seemed like a no brainer, Muric for the games where we were going to dominate possession.

[Swizzlestick]

He should have rotated goalkeepers as De Zerbi had done. I suggested having two number ones on here earlier in the season and got shot down. It seemed like a no brainer, Muric for the games where we were going to dominate possession.

Still doesn’t really make sense as there weren’t many games in the PL where we dominated possession - so Trafford would be playing the majority. And frankly, despite the prevailing narrative, Muric looked the better option in classic goalkeeping areas like command of box etc. Also didn’t Brighton only rotate for a few weeks - seemed to settle on Verbruggen as first choice as the season went on.

[Goliath]

Still doesn’t really make sense as there weren’t many games in the PL where we dominated possession - so Trafford would be playing the majority. And frankly, despite the prevailing narrative, Muric looked the better option in classic goalkeeping areas like command of box etc. Also didn’t Brighton only rotate for a few weeks - seemed to settle on Verbruggen as first choice as the season went on.

I thought there was a fair few but regardless it could have been rotated however you wanted. Then you get game time into Trafford to help his development.

[Swizzlestick]

I thought there was a fair few but regardless it could have been rotated however you wanted. Then you get game time into Trafford to help his development.

Average possession was something like 47%. We should just have started Muric, played Traff in the cups then gone from there. Or not spent £17m on a keeper. But that’s been done to death. I don’t think rotating particularly helps with defensive unit cohesion (though admittedly it wasn’t great anyway).

[DCWat]

Brilliant. So we could raise 33 million for Trafford and VK along with parachute payments. Add Berge and Odobert to that for another 40 and we should be able to have a decent transfer budget and hopefully pay off some debt.

I’d be doing all that I could to keep Berge. I want the team built around him.

[Goliath]

I’d be doing all that I could to keep Berge. I want the team built around him.

He's fantastic, there's something wrong if he's happy to play another year in thr championship. I also have some niggling doubts about his desire and work rate in there, especially when playing twice a week but ability wise there's nobody close in that division really.

[MACCA]

I’d be doing all that I could to keep Berge. I want the team built around him.

I would too, but its Not happening I'm afraid

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Just seen Jeff Hendrick has been released by Newcastle, make it happen Mr Pace

[CnBtruntru]

Doesn't have his badges FFS.

[123EasyasBFC]

Maxime Estève, attracting interest for the summer transfer window after Burnley relegation.

France U23 centre back, in shortlist of two Premier League clubs after playing all 16 consecutive games since he joined the club in February.

[Goliath]

Maxime Estève, attracting interest for the summer transfer window after Burnley relegation.

France U23 centre back, in shortlist of two Premier League clubs after playing all 16 consecutive games since he joined the club in February.

Left footed young and good on the ball. I'd be in no rush to sell, there's a big shortage of those types so he will always be in demand.