Kompany to Bayern Munich?

[NL Claret]

A benchmark has seemingly already been set for the new manager. Anything less than 101 points and/or more than three defeats is going to be viewed as failure in some eyes. Hope that is brought up during the interviewing process. We don't want to end up with any charlatan type short changing us.

Great point that Silky, we need to move on from 101 points. The championship is a different beast and is always a tight competition. Hopefully future managers aren’t expected to live up to a once in a lifetime season.

[Clovius Boofus]

Middle-aged blokes bickering like children about supposed inside knowledge and social media hearsay.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’m not suggesting it was but it came across to me as Bellamy not being able to comment. There was no reason at all why he shouldn’t have.

I get that but too me that’s looking extremely deep into it due to what’s happened when to me it was purely a club annoyed at decisions and when their manager had already been sent off, better to say nothing rather than fuelling the fire

[ClaretTony]

I get that but too me that’s looking extremely deep into it due to what’s happened when to me it was purely a club annoyed at decisions and when their manager had already been sent off, better to say nothing rather than fuelling the fire

I’ll stop at this point. I don’t think you’ve understood what I was trying to get across.

[warksclaret]

From what I am reading about our ex manager we should all be rejoicing hes gone. File under Paula Vennells for sincerity

For me know the biggest requirement of our next manager should be man management and motivational skills, as this would get the better players in the squad back on board

[123EasyasBFC]

I’ll stop at this point. I don’t think you’ve understood what I was trying to get across.

Too me it seemed like you were trying to suggest because of the obvious dressing room unrest that Bellamy had been told by kompany not to speak when to me it seems like an obvious decision for Bellamy not to speak to fuel anymore fire to the horrendous decisions.

Personally I just feel with everything that has gone wrong this season and the crazy decisions made that, the interview at Chelsea wasn’t one of those

[Gnulty]

Off you go, no problem.

[KRBFC]

A benchmark has seemingly already been set for the new manager. Anything less than 101 points and/or more than three defeats is going to be viewed as failure in some eyes. Hope that is brought up during the interviewing process. We don't want to end up with any charlatan type short changing us.

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

[boatshed bill]

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

I'm sure that the (prospective) new manager will be cut a fair bit of slack by all the posters on here who really struggled to accept Vincent Kompany despite promotion and 101 points.

[boyyanno]

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

Automatic promotion is a must for whoever is in charge next season. I said had he been in charge he would need to achieve that and it's only fair to say the same for his replacement.

[ElectroClaret]

I'm sure that the (prospective) new manager will be cut a fair bit of slack by all the posters on here who really struggled to accept Vincent Kompany despite promotion and 101 points.

....and relegation and 24 points.
Tell both sides if you're doing it properly.

[Quicknick]

....and relegation and 24 points.
Tell both sides if you're doing it properly.

Yep. The worst top-flight side in our history.

[Shaggy]

There’s not a chance VK would have taken us up automatically this season. He knew it and started hawking his name out there. Another Coyle, recognising when he has been found out and moves on quickly before too many people catch on.

[Swizzlestick]

There’s not a chance VK would have taken us up automatically this season. He knew it and started hawking his name out there. Another Coyle, recognising when he has been found out and moves on quickly before too many people catch on.

Appreciate you have previous for bizarre opinions, but what on earth do you mean by ‘found out’? We didn’t stumble our way to promotion - we almost broke Reading’s points record. I get this is an inconvenient truth for some.

[Shaggy]

Appreciate you have previous for bizarre opinions, but what on earth do you mean by ‘found out’? We didn’t stumble our way to promotion - we almost broke Reading’s points record. I get this is an inconvenient truth for some.

His managerial savvy has been found out. He failed spectacularly this season with his 1 trick. Busted flush is another term which could be used.

In terms of our promotion yes was a great season granted, but was it really tactical genius from Kompany or more a case of having a lot more resources than anyone else coupled with some seriously solid players still at the club?

Regardless of that what he has shown is complete inability to manage at premier league level, continually being out mannered by every other manager.

To give him his Due Dyche at least put together a plan to collect enough points to remain in the league. Kompany was well short in every area and had the benefit of a lot of funding.

Had VK stayed in honestly believe we wouldn’t be anywhere near automatic promotion.

VK is like that guy we’ve all encountered at work, you know the one who is full of BS taking credit for other peoples work. slipping and sliding to avoid scrutiny then suddenly when the focus is upon them they bail out to go some the else because they know that they are full of BS and unable to perform. VK is that guy.

[Swizzlestick]

His managerial savvy has been found out. He failed spectacularly this season with his 1 trick. Busted flush is another term which could be used.

In terms of our promotion yes was a great season granted, but was it really tactical genius from Kompany or more a case of having a lot more resources than anyone else coupled with some seriously solid players still at the club?

Regardless of that what he has shown is complete inability to manage at premier league level, continually being out mannered by every other manager.

To give him his Due Dyche at least put together a plan to collect enough points to remain in the league. Kompany was well short in every area and had the benefit of a lot of funding.

Had VK stayed in honestly believe we wouldn’t be anywhere near automatic promotion.

VK is like that guy we’ve all encountered at work, you know the one who is full of BS taking credit for other peoples work. slipping and sliding to avoid scrutiny then suddenly when the focus is upon them they bail out to go some the else because they know that they are full of BS and unable to perform. VK is that guy.

You act like it was all ready for him! He had to totally change up the team - brought in Muric, Maatsen, Beyer, Tella, Cullen, Benson, Zaroury.

I get it, last season was shite, but enough of the revisionism.

[andyh]

I can’t see how we were certain of promotion with Vinny. Maybe he could repeat his success. But in many ways the challenge last time was simpler(not easier). He had a very small squad and some old pros with good habits. Sprinkle some bright young things and off you go. Next year would have been very different and he would have had to show a part of his skill set that he hadn’t shown so far.

His replacement needs to be given his own chance to succeed. If they can make us a unified unit and scramble up any way possible then that will be an outstanding season. Don’t go setting the bar based on what we achieved 2 seasons ago. That is just asking for disappointment.

[TheFamilyCat]

From what I am reading about our ex manager we should all be rejoicing hes gone. File under Paula Vennells for sincerity

For me know the biggest requirement of our next manager should be man management and motivational skills, as this would get the better players in the squad back on board

David Brent?

[Acting Claret]

In hindsight, it would have been much better if this had happened this time last year.

[ksrclaret]

Middle-aged blokes bickering like children about supposed inside knowledge and social media hearsay.

Old habits die hard

[bumba]

I can’t see how we were certain of promotion with Vinny. Maybe he could repeat his success. But in many ways the challenge last time was simpler(not easier). He had a very small squad and some old pros with good habits. Sprinkle some bright young things and off you go. Next year would have been very different and he would have had to show a part of his skill set that he hadn’t shown so far.

His replacement needs to be given his own chance to succeed. If they can make us a unified unit and scramble up any way possible then that will be an outstanding season. Don’t go setting the bar based on what we achieved 2 seasons ago. That is just asking for disappointment.

People forget though the signings last year were already men not boys like this season, Benson was mid twenties, Vitinho, Cullen, Muric, Beyer, Ekdal, Foster, Tella, Harwood-Bellis, Maatsen, Obafemi were all above 21 or had experience of the championship.
This season we've brought in boys or players with no English experience or both boys with no premier league experience Trafford, Koleosho, Odobert, JBL, O'Shea, Assignon, Esteve, Fofana, Amdouni, Ramsey, Tresor etc and it's shown.
Nothing points towards 'certain' promotion under VK and he knows that he's cocked up massively and jumped ship.
He's a fraud.

[HahaYeah]

Burnley FC was VKs presentation shop window for any big clubs watching to see how he wants to play. A certain level of pragmatism was required but we were sacrificed for his career prospects.

VK was playing in the style of a top club but with players who he knew full well could not attain that level of football.

Then BM have liked what they saw and dangled their not inconsiderable carrot in front of him. So off he has jolly well popped.

[Swizzlestick]

Burnley FC was VKs presentation shop window for any big clubs watching to see how he wants to play. A certain level of pragmatism was required but we were sacrificed for his career prospects.

VK was playing in the style of a top club but with players who he knew full well could not attain that level of football.

Then BM have liked what they saw and dangled their not inconsiderable carrot in front of him. So off he has jolly well popped.

Yeah, I just I don’t buy this. His style of play is his style of play - it was very successful for him in the previous season. His chances of getting a big job would be maximised by keeping us in the league. He wasn’t to know Bayern would be turned down by multiple managers and that he’d suddenly be in the running for that job - if he did, he’s the new Mystic Meg.

If anything, he tinkered with his tactics too much and I’d even argue he attempted to be more pragmatic / he certainly was in the second half of the season. Closer to reality is that he was just naive and made crap decisions.

[Nonayforever]

Whether VK would or wouldn't have gained promotion next season is purely conjecture, a matter of opinion.
For what it's worth, I think I don't think he would have as it seemed as though he had lost the plot from Christmas onwards.
That's one of the reasons expirenced managers hang around ( Roy Hodgson, Moyes, M Mcarthy etc) they didn't play brilliant football but they were solid and reliable.
It will be interesting to see how long VK lasts in management.

[Big Vinny K]

Whether VK does well or badly at Bayern I don’t think it has much relevance on him losing the plot this season at Burnley.
Whilst there will be no doubt “told you so” posters on both sides the fact of the matter is that you would struggle to find two more completely different clubs and situations than Burnley and Bayern Munich.
One thing for sure the hierarchy at Bayern Munich will not give it a second thought in potting VK after a couple of months if they realise they have made a big mistake. The pressure that get from supporters, shareholders, sponsors, the board room etc will be more intense than VK has ever encountered in his career by some distance.

The one thing in his favour will be Bayer Lev can’t be as good as they were this year. They could lose big players and if they are going to have the distraction and pressure of Champions League football. Plus they must all know that Alonso is very likely to leave at the end of next season - that is never a good situation for players especially in the second half of the season.

[Raconteur]

Bayern have to make up 18+ points on Leverkusen who finished the league campaign unbeaten unlike Bayern who lost 8 matches. Coupled with the fact that Leverkusen have a proper manager in situ who we are told was the Number One choice of Bayern.

How's that?
Surely they both start on zero points next season.

[Ric_C]

Wonder if we will get a goodbye message from Mr Kompany, or will he just slink out of the door?

Also why haven't the club posted that Bellamy has left, and the other guy gone to AJAX? The fact I have to find about that on here is a bit strange.

[Raconteur]

Comments about how toxic it apparently is are interesting when taken in context to comments like this from Larsen last week

‘To everyone who works for this fantastic football club - thank you. This is why we are a team that will never give up.

I have fallen in love with this club.’

And this from Berge in March

‘It’s easy to say, but I’ve been in different dressing rooms and it’s unreal what’s going on here.

We stand strong, we stay together and we look at what we can improve. I’m proud of being part of a club like this that week in, week out has the personality to move on and see what we can do better.’

Also find it curious how I was shot down and several of the board bullies accused me of lying when I commented on Benson missing a lot of training and having a poor attitude earlier in the season. Yet others (funnily enough some of the same posters who shot me down) now post about the ‘toxicity’ without any worry.

I was told earlier in the season that lateness and discipline has been a major issue with Benson since the first day of pre season training. Attitudes changed after promotion. Never mentioned it at the time as it was just a rumour. Seeing as all the unrest is being passed as gospel, i now wonder if it is true.

[Goalposts]

A pretty inciteful and accurate article this…

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... y-29238995

[NewClaret]

In hindsight, it would have been much better if this had happened this time last year.

That’s a fair point although I’d say far fewer available managers at that point.

[warksclaret]

Whether VK does well or badly at Bayern I don’t think it has much relevance on him losing the plot this season at Burnley.
Whilst there will be no doubt “told you so” posters on both sides the fact of the matter is that you would struggle to find two more completely different clubs and situations than Burnley and Bayern Munich.
One thing for sure the hierarchy at Bayern Munich will not give it a second thought in potting VK after a couple of months if they realise they have made a big mistake. The pressure that get from supporters, shareholders, sponsors, the board room etc will be more intense than VK has ever encountered in his career by some distance.

The one thing in his favour will be Bayer Lev can’t be as good as they were this year. They could lose big players and if they are going to have the distraction and pressure of Champions League football. Plus they must all know that Alonso is very likely to leave at the end of next season - that is never a good situation for players especially in the second half of the season.

You are dead right about with your observations. If it looks like its not working BM will not hesitate pulling the trigger. Its all a bit of a role reversal. VK will think its like now going out with best looking girl in Europe, but one slip and she will find someone else. I am sure his agent will have negotiated a healthy compensation package if that happens

[Silkyskills1]

I'm sure that the (prospective) new manager will be cut a fair bit of slack by all the posters on here who really struggled to accept Vincent Kompany despite promotion and 101 points.

Not all the posters on here bb.

[HahaYeah]

Yeah, I just I don’t buy this. His style of play is his style of play - it was very successful for him in the previous season. His chances of getting a big job would be maximised by keeping us in the league. He wasn’t to know Bayern would be turned down by multiple managers and that he’d suddenly be in the running for that job - if he did, he’s the new Mystic Meg.

If anything, he tinkered with his tactics too much and I’d even argue he attempted to be more pragmatic / he certainly was in the second half of the season. Closer to reality is that he was just naive and made crap decisions.

There was no problem with the Champ season I'm talking about the Prem season where it was obvious some pragmatism was needed, nay, a bit of hoofball required but would a club BM come in for him if he was deploying a bit of the ol' pragmatic hoof? I doubt it.

He wasn’t to know Bayern would be turned down by multiple managers but he was hanging out his sign to any big club
trying to play champagne football with none champagne players and tinkering with tactics, experimenting with puzzling substitutions to our detriment.

[Swizzlestick]

There was no problem with the Champ season I'm talking about the Prem season where it was obvious some pragmatism was needed, nay, a bit of hoofball required but would a club BM come in for him if he was deploying a bit of the ol' pragmatic hoof? I doubt it.

He wasn’t to know Bayern would be turned down by multiple managers but he was hanging out his sign to any big club
trying to play champagne football with none champagne players and tinkering with tactics, experimenting with puzzling substitutions to our detriment.

But he’s been pretty open that this is how he plays, how he comes from the Pep school - it wasn’t some grand masterplan, it’s just how he wants teams to play. Also I genuinely think the tinkering was him overthinking it and trying to fix things. If he was ‘putting on a show’ I don’t think he’s playing workers like Vitinho (hardly a champagne footballer) ahead of, say, Tresor or even Benson. If anything, tinkering would give off the energy of a manager who didn’t know what he was doing (which appeared to be the case). I’d still file it more as managerial incompetence than some sort of weird showcase and he just got lucky that Bayern are a basket case at the moment and his name is Vincent Kompany.

[spt_claret]

Yeah, I just I don’t buy this. His style of play is his style of play - it was very successful for him in the previous season. His chances of getting a big job would be maximised by keeping us in the league.

Except this has been proven untrue by Dyche getting us into Europe on a shoestring and never getting a top club offer.

Football is utterly infested with style purism and the idea that short passing and misleading possession stat based football is "the right way" and somehow, magically, the best way. The idea of a club being marketable or an attractive prospect is also wedded to this and based on the tastes of a VERY small number of people, often at the expense of results. When we set the all time disciplinary record in the top flight, nothing was made of that being "the right way", but 6 red cards and players throwing themselves to the floor in strops is deemed good football because the elitist clique of footballing media and ownership are so completely obsessed with Guardiolas style. Speak to any actual football fan back then and Burnley were a much more respected and even at our best, feared, team, because we could get results against anyone, but still no link to big jobs for Dyche or big clubs for most of our players.

Results have been proven to not matter as much as style, football is far less substance based nowadays, Kompany absolutely was serving his own ends better by fixating on style over substance, it's self evident in how it got him a Bayern offer while Dyche scraped an offer from Everton in crisis.

[CoolClaret]

Except this has been proven untrue by Dyche getting us into Europe on a shoestring and never getting a top club offer.

Football is utterly infested with style purism and the idea that short passing and misleading possession stat based football is "the right way" and somehow, magically, the best way. The idea of a club being marketable or an attractive prospect is also wedded to this and based on the tastes of a VERY small number of people, often at the expense of results. When we set the all time disciplinary record in the top flight, nothing was made of that being "the right way", but 6 red cards and players throwing themselves to the floor in strops is deemed good football because the elitist clique of footballing media and ownership are so completely obsessed with Guardiolas style. Speak to any actual football fan back then and Burnley were a much more respected and even at our best, feared, team, because we could get results against anyone, but still no link to big jobs for Dyche or big clubs for most of our players.

Results have been proven to not matter as much as style, football is far less substance based nowadays, Kompany absolutely was serving his own ends better by fixating on style over substance, it's self evident in how it got him a Bayern offer while Dyche scraped an offer from Everton in crisis.

Absoliutely spot on that spt..

It's like in many fields - when you have 'finance bros' & 'MBAs' that are now Sporting Directors or those making big hiring decisions at football clubs instead of experienced and knowledgeable football men/respective experts then you get what we have now.

It's why you get players like Mudryk gong for £88.5 million and players like Vardy slipping through the cracks.

It's a strange world - things like this just didn't happen 20 years ago.

[Conroysleftfoot]

A pretty inciteful and accurate article this…

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... y-29238995

Good article, thanks for posting

[kentonclaret]

Except this has been proven untrue by Dyche getting us into Europe on a shoestring and never getting a top club offer.

Football is utterly infested with style purism and the idea that short passing and misleading possession stat based football is "the right way" and somehow, magically, the best way. The idea of a club being marketable or an attractive prospect is also wedded to this and based on the tastes of a VERY small number of people, often at the expense of results. When we set the all time disciplinary record in the top flight, nothing was made of that being "the right way", but 6 red cards and players throwing themselves to the floor in strops is deemed good football because the elitist clique of footballing media and ownership are so completely obsessed with Guardiolas style. Speak to any actual football fan back then and Burnley were a much more respected and even at our best, feared, team, because we could get results against anyone, but still no link to big jobs for Dyche or big clubs for most of our players.

Results have been proven to not matter as much as style, football is far less substance based nowadays, Kompany absolutely was serving his own ends better by fixating on style over substance, it's self evident in how it got him a Bayern offer while Dyche scraped an offer from Everton in crisis.

To be fair Kompany only scraped an offer from Bayern during a period of crisis when 6 other managers were approached and rejected the role. The names of those managers have been widely reported in the media so won’t repeat them.

[dsr]

It doesn't matter what style of football you play, if the result is that the opposition finds it easy to score against you, then the style is no use. If it hadn't been for Sheffield United keeping only 1 clean sheet, I am told that our 2 clean sheets would have been a PL (or perhaps even a top flight) record low.

A struggling side, if it wants to stay up, needs to be able to snatch the odd 1-0 win, possibly when it isn't deserved. We haven't had one this year.

[DCWat]

I believe Kompany would have took us up automatically quite easily so I expect his replacement to deliver that, anything less is complete failure.

I assume, that in the interests of fairness, you’ll cut the new manager some slack, if it transpires that there is a right old mess to sort out in terms of the squad, recruitment and scouting?

The target has to be promotion, if not next season, the season after. I just hope that we get this one right - I fear that we can’t afford a mistake with this appointment, which piles on the pressure from the outset.

I’d have liked Kompany to stay, but the more I read (not necessarily all correct of course) the more I think we’ve got the best out of a bad situation.

[kenyon6923]

Kompany took over us when we were in a complete shambles, just been relegated and lost all our "star" players in Tarks, Mee, Popey, McNeill and Cornet plus others like Weghorst who didn't want to play for the club. A complete shambles.

What he and the coaching staff did from that point (without signing any star players and mostly signing "never heard of players") was a miracle - probably at that level might never be repeated. Topped by winning the title at Ewood - really was fairytale stuff - will be a season that will always be remembered IMO

[KRBFC]

I assume, that in the interests of fairness, you’ll cut the new manager some slack, if it transpires that there is a right old mess to sort out in terms of the squad, recruitment and scouting?

Absolutely not, automatic promotion or bust, no excuses with this squad.

[DCWat]

So you’re effectively going to cut the new manager less slack, from the outset, than you’ve expected everyone else to offer Kompany? This despite a truly awful season, terrible summer window and all of the rumblings behind the scenes.

Seems a tad hypocritical.

[CoolClaret]

So you’re effectively going to cut the new manager less slack, from the outset, than you’ve expected everyone else to offer Kompany? This despite a truly awful season, terrible summer window and all of the rumblings behind the scenes.

Seems a tad hypocritical.

KRBFC, hypocritical?

Well I never...

[kentonclaret]

Kompany took over us when we were in a complete shambles, just been relegated and lost all our "star" players in Tarks, Mee, Popey, McNeill and Cornet plus others like Weghorst who didn't want to play for the club. A complete shambles.

What he and the coaching staff did from that point (without signing any star players and mostly signing "never heard of players") was a miracle - probably at that level might never be repeated. Topped by winning the title at Ewood - really was fairytale stuff - will be a season that will always be remembered IMO

Exactly that. Vincent Kompany hit the jackpot with the signings of Tella and Maatsen and the goal contributions from Benson, and as you say it was all fairytale stuff. You say that it may never be repeated at Championship level and I agree, I have always maintained that Kompany may well have struggled to repeat the trick. The stars do not always fully align the second time around.

[Swizzlestick]

He got the Bayern job because he’s something like 7th choice and he’s a name. You can debate the logic of that but that’s the case. As I said in the edited part of my posted quoted, he didn’t even stick to his original tactics, particularly when Trafford was playing. It was sort of a weird mishmash of styles and hardly give off the energy of somebody showcasing a possession heavy, stylish brand of football. We were lower half for possession in the end, sub 50%. And are Bayern even that obsessed by this style? They wanted Glasner from Palace, who isn’t known for playing like that at all. As for the implication we’re a stepping stone, we’re almost always going to be a stepping stone. It’d be more puzzling if we weren’t.

[kentonclaret]

Absolutely not, automatic promotion or bust, no excuses with this squad.

Ah, the age old trick of setting the bar so high that any incoming manager can be deemed to be a failure almost from the outset.

Nothing new in that.

[Raconteur]

So you’re effectively going to cut the new manager less slack, from the outset, than you’ve expected everyone else to offer Kompany? This despite a truly awful season, terrible summer window and all of the rumblings behind the scenes.

Seems a tad hypocritical.

Fans where demanding that Kompany gets us automatic promotion next season and if we weren't on track after 10 games he should be sacked.

Surely we should be demanding the same from the new manager if we are holding everyone to the same standards?
Kompany wasn't poor in the Championship.
If the new manager took over while in the prem, yes cut some slack but with us being in the championship let's hold them to the same standards.

[ecc]

I would say we're in a bigger mess than two years ago. I also doubt whether we'll spend as much as last time. Have we got the players to sell to generate income?

[Raconteur]

Ah, the age old trick of setting the bar so high that any incoming manager can be deemed to be a failure almost from the outset.

Nothing new in that.

According to some, Kompany has been a failure.

Now asking the new manager to achieve the same results is setting the bar high