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Re: Next manager

Post by Clovius Boofus » Sun May 26, 2024 10:59 am

Lampard :lol: . Not a chance. Even this board aren't that bonkers.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun May 26, 2024 11:00 am

burnmark wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:26 am
Nixon saying Cooper and Lampard are on ‘the list’ of three.
Cooper - 100% yes

Lampard - 100% no
Actually, forget that. 100000000% no

I hope Knutsen is the 3rd person on the list

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Re: Next manager

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun May 26, 2024 11:00 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:58 am
Chris Woods, Elanga and Hudson Odoiwould be a good start!
Bloody hell Chris Wood, I keep forgetting he's at forest

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Re: Next manager

Post by Clovius Boofus » Sun May 26, 2024 11:00 am

Moyes or Cooper for me.

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Re: Next manager

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun May 26, 2024 11:01 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:00 am
Cooper - 100% yes

Lampard - 100% no
Actually, forget that. 100000000% no

I hope Knutsen is the 3rd person on the list
Or Moyes and he could bring Ings and Cornet with him

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Re: Next manager

Post by taio » Sun May 26, 2024 11:02 am

Clovius Boofus wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:00 am
Moyes or Cooper for me.
Either of those for me too. I guess one is far more realistic than the other.

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Re: Next manager

Post by HahaYeah » Sun May 26, 2024 11:05 am

Wouldn't say no to Moyes or Cooper, someone with experience and know how.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Rileybobs » Sun May 26, 2024 11:05 am

If I was a sports journalist pretending to be in the know, I would say Burnley have a shortlist of 3 managers and name just 2 of them. Classic cop-out.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Raconteur » Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 am

warksclaret wrote:
Sat May 25, 2024 10:38 pm
What I read on this Board under the VK To Bayern Munich thread. When you read what CT says about the relationship between VK and the players (I think the word toxic is used), you realise it must have been a dreadful environment in the dressing room. CT is not in the habit of making things up.Others have supported this with tales of major unrest with the players.Remember seeing the video on Kompany absolutely losing it with the Anderlect players several years ago -for me it shows what he is capable of.Not exactly a motivational manager
I'm sorry but what CT says is just rumours and is not more truthful than what anyone else states.

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretspice » Sun May 26, 2024 11:09 am

Lampard is a slightly odd one.

He did a decent job at Derby (better if one compares with what came after) but then was promoted to the elite level far too early and he's never given himself the opportunity to really learn his craft (something that might be an issue for Kompany).

He's clearly an intelligent, articulate bloke who made the best of his ability as a player and had a self awareness as to his limitations. I'm not sure his experience at Everton was is a great barometer and his return to Chelsea was a total hiding to nothing (and I'm not sure why he did it).

So I'd not entirely rule him out - particularly if he came with the right team around him. But I can see why there's some scepticism.
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Re: Next manager

Post by jrgbfc » Sun May 26, 2024 11:16 am

With our highly bloated squad and imperative to get promoted i don't rhink its time for any big gambles. Get it wrong this summer and it could set us back 10 years.

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Re: Next manager

Post by northeastclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 11:18 am

Ahh no no to Lampard he has done nothing as a manager for him to get the job.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 11:18 am

warksclaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 9:28 am
Hear what you are saying Hibs, but improvement post 10 March ??? We won two games post 10 March, running to the final game-against 10 man Brentford and Sheffield Utd. I would argue a large part of the improvement was from re-instating Muric and Cullen. Yes there's a lot of words being spoken about the relationship between manager and squad, and maybe we are over reacting. However when people leave clubs or senior posts in companies that's when the truth has a habit of coming out, as people feel less threatened and open up. I take things with a pinch of salt but when CT opens up I tend to believe it
You can believe what you want but it’s second hand information at best. I prefer to believe my own eyes and you don’t get a point at Chelsea with ten men under the shadow of toxicity. You do what Everton did there a week or two later and ship 6.

Some people have had issues with the way we were setting up all season and have agendas against the ownership and the way the club is run. That won’t change until there is change at the very top and that’s a bit sad tbh.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun May 26, 2024 11:27 am

northeastclaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:18 am
Ahh no no to Lampard he has done nothing as a manager for him to get the job.
Tbf VK was the same then he won the championship.

I don’t want him but let’s at least be open minded

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun May 26, 2024 11:34 am

If Lampard had an experienced assistant with him like Paul clement or Steve Round then maybe but Lampard and Jody morris as a pair would scare the life out of me

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Re: Next manager

Post by kentonclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 11:42 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:05 am
If I was a sports journalist pretending to be in the know, I would say Burnley have a shortlist of 3 managers and name just 2 of them. Classic cop-out.
Not really. The 3rd name on the list was Wayne Rooney but he decided to go to Plymouth. :|

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Re: Next manager

Post by FeedTheArf » Sun May 26, 2024 11:47 am

Raconteur wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 am
I'm sorry but what CT says is just rumours and is not more truthful than what anyone else states.
Ordinarily for other posters I would say yes, but CT has proven time and time again he is ‘in the know’ and doesn’t post things likely.
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Re: Next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 11:50 am

claretspice wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:09 am
Lampard is a slightly odd one.

He did a decent job at Derby (better if one compares with what came after) but then was promoted to the elite level far too early and he's never given himself the opportunity to really learn his craft (something that might be an issue for Kompany).

He's clearly an intelligent, articulate bloke who made the best of his ability as a player and had a self awareness as to his limitations. I'm not sure his experience at Everton was is a great barometer and his return to Chelsea was a total hiding to nothing (and I'm not sure why he did it).

So I'd not entirely rule him out - particularly if he came with the right team around him. But I can see why there's some scepticism.
He did ok at Derby. Took over a team that came 6th, added Mason Mount and Fikayo Tomori and came 6th. Everything since then, in admittedly adverse situations, has been crap.

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Re: Next manager

Post by agreenwood » Sun May 26, 2024 11:53 am

Lampard wouldn’t be on my wish list, but I’m not sure judging him on what he did at Chelsea or Everton is the best barometer of how he might get on with us.
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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 26, 2024 11:57 am

Raconteur wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:07 am
I'm sorry but what CT says is just rumours and is not more truthful than what anyone else states.
I post what I know when I can, simple as that so believe what you want to believe.
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Re: Next manager

Post by FeedTheArf » Sun May 26, 2024 11:58 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:58 am
Don’t confuse this for me sticking up for Lampard but if you’re not very good then you are clearly making mistakes somewhere along the line, what makes you better is if you eventually learn from them and put it to practice.

I don’t want Lampard at all but if he arrives then we must back him
IF it’s Lampard, then it all depends on the coaches he brings with him. As a media figurehead and football icon he ticks the boxes for persuading players to come and building ‘the brand’ 🤮🤮.

Would much rather see a more proven coach like Cooper if it’s a choice between the two.

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Re: Next manager

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 26, 2024 11:59 am

I'd be hugely disappointed if it were Lampard - but I suppose a former England international with 100+ caps would suit our chairman

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Re: Next manager

Post by Goliath » Sun May 26, 2024 12:01 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:09 am
Lampard is a slightly odd one.

He did a decent job at Derby (better if one compares with what came after) but then was promoted to the elite level far too early and he's never given himself the opportunity to really learn his craft (something that might be an issue for Kompany).

He's clearly an intelligent, articulate bloke who made the best of his ability as a player and had a self awareness as to his limitations. I'm not sure his experience at Everton was is a great barometer and his return to Chelsea was a total hiding to nothing (and I'm not sure why he did it).

So I'd not entirely rule him out - particularly if he came with the right team around him. But I can see why there's some scepticism.
He failed miserably at Derby. He had Tomori, Mount and Wilson and didn't get promoted. They all played top flight football the following season.
He failed at Chelsea twice and failed at Everton. Good managers don't fail 4 times consecutively

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Re: Next manager

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun May 26, 2024 12:01 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 10:41 am
I heard this way back at the start of the season and started a thread about it ‘has vk lost the dressing room’

I was ridiculed at the time for suggesting what I had heard was untrue
The amount of times over the last few days you have said ‘I’ve heard this’ hahaha it’s frightening
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Re: Next manager

Post by Pearcey » Sun May 26, 2024 12:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:59 am
I'd be hugely disappointed if it were Lampard - but I suppose a former England international with 100+ caps would suit our chairman
My thoughts exactly. A big name fits the bill. More social media and mainstream media attention. I’d prefer so see Cooper.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun May 26, 2024 12:07 pm

Lampard would be a really underwhelming appointment. Fingers crossed we don’t go near him.

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Re: Next manager

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sun May 26, 2024 12:10 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:47 am
Ordinarily for other posters I would say yes, but CT has proven time and time again he is ‘in the know’ and doesn’t post things likely.
Let’s not get into this. At the end of the day, we’re all fans and anyone truly “in the know” would have better things to do than post about it on here. There’s only one poster who I believe is truly “in the know” and he very rarely posts.

Do you really think if there was a leak, the club would not take action to plug it? The trouble is, and it’s quite dangerous really from the clubs perspective, there are many on here ready to believe anything they read online.

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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sun May 26, 2024 12:17 pm

Lampard would be a disaster - precisely the type of appointment that we DO NOT NEEED AND DO NOT WANT.

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Re: Next manager

Post by clarethomer » Sun May 26, 2024 12:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:59 am
I'd be hugely disappointed if it were Lampard - but I suppose a former England international with 100+ caps would suit our chairman
I know what you mean CT. Something i have been pondering too as whatever we think of VK, his brand was good for the club on the whole - not withstanding the terrible season we have just experienced.

I keep wondering where we will find a manager that will

- Be happy to work with the players we have (or retain).
- Will be able to bring the right level of experience to the table
- Has a results backed CV
- Can work within the club that needs to build its coaching/transfer teams etc.
- Will be a brand ambassador who can try and achieve the project - whatever that may look like - assume possession based attacking football.. ?
- Has the right balance of credibility, contacts and desire to be successful without it being at the cost of the club.

I don't envy the chairmen or owners at all as every candidate I have seen so far understandably won't tick all of those boxes.

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Re: Next manager

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Sun May 26, 2024 12:18 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:01 pm
The amount of times over the last few days you have said ‘I’ve heard this’ hahaha it’s frightening
I have my ear to the ground 😂😂

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Re: Next manager

Post by burnley007 » Sun May 26, 2024 12:24 pm

What is the availability of Fabregas at Como?

He seems to fit the bill.

I would be happy with him.
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Re: Next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 12:25 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:10 pm
Let’s not get into this. At the end of the day, we’re all fans and anyone truly “in the know” would have better things to do than post about it on here. There’s only one poster who I believe is truly “in the know” and he very rarely posts.

Do you really think if there was a leak, the club would not take action to plug it? The trouble is, and it’s quite dangerous really from the clubs perspective, there are many on here ready to believe anything they read online.
It's been very clear for over 20 years that you can take anything CT says about the club to the bank.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Sun May 26, 2024 12:31 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:17 pm
Lampard would be a disaster - precisely the type of appointment that we DO NOT NEEED AND DO NOT WANT.
If he’s even being considered it’s absolute confirmation that our club is not in safe hands.
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Re: Next manager

Post by DCWat » Sun May 26, 2024 12:31 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 11:09 am
Lampard is a slightly odd one.

He did a decent job at Derby (better if one compares with what came after) but then was promoted to the elite level far too early and he's never given himself the opportunity to really learn his craft (something that might be an issue for Kompany).

He's clearly an intelligent, articulate bloke who made the best of his ability as a player and had a self awareness as to his limitations. I'm not sure his experience at Everton was is a great barometer and his return to Chelsea was a total hiding to nothing (and I'm not sure why he did it).

So I'd not entirely rule him out - particularly if he came with the right team around him. But I can see why there's some scepticism.
From your assessment of Cooper and his suitability, I don’t see anything like the same when it comes to Lampard. I’d rather go for someone like Knutson than Lampard.

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Re: Next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun May 26, 2024 12:32 pm

I’m not for one moment suggesting that I want Lampard, but just to offer a bit of perspective on this. He has managed derby, Chelsea and Everton. 3 basket cases for clubs. He got Derby to the play off final, Chelsea to the champions league under a transfer embargo and not even Carlo Ancelotti could do anything with Everton. So maybe it’s a case of finding the right club where he can establish his ideas over a few years.
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Re: Next manager

Post by CoolClaret » Sun May 26, 2024 12:37 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:32 pm
I’m not for one moment suggesting that I want Lampard, but just to offer a bit of perspective on this. He has managed derby, Chelsea and Everton. 3 basket cases for clubs. He got Derby to the play off final, Chelsea to the champions league under a transfer embargo and not even Carlo Ancelotti could do anything with Everton. So maybe it’s a case of finding the right club where he can establish his ideas over a few years.
Ancelotti had Everton 12th & 10th.. Lampard nearly took them down and was on track to until he was potted.

He also had a ginormous budget with Derby (part of the reason they eventually ended up relegated), had a damn good squad and didn't get promoted.

At Chelsea he did alright for one year then it went to pot when he was given a few quid to spend - precisely what we do not want.

Avoid.

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Re: Next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 12:38 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:25 pm
It's been very clear for over 20 years that you can take anything CT says about the club to the bank.
:lol:

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Re: Next manager

Post by brexit » Sun May 26, 2024 12:41 pm

The last 5 managers we have had all been a little left field, and I don't remember anyone on this board accurately predicting who would be the next manager - except in hindsight.
Given that here is my punt, will still - why? Similar play style to VK, young, not a name, available, cheap and multilingual.
But I still think the next manager will someone not mentioned on these pages?

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Re: Next manager

Post by Steddyman » Sun May 26, 2024 12:42 pm

I can see the chairman going for Lampard because he is 'a name'.

But he must realise that the 'Lampard' brand is tarnished after four failed managerial appointments.

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Re: Next manager

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sun May 26, 2024 12:50 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:25 pm
It's been very clear for over 20 years that you can take anything CT says about the club to the bank.
I mean, what chance do certain individuals at the club stand if there are people that think like this? He’s only got to say “I’ve been told”, and it’s a fact. Like I said, not a good state of affairs. His posts lately are all in the same vein and some of which directly contradict what I’ve heard elsewhere. When there is no balance, all credibility goes out the window.
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Re: Next manager

Post by daveisaclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 1:00 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:50 pm
He’s only got to say “I’ve been told”, and it’s a fact.
Yep

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Re: Next manager

Post by claretspice » Sun May 26, 2024 1:17 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 12:31 pm
From your assessment of Cooper and his suitability, I don’t see anything like the same when it comes to Lampard. I’d rather go for someone like Knutson than Lampard.
I'm not advocating Lampard and I'd have reservations - as I say I can see why people are sceptical.

However. I think his season at Derby was OK. He took an aging Gary Rowett squad and galvanised it into a much younger team that got into the play offs (just, admittedly) and fell at the final hurdle. Great achievement? No. Passable first season in management? Yes.

Chelsea came too soon for him but he won plaudits for his first season, relying on youth and making the Champions League in good style against expectations and despite a transfer embargo. Clearly he then failed to back that up in his following season (albeit apparently after being saddled with signings he did not want). He then made the error of signing up to replace Benitez in the midst of a relegation battle as things were turning toxic at Everton. He basically left them in the same position as he inherited them a year later.

Is it a compelling record? Absolutely not. But it does show a bit of credibility when it comes to galvanising, inspiring and developing younger players, whilst playing a style compatible with this squad. It is also possible his background might help win immediate buy in from from a squad that signed for a very big name in Kompany and might need winning over to whoever takes over (and i wouldnt underestimatethe psychology of this in a very international squad put together usihg VK's persoal pulling power). So whilst I have reservations, and would put Cooper well ahead of him in my preferences, I'd not entirely rule him out if - and this is an important caveat - he came with the sort of top class, experienced coaching team he lacked elsewhere.

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Re: Next manager

Post by NottsClaret » Sun May 26, 2024 1:18 pm

Lampard is a s***e manager, however you dress it up.
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Re: Next manager

Post by Murger » Sun May 26, 2024 1:26 pm

I hope to god we don’t get Fat Frank. But you can see Pace going for someone like him.

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Re: Next manager

Post by helmclaret » Sun May 26, 2024 1:29 pm

Why can you? He’s only appointed one manager.

Give the guy a chance.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Shaun1983 » Sun May 26, 2024 1:30 pm

Would prefer Frank Sidebottom to Frank Lampard

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Re: Next manager

Post by theduke » Sun May 26, 2024 1:37 pm

David Moyes is not dropping into the championship to manage us.

As much chance as pol pot winning the nobel peace prize

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Re: Next manager

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Sun May 26, 2024 1:42 pm

Really makes you wonder just how good some of these agents are. The fact that Lampard's name is even being mentioned is crazy, he is absolutely no where near the level required.

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Re: Next manager

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Sun May 26, 2024 1:46 pm

Lampard is absolute dogshit. Good job it is only a rumour from Nixon.

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Re: Next manager

Post by Murger » Sun May 26, 2024 1:47 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 1:29 pm
Why can you? He’s only appointed one manager.

Give the guy a chance.
Because of the similarities between Lampard and Kompany.

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