ARTICLE: New deal for one of our own Jay Rod

[Burnley Ace]

Some people are strange. Why would you be gutted at us resigning someone who proved he could still hit around 20 goals a season at this level when first choice.
He might not start every week but he brings us quality and experience.

He has only hit 20 league goals once in his career.

[helmclaret]

This

We’ve got 40 odd players!

He’s a Burnley lad and been a top player but it doesn’t make much sense to me this.

[Goliath]

He has only hit 20 league goals once in his career.

Was that the previous time he was in the championship by any chance? He's spent most of his time in the PL you seem to be forgetting

[Burnley Ace]

He's still too good for the Champ. He was scoring for fun until he got his injury in 22/23.

21/22 it was 2 in 29
20/21 it was 1 in 31
19/20 it was 8 in 36.

Barley 1 goal in 10.

[Burnley Ace]

Was that the previous time he was in the championship by any chance? He's spent most of his time in the PL you seem to be forgetting

Yes, 18/19 playing for West Brom, but he still only got 10 in 28 when we were promoted.

[Vegas Claret]

Anyone got Andrew Drivers mobile no as well

Nothing against Jay at all but this smells of a signing of financial implications as much as squad strengthening - short term, though not necessarily cheap, deal in case we maybe can't afford others without outgoings ?

it smacks of someone at the club realising we aren't getting out of the Championship unless the squad has some serious experience in it

[ClaretPete001]

it smacks of someone at the club realising we aren't getting out of the Championship unless the squad has some serious experience in it

I hate to be the cynic, but a more plausible explanation would be he has signed a one year contract, won't cost anything and will be gone if we go up.

[ClaretPete001]

Yes, 18/19 playing for West Brom, but he still only got 10 in 28 when we were promoted.

22 in 45 for West Brom you mean? Some of the 28 were subs appearances after injury,

And 10 in 28 is still less than 1 in 3 goals per game.

[Vegas Claret]

I hate to be the cynic, but a more plausible explanation would be he has signed a one year contract, won't cost anything and will be gone if we go up.

oh you old cynic !

[Goliath]

21/22 it was 2 in 29
20/21 it was 1 in 31
19/20 it was 8 in 36.

Barley 1 goal in 10.

Ah yes let's leave out some important facts. In none of those seasons was he first choice so the majority of those are sub appearances. There were also a good number of cup goals which are conveniently missed out if you just go off league appearances.

Also, since when has the main asset of his been his goals? That's just an added bonus. His link play and experience is what we need him for.

Finally, you seem to have missed out 22/23 where he was well on for 20 before his injury.

[ClaretPete001]

oh you old cynic !

I know - I am the curmudgeon's curmudgeon: bah humbug. I fully expect the sky to fall on my head when I go out the door.

[ecc]

Some people are strange. Why would you be gutted at us resigning someone who proved he could still hit around 20 goals a season at this level when first choice.
He might not start every week but he brings us quality and experience.

With all due respect and as someone who loves Jay, the stats tell another story. I doubt very much he'd get 20 goals in L1.

[claret2018]

Weghorst and Jay tearing up the league as a front 2 next season

[ClaretPete001]

With all due respect and as someone who loves Jay, the stats tell another story. I doubt very much he'd get 20 goals in L1.

The stats are 62 goals in 158 games at 1 goal per 2.5 games.
Games Goals
2010–11 Championship 42 14
2011–12 Championship 37 15
2009–10 Championship 6 1
2018–19 Championship 45 22
2022–23 Championship 28 10

1 goal in 2.5 games strikers' don't come cheap...!

[ClaretTony]

We’ve got 40 odd players!

He’s a Burnley lad and been a top player but it doesn’t make much sense to me this.

We’ve got 36 players I think but they won’t all be here come August. We will be trying to sell those we think we can get decent money for. Trafford, Estève and Trésor all been linked with moves already.

Makes sense to me. A player with vast experience who was excellent last time in the Championship and better than some will give him credit for last season.

[GetIntoEm]

Signing a player when managerless? Concerned that Bellamy may be taking the managers job.

Managers don't write player contracts.

Good news for me, top striker at this level. Any club in this league would be envious of us having Jay as a backup striker. That includes the ones at the top of the league.

[agreenwood]

I doubt this would have happened if Kompany remained in charge.

“Being offered another year was a proud moment and there was no way I could say no.

It was a no brainer for myself, my family and my friends and there was nothing else in my mind apart from signing and playing for this club for as long as I can”.

He could be lying of course.

[Murger]

“Being offered another year was a proud moment and there was no way I could say no.

It was a no brainer for myself, my family and my friends and there was nothing else in my mind apart from signing and playing for this club for as long as I can”.

He could be lying of course.

If it was a no brainier, why the delay?

[ClaretTony]

“Being offered another year was a proud moment and there was no way I could say no.

It was a no brainer for myself, my family and my friends and there was nothing else in my mind apart from signing and playing for this club for as long as I can”.

He could be lying of course.

I think he was really torn with this for a while given his lack of opportunities in the side. But I know how much playing for Burnley means to him.

[Taffy on the wing]

Not the most flattering picture CT. Still delighted he’s signed though.

Beat me to it.......he looks like a Squirrel

[agreenwood]

If it was a no brainier, why the delay?

I’ve no idea. He could have been on holiday. His agent might have been wrangling over a few details.

I’m not saying he was always going to sign the contract. He is.

There’s zero guarantee he’ll be playing under the next manager.

[Conroy92]

If Jay, Foster, Weghorst and Obafemi are the answer - I've no idea what the question is.

Jesus.

Jay, a good backup, good record in the division, experienced head.

Foster- when used in his natural position at the start of this season looked a different beast. Didn't look up to it in the champ last time. And enigma for me currently. But if he shows what he did at the start of this season consistently in a poorer division he'll be one of the best strikers in the league.
Weghorst- a player that's played in the top leagues all his career, an international and European player. To suggest he wouldn't be an answer olat championship level is well, laughable at best.
Obafemi- seems to be a run of the mill championship striker- questions around attitude maybe but definitely a decent backup.

Weghorst and Foster up top at championship level would absolutely destroy teams.

[ClaretTony]

Not the most flattering picture CT. Still delighted he’s signed though.

I was tempted to use this one

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[exilecanada]

In light of Kompany's departure, maybe Charlie Taylor will sign a new deal? JBG to have a change of heart? We could certainly use the experience.

[ClaretPete001]

Jesus.

Jay, a good backup, good record in the division, experienced head.

Foster- when used in his natural position at the start of this season looked a different beast. Didn't look up to it in the champ last time. And enigma for me currently. But if he shows what he did at the start of this season consistently in a poorer division he'll be one of the best strikers in the league.
Weghorst- a player that's played in the top leagues all his career, an international and European player. To suggest he wouldn't be an answer olat championship level is well, laughable at best.
Obafemi- seems to be a run of the mill championship striker- questions around attitude maybe but definitely a decent backup.

Weghorst and Foster up top at championship level would absolutely destroy teams.

I think Foster scored when we played a very high press 4-3-3 seemed to do less well in the 4-4-2.

I can't see Weghorst coming back, I'm sure he would do a job in the championship but he's shown no sign of wanting to play in the Championship in the past and he's just scored 1 in 3 in the Bundesliga.

No one is going to pay anything like £5 million for Obafemi. He's now 23 and only had one good season so I guess he will be back with us.

[CoolClaret]

21/22 it was 2 in 29
20/21 it was 1 in 31
19/20 it was 8 in 36.

Barley 1 goal in 10.

What about his record for us in 22/23 ?

Conveniently leaved that one out.

[Goliath]

Some will will disagree but when Jay Rod first played for us I saw him as more of a Delli Alli type player. He had a totally different body shape, as thin as a lath was a bit quicker than he is now but had clever feet and seemed to ghost into the box from deep. I was not surprised when he was called up for England - he really was that good. Of course, he then got injured.

I actually thought he played some of his best football prior to Xmas under VK in a slightly withdrawn role prior to being injured . Last season, he played mainly as an out and out striker when Foster was not playing whereas I think he is better suited to a more deep lying role playing alongside an out and out striker.

Of course, he is a bit of a unit now but I thought he played well last season and still has an eye for goal but he's not a centre forward. I think a lot will depend on whether Amdouni, stays and if the Championship suits him more than the PL but certainly Jay Rod will be a good backup because we know at this level his footballing brain is still there even if the speed isn't...!.

I agree entirely with this. He isn't and never has been a number 9. This is why we should have seen him more in tandem with Foster who's strengths are basically the polar opposite

[bobinho]

Can’t say I’m happy with this, but neither am I disappointed. People going on about his “experience”… what exactly IS that? As far as I can see it just means he’s getting on a bit.
He’s been a decent championship player for a few years, he's also been a decent PL player, admittedly only for a couple of seasons. I just don’t get what he brings tbh. He’s simply not good enough for ten goals let alone the 20 someone suggested earlier. Had a couple of half decent games last season, but we also saw him outplayed to frustration at Salford. Legs not what they were - that initial burst of speed enabling him to create space is long gone.
Hope I’m wrong and he shows us that he can be more than what I think he is.

Having said all that, I hope we have a manager who recognises that when someone is playing up top and they are having a mare, the decision is taken to use Jay when it’s obvious he’d be better than what we are seeing. When foster is on it, they aren’t in the same league - when he isn’t he’s shockingly bad. That’s when Jay is the better option, but only really because there’s no one else.

[Dark Cloud]

It's ok, but if he turns into next season's Jack Cork then it's money totally wasted. If he's still got something to offer and if he's worth giving a contact to, use him!!!

[boyyanno]

If Jay, Foster, Weghorst and Obafemi are the answer - I've no idea what the question is.

Really?

Have we ever had 4 better strikers at the club while in the Championship?

Jay- was on for 15-20 last time round in the Championship and has been a PL player for most of his career.

Foster looked capable of scoring at PL level admittedly was a bit Jekyll and Hyde but if the right Foster turns up then he'll smash it at that level.

Weghorst- Is too good for the Championship but not suited to the PL, a current Dutch International and scored goals pretty much everywhere bar his spell in the PL. Unlikely to be here anyway.

Obefami- a good squad option who we offered a decent amount for not too long ago, and who came in at little cost. Might be a bad egg but he has some ability.

I'm not sure many sides will have 4 better strikers than that. I'd expect at least Weghorst to leave anyway and I wouldn't be averse to signing someone like Whittaker at Plymouth as Foster may miss some games too, but we've got a pretty decent set of strikers and they've got nice varied skillsets between them.

[Burnley Ace]

What about his record for us in 22/23 ?

Conveniently leaved that one out.

My comment was in response to a statement that up until his injury he had been scoring “for fun” - he hadn’t. I have commented else where that in our record braking season when we scored 87 goals, his contribution was 10 goals in 28, not good enough

[Burnley Ace]

Ah yes let's leave out some important facts. In none of those seasons was he first choice so the majority of those are sub appearances. There were also a good number of cup goals which are conveniently missed out if you just go off league appearances.

Also, since when has the main asset of his been his goals? That's just an added bonus. His link play and experience is what we need him for.

Finally, you seem to have missed out 22/23 where he was well on for 20 before his injury.

So in summary over the last 5 years he has been injury prone, hasn’t been a regular starter and his main asset isn’t scoring goals? wow that’s really inspiring.

[Burnley Ace]

The stats are 62 goals in 158 games at 1 goal per 2.5 games.
Games Goals
2010–11 Championship 42 14
2011–12 Championship 37 15
2009–10 Championship 6 1
2018–19 Championship 45 22
2022–23 Championship 28 10

1 goal in 2.5 games strikers' don't come cheap...!

30 of those goals are 10+ years ago!!! You should add in his schoolboy goals and get it down to a goal a game!

[CoolClaret]

My comment was in response to a statement that up until his injury he had been scoring “for fun” - he hadn’t. I have commented else where that in our record braking season when we scored 87 goals, his contribution was 10 goals in 28, not good enough

10 goals in 28 playing as a deep lying forward linking play up is more than ok. Two of our wingers scored 28 goals between them.

[ClaretPete001]

30 of those goals are 10+ years ago!!! You should add in his schoolboy goals and get it down to a goal a game!

He wasn't playing in the championship when he was schoolboy...!

His goals per game was better in the 22/3 season than those over ten years ago.

All you have to do is look at wikipedia......!

[IanMcL]

I am pleased. Good luck Mr Rodriguez

[leelad]

Pleased with this. Brings experience and nous of the Championship, hope we use him in the same way like we did with Ashley Barnes in our Championship winning campaign. I would be using him from the bench more often than not. But it's very early days yet in our transfer dealings.

[boatshed bill]

Really?

Have we ever had 4 better strikers at the club while in the Championship?

Jay- was on for 15-20 last time round in the Championship and has been a PL player for most of his career.

Foster looked capable of scoring at PL level admittedly was a bit Jekyll and Hyde but if the right Foster turns up then he'll smash it at that level.

Weghorst- Is too good for the Championship but not suited to the PL, a current Dutch International and scored goals pretty much everywhere bar his spell in the PL. Unlikely to be here anyway.

Obefami- a good squad option who we offered a decent amount for not too long ago, and who came in at little cost. Might be a bad egg but he has some ability.

I'm not sure many sides will have 4 better strikers than that. I'd expect at least Weghorst to leave anyway and I wouldn't be averse to signing someone like Whittaker at Plymouth as Foster may miss some games too, but we've got a pretty decent set of strikers and they've got nice varied skillsets between them.

Morgan Whittaker is not a centre-forward, he's more like a winger.

[Passing Clouds]

I agree entirely with this. He isn't and never has been a number 9. This is why we should have seen him more in tandem with Foster who's strengths are basically the polar opposite

Would like to see Jay and Foster together. An experienced pro taking the heat of an exciting, if fragile, young talent.

These partnerships of experience and promise, were exactly what was missing last season!

[CrosspoolClarets]

Baffled by the criticism of this. Need leadership on the training pitch and in the dressing room. Vital even if he doesn’t play. A squad isn’t just the 11 on the pitch. Their value isn’t just when they get called in to play.

[Shaggy]

I don’t understand all the negativity towards this deal.

He is a claret through and through and is more than good enough for the championship. Every ying needs a yang, and as we have such a young inexperienced squad it makes perfect sense to have an older more experienced head in there.

[ClaretPete001]

Very expensive to buy a 1 in 2.x striker in the Championship and it would cost along contract. Jay makes sense from a number of perspectives and the club likely has little option.

Lyle Foster reminds me a little of Andre Gray albeit I'm not sure he is going to be as good. He would have been brilliant in a Dyche side who suck sides in a then hit on the counter attack.

One of the problems of slow possession football is that it creates traffic, which causes problems for strikers like Foster. Early season we played a very high press and overwhelmed teams, which gave Foster chances unfortunately it gave the opposition even more chances.

As the PL got used to us they just sat in and took us on the break. The two classic examples were Forest and Newcastle - the two last games, which proved if anything we had learned next to nothing all season.

It also makes you look better than you are but more to the point makes it hard for young strikers like Foster and Fofana who have no space to work in and can't use their primary assets, which is pace off the shoulders of centre halves.

The goal against Luton is a classic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2_jy-4Qsg

[Silkyskills1]

Hoping for something brighter and smarter in and around the penalty area than those mentioned earlier in the thread. Love Jay but sentimentality has no place in modern day football.

[CoolClaret]

Very expensive to buy a 1 in 2.x striker in the Championship and it would cost along contract. Jay makes sense from a number of perspectives and the club likely has little option.

Lyle Foster reminds me a little of Andre Gray albeit I'm not sure he is going to be as good. He would have been brilliant in a Dyche side who suck sides in a then hit on the counter attack.

One of the problems of slow possession football is that it creates traffic, which causes problems for strikers like Foster. Early season we played a very high press and overwhelmed teams, which gave Foster chances unfortunately it gave the opposition even more chances.

As the PL got used to us they just sat in and took us on the break. The two classic examples were Forest and Newcastle - the two last games, which proved if anything we had learned next to nothing all season.

It also makes you look better than you are but more to the point makes it hard for young strikers like Foster and Fofana who have no space to work in and can't use their primary assets, which is pace off the shoulders of centre halves.

The goal against Luton is a classic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2_jy-4Qsg

I thought this would have been more of our approach to last season tbh - tuning the style a bit and playing more on the counter.. we certainly have the players that could have done that (still do).

[Goliath]

Very expensive to buy a 1 in 2.x striker in the Championship and it would cost along contract. Jay makes sense from a number of perspectives and the club likely has little option.

Lyle Foster reminds me a little of Andre Gray albeit I'm not sure he is going to be as good. He would have been brilliant in a Dyche side who suck sides in a then hit on the counter attack.

One of the problems of slow possession football is that it creates traffic, which causes problems for strikers like Foster. Early season we played a very high press and overwhelmed teams, which gave Foster chances unfortunately it gave the opposition even more chances.

As the PL got used to us they just sat in and took us on the break. The two classic examples were Forest and Newcastle - the two last games, which proved if anything we had learned next to nothing all season.

It also makes you look better than you are but more to the point makes it hard for young strikers like Foster and Fofana who have no space to work in and can't use their primary assets, which is pace off the shoulders of centre halves.

The goal against Luton is a classic example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2_jy-4Qsg

The villa away game was the perfect example of that. Foster was absolutely sensational that day because we were giving him balls to chase behind their high line, they could handle him.
We had the team to be set up in a counter attacking 442 and be quite successful with it but we went the opposite way.

[ClaretPete001]

The villa away game was the perfect example of that. Foster was absolutely sensational that day because we were giving him balls to chase behind their high line, they could handle him.
We had the team to be set up in a counter attacking 442 and be quite successful with it but we went the opposite way.

Agree or even better a counter attacking 4-5-1 with two pacy wingers joining Foster.

As CT wrote a wasted season....!

[beddie]

Perhaps Mr Pace could offer Jack Cork a deal, still think he can cut it in the championship.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Great news, still consistently the best striker at the club imo

[THEWELLERNUT70]

22 in 45 for West Brom you mean? Some of the 28 were subs appearances after injury,

And 10 in 28 is still less than 1 in 3 goals per game.

Burnley Ace AKA Eniola Aluko

[JarrowClaret]

I suspect it would definitely have been less likely. Really pleased with this one. I still think he should have used more last season.

Did he actually sign it after Kompany left or was it just announced afterwards?