Next manager

[CoolClaret]

Cifuentes is interesting but his candidacy and reactions to it do show how fickle all this is. His record in Sweden appears to be decent without being especially remarkable, so it's really only his record in steering QPR to safety that is getting him talked about. It's a bit like looking at Lampard's record up to the end of his first season at Chelsea.

Carrick is someone that I think might be quite attractive. He is a biggish name and has done respectably without breaking any pots at Boro whilst playing a brand of football very well aligned to our squad. With the right staff around him he might be a very good option.

I still think Corberan has a better CV than either of them though.

I think he has a pretty good record across a number of teams for win % (in particular Hammarby) - none of them have been a massive side in their respective league either.

[claretspice]

I think he has a pretty good record across a number of teams for win % (in particular Hammarby) - none of them have been a massive side in their respective league either.

Yes, he's got a decent record. But it isn't stellar. If you want someone else who had a good couple of years in Scandinavia (won back to back to back titles) and then a creditable first season in England - I'll give you Jon Dahl Tomasson. Ignoring the Blackburn rivalry, is he someone we should be contemplating? If he isn't it's because of the difficult second season. It's fickle.

Not saying Cifuentes isn't worth investigating. He is, but a dose of caution needed as well.

[CoolClaret]

Yes, he's got a decent record. But it isn't stellar. If you want someone else who had a good couple of years in Scandinavia (won back to back to back titles) and then a creditable first season in England - I'll give you Jon Dahl Tomasson. Ignoring the Blackburn rivalry, is he someone we should be contemplating? If he isn't it's because of the difficult second season. It's fickle.

Not saying Cifuentes isn't worth investigating. He is, but a dose of caution needed as well.

I genuinely wouldn't be opposed to JDT and the hysterics from them down the road would be brilliant... though he's now the Sweden manager and not sure if the rest of the fanbase would be up for that.

He was a bit naive in the game at the Turf and didn't set them up to get a result that day but in the reverse fixture I thought Blackburn had massively improved, they were all over us until Cork came on (a common occurrence with r'Jack) and did a job on Wharton... oh and some Manny Benson magic.

[JohnDearyMe]

Cifuentes is interesting but his candidacy and reactions to it do show how fickle all this is. His record in Sweden appears to be decent without being especially remarkable, so it's really only his record in steering QPR to safety that is getting him talked about. It's a bit like looking at Lampard's record up to the end of his first season at Chelsea.

Carrick is someone that I think might be quite attractive. He is a biggish name and has done respectably without breaking any pots at Boro whilst playing a brand of football very well aligned to our squad. With the right staff around him he might be a very good option.

I still think Corberan has a better CV than either of them though.

Didn't really follow the Championship last season, what went wrong with Middlesbrough? They looked promising the season we were champions

[claretspice]

Didn't really follow the Championship last season, what went wrong with Middlesbrough? They looked promising the season we were champions

Think they had a lot of injuries, had lost a couple of players from the previous season (eg Akpom who scored the goals in 22/23) and probably had a hang over from losing out in the play offs to a Coventry side who'd been inferior over 46 games. But they touched that period out and were a form side after Christmas and ultimately only just missed the play offs, which if anything probably enhances Carrick's reputation.

[Wokingclaret]

Think they had a lot of injuries, had lost a couple of players from the previous season (eg Akpom who scored the goals in 22/23) and probably had a hang over from losing out in the play offs to a Coventry side who'd been inferior over 46 games. But they touched that period out and were a form side after Christmas and ultimately only just missed the play offs, which if anything probably enhances Carrick's reputation.

We'll get a Coventry style response from Boro, that is for certain.......nothing yet

[helmclaret]

Didn't really follow the Championship last season, what went wrong with Middlesbrough? They looked promising the season we were champions

Archer and our Ramsey were a big part of that team.

[ElectroClaret]

Christ on a bike, Tomasson? Seriously?
Some of my Rovers mates who go on season in, season out were sometimes
practically on the point of walking off Deadwood because the football was so awful.
He did bugger all at Rovers, which is basically why they came to a parting of the ways.

Come on.

[Funkydrummer]

Not read the whole thread - has Martinez's hat been thrown in the ring ?

[Vegas Claret]

Carlo Ancelotti's son is one of his coaches, get him in and we can be Real Madrid's feeder club, they can sell us their squad and youth players for 80 quid and buy them back for 10 million

[burnmark]

Nixon reporting that Bellamy has supporters within the club in regards to becoming the next manager.

[123EasyasBFC]

Now Nixon has said Parker, Lampard and Bellamy are leading candidates he will claim he had the inside scoop. If you throw enough names one will stick

[123EasyasBFC]

Bellamy stinks of cheap option like laws was

[RVclaret]

Now Nixon has said Parker, Lampard and Bellamy are leading candidates he will claim he had the inside scoop. If you throw enough names one will stick

So he’s been right on Cooper (Athletic then reported it), right on Lampard (same again plus other media outlets) and right on Parker (i know he’s in for the job), what’s the issue here, do you realise there are often several names in for a job?

As for Bellamy, interesting he’s got major support internally, someone was inferring he wasn’t well liked at the training ground recently.

[Row Z]

Bellamy stinks of cheap option like laws was

Given the big sides are struggling to recruit a high calibre of manager (Chelsea / United / Bayern etc) then I think it more highlights the lack of options.

Lampard has been called the cheap and unimaginative option. Same for Parker.

We are in a challenging position as whoever comes in is expected to get promotion. If it’s a big name then they risk their reputation if we don’t go up. If it’s a smaller name the fans are underwhelmed.

Carrick has been written off despite keeping Boro competitive. Parker has two promotions. Lampard kept the basket case of Everton up in the prem and did ok at the circus that is Chelsea.

For what it’s worth Bellamy would retain continuity, knows VK’s formula but by all accounts may be wanting a more flexible approach.

[louieollie]

Nixon is just a chancer feeding off tit bits and other more reputable journalists.........throw enough s@@t some will eventually stick. But it won't stop his online worshipper's, you don't have to be supposedly lTK to put 2&2 together to see who may be on the list 🫣

[123EasyasBFC]

So he’s been right on Cooper (Athletic then reported it), right on Lampard (same again plus other media outlets) and right on Parker (i know he’s in for the job), what’s the issue here, do you realise there are often several names in for a job?

As for Bellamy, interesting he’s got major support internally, someone was inferring he wasn’t well liked at the training ground recently.

The point is Nixon will claim he was right all along which is easy when you name everyone.

Yeah I was told by someone who has a relative coaching in the youth teams that the new academy manager cannot stand Bellamy

[123EasyasBFC]

Given the big sides are struggling to recruit a high calibre of manager (Chelsea / United / Bayern etc) then I think it more highlights the lack of options.

Lampard has been called the cheap and unimaginative option. Same for Parker.

We are in a challenging position as whoever comes in is expected to get promotion. If it’s a big name then they risk their reputation if we don’t go up. If it’s a smaller name the fans are underwhelmed.

Carrick has been written off despite keeping Boro competitive. Parker has two promotions. Lampard kept the basket case of Everton up in the prem and did ok at the circus that is Chelsea.

For what it’s worth Bellamy would retain continuity, knows VK’s formula but by all accounts may be wanting a more flexible approach.

Carrick for me would be one of the best shouts of the lot. But I would have Lampard and Parker over Bellamy

[taio]

Nixon reporting that Bellamy has supporters within the club in regards to becoming the next manager.

I understand many of the players want Bellamy and Jackson.

[RVclaret]

I understand many of the players want Bellamy and Jackson.

V interesting.

[Murger]

Bellamy

Jesus wept. Is this the best we can do?

[Penwortham_Claret]

I understand many of the players want Bellamy and Jackson.

Which is enough of a reason to not even consider him. We need somebody to come in and make some tough decisions and push this group to increase their effort levels.

All that said, the main issue is that for the last 12 month, Bellamy has only been working a 3 day week in order to protect his mental health which is commendable but not workable when running a club as head coach. I worry the additional stress/demands would be a negative for him and his family.

Very happy to have him here as a number 2 though

[randomclaret2]

I understand many of the players want Bellamy and Jackson.

Reason enough not to appoint them

[warksclaret]

It might be that Bellamy/Jackson are liked by the players because VK was a monster in this last season. Good cop-bad cop. It seems risky, and a cop out (pardon the pun). VK's style of play was very easy on the eye but a disaster in the PL (Luton got more points), so I cannot support the view these two existing coaches would oversee continuity into VK's style. A new manager,(the right manager), will find his own style, that not only works in the Championship, but gives us a fighting chance in the PL. What might be preferrable, if the new manager agrees, is to negotiate both these guys, or one of them, to be retained . That could help the new manager decide which of the squad are culled, because this seriously needs doing

[taio]

Reason enough not to appoint them

Wouldn't be my preference, but why?

[Murger]

Wouldn't be my preference, but why?

Why do we want a continuity candidate after last seasons shambles?

[taio]

Why do we want a continuity candidate after last seasons shambles?

I didn't say you or I do. That wasn't my point.

[Sproggy]

Because we will probably have the same players to work with and we only lost 3 times last time we were in the Championship?

[ArmchairDetective]

I'm not totally against giving Bellamy and Jackson 5-10 games. If that's what the players are after and it keeps some continuity. We don't need a major overhaul of the playing squad again, therefore we're less reliant on using VK's contacts and reputation to bring players in.

It's a risk but any new appointment is a risk. The links we've had so far aren't the most exciting. My thoughts would be different if we'd been linked with more exciting or established names. I don't know how true Nixon's report is. But if we assume it is, maybe Alan and the board have looked at who's available at the moment and don't think it's worth changing the set up of the club for someone on their shortlist.

[Murger]

Because we will probably have the same players to work with and we only lost 3 times last time we were in the Championship?

Who also tubbed week after week last season. More of the same isn’t really a plan.

[123EasyasBFC]

There isn’t many managers who go from number 2 to number 1 at the same club and end up successful

Tindle tried it at Bournemouth and it didn’t work
Shakespeare at Leicester and that didn’t work

Are two recent ones I remember

[Rileybobs]

Bellamy would seem like a disaster to me for a number of reasons. But primarily because if things start badly next season we’ll be in an enormous pickle. At least Kompany has legged it immediately as the season finished which gives us ample time to put a new management team in place.

[RVclaret]

Bellamy would seem like a disaster to me for a number of reasons. But primarily because if things start badly next season we’ll be in an enormous pickle. At least Kompany has legged it immediately as the season finished which gives us ample time to put a new management team in place.

Would we be in an enormous pickle if we start badly under another manager? What would be the main difference with Bellamy?

[Murger]

Would we be in an enormous pickle if we start badly under another manager? What would be the main difference with Bellamy?

Well if it’s true he only works 3 day weeks because of his mental health, that’s not a great start.

[Dyched]

The club needs to figure out what it wants. Get anyone in who’s a big name like VK and a successful season could see us back in the same position again.

Take Gerrard for example. Promotion with us and a shite season with the new guy at Liverpool and he’s off.

[RVclaret]

Well if it’s true he only works 3 day weeks because of his mental health, that’s not a great start.

I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be in the running at all, and wouldn’t be keen on the job, if that’s the case? I mean he will have an idea how much work it requires…

[PremierLeagueClass]

Who also tubbed week after week last season. More of the same isn’t really a plan.

If it gets us back up (which we know it has the potential to do) it’s very much a good plan…

What happens after that’s achieved is a different conversation. This season is all about bouncing straight back, which is why I could see Bellamy appealing to the board with the continuity he will bring to a tried and tested approach.

[daveisaclaret]

Think it would be better to appoint a good manager than settling for Bellamy

[Murger]

If it gets us back up (which we know it has the potential to do) it’s very much a good plan…

What happens after that’s achieved is a different conversation. This season is all about bouncing straight back, which is why I could see Bellamy appealing to the board with the continuity he will bring to a tried and tested approach.

But he’s never managed before. Can we really afford to be putting a rookie in charge?

[Rileybobs]

Would we be in an enormous pickle if we start badly under another manager? What would be the main difference with Bellamy?

We would. But this summer presents a better opportunity to get the right management team in place whereas mid-season wouldn’t.

I don’t like the idea of continuity in this case, we have seen poor standards of discipline and work rate this year and Bellamy has been part of the management team overseeing and enabling this. We’ve had fairly concrete suggestions of dressing room disharmony which again has been under Bellamy’s watch. Things need a shake up and the club needs a strong identity and culture which it currently lacks.

I think it’s likely we’ll go for an out of work manager as Pace will be doing anything he can to avoid compensating another club. I hope he doesn’t extend this thinking by going for the cheapest option.

[burnmark]

There isn’t many managers who go from number 2 to number 1 at the same club and end up successful

Tindle tried it at Bournemouth and it didn’t work
Shakespeare at Leicester and that didn’t work

Are two recent ones I remember

It does seem a trend to avoid and I don’t want us to follow it this time but we did benefit from Jimmy Mullen.

[dougcollins]

This is the problem I think. Is the view a manager to get us up, then a manager for the PL - or a more long-term view keeping with the same one.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not trying to be cantankerous but Jimmy Mullen was the opposite for us.

Of course it has worked in the past I’m just saying more often than not it doesn’t work out

[burnmark]

Of course it has worked in the past I’m just saying more often than not it doesn’t work out

I’ve just edited my post as it sounded a bit ‘arsey’ which wasn’t my aim.

[clarethomer]

Like Groundhog Day on here at times.

I remember all the uproar about VK never managing in the championship and we should be looking at the likes of stalwarts who had a record of promotion from that division.

I think whoever we get- we just need to get behind them.

You would hope with the players we have, we have a decent chance of having a decent season.

Not sure Bellamy or Jackson are the answer but none of us know the reality of the environment the new manager is walking into.

Past performance isn’t a guarantee of future performance.

Eddie Howe was far from spectacular but he’s built experience and got better. Young managers will progress just like players. It’s a point I think does get overlooked. Especially when you don’t really know what they were necessarily dealing with in those past roles too.

[NottsClaret]

The only single reason Bellamy would get it is because it means we don't have to pay him off and hire someone else. There's no other reason. His CV wouldn't get him anywhere near an interview. Be supportive by all means, but let's be honest about why we'd be giving an absolute novice the keys to a recent £90m investment.

[RVclaret]

We would. But this summer presents a better opportunity to get the right management team in place whereas mid-season wouldn’t.

I don’t like the idea of continuity in this case, we have seen poor standards of discipline and work rate this year and Bellamy has been part of the management team overseeing and enabling this. We’ve had fairly concrete suggestions of dressing room disharmony which again has been under Bellamy’s watch. Things need a shake up and the club needs a strong identity and culture which it currently lacks.

I think it’s likely we’ll go for an out of work manager as Pace will be doing anything he can to avoid compensating another club. I hope he doesn’t extend this thinking by going for the cheapest option.

Think we can put most of this season gone down to Kompany to be honest. I get what you are saying obviously. But I feel he’s always been the man that decides everything. Reading between the lines of many players wanting Bellamy and Jackson suggests similar?

I guess it depends which view you take

1) last season was an absolute shambles and we need to rip up everything, change the strategy and start again. In this case continuity of play style makes no sense and why you’d want someone like Moyes for a win at all costs approach.

2) can see what was being tried, Kompany got a hell of a lot wrong from start to finish, but still we looked a v competitive PL team towards the back end, and if that style was to continue into the Champ we would do very well (highlighting we beat 2x probable top 6 Champ teams 3 times out of 4, which should have been 4/4).

[jojomk1]

Bellamy

Jesus wept. Is this the best we can do?

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but,
Bellamy and Jackson have decided not to follow Kompany - ask yourself why
A new manager will no doubt want to bring in his own team so they would both likely be out of a job in such a scenario
The pair of them will, no doubt, have been asked for their feedback on last season, also which players (in their eyes) need to stay and which need to go.
A new manager will not have a lot of time or experience of the players to make qualified decisions
Time is of the essence in getting this unbalanced, and totally excess squad sorted before any new incomings can even be considered
The resigning of Jay is an example of that - Pace will not have made this decision of his own volition but most likely persuaded by Bellamy
Would not be surprised if this temp appointment is still in place at the start of the season

[Murger]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but,
Bellamy and Jackson have decided not to follow Kompany - ask yourself why
A new manager will no doubt want to bring in his own team so they would both likely be out of a job in such a scenario
The pair of them will, no doubt, have been asked for their feedback on last season, also which players (in their eyes) need to stay and which need to go.
Time is of the essence in getting this unbalanced, and totally excess squad sorted before any new incomings can even be considered
The resigning of Jay is an example of that - Pace will not have made this decision of his own volition but most likely persuaded by Bellamy
Would not be surprised if this temp appointment is still in place at the start of the season

But Bellamy and Jackson were part of that setup.
We are talking about 1 of the promotion favourites giving the job to a rookie and a failed lower league manager.

[IanMcL]

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but,
Bellamy and Jackson have decided not to follow Kompany - ask yourself why.

Can't speak German, perhaps?