Trafford to Chelsea?

[blatherwickstattoos]

Sorry, Cool, but the Spurs goal is very much a goalkeeping error.
I'm not going into the tactical side of things, but the errors are there.
For me all 3 goalkeepers are good enough for the Championship, Trafford may end up higher but that's not a given.
I'd sell all 3, get a couple of new ones in, start afresh with our new GK coach... simple as that

You do know muric was asked to **** about with short passes off VK don’t you ?

[boatshed bill]

You do know muric was asked to **** about with short passes off VK don’t you ?

I'm not sure that's relevant. I'm sure that neither goalkeeper used last season was up to it.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I'm not sure that's relevant. I'm sure that neither goalkeeper used last season was up to it.

It’s relevant when the mistakes come from pointless passing it out from the back tactics set from the manager

[Darthlaw]

Muric’s famed distribution fell away toward the end of the season as teams learned to press us, so I think a full PL season in nets wouldn’t have been as different to Traffords, as some are suggesting.

Regardless, as per Trafford, this was down to VK’s tactics, rather than Muric’s passing deteriorating.

I’ve said it before, Trafford needs games to develop but he won’t be able to do that at BFC without a good heap of supporters on his back.

[CoolClaret]

Sorry, Cool, but the Spurs goal is very much a goalkeeping error.
I'm not going into the tactical side of things, but the errors are there.
For me all 3 goalkeepers are good enough for the Championship, Trafford may end up higher but that's not a given.
I'd sell all 3, get a couple of new ones in, start afresh with our new GK coach... simple as that

Why would you want to sell all three? That's ridiculous.

One has just posted the best save percentage (min 8 games) in the PL since David De Gea's best season.

Honestly more people need to realise that suicide tactics and training ground routines make stuff like this happen - it was the same with Maatsen in the UCL final for Dortmund.

Under stress/pressure you default to your training - if in your training you're doing intricate routines up and down the pitch at all costs and get b0llocked for ever lining it then what do you think will happen when those situations arise in game?

[123EasyasBFC]

Trafford is only being linked with a move away because he’s English and it’s English tax, if Trafford was from Kosovo coming off the season he’s had nobody would be looking at him

[CoolClaret]

Muric proved to us imo that he can do the job of a keeper to a very high standard in the PL.

Have a manager that will drop the line 5/10 yard deeper and have him put his foot through it on more occasions rather than forcing him and you have a top keeper there for 7-10 years, that cost us 3 mill.

It's that simple for me.

[boatshed bill]

Why would you want to sell all three? That's ridiculous.

Because, while any of the 3 will be fine in the Championship, I don't think they are PL standard.
So if we are fortunate enough to get promoted next season we may well find ourselves wanting a better goalkeeper.

[CoolClaret]

Because, while any of the 3 will be fine in the Championship, I don't think they are PL standard.
So if we are fortunate enough to get promoted next season we may well find ourselves wanting a better goalkeeper.

I think you're looking at the game wrong tbh Bill.

A better manager last season not hellbent on promoting their 'brand' keeps that side up, imo.

[boatshed bill]

I think you're looking at the game wrong tbh Bill.

A better manager last season not hellbent on promoting their 'brand' keeps that side up, imo.

I've heard several excuses: manager, tactics, goalie coach, crowd's moaning...
Suffice to say it's my opinion that they are not quite up to PL standard. Compare, say, with Tom Heaton.

[pureclaret]

or Bayern Munich

[CoolClaret]

I've heard several excuses: manager, tactics, goalie coach, crowd's moaning...
Suffice to say it's my opinion that they are not quite up to PL standard. Compare, say, with Tom Heaton.

How do you think Tom Heaton or Nick Pope would look taking 90 touches a game with one of the highest defensive lines in world football?

[boatshed bill]

How do you think Tom Heaton or Nick Pope would look taking 90 touches a game with one of the highest defensive lines in world football?

I said Tom Heaton, who would have (IMO) kept us in more games with his quality.

[CoolClaret]

I said Tom Heaton, who would have (IMO) kept us in more games with his quality.

Can you not appreciate that Dyche's system is much 'friendlier' to goalkeepers?

Muric posted the best save percentage that any Burnley goalkeeper has done in the PL with a team that's wide open and asks a lot of their keeper.

I love(d) Heaton and Pope - two brilliant players for us but they'd have struggled (Pope especially) doing what VK asked of his team/goalkeepers last year.

[Penwortham_Claret]

I heard a whisper from a sauce that Kompany is contractually obliged to take him to Munich

[Terry Cochrane]

Trafford - Anything over £15m we paid for him and that would be a bonanza - a £5m profit would be nice.

[Darnhill Claret]

Both of our keepers will continue to improve with time and experience. Trafford is a 'baby' age wise and Muric, still a 'youngster' in their goalkeeping development.
Both are Premier League class, but haven't yet found the consistency required due to their age and lack of experience.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I heard a whisper from a sauce that Kompany is contractually obliged to take him to Munich

be careful what you hear mate

[Big Vinny K]

I heard a whisper from a sauce that Kompany is contractually obliged to take him to Munich

Brown or red ?

[LaLigaClaret]

So Kompany wants Trafford at Munich. Let him have him but the price is £40 million plus 30% add on for a future transfer. If Liverpool, Chelsea or Newcastle want him then £25m plus 20% add on is more realistic but make the Germans pay a higher price as they clearly like paying well over the odds rather than a true value. Kompany's reported wage is testament to that.

[Goliath]

Can you not appreciate that Dyche's system is much 'friendlier' to goalkeepers?

Muric posted the best save percentage that any Burnley goalkeeper has done in the PL with a team that's wide open and asks a lot of their keeper.

I love(d) Heaton and Pope - two brilliant players for us but they'd have struggled (Pope especially) doing what VK asked of his team/goalkeepers last year.

It's friendlier in terms of clean sheets and having less big chances to save. But a wide open team usually flatters goalkeepers in that they get to show off their shot stopping ability.

[CoolClaret]

It's friendlier in terms of clean sheets and having less big chances to save. But a wide open team usually flatters goalkeepers in that they get to show off their shot stopping ability.

Whilst I do agree there'll generally be more saves (and more 'good looking' saves), it's more the save % remaining high which is impressive, as well as the 'goals prevented' metric.

[kentonclaret]

I heard a whisper from a sauce that Kompany is contractually obliged to take him to Munich

That sounds like a Bratwurst.

A bit of a whopper.

[Jamesy]

Both of our keepers will continue to improve with time and experience. Trafford is a 'baby' age wise and Muric, still a 'youngster' in their goalkeeping development.
Both are Premier League class, but haven't yet found the consistency required due to their age and lack of experience.

I think in Trafford’s case, he would benefit massively if we had a good goalkeeping coach.
He is obviously a good goalkeeper, otherwise he wouldn’t have been at City and England U-21’s. He can obviously master the basics, however I feel if he had someone who could “toughen him up” both physically and mentally, he could reach that top echelon of goalkeepers.
By this I mean proper coaching on when to come for a high ball, or stay at home. Having the confidence to clean out players in his path when coming for a cross or corner. These are the areas he was struggling with last season.
He is never going to be a big imposing keeper like David Seaman or Peter Scmeichel, however if we look at Pickford for Everton and England he makes the most of his presence, and size and stature similar to Trafford’s and has been England’s number one for many years now, even though he plays for a team that flirts with relegation every season.
If the lad does get a move this summer it will be money in the bank for us and hopefully he will find a coach who can take him to the next level in his development. If he doesn’t, let’s hope the new manager brings a good goalkeeping coach with him to benefit both Trafford and Muric.

[beddie]

Pickford is good with his feet as well, often pinging some accurate long balls, Traff will need to improve in this area also.

[GetIntoEm]

few pages back, but the story about Trafford and little kid is absolute codswallop. i've met him a few times and he's fantastic with kids, always engages with them and has a little chat. Maybe he was in game mode, and it didnt meet the expectations of the kid, but to say "get him out of my club" is a bit excessive.

he's a really nice lad.

[Jamesy]

Pickford is good with his feet as well, often pinging some accurate long balls, Traff will need to improve in this area also.

Agreed. He definitely needs the right goalkeeping coaches to progress.

[AlargeClaret]

But but but he’s crap isn’t he ? can’t catch , dive , sweep, kick , control his box etc ? I’d imagine a few of UTC resident pitiful alcoholic “ keeper coaches “ are a bit embarrassed.
Surely we only paid 1 or 2 instalments on his transfer fee though ? I’d always imagined city still owned about 80% of him .

[IanMcL]

I heard a whisper from a sauce that Kompany is contractually obliged to take him to Munich

Ketchup?

[Claret Toni]

few pages back, but the story about Trafford and little kid is absolute codswallop. i've met him a few times and he's fantastic with kids, always engages with them and has a little chat. Maybe he was in game mode, and it didnt meet the expectations of the kid, but to say "get him out of my club" is a bit excessive.

he's a really nice lad.

To add to this, my nephew used to take one of his sons to training at Carlisle a few seasons back, and living in West Cumbria they used to to give JT a lift now and again. When we were linked I asked my nephew what he was like; response:

He went to Carlisle on trial outfield and didn't quite cut it so they asked him to go in goal, and he's been there since a very young age though. He was a nice kid, off farming stock from outside Cockermouth and good family from my interactions with them.

[what_no_pies]

Who are you thinking of?

Muric was obviously nervous starting last season and the crowdn got on his case big time. Took him ages to turn it around.

Dean Marney got dogs abuse before he started getting cult status and worshipped for identical performances.

Chris Iwelumo.

Chris Wood when his performance levels dropped.

Wout Weghorst.

Dwight McNeil got loads of undue stick.

Jeff Hendrick.

Kyle Lafferty.

Lee Grant.

David Jones.

Leon Cort - granted he was bobbins.

We have our fair share of idiots in the stands. Let's not pretend otherwise.

[bumba]

Muric was obviously nervous starting last season and the crowdn got on his case big time. Took him ages to turn it around.

Dean Marney got dogs abuse before he started getting cult status and worshipped for identical performances.

Chris Iwelumo.

Chris Wood when his performance levels dropped.

Wout Weghorst.

Dwight McNeil got loads of undue stick.

Jeff Hendrick.

Kyle Lafferty.

Lee Grant.

David Jones.

Leon Cort - granted he was bobbins.

We have our fair share of idiots in the stands. Let's not pretend otherwise.

The issue last season was the idiot in the dugout

[brunlea99]

Newcastle reported as having made a bid with both clubs in discussions:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... nsfer.html

[helmclaret]

David Eyres must feel like he’s won the lottery

[beddie]

Let’s hope there are other clubs bidding, we might then get to the figure the club are looking for.

[Enola Gay]

Dean Marney got dogs abuse before he started getting cult status and worshipped for identical performances.

I agree with pretty much everything you've posted, but I don't go along with the the idea that the only thing that changed with Marney was the reaction to his performances.

At times in his first season I thought I was watching a taller, balder version of James O'Connor. The consistently good performances he was turning in when he left were miles away from the performances he was putting in when he arrived.

[NewClaret]

No way we should be accepting £16m from Newcastle so early in the summer with other bidders to potentially come in (Bayern, Chelsea, etc).

[daveisaclaret]

Looking more and more like we will get out of this without taking a loss, which is good. Find it a bit funny to imagine VK trying to persuade Bayern's big wigs he needs to spend £20 million on a goalie he had to drop last season.

[NewClaret]

Looking more and more like we will get out of this without taking a loss, which is good. Find it a bit funny to imagine VK trying to persuade Bayern's big wigs he needs to spend £20 million on a goalie he had to drop last season.

Don’t think it’ll be that hard really, he’ll just say he’s a big talent for the future, will learn under Neuer, etc. That’s if he wants him of course. He might’ve been put off too.

[Rileybobs]

If VK took Trafford to Bayern then it should set alarm bells ringing as presumably his company is set to gain from any sell-on profit.

[LongsideClaret]

Told we paid initial £12m with add ons taking it up to a potential £19m. I’d be shocked if any of those add ons were achieved as likely relating to both survival and England caps, neither of which have occurred. City will have a sell on clause but only on profit. I could see us taking a £16m rising to £20m offer which even with City’s sell on would give us a good return for what has been a pretty unsuccessful signing.

[123EasyasBFC]

Told we paid initial £12m with add ons taking it up to a potential £19m. I’d be shocked if any of those add ons were achieved as likely relating to both survival and England caps, neither of which have occurred. City will have a sell on clause but only on profit. I could see us taking a £16m rising to £20m offer which even with City’s sell on would give us a good return for what has been a pretty unsuccessful signing.

When it’s put like that it would be a very good deal, along with the 10m plus add ons for kompany and then hopefully 5m form Ajax or twente for weghorst. 35m in sales before we have even got started properly

[what_no_pies]

I agree with pretty much everything you've posted, but I don't go along with the the idea that the only thing that changed with Marney was the reaction to his performances.

At times in his first season I thought I was watching a taller, balder version of James O'Connor. The consistently good performances he was turning in when he left were miles away from the performances he was putting in when he arrived.

We're you one of the people booing him? He certainly got loads of stick which in my opinion was totally undue.

Granted it was a lot more enjoyable watching him with the crowd behind him rather than listening to him getting abused for putting the same graft in.

He wasn't and still isn't bald either.

[ClaretPete001]

Told we paid initial £12m with add ons taking it up to a potential £19m. I’d be shocked if any of those add ons were achieved as likely relating to both survival and England caps, neither of which have occurred. City will have a sell on clause but only on profit. I could see us taking a £16m rising to £20m offer which even with City’s sell on would give us a good return for what has been a pretty unsuccessful signing.

Who told you that Longside and why do you think we would have a baseline figure rising to a total figure and other clubs wouldn't...!

This is how the BBC reported it....

'Newly promoted Burnley have signed goalkeeper James Trafford from Manchester City in a four-year deal worth up to £19m with add-ons.

City have a 20% sell-on clause and a buy-back option within the deal, which is £15m up front and £4m add-ons.'