Next manager

[giveusaB]

Birmingham City have appointed Tottenham Hotspur assistant boss Chris Davies as their new manager on a four-year deal.
The club spoke to over 40 candidates - reportedly including Frank Lampard and Alex Neil - for the job.

[ElectroClaret]

Lampard and Neil probably aiming for a higher appointment than League One, no disrespect to Brum.

[CoolClaret]

I disagree on Dyche. The sentiment is definitely different today in comparison to when he was sacked.

Really? I think most people on this forum were gutted when he was sacked and still think he's a fabulous manager, as well as most Clarets I know IRL.

[Blyclaret]

Either the West Brom or QPR managers would be an upgrade for starters

[burnley007]

Either the West Brom or QPR managers would be an upgrade for starters

Corboran has MASSIVELY overachieved at West Brom. He would be a good, solid appointment

[RVclaret]

Either the West Brom or QPR managers would be an upgrade for starters

While I would also like Corberan it’s worth highlighting his failure (given we are highlighting the other managers failures more than any success) at Olympiakos where he had a disaster & was sacked. So the only club he’s managed that have had high expectations and it didn’t go well.

Cifuentes you are basing how he’s an upgrade on half a season with QPR? Agree he did a great job there but I’m guessing you didn’t follow Swedish football that much before, where his performance wasn’t exactly outstanding? (Unlike Knutsen at Bodo Glimt)

[northeastclaret]

As we would to Everton and Bayern regarding Dyche & Kompany.

I’d prefer an older more experienced manager but being horrified about a manager with 2 championship promotions or another who’s got to a champions league final and finished 4 in the premier league is the most Burnley Fan reaction I’ve ever known

After what Dyche as done for us why would we ever bad mouth him to Everton fans particularly when he has done far better than Lampard under more difficult circumstances.

If that’s the quality of your contribution about Dyche , there is no point point going any further into your other comments, let’s end it there.

[Penwortham_Claret]

After what Dyche as done for us why would we ever bad mouth him to Everton fans particularly when he has done far better than Lampard under more difficult circumstances.

If that’s the quality of your contribution about Dyche , there is no point point going any further into your other comments, let’s end it there.

Go back to the threads when he left, the sentiment was that he was one dimensional, poor tactics/substitutions, worse football since Cotts winless period etc.

I can’t be bothered searching for examples but they are there!

[ClaretPete001]

While I would also like Corberan it’s worth highlighting his failure (given we are highlighting the other managers failures more than any success) at Olympiakos where he had a disaster & was sacked. So the only club he’s managed that have had high expectations and it didn’t go well.

Cifuentes you are basing how he’s an upgrade on half a season with QPR? Agree he did a great job there but I’m guessing you didn’t follow Swedish football that much before, where his performance wasn’t exactly outstanding? (Unlike Knutsen at Bodo Glimt)

Very few managers succeed all of the time. All of our most inspired managers of the last 50 years: Adamson, Mullen and Coyle to name 3 did nothing anywhere else. Dyche may prove to be the exception.

I think that's why you have to have Directors of Football and try to avoid an overly ideological approach to how the game is played precisely to avoid the issue of being overly reliant on a manager and to avoid the problem of someone else coming in and wanting to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[ClaretPete001]

Go back to the threads when he left, the sentiment was that he was one dimensional, poor tactics/substitutions, worse football since Cotts winless period etc.

I can’t be bothered searching for examples but they are there!

On here, there has been some of that but this is a discussion forum and as with most forums decends into hyperbole and polemics. I think the same comments have been made by the Everton fans.

But the facts are the fact. There is no one else who has taken a club like Burnley into the PL for so long with no real investment and balanced the books. His performance here was phenomenal.

And without the points deduction Everton would have finished 12th not far off what Ancelloti achieved with a huge budget.

[Blyclaret]

I’m basing my opinion on the management history of Lampard and Parker. With Bellamy having no previous experience. But what I am taking from all this is there are not many options out there unless we go looking in Europe

[warksclaret]

After what Dyche as done for us why would we ever bad mouth him to Everton fans particularly when he has done far better than Lampard under more difficult circumstances.

If that’s the quality of your contribution about Dyche , there is no point point going any further into your other comments, let’s end it there.

I was a huge fan of SD until his last 10-12 months, and felt it was time for him to go, and miraculously Jackson nearly kept us up against the odds (it went to the last 10 mins of the season). However since SD has left, my estimation of him as a manager has gone up immensely with the way he has handled himself with all the bad publicity the club has had,and the way he has got Everton playing and with no money to spend.He has a good habit of developing CH's and in Braithwaite we may have one of the best English CH's for the next few years

[ClaretPete001]

I was a huge fan of SD until his last 10-12 months, and felt it was time for him to go, and miraculously Jackson nearly kept us up against the odds (it went to the last 10 mins of the season). However since SD has left, my estimation of him as a manager has gone up immensely with the way he has handled himself with all the bad publicity the club has had,and the way he has got Everton playing and with no money to spend.He has a good habit of developing CH's and in Braithwaite we may have one of the best English CH's for the next few years

It's a pretty unfair view though Warks. We spent no money at all for several windows and ended up with 2 PL centre mids both in their 30s with Jack Cork looking a little injury prone at the time. And Ashley Westwood looking like he was due a season in MLS.

The new owners came in and didn't invest in another Window (albeit you can understand why) but then bought the likes of Cornet who is a quality player and an exciting talent but not what was required

Even the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea can't feck about in the PL with their billions....! Anyway - it's an old argument.

[Hipper]

Regarding Corberan, was there ever any reason given for his resignation at Huddersfield after he had done so well the previous season? His decision led to a disastrous two seasons where they were nearly and then actually relegated last season.

[Blyclaret]

Robbie Keane has just resigned from Maccabi Tel Aviv
Any takers

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Regarding Corberan, was there ever any reason given for his resignation at Huddersfield after he had done so well the previous season? His decision led to a disastrous two seasons where they were nearly and then actually relegated last season.

Memory could be dodgy, but I think he knew he wasn't going to get backed and they had to sell players. The only way was down for them from there and he jumped ship rather than go down with it.

[Fizzy]

Is Potter still an option, or has he been ruled out?

[golden days]

Robbie Keane has just resigned from Maccabi Tel Aviv
Any takers

No

[HahaYeah]

Think we can safely forget Potter, according to Sky Sports News he's just turned down the Brighton job and it's not because he's coming to Burnley.

Sky Sports News reported on Friday that sources close to Potter claim he has opted not to return, in part as he is aware of some lingering ill-feeling about his departure from Seagulls fans.

St Pauli’s 31-year-old manager Fabian Hurzeler and Henrik Rydstrom from Malmo are reportedly leading names in the frame for the role.

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/potter_brighton/

[golden days]

It's a pretty unfair view though Warks. We spent no money at all for several windows and ended up with 2 PL centre mids both in their 30s with Jack Cork looking a little injury prone at the time. And Ashley Westwood looking like he was due a season in MLS.

The new owners came in and didn't invest in another Window (albeit you can understand why) but then bought the likes of Cornet who is a quality player and an exciting talent but not what was required

Even the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea can't feck about in the PL with their billions....! Anyway - it's an old argument.

I don't think cornet is as good as some make out

But to say he wasn't what was needed is really stretching the anti burnley bit a little... He scored some important goals and got the fans excited, which was needed... Shame he missed a few sitters

[golden days]

Think we can safely forget Potter, according to Sky Sports News he's just turned down the Brighton job and it's not because he's coming to Burnley.

Sky Sports News reported on Friday that sources close to Potter claim he has opted not to return, in part as he is aware of some lingering ill-feeling about his departure from Seagulls fans.

St Pauli’s 31-year-old manager Fabian Hurzeler and Henrik Rydstrom from Malmo are reportedly leading names in the frame for the role.

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/potter_brighton/

I agree the Burnley bit..... But where does he think he's going to go?

[HahaYeah]

I agree the Burnley bit..... But where does he think he's going to go?

Man United or even England after Southgates upcoming failure in the Euros.

Not that I give a monkeys where he goes.

[BurnleyFC]

It was the right time for Dyche to go, for both the club and himself, but the way we went about it was pretty appalling.

It also doesn’t alter the fact that he’s a fabulous manager.

[Penwortham_Claret]

I think the point I was making was missed. I rate Dyche as a top manager who has done amazing at Everton however at the time of leaving us, some fans would have advised Everton to steer clear. Similarly, I’ll take the fans of clubs the Lampard or any other ex manager have previously managed with a sizeable pinch of salt.

I judge Lampard more on his champions league final and 4th place premier league finish during a transfer embargo rather than the feedback from some fans as I’m not convinced ex fans are always the best judge of managers capabilities

I would still be gutted if we got Lampard, surely we can attract someone better?

[Taffy on the wing]

I really think Lampard could be a disastrous appointment.......whenever i've watched him on the side-lines & things aren't going well, he has no idea how to fix it & gets vacant stare on his face....similar to Brian Laws.
He's had plenty of chances...been given money for players & done nowt!

[gandhisflipflop]

44 pages on a thread about the next manager with no clue who that may be! I never thought that the transfer thread syndrome of yesteryear would stretch to this thread.

[Blyclaret]

If the board appoint any of the 3 mentioned they deserve what they get. I’d have absolutely no sympathy for them. When everyone watching from outside know it’s not way to go

[JohnMac]

Sean Dyche wasn't good during his last season, no blame attached as the Club was going through the biggest restructuring off the pitch, possibly ever. That must have some affect on the playing and coaching staff.

My only critisism is him believing in his system and coaching staff when we were stagnating. I won't knock his loyalty but maybe something or someone different may have freshened things up.

He has come back refrehed at Everton and done an excellent job but I think at Burnley he was reluctant to go with the vision of the new owners. Vincent probably had too many coaches and associates but at least he lifted the gloom of the relegation season so let's hope whoever comes in can do the same!

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[Penwortham_Claret]

If the board appoint any of the 3 mentioned they deserve what they get. I’d have absolutely no sympathy for them. When everyone watching from outside know it’s not way to go

Yet nobody from the outside can give a viable alternative

[golden days]

I really think Lampard could be a disastrous appointment.......whenever i've watched him on the side-lines & things aren't going well, he has no idea how to fix it & gets vacant stare on his face....similar to Brian Laws.
He's had plenty of chances...been given money for players & done nowt!

Not sure Laws ever finished 4th in Premier league

Or got to an FA cup final

Or was ever top of a Champions league group.. But he did play for Burnley

[randomclaret2]

Not sure Laws ever finished 4th in Premier league

Or got to an FA cup final

Or was ever top of a Champions league group.. But he did play for Burnley

Didnt he once come out in first place in a sort of ' value for money ' table Brendan Flood produced ?

[jrgbfc]

I agree the Burnley bit..... But where does he think he's going to go?

Might be waiting to see what happens at the Euros. Decent chance the England job will be available.

[golden days]

Didnt he once come out in first place in a sort of ' value for money ' table Brendan Flood produced ?

Look how that turned out

[golden days]

Might be waiting to see what happens at the Euros. Decent chance the England job will be available.

It will be available, good luck to him, but think he'll still be out of work when Southgate is replaced

[Hedontplayforyou]

Anything materialising on the manager front?

[Casper2]

Regarding Corberan, was there ever any reason given for his resignation at Huddersfield after he had done so well the previous season? His decision led to a disastrous two seasons where they were nearly and then actually relegated last season.

Left Huddersfield because they had no money and went to WBA who had no money .

[Stockbrokerbelt]

When did Burnley fans start thinking that the likes of Parker & Lampard are not good enough for us?

[ClaretPete001]

I don't think cornet is as good as some make out

But to say he wasn't what was needed is really stretching the anti burnley bit a little... He scored some important goals and got the fans excited, which was needed... Shame he missed a few sitters

What's with the anti Burnley jibe? ALK is not Burnley unless you are ALK. Signing 3 defenders: Cornet, Collins and Roberts after a several Windows with no signings was not good enough.

We went down because we didn't have a midfield that was good enough for the PL anymore. We couldn't score goals partially because we were not pressing as much as we once were and a striker who has scored 14 this season including two of the easiest of his career against us couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Exciting the fans doesn't keep you in the PL and he didn't score any important goals because we got relegated. How can you be excited by relegation and then suggest that in some way it is I who is anti-Burnley?

[kentonclaret]

When did Burnley fans start thinking that the likes of Parker & Lampard are not good enough for us?

Great Expectations

[DCWat]

When did Burnley fans start thinking that the likes of Parker & Lampard are not good enough for us?

That may be a fair point had we been looking at them as players. As managers, I can understand some of the reservations.

[ClaretPete001]

Sean Dyche wasn't good during his last season, no blame attached as the Club was going through the biggest restructuring off the pitch, possibly ever. That must have some affect on the playing and coaching staff.

My only critisism is him believing in his system and coaching staff when we were stagnating. I won't knock his loyalty but maybe something or someone different may have freshened things up.

He has come back refrehed at Everton and done an excellent job but I think at Burnley he was reluctant to go with the vision of the new owners. Vincent probably had too many coaches and associates but at least he lifted the gloom of the relegation season so let's hope whoever comes in can do the same!

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But where's the logic? He wasn't stagnating because of the coaches but because of the chaos you allude to...!

[Taffy on the wing]

Not sure Laws ever finished 4th in Premier league

Or got to an FA cup final

Or was ever top of a Champions league group.. But he did play for Burnley

Finishing 4th in the premier league with that squad of players was obviously considered an underachievement.........he got fired!..... Context.

[golden days]

What's with the anti Burnley jibe? ALK is not Burnley unless you are ALK. Signing 3 defenders: Cornet, Collins and Roberts after a several Windows with no signings was not good enough.

We went down because we didn't have a midfield that was good enough for the PL anymore. We couldn't score goals partially because we were not pressing as much as we once were and a striker who has scored 14 this season including two of the easiest of his career against us couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Exciting the fans doesn't keep you in the PL and he didn't score any important goals because we got relegated. How can you be excited by relegation and then suggest that in some way it is I who is anti-Burnley?

But cornet did score some important goals, so probably was what was needed, but like you point out, others didn't.
Not sure how you reach the conclusion I was excited by relegation

[golden days]

Finishing 4th in the premier league with that squad of players was obviously considered an underachievement.........he got fired!..... Context.

Considered by who? The barmy Chelsea owners
Who did they think they should have finished above

The context is, who else in the prospective list of candidates, has finished higher?

[ClaretPete001]

But cornet did score some important goals, so probably was what was needed, but like you point out, others didn't.
Not sure how you reach the conclusion I was excited by relegation

It's not mutually exclusive others didn't score because we spent £32 million on 3 defenders...! One of whom ended up as a centre-forward when we needed midfield players.

In the end, it wasn't enough after a long period of under investment.

Sean Dyche has gone to Everton with his coaching team and got them to twelfth. It's still not exciting but it's better than getting relegated.

Unless of course, you enjoy getting relegated.

[Taffy on the wing]

Considered by who? The barmy Chelsea owners
Who did they think they should have finished above

The context is, who else in the prospective list of candidates, has finished higher?

It's irrelevant.......they could have finished 4th with a cardboard box in charge....maybe even 3rd.

You think he's a good manager/idea......i don't!

[Carlos the Great]

Cornet missed an important penalty

[spt_claret]

But cornet did score some important goals, so probably was what was needed, but like you point out, others didn't.
Not sure how you reach the conclusion I was excited by relegation

Cornet scored a few but as Carlos says, had the penalty miss, another bad miss at Norwich and a lot of anonymous games. He could be anonymous then score a belter, he didn't easily fit our system as he wasn't a Dyche winger or a flat 442 forward.
I've maintained that when it was apparent Wood was off form (in hindsight downed tools) and we nearly won at Chelsea going to 433 with Jay/Vydra/Cornet, Dyche should have stuck with that for a few games. It gave us so much more mobility up top letting us restore our press and break faster, and the midfield 3 covered everyone's tiring legs. Also firmly believe that when Weghorst arrived we should have made a move to 4231 with some combo of JBG(if fit), Dwight, McNeil or for pace alone Vydra, sat behind Weghorst. Him and Jay never worked, Wout often played deeper and Jay was in the Wood role further ahead (for everyone who chooses to believe the head on a stick myth the heat maps and pressing stats prove otherwise).

There were undoubtedly square peg decisions that last season, Dyche having to work with players I suspect either he didn't want, or didn't want at the time/in the role that was forced due to other departures - for example I think had Weghorst arrived in the summer he'd have been a very natural partner for Wood in Dyches favoured system, but wasn't a like for like replacement.

As it is, Dyche struggled to adapt and make the most of what was a difficult set of tools, but seems to have learned and be adapting better at Everton. I never wanted him sacked, would have given him the Championship season to bounce back, but there we are things have changed.

[Bin Ont Turf]

When did Burnley fans start thinking that the likes of Parker & Lampard are not good enough for us?

Aye because spending all that time getting promoted and all those years in the Premier League over the last decade or so, should make us want to have mediocre managers.

[Burnleyareback2]

It’s going to be Lampard.

But please not Frank Lampards Burnley.