Next manager

[Anonymous Claret]

I wanted Cooper initially but he has made it clear he doesn't want to come which is fair enough. He is probably waiting for an opportunity to arise in the PL.

The chances of other recent PL managers such as Moyes or Potter applying are very unlikely also.

Whoever we appoint out of the named ( or un-named) candidates will be a bit of gamble but my preferred option is Lampard. He works very well with young players, is a good communicator, intelligent, will have plenty of contacts within the game, had a very good rapport with fans at his previous clubs and plays decent attacking football.

Some concerns are how much has he learnt whilst being out of work and how much time is he prepared to put into making our club successful. If he is willing to work nearly as hard as Dyche or Kompany I will be very happy.

[jedi_master]

What could this mean?

[claretonthecoast1882]

What could this mean?

The Great British sewing bee is on ?

[bumba]

What could this mean?

Trafford sold?

[Milltown1882]

The Great British sewing bee is on ?

New kit

[RVclaret]

Once upon a time trying to win football matches was considered a priority.

Yep and that is done by being strategically aligned from the top down.

[Bigvince]

What could this mean?

Announcement video perhaps, look at the emojis

[LDNBFC87]

What could this mean?

Mission to Burnley 2

Although, I don't think any fans will feel it's happy viewing

[jedi_master]

Announcement video perhaps, look at the emojis

Ah possibly, maybe that Sambo fella from PSV.

[RVclaret]

Sacha has said it’s related to his talk show?

[Blyclaret]

Where has he said that

[burnley007]

we'll be happy tonight??

hmmm

[123EasyasBFC]

That Sacha is such a beggy guy it’s frightening

[northeastclaret]

Once upon a time trying to win football matches was considered a priority.

Totally agree , you would think that winning games providing a the much higher chance of avoiding relegations and winning promotions would have a massive effect in player valuations and therefore should be the number one priority .

[wilks_bfc]

That Sacha is such a beggy guy it’s frightening

He use to be a decent source of info (not just Burnley related) but seems to become a “Belgium Nixon” with the “I know something you don’t” posts

[123EasyasBFC]

He use to be a decent source of info (not just Burnley related) but seems to become a “Belgium Nixon” with the “I know something you don’t” posts

He’s jumped on the face Burnley fans will cling onto any source of news ‘any Burnley news for us sacha’

[KefkaClaret]

If it’s season 2 of the documentary it would be very funny to relive the car crash.

[ervi34]

I think it's a Sambo announcement. Andy Jones just posted that his signing is about to be completed.

[spt_claret]

Yep and that is done by being strategically aligned from the top down.

It's not really though.
It's done by having a well-coached team of good-enough players with a strong gameplan and backups.
It's not done by playing style, or 'developing youth', or 'fitting with the owners vision'. Developing young players is the closest to it but goes hand in hand with good coaching and getting results- you coach them to the point they start winning, that means they've developed, they develop, you win more. But developing players can't happen without winning- if you're not winning that says they've not developed, because if they were getting better, why aren't your results better?
Playing style is superficial, genuinely irrelevant to winning, and it always looks better if you win and worse if you lose.
Chairman's vision is boardroom babble.

Build a team to get results on the pitch, the rest will follow because getting results is the core of football- you get results, you finish higher in the top league, have more money, more attractive brand, and have clearly improved your players. Bottom up rather than top down.

[golden days]

Can't access my athletic for some reason but andy jones has just put this on his X account

If lampard doesn't get it from those 3 something has gone drastically wrong

[RVclaret]

It's not really though.
It's done by having a well-coached team of good-enough players with a strong gameplan and backups.
It's not done by playing style, or 'developing youth', or 'fitting with the owners vision'. Developing young players is the closest to it but goes hand in hand with good coaching and getting results- you coach them to the point they start winning, that means they've developed, they develop, you win more. But developing players can't happen without winning- if you're not winning that says they've not developed, because if they were getting better, why aren't your results better?
Playing style is superficial, genuinely irrelevant to winning, and it always looks better if you win and worse if you lose.
Chairman's vision is boardroom babble.

Build a team to get results on the pitch, the rest will follow because getting results is the core of football- you get results, you finish higher in the top league, have more money, more attractive brand, and have clearly improved your players. Bottom up rather than top down.

It’s not superficial or irrelevant to winning at all. I’ve already posted data on here showing that since 18/19 the title winner of the Champ has had >60% average possession and it’s been almost impossible to get into the top 6 without >50% possession. It also impacts your recruitment, the modern game means more players being coached in a certain way, meaning a player is more likely to choose your club. Sander Berge spoke of this after joining us. Was it Marc Cucarella who visited our training ground and was close to signing but opted for Brighton because of playing style? Ryan Christie chose Championship Bournemouth over us for the same reason. Given you always post how big of an advocate for data you are, take a look at this article (wrote by guys who provide professional services to actual clubs) and let me know your thoughts?

https://mrktinsights.com/index.php/2024 ... e-matters/

[paulatky]

Interviews starting this week
Andy Jones from The Athletic

[colne-claret]

Sounds like we may be headed down the director of football route in terms of transfers. Looks as though we will be appointing a head coach rather than a ‘manager’.

[spt_claret]

It’s not superficial or irrelevant to winning at all. I’ve already posted data on here showing that since 18/19 the title winner of the Champ has had >60% average possession and it’s been almost impossible to get into the top 6 without >50% possession. It also impacts your recruitment, the modern game means more players being coached in a certain way, meaning a player is more likely to choose your club. Sander Berge spoke of this after joining us. Was it Marc Cucarella who visited our training ground and was close to signing but opted for Brighton because of playing style? Ryan Christie chose Championship Bournemouth over us for the same reason. Given you always post how big of an advocate for data you are, take a look at this article (wrote by guys who provide professional services to actual clubs) and let me know your thoughts?

https://mrktinsights.com/index.php/2024 ... e-matters/

I agree that it impacts recruitment, in that players often choose what they know and if more playes know a certain style you've more players inclined towards you. I don't believe that there is only 1 way to win matches or play, or that football has been solved somehow. I do agree it also impacts marketing and branding because everyone is obsessed with aesthetics and trends, but I have posted at length before how even if Guardiolissimo is trendy and easily marketable, you could easily have marketed us under the old regime a lot more effectively than we were.

It's also almost impossible to get into the top 6 without enormous financial resources and funds, which goes hand in hand with being able to sign the technically best footballers who can dominate possession. It's not that possession play is the magic winning formula so makes clubs richer and higher placed, it's that richer clubs that can buy more readymade players will naturally find it easier to impose their game or dominate possession, and win more because they have better players.

If you're a club without limitless resources you cannot be a style purist. You can aspire to certain things ideally, and you can try use it to attract players sure, but you have to be willing to sacrifice style for results and find an edge in other ways too. Luton were a less footballing and possession based side than us but finished above us last year. Everton the same. Forest the same after Nuno took over. Klopp's Liverpool at their best mixed play, they dominated possession because of quality players not style purism. Arsenal are willing to mix play and work setpieces now. Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid are hugely successful without that style. Inter Milan were pretty unlucky to lose the CL to City and didn't approach it with possession play.

There is not a perfect correlation that possession play equals results independent of other factors- budget is and will always be the biggest driving factor, as we saw last year if you don't have the budget to afford the best players for possession play, it tends to result in pretty bad results. The title winners of the Championship since 2018-19 have generally also had budgets outstripping the majority of the division. If you're not a financial heavyweight relative to your peers you usually struggle to get results. So clubs like us have to prioritise multiple avenues to winning. That's the essence of using data, not just looking at macroscopic trends of "possession teams are in the top 6", but looking at contextual factors like budget, and margin cases especially financially and how to buck that trend rather than follow it. Style follows on from budget & resources and to an extent results (superior players equals better results and also more effective imposition of style). It does not lead to it in most cases because it is very rare that budget and resources are equal letting style be the deciding factor.

[RVclaret]

I don’t really disagree with what you are saying and even agree, the point is that this season in particular, we do have (what you are describing) the top resources and we do have the best, most technical players in the league, so therefore we should see a continuation of that style (which is why it is important).

My point is more so, choose an ‘identity’ and stick to it. Don’t deviate (massively) like Swansea did last year which almost ended in disaster. They tried Duff’s football, allowed him to retool the squad with his own signings, who then didn’t fit in with how their squad had been built for years. Brighton have just hired a 31 year old manager after a bit of success, but mainly as his style of play is incredibly consistent with what they’ve been doing.

[spt_claret]

I don’t really disagree with what you are saying and even agree, the point is that this season in particular, we do have (what you are describing) the top resources and we do have the best, most technical players in the league, so therefore we should see a continuation of that style (which is why it is important).

My point is more so, choose an ‘identity’ and stick to it. Don’t deviate (massively) like Swansea did last year which almost ended in disaster. They tried Duff’s football, allowed him to retool the squad with his own signings, who then didn’t fit in with how their squad had been built for years. Brighton have just hired a 31 year old manager after a bit of success, but mainly as his style of play is incredibly consistent with what they’ve been doing.

I would agree that you need to have a plan, but I think that plan is born from building a results-based team first, especially at a club like us.
The article you linked even mentions that Potter may have implemented style at the expense of results, and that "consistent achievement and consistent playing styles are hard to achieve, particularly when moving between clubs and ability levels." The article is focused entirely on how managers affect possession score and pressing score, NOT results, on "elite clubs with elite needs".

The word 'resources' comes up twice- asking if Potter's purity regardless of resources costs results, and in the final summary concluding "Managers can coach different styles, pragmatic managers who maximise resources should not be ignored for their lack of purity. However you need some proof they can coach in and believe in the style you want to bring in to the club. This is far easier for the purists to demonstrate, and this is why they get the bigger jobs."
If that doesn't say "We aren't saying style = results" I don't know what does.

Their definition of attacking possession deliberately excludes xG- it's not even about attacking play in terms of chances created, quantity or quality. It's definition of attacking possession is very specific. It talks about big-club job offers correlating with this coaching metric regardless of results, it's an article essentially on why playstyle purism is an effective CV sales pitch for a manager aiming to leapfrog to a big club, regardless of their results- the logic behind it is "Elite clubs have a purist vision largely based on trends about control of a game impacting results amongst big clubs, they have resources to buy top players to impose control, from there, the fine margin difference maker is the manager's ability to add to this". it's completely inapplicable for a club like ours- currently yo-yoing, aspiring to be established PL, but unlikely to ever have even top half PL resources. We have seen the blueprint for how a club with less relative resources establishes themselves- we did it! By looking at the data on how to get results, and pushing towards that, rather than data towards style, and pushing towards that.

If the model is "always have the biggest budget in the Championship, bounce back, put our manager in the shop window, go down, have the biggest budget, bounce back" then fine, I see the logic. But it falls apart the minute you say you want to establish yourselves in a league of heavyweights with resources far greater than yours against whom you can't impose that style. We will never have the resources to punch in that bracket no matter how many 100m players we discover and sell. We have to compete on our terms not theirs.

Even Ancelotti does this when he has to- the article quotes his possession score as being very high in most of his career, but that's because he's been at a club to dominate with resources available, for most of his career- the 2 years it picks out as the exception are the 2 years that wasn't true, and he still got pretty decent results for that Everton. When he beat City then Liverpool to win the CL in 21-22, or City again this year, did he try to meet them at possession and match his "possession score of over 0.94 in every season but two of his career"? No. He adapted and set out to win. He's the original tinkerman, he's not remotely a purist whatever that article says, his possession dominance has generally flowed from the playes & relative resources he has.

We can't approach things with the megaclub mindset of "We can demand this playstyle and expect to always have the players & resources to implement it". We won't always have them.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The timeframe for an appointment I heard about and posted last week seems to be right ( end of June)

Also the final 8 I was informed about only contains 1 Englishman ( no names were offered to me though )

[ClaretPete001]

I agree that it impacts recruitment, in that players often choose what they know and if more playes know a certain style you've more players inclined towards you. I don't believe that there is only 1 way to win matches or play, or that football has been solved somehow. I do agree it also impacts marketing and branding because everyone is obsessed with aesthetics and trends, but I have posted at length before how even if Guardiolissimo is trendy and easily marketable, you could easily have marketed us under the old regime a lot more effectively than we were.

It's also almost impossible to get into the top 6 without enormous financial resources and funds, which goes hand in hand with being able to sign the technically best footballers who can dominate possession. It's not that possession play is the magic winning formula so makes clubs richer and higher placed, it's that richer clubs that can buy more readymade players will naturally find it easier to impose their game or dominate possession, and win more because they have better players.

If you're a club without limitless resources you cannot be a style purist. You can aspire to certain things ideally, and you can try use it to attract players sure, but you have to be willing to sacrifice style for results and find an edge in other ways too. Luton were a less footballing and possession based side than us but finished above us last year. Everton the same. Forest the same after Nuno took over. Klopp's Liverpool at their best mixed play, they dominated possession because of quality players not style purism. Arsenal are willing to mix play and work setpieces now. Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid are hugely successful without that style. Inter Milan were pretty unlucky to lose the CL to City and didn't approach it with possession play.

There is not a perfect correlation that possession play equals results independent of other factors- budget is and will always be the biggest driving factor, as we saw last year if you don't have the budget to afford the best players for possession play, it tends to result in pretty bad results. The title winners of the Championship since 2018-19 have generally also had budgets outstripping the majority of the division. If you're not a financial heavyweight relative to your peers you usually struggle to get results. So clubs like us have to prioritise multiple avenues to winning. That's the essence of using data, not just looking at macroscopic trends of "possession teams are in the top 6", but looking at contextual factors like budget, and margin cases especially financially and how to buck that trend rather than follow it. Style follows on from budget & resources and to an extent results (superior players equals better results and also more effective imposition of style). It does not lead to it in most cases because it is very rare that budget and resources are equal letting style be the deciding factor.

Excellent analysis. So good in fact, I had to check twice to make sure I hadn't written it myself.

It's a problem with stats...! As the gulf between the PL and the Championship grows possession football becomes more dominant because the relegated teams have the best players and are often pretty big clubs. As I like to say, it's a classic case of correlation not being causation.

And Everton is a classic example of how teams survive in the PL. They beat us at Turf so easily with power and relentless pressing. Had Everton not had so many injuries after Xmas they would have been in the top 10. At one point they played with no midfield players.

Palace came to Turf and did the same as did Forest. Even Newcastle sat in and just let Gordon, Bruno and Callum Wilson run riot.

Simeone at Atleti is a good call. Not seen much of Inter under Inzhagi but Lazio were a very pragmatic side under him albeit they had some world class strikers. And yes this ...."It does not lead to it in most cases because it is very rare that budget and resources are equal letting style be the deciding factor."

Like I say, if you can find a winger that can deliver a ball at 6 foot 9 inch height the best defenders in the world are going to struggle against Peter Couch. And the point being, you find ways of winning by neutralising talent and if that means finding 11 players who are going to out battle 11 better players then you will be better than 3 teams in the PL every season.

It's pure idiocy trying to out play 11 better players - it's the one variable you are inevitably going to fail with...!

[mdd2]

Jackie Charlton always said he couldn't play football but he could stop other players playing. "And when I got the ball I would pass it to someone who could play football, like our kid or Bobby Moore"

[BurnleyFC]

What could this mean?

Welcome home, Sir Sean of Dyche.

[fidelcastro]

Have we appointed anyone yet?

[Pearcey]

Have we appointed anyone yet?

Yeah, Bellamy and Jackson.

[fidelcastro]

Yeah, Bellamy and Jackson.

Permanently?

That's a shame.

[Darnhill Claret]

I have absolutely no idea how many managers we still have on our 'to be interviewed' list. Someone needs to track flights out of Manchester or Liverpool. I guess not all interviews will necessarily take place in England, especially if the likes of Ruud, remain on the list.

[burnley007]

I'm pretty impressed with how little information is being rumoured about on X.

Pace is definitely keeping his cards close to his chest.

[burnley007]

How long did it take to employ VK after the season ended?

[CrosspoolClarets]

What could this mean?

It’s a You Tube show hosted by him, with Anass as a guest, not in English.

With Sacha, a lot of it is self promotion. Certainly is in this instance.

[helmclaret]

14 June 2022. Last game was 22 May 2022.

[golden days]

How long did it take to employ VK after the season ended?

He was signed up before the season ended, but announced quite a while after

[Pearcey]

It’s a You Tube show hosted by him, with Anass as a guest, not in English.

With Sacha, a lot of it is self promotion. Certainly is in this instance.

Hopefully Zaroury will say that he wants to stay and recapture his form. He is a quality footballer.

[Andingle]

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[bfcjg]

What could this mean?

Bene n hot now available on the NHS ?

[Penwortham_Claret]

Rosenior flown up the betting on sky bet but also favourite for the Sunderland job. RVN dropping down the betting odds like a stone

[morninbob]

What could this mean?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Pg_AV3GB ... ttom-sheet

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s almost like roseniors agent is putting his name back out there, maybe to hurry Sunderland up

[123EasyasBFC]

Whenever I’ve listened to Andy jones he never sounds convincing with anything he’s saying, hell of a lot of hearsay with him

[helmclaret]

Betting suspended on Bet Victor!

[Longsider]

Betting suspended on Bet Victor!

So who was the favourite when it was suspended? How reliable is it when they suspend the betting

[Blyclaret]

Why was the betting suspended ?

[Kevwando]

They will re open it, in the morning.