Trafford’s tweet

[golden days]

Loads of it in Jimmy Mac lower, throughout the season

From a particular family, who, shall we say, aren't all there

[Holtyclaret]

From a particular family, who, shall we say, aren't all there

Haha I think I know who you mean, those and lots more

[golden days]

Haha I think I know who you mean, those and lots more

Lots in that area stood and clapped him as well every game

[Holtyclaret]

Lots in that area stood and clapped him as well every game

We certainly did

[beeholeclaret]

I really cant believe that people are coming on here saying that Trafford has not been given a hard time. Virtually all season there has been a barrage of detrimental comments about a young player who is making his way in the game. To be handed your Burnley debut in a home game against Man City mustve been difficult and this in a team which had changed drastically from that which won promotion. Moans and groans were obvious to me when Im sat at the match and although players may not go on line themselves they will have family and mates who read the unkind comments. They may even try to protect him by saying "dont read the on line stuff" but this will create a feeling of unease even in the toughest and single minded individuals.

Its been bad enough on here but there are plenty of BFC linked Facebook pages and some of the disgusting absolutel drivel on there from people who surely havent a clue about professional football and the modern game is unbelievable.

[Jamesy]

Bloody hell Jamesy. You don't half get defensive.
I am also not looking for an argument.

There is no denying that Trafford had an hard time from some supporters. You deny that it happened but then admit it was a small fraction. The size of the crowd giving a hard time is irrelevant. 10 supporters or 10,000 supporters, it happened.

You also mention - let our opinions cloud the facts, when this is exactly what you are doing.

The stuff i stated regarding Trafford are not opinions, they are experiences that i lived and witnessed first hand.

I have never said that it didn’t happen! Read my posts on this and the other Trafford thread.
I accepted that he had received some abuse and groans, however I stated it was only a small minority. I’m not trying to defend anything and it is totally out of order if people shout abuse at him or any other player at matches.
I am just saying he didn’t get lots of stick because he definitely didn’t and I attended home and away games. That’s all.

[Dark Cloud]

How is that disrespecting Burnley fans?

I would suggest that the implication is "I'm a highly paid professional player and you'll only ever be good enough to pay and watch". Whether that's disrespectful is open to debate. I guess it's actually factually correct for the vast majority of us, but it's not necessarily something I think needs pointing out. I'm suspecting he's leaving.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

It's literally the same arguments on repeat I think I am at the point where selling JT and AM might not be a bad thing for the club, if we replace them with a clear number 1 who is decent and someone we can all get behind.

[bumba]

I really cant believe that people are coming on here saying that Trafford has not been given a hard time. Virtually all season there has been a barrage of detrimental comments about a young player who is making his way in the game. To be handed your Burnley debut in a home game against Man City mustve been difficult and this in a team which had changed drastically from that which won promotion. Moans and groans were obvious to me when Im sat at the match and although players may not go on line themselves they will have family and mates who read the unkind comments. They may even try to protect him by saying "dont read the on line stuff" but this will create a feeling of unease even in the toughest and single minded individuals.

Its been bad enough on here but there are plenty of BFC linked Facebook pages and some of the disgusting absolutel drivel on there from people who surely havent a clue about professional football and the modern game is unbelievable.

He may have been young but he's paid a hell of a lot of money and he's confident enough to make a statement that he could play in a champions league final already because he's ready.....that was before he signed for us, last season proved he was wrong

[claretonthecoast1882]

He's paid a lot of money = I can abuse him


It's like a Daily Mail headline about a footballer of a different colour

[The Project]

He may have been young but he's paid a hell of a lot of money and he's confident enough to make a statement that he could play in a champions league final already because he's ready.....that was before he signed for us, last season proved he was wrong

Does what you get paid have any relevance?
I don't think it should.
I just don't think it warrants abuse.

At the beginning of this year, i went through the worst time of my life. After returning to work, i wasn't performing to my abilities and had to take more time off. Would it be acceptable for my peers to abuse me for my poor performance.

[BurnleyFC]

No idea but his poor performances where a major factor in our getting relegated so he needs to keep well away from social media and any criticism of Burnley fans, who never turned on him despite some glaring errors .

We’d have still been relegated with prime Gordon Banks and Dino Zoff in goal.

[BigGaz]

Kompany and Trafford were a bad combination for Burnley

Kompany and Burnley were equally a bad combination for Trafford.

[The Project]

I have never said that it didn’t happen! Read my posts on this and the other Trafford thread.
I accepted that he had received some abuse and groans, however I stated it was only a small minority. I’m not trying to defend anything and it is totally out of order if people shout abuse at him or any other player at matches.
I am just saying he didn’t get lots of stick because he definitely didn’t and I attended home and away games. That’s all.

Come on Jamesy.

I've just reread your comments on this post and in the 2nd one you state - "he wasn't given a hard time from the Burnley support"

.

You've literally argued on this thread that it didn't happen because you didn't see any of it.

Now you are saying it was a small minority and it wasn't lots while you have been arguing the opposite all through this thread

[golden days]

I have never said that it didn’t happen! Read my posts on this and the other Trafford thread.
I accepted that he had received some abuse and groans, however I stated it was only a small minority. I’m not trying to defend anything and it is totally out of order if people shout abuse at him or any other player at matches.
I am just saying he didn’t get lots of stick because he definitely didn’t and I attended home and away games. That’s all.

Again, he got lots of stick on here, are you denying that?

[bumba]

Does what you get paid have any relevance?
I don't think it should.
I just don't think it warrants abuse.

At the beginning of this year, i went through the worst time of my life. After returning to work, i wasn't performing to my abilities and had to take more time off. Would it be acceptable for my peers to abuse me for my poor performance.

He didn't get abuse, he got criticism.
He's in a role where that will always happen, you aren't.
Plus how can you be sure your peers didn't criticise you behind your back without you knowing?
Sorry to hear about your troubles and hope you've fully recovered but they have nothing to do with James Trafford.

[The Project]

He didn't get abuse, he got criticism.
He's in a role where that will always happen, you aren't.
Plus how can you be sure your peers didn't criticise you behind your back without you knowing?
Sorry to hear about your troubles and hope you've fully recovered but they have nothing to do with James Trafford.

Fair play, i can't be sure about my peers but i hope they didn't.
Thank you, i am steadily recovering, one of my parents passed away but you are correct, it has nothing to do with Trafford. I don't know why i was putting them together.

[golden days]

He didn't get abuse, he got criticism.
He's in a role where that will always happen, you aren't.
Plus how can you be sure your peers didn't criticise you behind your back without you knowing?
Sorry to hear about your troubles and hope you've fully recovered but they have nothing to do with James Trafford.

He got dogs abuse on here and other social Media

[Quickenthetempo]

He got dogs abuse on here and other social Media

Can you show me a screen shot of what you would call dogs abuse to him please?
(Obviously not pics of dogs being abused before anyone starts)

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just seen the post screenshots and yes, it is clearly a pop at Burnley fans, but it is a defensive pop, very different from Kompany’s narcissistic behaviour where the whole world seems to revolve around him, Trafford seems offended and wants to move on.

For me he was clearly PARTLY responsible for us dropping. He was near the bottom of the keeper’s stats for goals prevented, whilst Muric was near the top, that is a fact not an opinion. He also had hesitant distribution and his collection of some high balls reminded me of a young child trying to catch confetti at a windy wedding. He will be very good, but for now in 2024 he isn’t ready to be targeted like he was by the world’s elite.

The problem is what Lampard referenced in his 2 hour diary of a CEO interview. Many English young players are on their phones minutes after finishing a game, desperate to see who has said what about them. Trafford will be well aware of fan’s opinions of him, and it has hit a raw nerve. Not sure that gives me confidence in his future success, maybe when he matures?

It sounds like his move to Newcastle is imminent now Schira has tweeted about it so that seems for the best even though I felt he would still be one of the best keepers in the Championship.

[golden days]

Can you show me a screen shot of what you would call dogs abuse to him please?
(Obviously not pics of dogs being abused before anyone starts)

I could, but it would only inflame an argument that doesn't need inflaming, but there are obvious threads you could read if you really have not seen them before

[GetIntoEm]

Strange how the ones at the centre of the abuse are now here denying it ever happened

[KRBFC]

He wouldn’t be well within his rights to slag us off. I don’t know how many times I and others have to say it ……… He wasn’t given a hard time by the Burnley support.

You can say it a thousand times more, doesn’t make it true. Especially from you

[bumba]

He got dogs abuse on here and other social Media

That will never stop, I don't have sympathy for any footballer that uses social media

[Big Vinny K]

Can you show me a screen shot of what you would call dogs abuse to him please?
(Obviously not pics of dogs being abused before anyone starts)

Really ?
You don’t think that there was much abuse on this board for Trafford.

If some of the posters on here were to count the number of abusive and critical posts they made about Trafford last season they would (or should) be embarrassed the way they acted and obsessed about a young player of a team they supposedly support.

The vast majority of posters on here did agree that Trafford needed taking out of the team for Muric. Most of these posters did not feel the need to abuse him or post incessantly about him.

Personally (and I know a lot of people who share this view) I think neither Muric or Trafford were good enough for the Premier League. And that’s especially the case when you look at the defence in front of them most weeks last season.

If Trafford does go on to much bigger and better things I would not be surprised but I think it would be in a club with a far better goalkeeping coach than we have, much better players around him and for a club that does not ask it’s keepers to take as many risks as we did. I don’t think Muric has got the potential to develop that Trafford has and think that whoever he plays for he has too many big mistakes in him.

[Quickenthetempo]

I could, but it would only inflame an argument that doesn't need inflaming, but there are obvious threads you could read if you really have not seen them before

You're right it doesn't need inflaming.

So best to use language like 'he took a bit of stick on here' rather than 'dogs abuse'.
Unless you genuinely think it happened, then best to report it on here.

[GetIntoEm]

I had a bit of spare time waiting to pick the kids up.

Stuck Trafford in the search bar and he's just a sample of the first thread I picked. There's plenty others

[GetIntoEm]

Some more

[GetIntoEm]

This is just from the first couple of pages of a 15 page thread

[Darthlaw]

Can you show me a screen shot of what you would call dogs abuse to him please?
(Obviously not pics of dogs being abused before anyone starts)

'Trafford strikes again....'
‘Laughable from Trafford, a boy playing in a man's game'
'Thick from Trafford'
'he is weak and will single handedly cost us another season'
'The rest of the team must hate Trafford'
'get out of my club'
...In addition to one poster trying to get 'calamity' to stick as his nickname.

All lifted from this board throughout the season.

[Dark Cloud]

Others may disagree as it might depend on where you sit on the Turf, but despite everything last season I don't think I ever heard criticism of Trafford voiced out loud at matches. Yes it definitely happened in normal conversations between fans at the ground, but there was no "public" airing I didn't feel. Similarly giving genuine opinions on this or any other message board is completely different and the "Trafford/Muric" debate was and still is one of the most decisive and polarising topics ever raised on here, but it really has been "on here" and I'd been more than a little surprised (in fact I'd be totally amazed!) if any actual players ever read this site.

[Quickenthetempo]

'Trafford strikes again....'
‘Laughable from Trafford, a boy playing in a man's game'
'Thick from Trafford'
'he is weak and will single handedly cost us another season'
'The rest of the team must hate Trafford'
'get out of my club'
...In addition to one poster trying to get 'calamity' to stick as his nickname.

All lifted from this board throughout the season.

That's someone giving stick, not dogs abuse.

Social media has a problem with people exaggerating things to get their point accross, on both sides of any argument.

[golden days]

You're right it doesn't need inflaming.

So best to use language like 'he took a bit of stick on here' rather than 'dogs abuse'.
Unless you genuinely think it happened, then best to report it on here.

Looks like others found some examples

[CoolClaret]

... so not dogs abuse then.

Also seems like Nori has signed up for the board with a few more accounts recently.

[boatshed bill]

I really worry for the mental health of grown adults worrying about a "tweet"

[Bosscat]

I really worry for the mental health of grown adults worrying about a "tweet"

They need somerhing to fill the void bill ... I despair for a lot of them

[Robbie_painter]

... so not dogs abuse then.

Also seems like Nori has signed up for the board with a few more accounts recently.

Grass

[Darthlaw]

... so not dogs abuse then.

Also seems like Nori has signed up for the board with a few more accounts recently.

As long as we’re grading ‘abuse’ then, it ok eh?

What level is ‘get out of my club’ in the abuse stakes to one of our own, out of interest, on the cool abuse-o-meter?

[CoolClaret]

As long as we’re grading ‘abuse’ then, it ok eh?

What level is ‘get out of my club’ in the abuse stakes to one of our own, out of interest, on the cool abuse-o-meter?

I think using those comments and coming to the conclusion of it being 'dogs abuse' is just hysterical, that's all.

Dogs abuse is what Brian Laws got off the numpties at half time at Oakwell.

[Darthlaw]

As long as it doesn’t reach the threshold it’s all good then.

We’ve gone from ‘there was no abuse’ to ‘there was some abuse’ to ‘it wasn’t that bad’.

Speaks volumes, those justifying the grief given to one of our young lads, really.

The good news is your bogeyman will be gone soon. Tresor next?

[NL Claret]

When you think it can’t go to the next random level, it has gone to the next random level.

James Trafford continues to live rent free in a few UTC posters heads.

[CoolClaret]

As long as it doesn’t reach the threshold it’s all good then.

We’ve gone from ‘there was no abuse’ to ‘there was some abuse’ to ‘it wasn’t that bad’.

Speaks volumes, those justifying the grief given to one of our young lads, really.

The good news is your bogeyman will be gone soon. Tresor next?

Not justifying anything, nor have I ever said that there's been no abuse. I just think you're using the word abuse wrongly.

Calling a player not up to it is not abuse, like, at all.

'Get out of my club' is of course different, but painting this picture that he has routinely been 'abused' en masse is just wrong.

I don't know what you expect, it's not under 11s grassroots football... It's pro football at the highest level, do you expect people to just sit and clap and pretend everything is fine?

[Big Vinny K]

As long as it doesn’t reach the threshold it’s all good then.

We’ve gone from ‘there was no abuse’ to ‘there was some abuse’ to ‘it wasn’t that bad’.

Speaks volumes, those justifying the grief given to one of our young lads, really.

The good news is your bogeyman will be gone soon. Tresor next?

Spot on.

Is there an “abuse glossary” we can all refer to so that we could differentiate between dogs abuse and good old fashioned normal abuse ?

If Trafford understood it was “just” abuse he was getting rather than dogs abuse I am sure he would be golden.

[Darnhill Claret]

But you seem to think that your opinion is now a fact.

[Darnhill Claret]

England International set-up, Newcastle, Chelsea and Bayern, seem to appreciate what Trafford brings to the table and they haven't lost their knowledge of his age and his seemingly obvious potential.
If you accept that he should have been protected by the management, and he wasn't, or you think Muric should have started the season as first choice, there is still no excuse for the general 'lack of support' shown towards James Trafford!!
If you were pleased with the demonstration of a longer view of bringing highly rated players to the club, why did you give up on him so soon?

[Jamesy]

Come on Jamesy.

I've just reread your comments on this post and in the 2nd one you state - "he wasn't given a hard time from the Burnley support"

.

You've literally argued on this thread that it didn't happen because you didn't see any of it.

Now you are saying it was a small minority and it wasn't lots while you have been arguing the opposite all through this thread

I actually said I hardly heard anything from my seat near the half way line.
A few people giving him a bit of abuse in his last couple of games doesn’t constitute a hard time in my book.
Our fans have been very good to him and most recognised it was Kompany to blame.
Basically you and others are just arguing for arguments sake, or are a load of over sensitive softies.

[Darthlaw]

Not justifying anything, nor have I ever said that there's been no abuse. I just think you're using the word abuse wrongly.

Calling a player not up to it is not abuse, like, at all.

'Get out of my club' is of course different, but painting this picture that he has routinely been 'abused' en masse is just wrong.

I don't know what you expect, it's not under 11s grassroots football... It's pro football at the highest level, do you expect people to just sit and clap and pretend everything is fine?

I don’t expect a 21 year old lad to be given abuse by his own ‘supporters’, of which probably the vast majority who are older and should know better. Meanwhile You're arguing the semantics of linguistics to somehow justify it’s worthwhile, all because ‘it’s pro football’ apparently.

Maybe it’s just me who thinks the abuse, constructive criticism or general critique was over the top for Trafford but gauging by the response of quite a few others on this thread I don’t think it is.

Anyway, it’s a futile arguing over this. You have your viewpoint and I strongly disagree with it so let’s leave it at that.

[BurnleyFC]

Really ?
You don’t think that there was much abuse on this board for Trafford.

If some of the posters on here were to count the number of abusive and critical posts they made about Trafford last season they would (or should) be embarrassed the way they acted and obsessed about a young player of a team they supposedly support.

The vast majority of posters on here did agree that Trafford needed taking out of the team for Muric. Most of these posters did not feel the need to abuse him or post incessantly about him.

Personally (and I know a lot of people who share this view) I think neither Muric or Trafford were good enough for the Premier League. And that’s especially the case when you look at the defence in front of them most weeks last season.

If Trafford does go on to much bigger and better things I would not be surprised but I think it would be in a club with a far better goalkeeping coach than we have, much better players around him and for a club that does not ask it’s keepers to take as many risks as we did. I don’t think Muric has got the potential to develop that Trafford has and think that whoever he plays for he has too many big mistakes in him.

I too think Trafford will go on to have a fine career at a very good level, but don’t discount the ‘English factor’ with all these big clubs wanting to sign him, and don’t discount Muric either, because I still rate him better than Trafford. He’s also very young and inexperienced still in goalkeeping terms.

It was inevitable one of them would leave this summer and I’d be delighted if it isn’t Muric.

[Jimmymaccer]

Loads of it in Jimmy Mac lower, throughout the season

Not where we sit………….

[Bullabill]

Pretty much all of us said we felt no connection to any of last years team, ...............

That comment has been a sort of 'undercurrent' of many, many posts throughout the season and it does seem to me that the club has become a bit aloof in regard of the supporters.
I live too far away to attend matches and so have no idea whether 'abuse' of Traff. was vocal and easily heard at games. It puzzles me though, that if it was, why didn't VK do something about it?