Next manager

[Indecisive]

Pulling out doesn't mean there's anything concrete on the table.

What it likely means is he's in the running and had to make a choice whether to focus on getting the burnley job or take the sunderland one.

The positives is this likely shows he both backs himself and really wants this job.

Do get the impression he's going to be a good manager.

Fingers crossed if he gets the job he achieves that with us.

[brexit]

My tenner on wicky at 100/1 peaked at 6/1 and now is back to 100/1

[burnley007]

My tenner on wicky at 100/1 peaked at 6/1 and now is back to 100/1

Could you cash out?

[aggi]

Really hope it’s not Rosenior, that Hull team looked very good on paper. To not even get the playoffs is poor.

Apart from Ipswich it's likely that every team above Hull had higher wages than them, probably double in some cases.

Hull fans I know were shocked and disappointed that he was sacked.

[kentonclaret]

For all of this discussion on the new manager and betting odds interesting that news broke today of a Conservative MP being under investigation by the Gambling Commission for placing a bet of £100 on a July General Election 3 days before the announcement. If he was privy to confidential information not yet in the public domain the bookies won’t pay out.

[NL Claret]

For all of this discussion on the new manager and betting odds interesting that news broke today of a Conservative MP being under investigation by the Gambling Commission for placing a bet of £100 on a July General Election 3 days before the announcement. If he was privy to confidential information not yet in the public domain the bookies won’t pay out.

Do you know what the odds were? The profit , if received, could not be worth more than the negative publicity.

Regarding these novelty markets, the bookies must cover themselves for insider info stinging them, I know someone who knew someone who had inside info on a music award, Ladbrokes were the only bookie running a book. The actual winner of the award was available at 15/2, max bet £25. I think it took 8 max bets for them to get the whiff of inside intel and the market was shut down permanently.

[brexit]

Could you cash out?

Yes, but I still have faith

[brexit]

just realised 55 pages and I don't think anyone has mentioned a barton bellamy double act

[Pickles]

Friend who's a Hull City fan was absolutely gutted when Rosenior left. Had really high praise for him.

[Casper2]

just realised 55 pages and I don't think anyone has mentioned a barton bellamy double act

Appearing at a magistrate’s anytime soon

[Steddyman]

Parker now 1/2 and Lampard out to 7/1

[Casper2]

Parker now 1/2 and Lampard out to 7/1

Someone’s bought a cardigan

[golden days]

Dragged this up. The quotes were attributed to the Hull City Chairman.

It does not put me off appointing Rosenior, and if it's true that he pulled out of the Sunderland 2nd interview, 'cos he wanted the Burnley job I can't fault his judgement.

Rosenior would not be my choice
But those comments would put me more off the hull chairman than the manager

[helmclaret]

Latest Bet Victor

[BurnleyFC]

Scary.

I’d take Lampard over Parker or Rosenior any day of the week.

[helmclaret]

I’ve had it in my head it would be Lampard for a couple of weeks now.

[Wile E Coyote]

parker has a few loose screws IMO, disaster looming if he gets the nod.

[Quicknick]

parker has a few loose screws IMO, disaster looming if he gets the nod.

How do you know? Do you really know anything about him?

[Wile E Coyote]

IMO, should have been enough for you, but if you prefer, let's trawl through all your previous posts and try to disseminate the evidence for your harsh reviews of all and sundry.

[Quicknick]

IMO, should have been enough for you, but if you prefer, let's trawl through all your previous posts and try to disseminate the evidence for your harsh reviews of all and sundry.

Whose posts?

[Steddyman]

I hope Alan Pace doesn't read and believe any of this forum thread. If he does, we will never have consensus on a manager.

[Dark Cloud]

Whilst I'd be somewhat underwhelmed, Rosenior simply HAS to be a better option than Lampard!

[burnley007]

Whilst I'd be somewhat underwhelmed, Rosenior simply HAS to be a better option than Lampard!

Lampard has to be a far better option than a failed Hull manager, surely??

Legend as a player, managed at Chelsea and Everton, through ridiculous conditions. Not saying he's the best manager in the world, just that he has decent experience.

I genuinely think that Alan Pace will be very drawn to Lampard, in a similar way to the impact that Kompany had on him.

[mdd2]

I wonder what happened to the failed Watford manager sacked in 2012?

[Row Z]

Lampard has to be a far better option than a failed Hull manager, surely??

Legend as a player, managed at Chelsea and Everton, through ridiculous conditions. Not saying he's the best manager in the world, just that he has decent experience.

I genuinely think that Alan Pace will be very drawn to Lampard, in a similar way to the impact that Kompany had on him.

Failed Hull manager? His stock has grown from taking Hull from relegation candidates to the playoffs in one of the most competitive leagues in the world. He’s been victim of owners wanting immediate success in a similar way that many managers have been.

Emery apparently failed at Arsenal despite doing better than Arteta in his first year and look what he’s done with Villa.

Howe “failed” with us but he’s gone on to bigger and better things.

[Row Z]

I wonder what happened to the failed Watford manager sacked in 2012?

Completely agree.

[ClaretPete001]

I wonder what happened to the failed Watford manager sacked in 2012?

FACT CHECK

Dyche was relatively successful at Watford. He got sacked because the new Italian owners wanted Gianfranco Zola.

21 (ish) managers later....!

[willsclarets]

Scott Parker is pretty much the only person I really don't want to get the job. Dyche and Kompany are very different but they are grounded, even tempered, hard working and bright blokes. I don't think Scott Parker ticks many of those boxes. Perhaps my perception is wrong, but I think it would be a much worse appointment than Lampard or Rosenior.

[Swizzlestick]

Scott Parker is pretty much the only person I really don't want to get the job. Dyche and Kompany are very different but they are grounded, even tempered, hard working and bright blokes. I don't think Scott Parker ticks many of those boxes. Perhaps my perception is wrong, but I think it would be a much worse appointment than Lampard or Rosenior.

Pretty much the page I'm on too.

[mdd2]

FACT CHECK

Dyche was relatively successful at Watford. He got sacked because the new Italian owners wanted Gianfranco Zola.

21 (ish) managers later....!

He was. Highest spot in the league in 4 years but 11th not good enough for the owners-so in their eyes a failure so he was sacked.Just as he was here having kept us in top flight for 6 seasons and sacked due to the team failing because of the austerity from the owners in his last 2 seasons

[RVclaret]

While we wait for any news, I enjoyed this mini write up on how clubs, including ours, may use data in their search for a new manager.

https://statsbomb.com/articles/soccer/u ... w-manager/

[warksclaret]

The one area that worries me about some of the names is COMMITTMENT, when the going gets tough, and when we are on a bad run etc. Dyche was committed, lived in Kettering, but had a flat near Burnley. Kompany was in the spotlight so not likely to chuck it in (though he did vanish quickly in the end) and also lived near to the ground. Lampard and Parker are both very wealthy living in Chelsea and Surrey respectively in their mansions.The town of Burnley will come as a bit of a shock to both from their natural surroundings, and as I said above when it gets tough will they have the stomach for the job when things are not going their way, made worse by the fact we are unlikely to be spending fortunes on new players.The last thing we need is missing promotion, and another managerial change. I never had this fear from other managers being quoted ie Robins, Carrick, Steve Cooper

[kenyon6923]

Robins CV is solid, has had to deal with loads of adversity including ground sharing for home games and not knowing if they were ever going to get their ground back - that's pretty tough !!! fancy us having to play all our home games at ?? say Deepdale - but he stayed loyal. He always loses his best players - just look last 12 months Gyokeres and Hamer would walk into any championship team next season possibly Gyokeres into some premiership teams. Still went close to play off's and should have made the FA Cup Final but showed he had influence in the team to come back from 3-0 down in a major match at wembley.
He's experienced and "a good age" at 54 and unlike VK and a Lampard - even Parker if a better/southern job popped up might actually see out a 3-4-5 year plan.

[Anonymous Claret]

Scott Parker is pretty much the only person I really don't want to get the job. Dyche and Kompany are very different but they are grounded, even tempered, hard working and bright blokes. I don't think Scott Parker ticks many of those boxes. Perhaps my perception is wrong, but I think it would be a much worse appointment than Lampard or Rosenior.

It's weird isn't it because I feel the same way?

I would much prefer Lampard or Rosenior who I think both come across as decent human beings. I don't have the same feeling about Parker even though he has been the most successful manager of the 3 with 2 promotions to the Premier League.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

So to clarify some posters are worried about the personalities of people they’ve never met, if they are ‘decent human beings’, where they might live in location to Burnley and if they ‘get’ the town.

Ok.

[jedi_master]

Parker does not appeal to me in the slightest but it seems to be entirely driven by my unexplainable dislike of his character when I have seen him interviewed or so on. He has the best track record of the candidates mentioned at this level, that is undeniable.

Rosenior has overseen a win percentage of 34.62% and was sacked for (as per the chairmans quote) 'not playing attacking football'. Whether that is true or not, I cannot say - but in 46 games last season Hull City scored 68 goals, which seems reasonable (in our three automatic promotions we have scored 72, 72 and 87 - so they weren't a million miles away from the Dyche seasons considering they finished 7th). Nevertheless, that win percentage is not an enticing prospect for a team that (possibly) has to get promotion next season to avoid who knows what financial trouble. Could he get up to a 63%-ish win percentage as per Kompany in 22/23 with a better team and more money?

Lampard is a total guess really as his previous clubs are all difficult to compare to Burnley in my opinion. Derby had a young team and he didn't have a lot to spend, he got them into the Play Off Final and is generally seen as having done a decent job by their fans. Chelsea, his first season was solid considering the restrictions he was under due to the Abramovich stuff and the Russian invasion of Ukraine - he got the youngsters progressed and delivered a respectable season on the face of it. Everton was a car crash, but then again, that whole club is. Chelsea second time round he was spectacularly out of his depth, but again, a strange club to take over. He is harder to judge and thus more of a gamble in terms of 'knowing what you get' than the other two.

I think if we take track record as the greatest and most important barometer for the incoming manager, it's hard to not say Parker makes the most sense from the three that seem to be most in with a chance. He wouldn't be my pick, but I can understand it and whether I think 'Scottie' is a smarmy bloke is an utter irrelevance to his capabilities to do the job.

[NewClaret]

The one area that worries me about some of the names is COMMITTMENT, when the going gets tough, and when we are on a bad run etc. Dyche was committed, lived in Kettering, but had a flat near Burnley. Kompany was in the spotlight so not likely to chuck it in (though he did vanish quickly in the end) and also lived near to the ground. Lampard and Parker are both very wealthy living in Chelsea and Surrey respectively in their mansions.The town of Burnley will come as a bit of a shock to both from their natural surroundings, and as I said above when it gets tough will they have the stomach for the job when things are not going their way, made worse by the fact we are unlikely to be spending fortunes on new players.The last thing we need is missing promotion, and another managerial change. I never had this fear from other managers being quoted ie Robins, Carrick, Steve Cooper

This is a fair point and one I expect Pace will give more thought to this time around. Although I expect he was comforted by Kompany’s North West roots last time around and look how that worked out?

I’m also worried about how quickly Lampard or Parker would jump ship if a London job became available, but a contract does protect you there. If they wanted to go for a London job the club would have to pay us per Bayern.

Overall, I think Lampard is the best bet of the managers linked so far. He has played at the very top level, managed big clubs, has a huge social media presence that can only help promote the club (which like it or not is part of the ALKs wider plans and will likely help attract investment), would likely help with the London media, has a decent record developing youngsters and likely good contacts that will secure loans, etc.

I was initially very against but have come around to the idea he’d be the best choice for what we’re trying to achieve overall as a club. Best manager to take us up? I’m not sure, but only really Parker has any credentials in that space and I’m just not sure about him. RVN, Rosenior and Robbins all unproven as much as Lampard having not managed to as high level.

[Dark Cloud]

Lampard has to be a far better option than a failed Hull manager, surely??

Legend as a player, managed at Chelsea and Everton, through ridiculous conditions. Not saying he's the best manager in the world, just that he has decent experience.

I genuinely think that Alan Pace will be very drawn to Lampard, in a similar way to the impact that Kompany had on him.

I certainly agree with your last sentence (unfortunately!), but Lampard has had several false starts in management and whilst he was a great player he's looked somewhat lost and almost overawed much of the time managing clubs, especially Chelsea and Everton.
I don't agree Rosenior failed at Hull. The top end of the championship last season was an absolute bear pit and he ALMOST gatecrashed the end of season party. They just missed out on the final day, but when you look at the top 10 or eleven in that division Hull had a very good season considering they've been bumping along treading water in there for three or four seasons now.

[ClaretTony]

I think it's a Sambo announcement. Andy Jones just posted that his signing is about to be completed.

I posted that months ago when he had his medical

[jojomk1]

Transfer window opens tomorrow Alan

Alan - are you there ?

[claretbob]

Scott Parker is a strange one. His two promotions are almost taken for granted and the 9-0 humiliation at Liverpool and subsequent interview made much of. Gary O’Neill has proved himself to be a really good premier league manager so perhaps Parker’s inept premier league record, which is on a par with VK’s, shouldn’t detract from his championship credentials.

[ArmchairDetective]

I'll get behind whoever takes over. But it's been quite an uninspiring list of candidates so far. Maybe RVN aside. Agree with other posters that there's something about Parker which makes him hard to take to. But has a decent record at Championship level.

[Winstonswhite]

The one area that worries me about some of the names is COMMITTMENT, when the going gets tough, and when we are on a bad run etc. Dyche was committed, lived in Kettering, but had a flat near Burnley. Kompany was in the spotlight so not likely to chuck it in (though he did vanish quickly in the end) and also lived near to the ground. Lampard and Parker are both very wealthy living in Chelsea and Surrey respectively in their mansions.The town of Burnley will come as a bit of a shock to both from their natural surroundings, and as I said above when it gets tough will they have the stomach for the job when things are not going their way, made worse by the fact we are unlikely to be spending fortunes on new players.The last thing we need is missing promotion, and another managerial change. I never had this fear from other managers being quoted ie Robins, Carrick, Steve Cooper

Come on let’s not get misty eyed. Dyche was never offered another job while at the club, and was paid handsomely (well deserved IMO). That’s the reason he was “committed”.

[NottsClaret]

It took some impressive mental gymnastics to convince ourselves Lampard would be ok, going to be interesting to see how we decide, actually, Parker makes sense.

[beddie]

Parker or Lampard? If it was down to those two I’d go for Lampard, he’ll probably know all the younger players in the Chelsea squad that might help us with a loan or two. He’ll also have a better media presence which Pace will like. Also I think he’d be able to attract other players here and abroad.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Edin Terzic has just left Dortmund, you would imagine if he applied someone would find a negative

[Terrier]

A lot of Leeds fans I know that live in Yorkshire are hoping we don't get rosenior , they rate him very highly!

[helmclaret]

Parker or Lampard? If it was down to those two I’d go for Lampard, he’ll probably know all the younger players in the Chelsea squad that might help us with a loan or two. He’ll also have a better media presence which Pace will like. Also I think he’d be able to attract other players here and abroad.

I think the biggest job for the new person will be moving players on, rather than recruitment.

[Spijed]

I still don't understand this logic that Frank Lampard only struggled at Everton because thay are in a mess, despite the fact that SD sorted them out with ease and got them to safety with the minimum of fuss.

[daveisaclaret]

I'm ready to get excited for Rosenior. I think all linked managers would take us up next season and feel quite put off by the ones we know have bad records in the PL.