Next manager

[morninbob]

I think the biggest job for the new person will be moving players on, rather than recruitment.

That's not the managers job.

[Wokingclaret]

I still don't understand this logic that Frank Lampard only struggled at Everton because thay are in a mess, despite the fact that SD sorted them out with ease and got them to safety with the minimum of fuss.

Dyche didn't sort them out with ease, the season before last went to the last game must win), but he was the right man for the job.

[helmclaret]

That's not the managers job.

So a manager doesn’t have a say on who stays and who goes??

[Dark Cloud]

So a manager doesn’t have a say on who stays and who goes??

Well call me an old fuddy duddy, but I think he should!!!

[Woodleyclaret]

We have time to trim the squad if need be.JBG and Jack Cirk have gone and hopefully we will shift Traff for serious money.Its important to consider all our existing players something VK struggled with .

[quoonbeatz]

Fully behind ABP.

[jojomk1]

That's not the managers job.

Whoever's job it is, I would think (given the size/unbalance within the squad) that we are likely to want players leaving asap to fund incomings

[golden days]

Well call me an old fuddy duddy, but I think he should!!!

I'm an old fuddy duddy then

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

So a manager doesn’t have a say on who stays and who goes??

No he just needs to be a very nice man.

[NewClaret]

I'm an old fuddy duddy then

I’m also very much in the ‘manager should pick his team’ camp. BUT…

Kompany has brought 32 players in or something. Reshaping that squad in a new managers favour is going to be impossible not least because there’ll be no money left even with outgoings.

There’s a very different prospect facing a new manager than faced Kompany, which I think Pace might recognise.

For that reason I expect one of the questions might be “how would you get the best out of this group of players”?

[Nonayforever]

I still don't understand this logic that Frank Lampard only struggled at Everton because thay are in a mess, despite the fact that SD sorted them out with ease and got them to safety with the minimum of fuss.

Maybe S Dyche sorted them out because he's a better manager than Lampard. But S D isn't applying for our job !

[morninbob]

So a manager doesn’t have a say on who stays and who goes??

That's not what you said, of course he has a say on who goes, it's not his job to find them moves though.

[JR1882]

Parker’s a difficult one, there’s definitely more focus on the negatives and he has clearly made some big mistakes.

However the brief will be to win promotion back to the Prem, something which he has managed to do twice with relegated clubs, so whilst he may have some corners that need rounding, he may be best placed to fulfil the number one priority (promotion).

And, he has a massive point to prove after Bournemouth and then Brugge, he’s basically got one last chance to prove himself at top end champ/lower prem so you would think he will give it everything he’s got.

I’m not enamoured by this appointment at all, but his 2 promotions are a comfort.

[CrosspoolClarets]

there’ll be no money left even with outgoings.

This partial quote is one I’m not sure about.

I expect about £30m to be spent. Of course there have to be outgoings to finance this, how much, we do not know, but I would guess we will raise about £80m from sales (including VK) and spend £30m of it.

Certainly this will be a key question posed by any interviewee and something that may or may not affect them accepting the job.

We will see.

[dsr]

So a manager doesn’t have a say on who stays and who goes??

You're oversimplifying it. It's not a matter of either/or, wither the manager makes every decision or the manager has no input at all. Obviously the manager has a say, but he doesn't have the final say. If someone offers £30m for Trafford, for example, and the board wants to accept and the player wants to go, then the manager's opinion will be scarcely relevant. But if we get similar offers for both goalkeepers, and we can afford to keep one, the manager's input will be crucial.

They won't give a new manager carte blanche on who goes because the club has stated in a legal document (the accounts!) that they need to sell players. Financial considerations will be a major part of who goes. If we have a manager, his views will be considered to an extent.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just had a look at Parker’s record and it is good. We all remember the two promotions (and the relegation at Fulham after taking over during that season). What I didn’t remember is that he was sacked by Bournemouth in August after only 3 losses, including to a couple of the top teams. He will also have helped develop Gary O Neill as a coach under him who has done well since. At Fulham he only left after a disagreement with the board and his team played good football. Club Brugge I care less about, a new league he didn’t know well and a minnow in the Champion’s League.

So if it is between him and Lampard I think Parker has the edge.

[helmclaret]

You're oversimplifying it. It's not a matter of either/or, wither the manager makes every decision or the manager has no input at all. Obviously the manager has a say, but he doesn't have the final say. If someone offers £30m for Trafford, for example, and the board wants to accept and the player wants to go, then the manager's opinion will be scarcely relevant. But if we get similar offers for both goalkeepers, and we can afford to keep one, the manager's input will be crucial.

They won't give a new manager carte blanche on who goes because the club has stated in a legal document (the accounts!) that they need to sell players. Financial considerations will be a major part of who goes. If we have a manager, his views will be considered to an extent.

Sorry I didn’t post a detailed response. Of course there are many factors on who stays and who goes but he will have an idea and input on who he wants to move on and the squad is far too big at the moment.

[elwaclaret]

Just had a look at Parker’s record and it is good. We all remember the two promotions (and the relegation at Fulham after taking over during that season). What I didn’t remember is that he was sacked by Bournemouth in August after only 3 losses, including to a couple of the top teams. He will also have helped develop Gary O Neill as a coach under him who has done well since. At Fulham he only left after a disagreement with the board and his team played good football. Club Brugge I care less about, a new league he didn’t know well and a minnow in the Champion’s League.

So if it is between him and Lampard I think Parker has the edge.

Left after falling out with both Fulham and Bournemouth… after blaming both clubs for not spending enough. I’ve also been told by fans of both his arrogance is eye popping.

[golden days]

I’m also very much in the ‘manager should pick his team’ camp. BUT…

Kompany has brought 32 players in or something. Reshaping that squad in a new managers favour is going to be impossible not least because there’ll be no money left even with outgoings.

There’s a very different prospect facing a new manager than faced Kompany, which I think Pace might recognise.

For that reason I expect one of the questions might be “how would you get the best out of this group of players”?

I don't think any time a manager has not had a say on who is brought in has ended well.

[ClaretPete001]

This partial quote is one I’m not sure about.

I expect about £30m to be spent. Of course there have to be outgoings to finance this, how much, we do not know, but I would guess we will raise about £80m from sales (including VK) and spend £30m of it.

Certainly this will be a key question posed by any interviewee and something that may or may not affect them accepting the job.

We will see.

Without wishing to repeat myself again because I even begin to bore the sh*t out of myself.

We won't make £80 million from player sales because likely as not we haven't fully paid for the players. The last time we went down we sold players that had been at the club a good period of time. Unless we sell Taylor or Brownhill it won't be the case this time.

We've already spent £25 million largely on a player that could barely make the bench last season.

So, if we spent another £30 million - our summer spending after relegation would be £55 million.

Not to mention the auditors cash warning on the accounts. It's not going to be an easy job for the new manager.

[NewClaret]

I don't think any time a manager has not had a say on who is brought in has ended well.

I think it’s more the modern way now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have a say, of course they should, but I think the days of a manager watching a player he likes and asking his club to bid for him are way behind us.

There’s big recruitment teams now, analysing 100’s of players, pouring over data to help them whittle down shortlists and potential players of interest. Then we know Pace himself is involved in a committee that takes decisions. Although I sensed Kompany and his knowledge of younger players in foreign markets was very influential to that.

The thing is, I can really see us being in a situation now where our managers change every 2-3 seasons so somehow you have to have a long-term plan to your recruitment that’s not tied to individual managers.

[golden days]

Without wishing to repeat myself again because I even begin to bore the sh*t out of myself.

We won't make £80 million from player sales because likely as not we haven't fully paid for the players. The last time we went down we sold players that had been at the club a good period of time. Unless we sell Taylor or Brownhill it won't be the case this time.

We've already spent £25 million largely on a player that could barely make the bench last season.

So, if we spent another £30 million - our summer spending after relegation would be £55 million.

Not to mention the auditors cash warning on the accounts. It's not going to be an easy job for the new manager.

We will still be being paid for McNeil, and any loan fees owed which will balance it up a bit, but for some reason that never gets mentioned as income

[KRBFC]

I still don't understand this logic that Frank Lampard only struggled at Everton because thay are in a mess, despite the fact that SD sorted them out with ease and got them to safety with the minimum of fuss.

With ease and minimum fuss? What are you talking about? They beat Bournemouth at home on the final day of last season to stay up…. Seriously

[ClaretPete001]

And to give a plug to the Turf Cast podcast on YOUTUBE - they quoted Andy Jones as saying the club intends to sell 5 first team players including Trafford.

[NewClaret]

Without wishing to repeat myself again because I even begin to bore the sh*t out of myself.

We won't make £80 million from player sales because likely as not we haven't fully paid for the players. The last time we went down we sold players that had been at the club a good period of time. Unless we sell Taylor or Brownhill it won't be the case this time.

We've already spent £25 million largely on a player that could barely make the bench last season.

So, if we spent another £30 million - our summer spending after relegation would be £55 million.

Not to mention the auditors cash warning on the accounts. It's not going to be an easy job for the new manager.

I don’t think he’s talking about profit generated, vs revenue. If we sell £80m of players we’ll have brought in £80m, probably factor it (so it’s true £80m cash) then use part of it to pay this years instalments on said players.

If we bought £30m that’d be more like £8-10m actual spend as we’d pay for those in instalments.

Not that I think we’ll generate £80m or spend £30m.

[golden days]

I think it’s more the modern way now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have a say, of course they should, but I think the days of a manager watching a player he likes and asking his club to bid for him are way behind us.

There’s big recruitment teams now, analysing 100’s of players, pouring over data to help them whittle down shortlists and potential players of interest. Then we know Pace himself is involved in a committee that takes decisions. Although I sensed Kompany and his knowledge of younger players in foreign markets was very influential to that.

The thing is, I can really see us being in a situation now where our managers change every 2-3 seasons so somehow you have to have a long-term plan to your recruitment that’s not tied to individual managers.

I look at successful teams, city, Liverpool, arsenal and previously United, all those mangers had the final say on who was brought in, or not and I doubt any one of them would work if it was any different. Chelsea have tried it, but with little success

[KRBFC]

We've already spent £25 million largely on a player that could barely make the bench last season.

You’re not Chester.

Who is the player we spent £25m on?

Just making things up, repeating it relentlessly to convince yourself it’s true.

[golden days]

And to give a plug to the Turf Cast podcast on YOUTUBE - they quoted Andy Jones as saying the club intends to sell 5 first team players including Trafford.

Don't hang your hat on Andy Jones.

[Vegas Claret]

Edin Terzic just left, yes please

[JR1882]

You’re not Chester.

Who is the player we spent £25m on?

Just making things up, repeating it relentlessly to convince yourself it’s true.

He said largely on a player who couldn’t make the bench, not entirely. Ie. £15m on Tresor.

[ClaretPete001]

You’re not Chester.

Who is the player we spent £25m on?

Just making things up, repeating it relentlessly to convince yourself it’s true.

If you didn't have your head up your *rse KRBFC you would know.

[ClaretPete001]

I don’t think he’s talking about profit generated, vs revenue. If we sell £80m of players we’ll have brought in £80m, probably factor it (so it’s true £80m cash) then use part of it to pay this years instalments on said players.

If we bought £30m that’d be more like £8-10m actual spend as we’d pay for those in instalments.

Not that I think we’ll generate £80m or spend £30m.

If you buy a car for £5000 and owe £4000 on credit you don't end up with £5000 in cash when you sell the car....! Unless you change your name to New New Claret and move to Bognor Regis or similar.

And of course we would pay in installments but no one who says we spent £100 million last season is talking about 3 seasons worth of installments at £33.33 million.

[ClaretPete001]

He said largely on a player who couldn’t make the bench, not entirely. Ie. £15m on Tresor.

Indeed, albeit the most quoted fee I've seen is £18 million.

[JR1882]

The salient point being that we have spunked a shedload on someone who no one has any idea wether he is good enough or not and isn’t saleable at anywhere near what we have just paid.

[golden days]

The salient point being that we have spunked a shedload on someone who no one has any idea wether he is good enough or not and isn’t saleable at anywhere near what we have just paid.

Or the salient point is we have never paid 25m, or even close, for any player in the history of burnley football club

[ClaretPete001]

The salient point being that we have spunked a shedload on someone who no one has any idea wether he is good enough or not and isn’t saleable at anywhere near what we have just paid.

Well indeed.

[JR1882]

He didn’t say that, read his post again.

[ClaretPete001]

Or the salient point is we have never paid 25m, or even close, for any player in the history of burnley football club

No one said we did pay £25 million for a player that was explained in JR1882'S post before last.

[ClaretPete001]

We will still be being paid for McNeil, and any loan fees owed which will balance it up a bit, but for some reason that never gets mentioned as income

Au Contraire, I've been through this a gerzillion times as well. The exact figures are in the accounts.

[Holtyclaret]

Without wishing to repeat myself again because I even begin to bore the sh*t out of myself.

We won't make £80 million from player sales because likely as not we haven't fully paid for the players. The last time we went down we sold players that had been at the club a good period of time. Unless we sell Taylor or Brownhill it won't be the case this time.

We've already spent £25 million largely on a player that could barely make the bench last season.

So, if we spent another £30 million - our summer spending after relegation would be £55 million.

Not to mention the auditors cash warning on the accounts. It's not going to be an easy job for the new manager.

Tresor and Esteve (combined about £25m) are on last seasons figures so already dealt with.

The auditors ‘warning’, standard text on the accounts of a football club has already been commented on. In the unlikely scenario that we don’t sell any players (Trafford on way out plus vk money already), the club have secured additional finance to cover any shortfall. I’d expect personally that they’ll be enough outgoings to comfortably avoid that (but the board have it covered anyway).

[Woodleyclaret]

Re income we have a large wedge from our last season in the Sun and as we are going to storm the Championship will be never off the TV so more income there.Max cash for Traff and we are sorted.

[ClaretPete001]

Tresor and Esteve (combined about £25m) are on last seasons figures so already dealt with.

The auditors ‘warning’, standard text on the accounts of a football club has already been commented on. In the unlikely scenario that we don’t sell any players (Trafford on way out plus vk money already), the club have secured additional finance to cover any shortfall. I’d expect personally that they’ll be enough outgoings to comfortably avoid that (but the board have it covered anyway).

I'm now in danger of getting into another financial debate.

If you mean the last set of Published accounts then almost £40 million of player sales are not accounted for as per the notes to the accounts....!

If you mean the next set of published accounts then they will be accounted for in there but as we've only just signed them the cash will be payable over a 3 year period as from when we signed them so they will be affecting the published accounts going forward.

And we don't know if the club has secured additional finance to cover the outgoings. The Directors said that they could cover it but the auditors felt there was sufficient doubt to issue a material warning to the accounts.

I think most people think we will see players sold not just for financial reasons but also to trim the squad down to something more sustainable.

[JR1882]

The money will land on the books where Alan wants it to land, in the real world there’s no doubt Tresor & Esteve are paid for from this “summers” budget.

[JR1882]

The money will land on the books where Alan wants it to land, in the real world there’s no doubt Tresor & Esteve are paid for from this “summers” budget.

[mdd2]

The money will land on the books where Alan wants it to land, in the real world there’s no doubt Tresor & Esteve are paid for from this “summers” budget.

You can say that again.
Oh you have already, sorry

[mdd2]

I think most people think we will see players sold not just for financial reasons but also to trim the squad down to something more sustainable.

Isn't that at least for financial reasons?

[JR1882]

[Holtyclaret]

I'm now in danger of getting into another financial debate.

If you mean the last set of Published accounts then almost £40 million of player sales are not accounted for as per the notes to the accounts....!

If you mean the next set of published accounts then they will be accounted for in there but as we've only just signed them the cash will be payable over a 3 year period as from when we signed them so they will be affecting the published accounts going forward.

And we don't know if the club has secured additional finance to cover the outgoings. The Directors said that they could cover it but the auditors felt there was sufficient doubt to issue a material warning to the accounts.

I think most people think we will see players sold not just for financial reasons but also to trim the squad down to something more sustainable.

The provision for the purchase of Esteve and Tresor is within the figures for player trading season 23/24 (they are deemed last seasons purchases not the first signings of this summer). Irrespective of who pays what and when. They won’t fall into player trading for 24/25 as you allude to although you are absolutely correct that outgoings for future instalments will obviously feature in the next couple of years accounts going forward.

The board have clearly stated that should there be a shortfall in player sales they have it covered with finance in place IF required.

Auditors put the same warning on the accounts of most/all football clubs. Player sales can never be a 100% forecastable science hence the standard warning.

Yes the squad needs some trimming.

Absolutely no intention of getting into a financial discussion either, just pointing out the inaccuracy within your post

[Hedontplayforyou]

Any whispers on the manager hunt?

[ClaretPete001]

The provision for the purchase of Esteve and Tresor is within the figures for player trading season 23/24 (they are deemed last seasons purchases not the first signings of this summer). Irrespective of who pays what and when. They won’t fall into player trading for 24/25 as you allude to although you are absolutely correct that outgoings for future instalments will obviously feature in the next couple of years accounts going forward.

The board have clearly stated that should there be a shortfall in player sales they have it covered with finance in place IF required.

Auditors put the same warning on the accounts of most/all football clubs. Player sales can never be a 100% forecastable science hence the standard warning.

Yes the squad needs some trimming.

Absolutely no intention of getting into a financial discussion either, just pointing out the inaccuracy within your post

But you haven't pointed out inaccuracies - you've just misquoted me or re-iterated what I have said. Read carefully, I will say it again. And then you can address what I have said not what I haven't said.

I said they were not in the last set of published accounts to Y/E July 31 23 but will be in the next set of published accounts to Y/E July 31 24. However, the cash aspects of it, which is what is important to this debate will impact upon the accounts up to the point their contracts are fulfilled, which will likely affect the balance sheet of future accounts.

I clearly said the Directors said 'that should there be a shortfall in player sales they have it covered with finance in place IF required'.

However, the auditors have seen fit to issue this with a material warning. Auditors do not put the same warning on the accounts of most/all football clubs. In fact, they have not put the warning on the accounts of Sheffield United, Luton or Nottingham Forest - the three clubs most likely to be relegated.

But they have put it on Everton's accounts while stating that Everton were unlikely to be relegated.