Newcastle bid £15m for Trafford

[Jamesy]

As an observation with the time consumed on the T word you seem to be doing an exemplary job on the thing you are advising against & not just on this thread alone.

Stop talking in riddles, just say what you really mean.

[Jamesy]

As an observation with the time consumed on the T word you seem to be doing an exemplary job on the thing you are advising against & not just on this thread alone.

And for what it’s worth, I refrained from engaging in debate with them on anything to do with JT two days ago as it’s futile.
Just offering a bit of advice to someone else who is flogging a dead horse trying to reason with them. You got a problem with this?

[Jakubclaret]

And for what it’s worth, I refrained from engaging in debate with them on anything to do with JT two days ago as it’s futile.
Just offering a bit of advice to someone else who is flogging a dead horse trying to reason with them. You got a problem with this?

No but I do find it odd when observing somebody who seemingly seems to forever prattle on about JT whether provoked or unprovoked then encourages somebody else to not get involved in doing the exact same thing you are doing. I'm backing out now because I'm in danger of doing the same thing & diminishing the essence of the point. You probably won't get it you far too immersed. Good evening.

[deanothedino]

The mistakes Muric made against Everton and Brighton are absolute shockers no denying that but I don’t think in any way that makes him erratic.

You’re right it should be a foul but it’s still erratic to come and claim for the ball at that moment.

‘How much does muric pay’ come on let’s not be childish, you don’t have to agree but comments like that are poor

Again. Those mistakes don’t make him erratic. He made those mistakes because he is erratic.

I’m not sure you fully understand what the word means from your posts.

Childish? Not really, just making a point.

[deanothedino]

And for what it’s worth, I refrained from engaging in debate with them on anything to do with JT two days ago as it’s futile.
Just offering a bit of advice to someone else who is flogging a dead horse trying to reason with them. You got a problem with this?

Just like it’s futile debating Muric with his number 1 fan?

[Shaggy]

Anyone who thinks Trafford is better than Muric isn’t worth listening too.

[Robbie_painter]

Anyone who thinks Trafford is better than Muric isn’t worth listening too.

So unless you agree with shaggy your opinion means nothing

[123EasyasBFC]

Again. Those mistakes don’t make him erratic. He made those mistakes because he is erratic.

I’m not sure you fully understand what the word means from your posts.

Childish? Not really, just making a point.

Simply not true, Allison has made countless mistakes in his premier league career and isn’t erratic.

Likewise when a cb passes it straight to an attacker they don’t do it because they are erratic players.

Your point your comment about how much is muric paying me is making is how extremely childish you are

[Carlos the Great]

Muric is clearly a much more talented keeper but I’m open minded and will listen to all observations about Trafford … apart from how good a shot stopper he is

[Newcastleclaret93]

Muric is clearly a much more talented keeper but I’m open minded and will listen to all observations about Trafford … apart from how good a shot stopper he is

Genuine question, if Muric “is clearly a much more talented keeper”

Why has no premier league club shown interest? Yet Trafford has at least two top premier league teams after him?

[Colburn_Claret]

Genuine question, if Muric “is clearly a much more talented keeper”

Why has no premier league club shown interest? Yet Trafford has at least two top premier league teams after him?

Nationality

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nationality

You’re going to have to explain that one?

[Colburn_Claret]

English players, especially goalkeepers, are a premium, when it comes to UEFA rules regarding home grown talent.
It's why talent is so much cheaper abroad.

[Swizzlestick]

English players, especially goalkeepers, are a premium, when it comes to UEFA rules regarding home grown talent.
It's why talent is so much cheaper abroad.

Muric is also classed as homegrown. Though there are other factors that can mean English players attract a premium - there’s an interesting discussion about it on page 7.

[123EasyasBFC]

Genuine question, if Muric “is clearly a much more talented keeper”

Why has no premier league club shown interest? Yet Trafford has at least two top premier league teams after him?

Wolves linked with muric so again you are wrong.

Newcastle and Chelsea are after Trafford because he’s English it’s pretty simple

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wolves linked with muric so again you are wrong.

Newcastle and Chelsea are after Trafford because he’s English it’s pretty simple

That is pure nonsense

Neither club are close to there homegrown quota so why would they be after him?

[123EasyasBFC]

That is pure nonsense

Neither club are close to there homegrown quota so why would they be after him?

What’s pure nonsense, the fact you are factually wrong because wolves are interested in muric.

Do you live under a rock, Chelsea want to sell most of their home grown players to comply with FFP.

Just because clubs have enough home grown players now doesn’t mean they always will have.

Take Newcastle for example, pope, trippier, lascelles amd targett won’t be at the club much longer, so having a backup keeper who’s English for home grown rules makes total sense.

Man united have done it for years with Lee grant and Tom Heaton

[CoolClaret]

I think using Chelsea as some sort of barometer for smart player signings in 2024 is very silly in all honesty.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What’s pure nonsense, the fact you are factually wrong because wolves are interested in muric.

Do you live under a rock, Chelsea want to sell most of their home grown players to comply with FFP.

Just because clubs have enough home grown players now doesn’t mean they always will have.

Take Newcastle for example, pope, trippier, lascelles amd targett won’t be at the club much longer, so having a backup keeper who’s English for home grown rules makes total sense.

Man united have done it for years with Lee grant and Tom Heaton

If they just wanted a back up keeper that was homegrown why don’t they go for someone that is going to cost pennys? Like a Lee Grant or a Tom Heaton??

Why would they spend a top ten fee in history for a back up keeper?

You’re talking absolute nonsense. There’s no way in hell clubs like Newcastle and Chelsea who are both up against it FFP wise will spend a fee that high on a back up keeper.

[NL Claret]

This scenario has just crossed my mind.

Trafford gets sold to Newcastle.

New manager comes in, doesn’t fancy Muric as no.1 so puts him on the bench and brings in a better keeper.

How would some posters react?

Turn on the manager before a ball is kicked?

Make things up about the new GK, over scrutinise his performances and take every opportunity to call him out?

[123EasyasBFC]

If they just wanted a back up keeper that was homegrown why don’t they go for someone that is going to cost pennys? Like a Lee Grant or a Tom Heaton??

Why would they spend a top ten fee in history for a back up keeper?

You’re talking absolute nonsense. There’s no way in hell clubs like Newcastle and Chelsea who are both up against it FFP wise will spend a fee that high on a back up keeper.

Again you are ignoring the fact you are completely wrong about no premier league club being interested in muric.

Remember when you said Gyokeres wouldn’t be worth the money hahaha, and one month claiming jack Clarke wasn’t better than benson or zaroury and a month later saying he wasn’t. Then coming out with complete nonsensical net spend figures and getting called out for it.

The only person talking nonsense on here week in week out is you

I was using grant and heaton as an example.

Newcastle aren’t signing Trafford to be number 1 because he’s absolutely nowhere near Popes level but they know they have an English player who can count for home grown numbers for years to come even as a back up. 15m is about the going rate for a squad player these days in the premier league. Trafford is also Newcastle’s 3rd choice, they originally wanted Ramsdale and the Georgian keeper from velenica, Trafford is plan C

[Newcastleclaret93]

Again you are ignoring the fact you are completely wrong about no premier league club being interested in muric.

Remember when you said Gyokeres wouldn’t be worth the money hahaha, and one month claiming jack Clarke wasn’t better than benson or zaroury and a month later saying he wasn’t. Then coming out with complete nonsensical net spend figures and getting called out for it.

The only person talking nonsense on here week in week out is you

I was using grant and heaton as an example.

Newcastle aren’t signing Trafford to be number 1 because he’s absolutely nowhere near Popes level but they know they have an English player who can count for home grown numbers for years to come even as a back up. 15m is about the going rate for a squad player these days in the premier league. Trafford is also Newcastle’s 3rd choice, they originally wanted Ramsdale and the Georgian keeper from velenica, Trafford is plan C

Trafford won’t go for 15m so again another pointless point.

He will go for above 20m which will put him in the top ten most expensive goalkeepers of all time.

But yes off course Newcastle are signing him as a back up

[123EasyasBFC]

This scenario has just crossed my mind.

Trafford gets sold to Newcastle.

New manager comes in, doesn’t fancy Muric as no.1 so puts him on the bench and brings in a better keeper.

How would some posters react?

Turn on the manager before a ball is kicked?

Make things up about the new GK, over scrutinise his performances and take every opportunity to call him out?

Who turned on Trafford before a ball was kicked? The criticism started when it was clear he wasn’t up to the level

Wouldn’t performances determine who the better keeper is, rightly so fans didn’t understand why muric had been dropped for a league one keeper and performances showed.

So if a new manager came in, signed a keeper instantly replaced Muric and their performances weren’t good then obviously the manager and new keeper would be scrutinised

[123EasyasBFC]

Trafford won’t go for 15m so again another pointless point.

He will go for above 20m which will put him in the top ten most expensive goalkeepers of all time.

But yes off course Newcastle are signing him as a back up

Ignoring it again because you are wrong.

It will be 15m with add ons.

You can’t seriously think they are signing Trafford to be number one over Pope

[123EasyasBFC]

Trafford won’t go for 15m so again another pointless point.

He will go for above 20m which will put him in the top ten most expensive goalkeepers of all time.

But yes off course Newcastle are signing him as a back up

10th most expensive keeper is ramsdale to arsenal for 25m so again you are completely wrong, he will be nowhere near that

[123EasyasBFC]

For all fhe stick certain individuals on here with a northeast reference in their name have given Amdouni this season, it’s very rich that they are so quick to defend Trafford

[boyyanno]

This scenario has just crossed my mind.

Trafford gets sold to Newcastle.

New manager comes in, doesn’t fancy Muric as no.1 so puts him on the bench and brings in a better keeper.

How would some posters react?

Turn on the manager before a ball is kicked?

Make things up about the new GK, over scrutinise his performances and take every opportunity to call him out?

That's absolute nonsense.

If we sign a better player and play them then the fans will be happy.

Sign a worse one and play him instead and fans would be rightly unhappy.

[NL Claret]

Who turned on Trafford before a ball was kicked?

Definition of a scenario - a description of possible events or actions in the future. Possible and future are the key words in the definition.

[NL Claret]

That's absolute nonsense.

If we sign a better player and play them then the fans will be happy.

Sign a worse one and play him instead and fans would be rightly unhappy.

It was a scenario, I didn’t say that it will happen or happened in the past although I’m not going to rule it out. If we sign a “worse one” no doubt there will be whole season long debate again about Muric is the best keeper and it was his shirt to lose whilst the “worse one” gets regularly called out by the Muric fan club.

[boyyanno]

It was a scenario, I didn’t say that it will happen or happened in the past although I’m not going to rule it out. If we sign a “worse one” no doubt there will be whole season long debate again about Muric is the best keeper and it was his shirt to lose whilst the “worse one” gets regularly called out by the Muric fan club.

Again- nonsense.

If you honestly believe that people don't want us to play our best 11 then you've lost your mind.

There's a few extremists that love Muric, as there are some that love Trafford, Amdouni, Kompany etc. What you're saying is just silly.

[NL Claret]

Again- nonsense.

If you honestly believe that people don't want us to play our best 11 then you've lost your mind.

There's a few extremists that love Muric, as there are some that love Trafford, Amdouni, Kompany etc. What you're saying is just silly.

It was a scenario, some posters can’t get their head around scenarios at all. Anything can happen. Wow, lost my mind Love UTC posters.

[boyyanno]

It was a scenario, some posters can’t get their head around scenarios at all. Anything can happen. Wow, lost my mind Love UTC posters.

You've made up a scenario to post nonsense so yes I think you've lost your mind.

There's no way in a scenario where we sign a new keeper fans will be dissenting if he's better than Muric and plays- that's the scenario you've given.

Fans want to see the best 11 on the pitch- it's that simple.

[Quickenthetempo]

It was a scenario, I didn’t say that it will happen or happened in the past although I’m not going to rule it out. If we sign a “worse one” no doubt there will be whole season long debate again about Muric is the best keeper and it was his shirt to lose whilst the “worse one” gets regularly called out by the Muric fan club.

It won't happen again, the manager/keeper will get stick within a month if they're not good enough.

All the patience ran out with the last duo.

[NL Claret]

You've made up a scenario to post nonsense so yes I think you've lost your mind.

There's no way in a scenario where we sign a new keeper fans will be dissenting if he's better than Muric and plays- that's the scenario you've given.

Fans want to see the best 11 on the pitch- it's that simple.

Scenarios are generally made up, in fact what am I saying, scenarios are made up. It could still happen, mark my words.

Lost my mind or have an open mind or read so much nonsense posted by a few on UTC? It’s not the first one, I can’t be convinced that I’ve lost my mind. Anyway, bored of this now, time to rest my mind that I have not lost and watch the 2nd half.

[golden days]

Who turned on Trafford before a ball was kicked? The criticism started when it was clear he wasn’t up to the level

On matchdayday thread for city game?
After one of the friendlies?
It was certainly very early on, but he wasn't the only one our "fans" went after

[123EasyasBFC]

On matchdayday thread for city game?
After one of the friendlies?
It was certainly very early on, but he wasn't the only one our "fans" went after

On the city thread and After the friendlies isn’t before is ball is kicked is it though.

After muric has an excellent game against benfica in the friendly and Trafford then gets chipped from half way line against real betis, I think fans well in their right to think muric deserved to start the first game

[123EasyasBFC]

On matchdayday thread for city game?
After one of the friendlies?
It was certainly very early on, but he wasn't the only one our "fans" went after

Your right certain ‘fans’ on here who are right on the defensive about Trafford have been very critical of Amdouni, O’Shea, Tresor and even Vitinho

[123EasyasBFC]

Definition of a scenario - a description of possible events or actions in the future. Possible and future are the key words in the definition.

So you are making up a scenario of fans turning on a player before a ball has been kicked without any history of that happening previous

[NL Claret]

So you are making up a scenario of fans turning on a player before a ball has been kicked without any history of that happening previous

Scenarios are made up yes. I’m surprised how over excited a couple of posters have got with my made up scenario. Some are so precious when it comes to Muric.

Anything is possible, Weghorst won a cup with Manchester United, who’d have thought that.

It’s good to be open minded.

[123EasyasBFC]

Scenarios are made up yes. I’m surprised how over excited a couple of posters have got with my made up scenario. Some are so precious when it comes to Muric.

Anything is possible, Weghorst won a cup with Manchester United, who’d have thought that.

It’s good to be open minded.

What’s the scenario got to do with muric? You didn’t mention muric or are you now trying to base your scenario on the Trafford and Muric debate?

[NL Claret]

What’s the scenario got to do with muric? You didn’t mention muric or are you now trying to base your scenario on the Trafford and Muric debate?

You didn’t mention Muric? See part of scenario below…….I will leave it there.


New manager comes in, doesn’t fancy Muric as no.1 so puts him on the bench and brings in a better keeper.

[123EasyasBFC]

You didn’t mention Muric? See part of scenario below…….I will leave it there.


New manager comes in, doesn’t fancy Muric as no.1 so puts him on the bench and brings in a better keeper.

So you did mention muric so how is it it a made up scenario you are trying to base the scenario on the muric Trafford situation so posters are rightly calling you out for the nonsense

[NL Claret]

So you did mention muric so how is it it a made up scenario you are trying to base the scenario on the muric Trafford situation so posters are rightly calling you out for the nonsense

I didn't realise how difficult this was going to be.

Correct I did mention Muric.

The scenario includes a new manager, the Muric Trafford situation did not include turning on a new manager.

When you say posters, it sounds like a lot of posters are calling me out. That's misinformation, had you said one poster has called it out then that would be accurate. I suppose changing facts and using misinformation makes arguments stronger.

[deanothedino]

Simply not true, Allison has made countless mistakes in his premier league career and isn’t erratic.

Likewise when a cb passes it straight to an attacker they don’t do it because they are erratic players.

Your point your comment about how much is muric paying me is making is how extremely childish you are

You’re not getting it. Making mistakes isn’t why he is erratic. I’m not saying every keeper who has made mistakes is erratic. I’m saying Muric is erratic.

Yes, I’m the childish one. Bet you’re fun at parties if you can’t even take such a small joke.

[fatboy47]

Jesus wept.

[Rileybobs]

Newcastle and Chelsea are after Trafford because he’s English it’s pretty simple

This is one of the most deluded things I’ve read on here.

[123EasyasBFC]

This is one of the most deluded things I’ve read on here.

It’s pretty simple, if he wasn’t English they would be nowhere near trying to sign him

Starting to think you and Newcastle are the same person

[Rileybobs]

It’s pretty simple, if he wasn’t English they would be nowhere near trying to sign him

Starting to think you and Newcastle are the same person

You seriously think Chelsea and Newcastle want to sign Trafford because he’s English? That’s deluded.

[Goliath]

You seriously think Chelsea and Newcastle want to sign Trafford because he’s English? That’s deluded.

He's English, very young and already has Premier league experience. He ticks every box that the top clubs look for. He's also relatively cheap because he's had a bad season so it's fairly low risk for a big club.
It doesn't suddenly mean he's a top keeper, they are clearly taking a risk hoping he reaches the potential that City and England both think he has, I don't see it personally but we will wait and see.

[123EasyasBFC]

You seriously think Chelsea and Newcastle want to sign Trafford because he’s English? That’s deluded.

Nobody has ever tried to deny that Trafford has what it takes to be a good keeper but Chelsea and Newcastle wouldn’t be signing Trafford after the season he’s had if he was from Austria, they are doing it because he’s English, I don’t know why that’s hard for people to grasp.

City did it years ago with Jack rodwell, he had a average season with Everton but they signed him because he was English

The argument being made that Chelsea have enough home grown players, it’s all their home grown players being linked with moves away, likes of chalobah, cowill and Gallagher