Next manager

[123EasyasBFC]

Conflicting reports about how close a deal is, but two separate reports claiming that RVN is part of the conversation.

The question now isn't so much about whether he's in the running, but who has something to gain from sharing it with the media and why.

If the board see the fan excitement from the leak this morning they might decide they have found their man

[ArmchairDetective]

If the board see the fan excitement from the leak this morning they might decide they have found their man

One possibility.

Another is that RVN had multiple options but has just lost out on one of them (Leicester) and wants to play the field.

[elwaclaret]

Here’s to hoping Burnley express are behind the curve and the club not giving any info

I think we can assume the days when the Burnley Express and Lancs Telegraph had scoops or the inside track on all things Burnley are long gone…

[martin_p]

A true master stroke from Dyche. Similar to putting long balls over opposing defenders heads (particularly fullbacks) and asking us to play in their half…

For what it’s worth I think Dyche is exceptional in his defensive coaching and it’s not as easy to get a side well drilled for 90+ minutes each week to shut teams out as some posters have suggested, but he’s not as talented in giving his team the freedom to be creative. The football under Kompany last year (when the players got to grips with it) was phenomenal and stuff only Dyche can dream of.

Maybe I should try sitting in Row Z because from where I was sat we looked awful in defence with little goal threat going forward.

[Dark Cloud]

You should always be ready for this eventuality and have targets in place ready to move. We shouldn’t be taking time, we should have been prepared.

I really do like Alan and I feel overall he's very shrewd and works very hard for the club and of course his own business interests. I think since he's arrived he's invested himself, his time, his family and of course a good deal of money into the club, but I do feel he's been caught out with this conundrum. I don't think in a million years he thought VK would be getting job offers after the horrendous season we'd just had, let alone an offer from one of the biggest clubs in Europe and I think this is causing us difficulties. I've no problem with him and the board taking their time over this in order to give themselves a better chance of getting it right, but there will come a point where time starts to get short and it gets critical if we're not careful.

[Steddyman]

I think we can assume the days when the Burnley Express and Lancs Telegraph had scoops or the inside track on all things Burnley are long gone…

Nixon also reporting similar:

'He’s become a possible … but a lot of the noise coming from his team …'

[jos]

Talksport news just stated that RVN is being considered for the job at Burnley.

[Steddyman]

Now 2/9 with Sky Bet.

We all know what that means? Yep, more people bet money on him becoming the new manager, nothing more.

[bfcjg]

In fairness to Bellamy when he has been interviewed ( apart from after the Chelsea games where something had obviously happened between him and Kompany) he dies come across well and is very focused on Burnley and improving us.

[bfcjg]

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[ClaretTony]

I really do like Alan and I feel overall he's very shrewd and works very hard for the club and of course his own business interests. I think since he's arrived he's invested himself, his time, his family and of course a good deal of money into the club, but I do feel he's been caught out with this conundrum. I don't think in a million years he thought VK would be getting job offers after the horrendous season we'd just had, let alone an offer from one of the biggest clubs in Europe and I think this is causing us difficulties. I've no problem with him and the board taking their time over this in order to give themselves a better chance of getting it right, but there will come a point where time starts to get short and it gets critical if we're not careful.

Does he have other business interests? Has he invested any money into the club?

[ClaretTony]

In fairness to Bellamy when he has been interviewed ( apart from after the Chelsea games where something had obviously happened between him and Kompany) he dies come across well and is very focused on Burnley and improving us.

He hasn’t spoken often but that interview after Chelsea was very telling regarding his relationship with Kompany.

[Juan Tanamera]

Amazing how many people don’t understand that on here. We’ve had hundreds of posts on the betting odds and they’re totally irrelevant as to the reality of who our next manager will be. Obviously when a new manager is close there will be a leak and the bookies will twig and close their book, until then the odds are completely meaningless.

It amazes me to read on here that people actually put good money on a complete whim.
The bookies must be having a quiet chuckle to themselves every single day.

[It Is What It Is]

Good business getting a reported £10.2 million for VK.
I don't think anyone thought we'd get that much.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

This is a critical appointment because of the nature of our take over. The idea that we should risk the future of the club on the appointment of Bellamy does not match our situation. I have the same rationale behind not wanting Lampard anywhere near the position - he's shite and I don't think he could get us promotion. Promotion is a necessity so I wanted Cooper or Moyes. With Cooper and Moyes being out, we are going to have to take a riskier option though. I'm guessing Potter fancies the England job or waiting for an EPL club. Gut feeling is Corberan presents a lower risk. Van Nistlerooy used to be an awkward character as a player and there are signs that this has continued in his coaching so riskier. Would take either over Bellamy and definitely over Lampard.

[dandeclaret]

Jeff Henrik.

FFS - can you get it right - Henriks

[ClaretTony]

I think we can assume the days when the Burnley Express and Lancs Telegraph had scoops or the inside track on all things Burnley are long gone…

Sadly so. I don’t think the Telegraph have anyone covering us now, the Burnley Express has moved away from how it used to be and Lancs Live came and went very quickly.

[northeastclaret]

This is a critical appointment because of the nature of our take over. The idea that we should risk the future of the club on the appointment of Bellamy does not match our situation. I have the same rationale behind not wanting Lampard anywhere near the position - he's shite and I don't think he could get us promotion. Promotion is a necessity so I wanted Cooper or Moyes. With Cooper and Moyes being out, we are going to have to take a riskier option though. I'm guessing Potter fancies the England job or waiting for an EPL club. Gut feeling is Corberan presents a lower risk. Van Nistlerooy used to be an awkward character as a player and there are signs that this has continued in his coaching so riskier. Would take either over Bellamy and definitely over Lampard.

Totally agree with everything you have said and also think Corberan is the lower risk because of what he has achieved at Championship level. With RVN you get the name but being Dutch you will also get someone who is outspoken and can come over as abrasive and arrogant, but they speak their minds, which obviously can be good.

Together being an elite player with the lack of empathy that can bring when managing lesser players, I am not as excited as some with RVN and strongly prefer Corberan and even Robins over RVN.

Saying that every appointment is a risk and RVN maybe brilliant for us , over to you Alan

[CrosspoolClarets]

I think the Dutch playing mentality would suit our squad very well, so would be tentatively hopeful with RVN.

My worry about a Galactico is whether the VK experience is typical of the elite former player. I wasn’t disappointed VK left, I was disappointed that it became clear he wasn’t the man I thought he was, and certainly wasn’t as clever as he himself thought he was. Hopefully Pace and co are screening for that this time.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I think the Dutch playing mentality would suit our squad very well, so would be tentatively hopeful with RVN.

My worry about a Galactico is whether the VK experience is typical of the elite former player. I wasn’t disappointed VK left, I was disappointed that it became clear he wasn’t the man I thought he was, and certainly wasn’t as clever as he himself thought he was. Hopefully Pace and co are screening for that this time.

There's the odd Guardiola among the Waddles

[burnley007]

There's the odd Guardiola among the Waddles

And Cloughie. Great player, greatest manager.

[ClaretTony]

And Cloughie. Great player, greatest manager.

Clough spent much of his playing career in the second division. He had a phenomenal goal scoring record at that level though.

[billyhamilton82]

This is a critical appointment because of the nature of our take over. The idea that we should risk the future of the club on the appointment of Bellamy does not match our situation. I have the same rationale behind not wanting Lampard anywhere near the position - he's shite and I don't think he could get us promotion. Promotion is a necessity so I wanted Cooper or Moyes. With Cooper and Moyes being out, we are going to have to take a riskier option though. I'm guessing Potter fancies the England job or waiting for an EPL club. Gut feeling is Corberan presents a lower risk. Van Nistlerooy used to be an awkward character as a player and there are signs that this has continued in his coaching so riskier. Would take either over Bellamy and definitely over Lampard.

£10.2 million for VK

Manager: RVN (No compensation)
Assistant: Henrik Jensen (Compensation)
First Team Coaches: Jackson & *Bellamy (No compensation)

*If Bellamy is willing to stay on in that role.

IMO this would be a dream outcome, especially after the season we have just endured under VK.

[quoonbeatz]

Alex Ferguson, of course, only ever played non-league football.

[Dark Cloud]

Does he have other business interests? Has he invested any money into the club?

By "business interests" I was referring to the club as in I believe he's extremely committed, but then again it is in his financial interests to be extremely committed because from ALKs point of view the project has to grow and succeed.
I do understand he almost certainly hasn't personally put his cash into the club, but he's part of the group who have and yes I know it's been debated (argued) on here ad infinitum as to how much of their own money has gone into us and is "on the line" with us and like many others I have no idea of the truth, but they did back Kompany last summer with something like 90-100 million quid which showed a lot of faith (no pun) and commitment on their part and unfortunately VK blew it.

[CrosspoolClarets]

There's the odd Guardiola among the Waddles

Indeed. But they are like orchids in a meadow, few and far between.

I’m coming to the realisation that something in the mentality of an elite player stops most of them being elite managers, something to do with how they make decisions, how single minded they are, how stubborn and how selfish. How narcissistic. I can see it being easy for the love players initially have for their legend of a manager to wear off, put it that way.

[FCBurnley]

I really do like Alan and I feel overall he's very shrewd and works very hard for the club and of course his own business interests. I think since he's arrived he's invested himself, his time, his family and of course a good deal of money into the club, but I do feel he's been caught out with this conundrum. I don't think in a million years he thought VK would be getting job offers after the horrendous season we'd just had, let alone an offer from one of the biggest clubs in Europe and I think this is causing us difficulties. I've no problem with him and the board taking their time over this in order to give themselves a better chance of getting it right, but there will come a point where time starts to get short and it gets critical if we're not careful.

How much money has Alan Pace actually invested ?

[jlup1980]

Totally agree with everything you have said and also think Corberan is the lower risk because of what he has achieved at Championship level. With RVN you get the name but being Dutch you will also get someone who is outspoken and can come over as abrasive and arrogant, but they speak their minds, which obviously can be good.

Together being an elite player with the lack of empathy that can bring when managing lesser players, I am not as excited as some with RVN and strongly prefer Corberan and even Robins over RVN.

Saying that every appointment is a risk and RVN maybe brilliant for us , over to you Alan

I don't get any excitement from the prospect of Mark Robins. He's managed over 700 games and he majority have been at a low level. He's had relative success at Coventry, but they were a club underachieving massively when he arrived. There's no doubt he's doing well at Coventry but I don't see him as anything other than a steady eddy. He's never managed a club at this level with the ambition and expectation to not only get promoted, but to win the league.

Corberan has found his feet at West Brom. His win ratio is impressive (46%) so I can certainly see the appeal of him.

RVN is a risk but his record at PSV was impressive. 33 wins from 51 games shouldn't be sniffed at. He'd no doubt be a bigger pull for players than the other two as well.

[RVclaret]

Andy Jones says RVN talks held and getting closer to final decision (obv). And Lampard looking very unlikely.

[billyhamilton82]

How much money has Alan Pace actually invested ?

It's a leveraged buy out so it depends on the rates at the time of purchase.

I don't think anyone apart from his broker will be privvy to that information and IMO quite rightly as it doesn't make a jot of difference.

[HahaYeah]

BBC:

Reports in the Netherlands say 47-year-old Van Nistelrooy is close to agreeing a multi-year deal but an announcement over the club's decision is not expected this week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 22dze7651o

[NewClaret]

I really do like Alan and I feel overall he's very shrewd and works very hard for the club and of course his own business interests. I think since he's arrived he's invested himself, his time, his family and of course a good deal of money into the club, but I do feel he's been caught out with this conundrum. I don't think in a million years he thought VK would be getting job offers after the horrendous season we'd just had, let alone an offer from one of the biggest clubs in Europe and I think this is causing us difficulties. I've no problem with him and the board taking their time over this in order to give themselves a better chance of getting it right, but there will come a point where time starts to get short and it gets critical if we're not careful.

Agree on all.

I would add that I do not like the idea of the club every having shortlists of managers they are monitoring and certainly not background conversations with. Things like that get out and destabilise.

If we have a manager we should be committed to them until the point we’re not. Then if it’s our decision, I can understand some preliminary shortlisting/conversations prior to a sacking but in this case they were caught by an unexpected scenario.

They’ve done well to secure an excellent fee, draw a shortlist up and interview quickly. I far prefer it to take some time and they come to the right decision than rush and come to the wrong one.

They’ve acted highly professionally in this so far in my view and that should be praised.

[Dark Cloud]

How much money has Alan Pace actually invested ?

As I've stated, I don't believe he's actually, personally invested any. I know he's part of the "group" which bought the club, but again as I've stated, the amount of money they have actually invested is the subject of much speculation. Having said that, I do think as chairman of the club and the "face" of the group Alan had shown genuine commitment, even though he certainly doesn't get everything right, but again as I said that commitment will certainly be driven and underpinned by the group needing to grow their investment.

[Andingle]

Kenny Dalglish , Roberto Mancini , Arteta , Alonso , Antonio Conte , Fabio Capello , Ancelotte , Simeone , Johan Crueyff
A few top players who progressed to become good coaches/managers.

[Row Z]

Any Premier League manager could get their team playing like Kompany had us play last season. And it would result in relegation for 14 teams out of the 20, which is why they don't bother. Aye, Dyche could only dream of it.

I fully agree, this season has been pathetic and more about Kompany sticking to his selfish principles.

I’m meaning last season (our Championship season), when the football was the best we’ve seen.

[Hipper]

I don't see how you can fully prepare for a managerial departure of which you have no control. You can of course make a note of managers that catch your eye but you can't do anything about it and nor should you until you know you require one. If VK had stayed for ten years you would be wasting your time.

The blessing for us is that it happened at the beginning of the close season and not at the end as happened at Huddersfield last year and of course could happen to the employers of the new manager we bring in.

[Row Z]

Phenomenal?

I think you have gone way over the top with this adjective. There was no phenomenal football served up last season under Kompany.
I and a thousand or so others were at Stamford Bridge for our voted for best away day of the season. The football that day was exciting and the players were all up for the challenge. No way was it phenomenal.

Championship season I was referring to - this season has been dreadful and as many have said, has been more about Kompany’s ego than anything.

[Row Z]

Maybe I should try sitting in Row Z because from where I was sat we looked awful in defence with little goal threat going forward.

I’m not disputing that this season..

The post I replied to was that Dyche ‘tactically outdid’ VK this season by pressing Muric. I thought we looked ok first half this season at Everton.

Dyche did however very much outdo VK at the Turf where we had no answer to their back 3.

[NewClaret]

Phenomenal?

I think you have gone way over the top with this adjective. There was no phenomenal football served up last season under Kompany.
I and a thousand or so others were at Stamford Bridge for our voted for best away day of the season. The football that day was exciting and the players were all up for the challenge. No way was it phenomenal.

I don’t think it’s really necessary to pick up on specific language because I don’t think most of us give too much thought to every adjective we use, but fwiw, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that at times some of the patterns we played were phenomenal in the premier league.

Maybe not to fans of City or Arsenal who are used to that standard, but to ones not used to that kind of football it was phenomenal! There were many games we created 20 odd chances against decent sides, think we dropped about 28 points from leading positions or something incredible. Our issue is we couldn’t defend until O’shea got up to speed and Esteve/Assignon came in and we couldn’t finish for ****. If we took a few of the sitters we created very well every game and defended better (or arguably just started Muric), we’d have stayed up.

I’m all for criticism where it’s due but my view is some of the football was very good and starting to mirror that of the better teams, just the execution in either box not good enough.

[KRBFC]

Dyche finishing 7th is a much better achievement than kompany winning the league with Bayern.

Success is determined by trophies won

Emery finishing 4th is arguably a better achievement than Pep winning the league at City but I know who id rather be. The best managers get the best jobs, don’t worry if you believe in Dyche, he’ll get a top job and win trophies.

[ClaretTony]

I don't see how you can fully prepare for a managerial departure of which you have no control. You can of course make a note of managers that catch your eye but you can't do anything about it and nor should you until you know you require one. If VK had stayed for ten years you would be wasting your time.

The blessing for us is that it happened at the beginning of the close season and not at the end as happened at Huddersfield last year and of course could happen to the employers of the new manager we bring in.

But you prepare and you have to have a set of targets. It’s not wasting time, it has to be as just the same as player lists.

[Quicknick]

I don’t think it’s really necessary to pick up on specific language because I don’t think most of us give too much thought to every adjective we use, but fwiw, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that at times some of the patterns we played were phenomenal in the premier league.

Maybe not to fans of City or Arsenal who are used to that standard, but to ones not used to that kind of football it was phenomenal! There were many games we created 20 odd chances against decent sides, think we dropped about 28 points from leading positions or something incredible. Our issue is we couldn’t defend until O’shea got up to speed and Esteve/Assignon came in and we couldn’t finish for ****. If we took a few of the sitters we created very well every game and defended better (or arguably just started Muric), we’d have stayed up.

I’m all for criticism where it’s due but my view is some of the football was very good and starting to mirror that of the better teams, just the execution in either box not good enough.

How can football be good if the execution in both boxes is poor.

[warksclaret]

Having followed this post since the Burnley manager vacancy took place, it has been interesting to read and sense perceptions from our readers about the prospect names that have featured. A number have really divided opinions, however when Nistelroy has been mentioned I sense a very positive under current-the same as when Kompany's name was being banded 2 years ago. Now that Cooper, Moyes, and Potter are ruled out, I personally feel this one would tick the boxes-managed at a good level, has a reputation of working with young players, and provides the "name" for Pace to promote our brand globally, and to attract new players to our club. Fingers crossed

[Lubanski]

By "business interests" I was referring to the club as in I believe he's extremely committed, but then again it is in his financial interests to be extremely committed because from ALKs point of view the project has to grow and succeed.
I do understand he almost certainly hasn't personally put his cash into the club, but he's part of the group who have and yes I know it's been debated (argued) on here ad infinitum as to how much of their own money has gone into us and is "on the line" with us and like many others I have no idea of the truth, but they did back Kompany last summer with something like 90-100 million quid which showed a lot of faith (no pun) and commitment on their part and unfortunately VK blew it.

. He's certainly put a lot of time into Burnley and in business time equals money quite often, he could have done other things. I agree, along with his family he does seem committed.

[ClaretTony]

. He's certainly put a lot of time into Burnley and in business time equals money quite often, he could have done other things. I agree, along with his family he does seem committed.

It’s his job so I would hope he does put a lot of time in.

[ClaretTony]

I don’t think it’s really necessary to pick up on specific language because I don’t think most of us give too much thought to every adjective we use, but fwiw, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that at times some of the patterns we played were phenomenal in the premier league.

Maybe not to fans of City or Arsenal who are used to that standard, but to ones not used to that kind of football it was phenomenal! There were many games we created 20 odd chances against decent sides, think we dropped about 28 points from leading positions or something incredible. Our issue is we couldn’t defend until O’shea got up to speed and Esteve/Assignon came in and we couldn’t finish for ****. If we took a few of the sitters we created very well every game and defended better (or arguably just started Muric), we’d have stayed up.

I’m all for criticism where it’s due but my view is some of the football was very good and starting to mirror that of the better teams, just the execution in either box not good enough.

That’s a hell of a long post to say we were the second worst team in the league

[Vegas Claret]

Having followed this post since the Burnley manager vacancy took place, it has been interesting to read and sense perceptions from our readers about the prospect names that have featured. A number have really divided opinions, however when Nistelroy has been mentioned I sense a very positive under current-the same as when Kompany's name was being banded 2 years ago. Now that Cooper, Moyes, and Potter are ruled out, I personally feel this one would tick the boxes-managed at a good level, has a reputation of working with young players, and provides the "name" for Pace to promote our brand globally, and to attract new players to our club. Fingers crossed

I suspect RVN would bring a huge amount of positivity back to the fan base and that would have a huge galvanising effect on the team.

[NottsClaret]

I don’t think it’s really necessary to pick up on specific language because I don’t think most of us give too much thought to every adjective we use, but fwiw, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that at times some of the patterns we played were phenomenal in the premier league.

Maybe not to fans of City or Arsenal who are used to that standard, but to ones not used to that kind of football it was phenomenal! There were many games we created 20 odd chances against decent sides, think we dropped about 28 points from leading positions or something incredible. Our issue is we couldn’t defend until O’shea got up to speed and Esteve/Assignon came in and we couldn’t finish for ****. If we took a few of the sitters we created very well every game and defended better (or arguably just started Muric), we’d have stayed up.

I’m all for criticism where it’s due but my view is some of the football was very good and starting to mirror that of the better teams, just the execution in either box not good enough.

All about opinions, and good to hear different views on it, genuinely.

Personally, I thought we were sh**e.

[burnley007]

Having followed this post since the Burnley manager vacancy took place, it has been interesting to read and sense perceptions from our readers about the prospect names that have featured. A number have really divided opinions, however when Nistelroy has been mentioned I sense a very positive under current-the same as when Kompany's name was being banded 2 years ago. Now that Cooper, Moyes, and Potter are ruled out, I personally feel this one would tick the boxes-managed at a good level, has a reputation of working with young players, and provides the "name" for Pace to promote our brand globally, and to attract new players to our club. Fingers crossed

I think that's a fair assessment tbh. RVN seems to be a positive name to most fans.
Let's hope it is him and he's on board ASAP.

[Boss Hogg]

I’d agree with Nottsclaret’s last comment about our football last season. Apalling dreadful naive inneffective football that was rinsed and repeated every match. Put me off going to watch some matches. Looking forward to something different.